Current Events > Philando Castile Dash cam is out.

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Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...

Whydidn't the cop ask him to get out of the car and disarm during the stop?

Noooo it's too scary to draw on someone and not instantly fire. I'm sure Castile would have Western style instantly shot him, so better safe than sorry, especially when there's no such thing as accountability for cops lol
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Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...

Whydidn't the cop ask him to get out of the car and disarm during the stop?

Apparently Castillo was supposed to suggest to the officer they should do that and since he didn't he is at fault...can;'t blame the cop for not thinking to do that since being a cop is hard, man!

It's valid to say that he shouldn't have kept reaching for the ID. But the cop should be trained to deescalate. This guy was trying to comply, was probably a little nervous and couldn't react instantaneously, and at the same time is trying to process what the cop is telling him. Ordering him to get the ID and then to NOT reach for the ID is going to confuse someone for a split second. Tell him what to do like stop moving or put your hands on the wheel, not what not to do (since the latter contradicts the previous order to get the ID).

100 percent on the cop.
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Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...

Whydidn't the cop ask him to get out of the car and disarm during the stop?

because a LOT of cops are fuckin morons
many many many many cops in smaller departments struggle with even the most basic of aptitude tests and would be laughed out the building if they applied to any big city departments (and the ones in those aren't much better)
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Wheres the nra on this oh thats right he was black racist assholes
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the cop clearly had time to say not to reach for it twice.

that's plenty of time for the guy to stop reaching

Trayvon posted...

the cop clearly had time to say not to reach for it twice.

that's plenty of time for the guy to stop reaching

He asked him for id cant have it both ways people
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yemmy posted...

did you not understand when the man said "don't reach for it, don't pull it out"?

There was like a split second between the officer yelling that and him suddenly going Rambo on the guy. There is no fucking way you can honestly defend it as fearing for his life...someone isn't going to tell you "I have a gun, I'm licensed to carry" if they plan on just shooting you like that.
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I'll never understand why people keep their wallet in their back pockets. Stupid place to keep em.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVnKxdMzEXM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM3bJO7A3fo
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GregShmedley posted...

Here, I'll take the fucking moderation for this because anyone doubting needs to give this a good look.


***graphic***

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1ac7Zblqyk




You listen and watch and consider EVERY circumstance such as his own daughter being in the back seat and tell me the cop was justified.

What the fucking hell

That was fucking murder.
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ROFL, cop apologists out in full force.
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Fony posted...


First vid was fucked up. The cop was wrong.

Second vid, the dude was being an asshole for the sake of being an asshole. Maybe she was wrong, but you shouldn't have to act like a little bitch over it.
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It's not "wrong" on any level to say what he said, lol. She has no business being a cop.
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Fony posted...

It's not "wrong" on any level to say what he said, lol. She has no business being a cop.

So why be an asshole and escalate an encounter? He was trying to get a rise out of her. Take your damn ticket and drive away while giving her the middle finger like most people do.
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Contrary to popular belief, most people cops interact with and especially write up for something are "assholes". Anyway, the cop's misconduct came before he started talking so idk what you silly ass is so uptight about.
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B8ter posted...

ROFL, cop apologists out in full force.

Well of course. People like them on the jury are the reason he got off

Fony posted...

Contrary to popular belief, most people cops interact with and especially write up for something are "assholes". Anyway, the cop's misconduct came before he started talking so idk what you silly ass is so uptight about.

The fact you posted the video attempting to prove a point about how the cop was in the wrong, but all it was was a angry black man ranting and raving over a $10 ticket that he could've prevented by having his insurance license and registration out before the top initially approached the vehicle. He was a dumb piece of shit.
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this guy died because he had a brake light out. Keep that in mind people

Anyway, I think this definitely could have been avoided(shoulda had him get out of the car) but I can also see why the cop would have been afraid. There wasn't much time for him to react between Castile telling him he had a gun and him starting to reach for his wallet. If a cop tells you to stop reaching you stop reaching for anything. I had a cop pull me over once and she told me I shouldn't even get my registration out until they get to my car so they can see what I reach for. And the people saying this was murder or the cop wanted to kill him, stop shitposting, you can tell from his reaction how much it fucked him up.

He probably seemed more sympathetic in the trial
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cjsdowg posted...

He didn't have to the tell the cop he was armed

You mean besides all those laws that exist that say you do right?
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It's easy to forget your training when the adrenaline kicks in, that's why good shooters train so often and responsible firearm carriers should review how they plan to handle this kind of encounter every once in a while.

That said, this shoot didn't look clean to me at all. The cop seemed totally mentally unprepared to handle the stress of that situation. He fumbles his draw, his backstop is awful, he puts everybody else in the car and his partner in danger with his rounds, and then he has a meltdown in the aftermath. The other cops should have disarmed him when they arrived because he was a danger to everyone at that point.

I don't see murder either but manslaughter doesn't seem out of the question (not sure if he was charged with anything or just investigated). Glad he got fired though, this dude was not fit for the job.

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I'm trying to imagine a scenario where I'm so convinced a person I pull over is about to try and murder me that I'm that trigger happy.

...and everything I think of didn't happen here other than the actual presence of a gun. Here's what it had instead.

- sound calming voice
- general cooperation
- child and other family present
- statement of firearm
- other officer present
- daylight and heavily populated area
- nothing overtly wrong going on

In what state of mind are you to think there's a slightly more than minuscule chance this person is going to shoot you?

I admit I'm not a cop and don't know what that's like. Nor can we see what's happening in the vehicle... but these are straight forward thoughts based on what we do know.
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CapnMuffin posted...

Is any one else afraid?

That you can be pulled over, cooperate, be killed by a cop, and your family gets no closure.

Terrifying. And I'm white and never carry a gun.

He wasn't cooperating. The cop said don't go for it twice and the dumbass still kept going for it.

AldoMontoya posted...

CapnMuffin posted...

Is any one else afraid?

That you can be pulled over, cooperate, be killed by a cop, and your family gets no closure.

Terrifying. And I'm white and never carry a gun.

He wasn't cooperating. The cop said don't go for it twice and the dumbass still kept going for it.

Oh? So what percent cooperation is the cut off for being killed? Pretty sure he was 90% cooperating. Maybe he thought he could just slowly grab his wallet and get on with the interaction? To the victim reaching in one direction might be slightly different than another? It's difficult for two strangers to communicate with perfect clarity in the span of a few seconds... which is all this officer gave it.
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CapnMuffin posted...

AldoMontoya posted...

CapnMuffin posted...

Is any one else afraid?

That you can be pulled over, cooperate, be killed by a cop, and your family gets no closure.

Terrifying. And I'm white and never carry a gun.

He wasn't cooperating. The cop said don't go for it twice and the dumbass still kept going for it.

Oh? So what percent cooperation is the cut off for being killed? Pretty sure he was 90% cooperating. Maybe he thought he could just slowly grab his wallet and get on with the interaction? To the victim reaching in one direction might be slightly different than another? It's difficult for two strangers to communicate with perfect clarity in the span of a few seconds... which is all this officer gave it.

as soon as a cop says don't reach you stop reaching and show your hands. anything else is 0% cooperating
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The audio of the cop you can hear in his voice he knew he messed up.


I think the jury was tricked not to take in any film as evidence or some stupid attorney trick they do.
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Many of you are leaving out the fact he already handed the officer documentation.

Yes, the officer asked for documentation and then you can see the documentation being handed to the officer. He then discloses he has a firearm.

The officer commanded him three times, and even reached inside the car. The subject would not stop what he was doing. It would have only taken me once to realize I shouldn't keep reaching when an officer is telling me not to, repeatedly. He kept reaching. It's a sad situation, but as an officer you can't take risks when you know someone has a firearm AND they are repeatedly disobeying your commands.

Just because he was "acting calm" or "normal" and seemingly "compliant" at first, does not mean the officer can predict the future outcome. People do absolutely insane things. It doesn't matter who is in the car with them either, you can Google plenty of instances of people putting children's lives in danger and even being in shootouts with police while children are present. The cop cannot just assume things. Only what is happening in the situation.

Furthermore, it appears the two black jurors on the team were not the ones initially holding up the verdict. They sided with the officer.

"He says the last two holdouts eventually agreed on acquittal.
Ploussard wouldn't identify the two holdouts, but said they were not the jury's only two black members."
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It's the cop's fault for not being clear with his instructions, at the most charitable interpretation.

The cop is the one with the training. It is HIS responsibility to say "Do not move at all". Not "don't reach for it".

Because "it" is the gun, and Castille was not reaching for the gun. He was reaching for the wallet that the officer asked for. The officer never told him NOT to reach for his wallet to get his things, and saying that Castille should have ignored the previous order is silly. The onus falls on the police officer to deescalate, not the civilian.

The officer may not have killed him because he was black (or at least only because he was black), but he definitely killed him because he is a really, really, shitty cop. And people blaming the victim are trash that need to get punched in the face.
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Yanez testified in trial that Castile had grabbed the firearm, which makes sense because Yanez put his hand in the car as a last ditch effort to try to get him to quit moving.

"Yanez testified that Castile ignored his orders to stop reaching for his firearm and was in fact gripping his pistol when Yanez shot him out of self-defense."

"“I was able to see the firearm in Mr. Castile’s hand, and that’s when I engaged him,” Yanez told the jury. “I had no other choice. … I didn’t want to shoot Mr. Castile. Those were not my intentions.”
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Remember: It is your responsibility as an untrained citizen to properly and instantaneously manage police interactions. The police are just there to shoot you if you do it wrong.
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AdviceMan posted...

Because "it" is the gun, and Castille was not reaching for the gun. He was reaching for the wallet that the officer asked for. The officer never told him NOT to reach for his wallet to get his things, and saying that Castille should have ignored the previous order is silly. The onus falls on the police officer to deescalate, not the civilian.

Capn Circus posted...

Many of you are leaving out the fact he already handed the officer documentation.

Yes, the officer asked for documentation and then you can see the documentation being handed to the officer. He then discloses he has a firearm.

which one is it ?
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AdviceMan posted...

Because "it" is the gun, and Castille was not reaching for the gun. He was reaching for the wallet that the officer asked for. The officer never told him NOT to reach for his wallet to get his things, and saying that Castille should have ignored the previous order is silly. The onus falls on the police officer to deescalate, not the civilian.

Castille's last words appear to be "I'm not reaching for it". He knew he meant the gun.

The last time a cop pulled me over, he noticed my carry permit in my wallet by my license (I don't live in a state where it is "duty to inform" and my g19 was not on my person, under the passenger seat, so I didn't immediately tell him I was armed), he asked me where the gun was, and I started to point to my passenger seat slowly and he YELLED, "TELL ME DON'T REACH". I stuck my right hand straight up and put it on my ceiling, told him where it was.

I've been pulled over with a pistol on me too, same spot as Castille (4 o'clock) and what I did was have my hands on the steering wheel, told the cop exactly where it was right off the bat and also told him my hands weren't gonna leave the steering wheel unless he otherwise told me too, and he let me keep it on me the whole time. Never disarmed me.

Another time, when I was young, I was riding passenger and I was getting pulled over and could not find my bag of weed to throw out/eat, and was stirring around trying to find it as the cops were approaching the car. I was thrown out of the car on my ass and had a Beretta 90-Two stuck in my face really quickly.

This is in small town (50k people) Alabama, and I'm white.

Cops are nervous, and they make people nervous, but honestly the more I look at it, the more I agree with Colion Noir (I actually know him personally). Second degree manslaughter is a little hard to convict, it sure as fuck wasn't murder (I mean come on you can't see his reaction afterwards and honestly say his intent was to kill a legally armed man). But to get off scott free, I dunno, because he obviously didn't follow protocol.

I think they both fucked up, but really a body cam would be more telling of a story, since we don't know what the cop saw. If he honestly saw the guy reaching back toward a gun and told him no that many times, then he's not 100% at fault. He should have stopped him and told him to grab the steering wheel IMMEDIATELY after he said "I have a firearm", but it really appears he wanted to be "cool" about it, and also it happened so damn quickly (I mean after he said I have a firearm he apparently starting reaching for his wallet).

If Castille would have told the cop that he was armed before he asked for ID, he would not have told him to get it out of his wallet some 6 inches away from his holster. I know he didn't have a duty to inform, but if it is by your wallet you gotta be careful.

Castille had to take a test to get a CCW permit where he had to learn shit like this, in AL I don't. All I have to do is say I'm not a felon and pay 20 bucks and that is it.

So yeah, honestly it is a tragic thing, but it is on both of them in a way, and to call the cop a murder, no that is not true at all. He probably wants to kill himself over that shit, the way he was acting afterwards. He'll always have that on his mind whether he thought it was necessary or not.

I'm not a cop apologist, I've just dealt with cops and guns before, and I know they can be dicks to white people about it. Most don't like ANYONE having guns really.
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Kineth posted...

Reaching for your ID is reason for execution according to mouthbreathers who post on the internet.

pretty much anything is reason for execution :(

even opening the door will do it, gotta be careful around cops for that reason.
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kingdrake2 posted...

Kineth posted...

Reaching for your ID is reason for execution according to mouthbreathers who post on the internet.

pretty much anything is reason for execution :(

even opening the door will do it, gotta be careful around cops for that reason.

opening the door while carrying a knife, you mean
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b-b-but i was told guns make everyone safer!
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s0nicfan posted...

I assume most of the people here have never been pulled over? You don't reach for ANYTHING in your car without explicitly telling the cop what you're getting and where from. If the cop says "can I see your ID" you respond with "Sure, my ID is in <location A>. Can I reach over there now and get it?"

That's just common fucking sense. Doubly so if you have a gun and the cop knows it.

EDIT: I should add, the cop handled it poorly as well, but it's more a lack of training than it is hostile intent.

Uh, buddy, I've been stopped in my day and I never said "My ID is in my wallet." He asks for my ID and I reach into my pocket like literally everyone else does.

The only reason I'd say "My ID is in my wallet" is if a gun is already pointed at me.
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marc55 posted...

AdviceMan posted...

Because "it" is the gun, and Castille was not reaching for the gun. He was reaching for the wallet that the officer asked for. The officer never told him NOT to reach for his wallet to get his things, and saying that Castille should have ignored the previous order is silly. The onus falls on the police officer to deescalate, not the civilian.

Capn Circus posted...

Many of you are leaving out the fact he already handed the officer documentation.

Yes, the officer asked for documentation and then you can see the documentation being handed to the officer. He then discloses he has a firearm.

which one is it ?

Watch the video for yourself.
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It is funny how many people suggest that the Castile do all these things that go above and beyond the law . I mean so know people suggest to not get shot we not old have to the follow the law but do all these things on top of that. And these same people just skip over the fact of the changing story of the police.
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EmeralDragon23 posted...

s0nicfan posted...

I assume most of the people here have never been pulled over? You don't reach for ANYTHING in your car without explicitly telling the cop what you're getting and where from. If the cop says "can I see your ID" you respond with "Sure, my ID is in <location A>. Can I reach over there now and get it?"

That's just common fucking sense. Doubly so if you have a gun and the cop knows it.

EDIT: I should add, the cop handled it poorly as well, but it's more a lack of training than it is hostile intent.

Uh, buddy, I've been stopped in my day and I never said "My ID is in my wallet." He asks for my ID and I reach into my pocket like literally everyone else does.

The only reason I'd say "My ID is in my wallet" is if a gun is already pointed at me.

I always have personally. When they ask for license and registration I always say "My ID and registration is in my wallet. My wallet is in my back left pocket. Are you ok with me reaching back there for it?"

Trying everything in my power not to get shot. Cops should still be aware however that people don't necessarily always go through that level of care and should expect people not to.
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Capn Circus posted...

Watch the video for yourself.

he likely gave them his registration from the dash (looked like a piece of paper, not a card)

so he still had to give him his ID. License AND registration.

I don't know why I argue with people that can't even put 2 and 2 together. A lot of you are either extremely sheltered or just don't think things through (not talking about the person I quoted I'm just saying in general).

cjsdowg posted...

It is funny how many people suggest that the Castile do all these things that go above and beyond the law . I mean so know people suggest to not get shot we not old have to the follow the law but do all these things on top of that. And these same people just skip over the fact of the changing story of the police.

It really isn't about going above and beyond the law. If you say you have a gun and then immediately reach toward the spot where 90% of people I know carry guns (the rest are lefties or carry appendix style), and then keep on reaching after dude tells you to "quit reaching" multiple times, you're either A) extremely nervous/slow/high (which the girlfriend has already said that they were high, which actually makes his CCW permit not valid) or B) just trying to test the cop.

The problem with LEO and black people is that they are both scared shitless of each other. They need more black cops to work the ghetto tbh.

Also, how did the police story change? I haven't really been following this, I'm purely judging this incident by the dashcam and my previous encounters with police while armed.
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Disrespector posted...

b-b-but i was told guns make everyone safer!

they do if people use common sense. in this instance a little common sense on the victim and the cop's behalf would have saved the victim's life.

Honestly if the cop would have been MORE racist and just made them immediately get out of the car (I believe he stopped them because a robbery was in the area?) and searched them it would have had a better outcome.

Again I'm not a cop apologist. The way cops have treated me is less than desirable, and seeing shit like Eric Garner makes me genuinely angry and cops that abuse their power. I really don't think that they guy that shot Castille really had malicious intent. It is pretty apparent from him crying and shit afterwards.
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yemmy posted...

It really isn't about going above and beyond the law. If you say you have a gun and then immediately reach toward the spot where 90% of people I know carry guns (the rest are lefties or carry appendix style), and then keep on reaching after dude tells you to "quit reaching" multiple times, you're either A) extremely nervous/slow/high (which the girlfriend has already said that they were high, which actually makes his CCW permit not valid) or B) just trying to test the cop.

The problem with LEO and black people is that they are both scared s***less of each other. They need more black cops to work the ghetto tbh.

Also, how did the police story change? I haven't really been following this, I'm purely judging this incident by the dashcam and my previous encounters with police while armed.

He said he didn't know where the gun was , then he claimed he knew where it was. Then he claimed that the victims hand was around the gun in his pocket, yet victim was shot in the trigger finger but there was no hole in his pocket these he should have had his hand around his gun when he was shot.
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cjsdowg posted...

He said he didn't know where the gun was , then he claimed he knew where it was. Then he claimed that the victims hand was around the gun in his pocket, yet victim was shot in the trigger finger but there was no hole in his pocket these he should have had his hand around his gun when he was shot.

So where was the gun? In his front pocket? I was under the impression it was at 4 o'clock on his waistband near his back pocket. So was his wallet in his back pocket? And his pistol was in the front? Am I right about that?

He obviously thought the dude was going for a gun or he wouldn't had been scared shitless, if he lied later to try to cover his ass, well then he definitely shoulda faced some jail time.

Cops get away with too much shit, but I find this whole fucking thing bizarre because why the fuck would you think about getting on FB live when you just saw your S/O get shot 6 or 7 times? You'd think she'd be more concerned about the child in the backseat.

Fucked up world really. The thing is, the cop lost his job, is gonna have to live with that the rest of his life, that if he woulda handled that a little better and not been such a pussy he would have not had to end this guy's life. He probably shoulda done some jailtime, it is not beyond a reasonable doubt that he didn't commit 2nd degree manslaughter.
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Literally making up hypotheticals in the face of video evidence while circling around the fact that you think that we're supposed to think that the guy who's dead might be a split second away from executing the cop.

When it's the complete opposite case here.

Amazing how all these mystery hypothetical scenarios on how this guy could have been a threat to society are plentiful when the dude is fucking dead and can't defend himself. Let the corpse fucking rest, you sickos.
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Video was horrible but i have to ask why the guy kept reaching for his ID after telling the cop he's armed and the cop telling him not to reach for it...
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Cookie Bag posted...

Video was horrible but i have to ask why the guy kept reaching for his ID after telling the cop he's armed and the cop telling him not to reach for it...

Because people who get stopped are just as, if not more nervous than the cops are at stops.
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