Current Events > Philando Castile Dash cam is out.

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A lot of the aggravation with cops, in general, would go away if the cops who do wantonly kill suspects would actually get rightly punished for their actions. And in case someone has subjective reading difficulties, I'm not saying that it never happens, but rather that it is not happening enough. If you're gonna hold cops up on a pedestal, enforce them with a higher standard.
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This video doesn't do anything. You can't see what the guy inside was doing. :\
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And on some sites people are going all in defending this .

People wonder why I am so jaded, and this is why. Shit like this, beyond feeling sad for the family. I know that someone in my family can end up like this, hell I could end up like this. And is just sick knowing that people will defend it. About the only time something like this wasn't defend was in the victim was laying on the ground helping mentally ill child.
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For a fucking tail light
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There is no fucking reason to assume imminent danger for a fucking TRAFFIC STOP in a country where CONCEALED CARRY IS LEGAL! There is no more fucking danger to be assumed there then any other goddamn situation.

I assume most of the people here have never been pulled over? You don't reach for ANYTHING in your car without explicitly telling the cop what you're getting and where from. If the cop says "can I see your ID" you respond with "Sure, my ID is in <location A>. Can I reach over there now and get it?"

That's just common fucking sense. Doubly so if you have a gun and the cop knows it.

EDIT: I should add, the cop handled it poorly as well, but it's more a lack of training than it is hostile intent.
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Next, they'll be looking at his past to bring up any criminal dealings to try and beat up a person who can't defend themself. Because he's dead.
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Joeydollaz posted...

Listen cops are trained to Kill if they feel in any way in danger, they have the right to KILL as crazy as that sounds

i dont think it just cops

that was the same reason why people have killed relatives inside their own homes and didnt get convicted


at least the ones ive read about when somebody kills a relative mistaking them with intruders because they thought they were in danger they never get punished by the law either
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_Squirtle_ posted...

seems fair, next tbqh

"get your id"
"ok"
"oh hey btw I have a gun"
"ok stop and don't reach for it"
*continues to reach*

a smart person would be like "well do you still want my id?" instead of just continuing to reach for something after you tell a cop you have a gun and he tells you not to reach

this
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Owning a gun is a right that doesn't get revoked just because a cop is nearby.

in a traffic stop, you need to tell the officer if you are carrying and have a permit.

it's actually the first thing you tell the cop when he comes to the window.

hands on the wheel.

"officer I am letting you know I have a concealed carry permit and I am carrying a gun"

at that point there is protocol to handle that situation.

if you don't announce to a police officer you are carrying a weapon and someone is reaching in the vicinity of it I wouldn't expect them to react calmly about it.
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s0nicfan posted...

I assume most of the people here have never been pulled over? You don't reach for ANYTHING in your car without explicitly telling the cop what you're getting and where from. If the cop says "can I see your ID" you respond with "Sure, my ID is in <location A>. Can I reach over there now and get it?"

That's just common fucking sense. Doubly so if you have a gun and the cop knows it.

EDIT: I should add, the cop handled it poorly as well, but it's more a lack of training than it is hostile intent.

Who had more traffic stop training, the cop or the dead man?
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s0nicfan posted...

I assume most of the people here have never been pulled over? You don't reach for ANYTHING in your car without explicitly telling the cop what you're getting and where from. If the cop says "can I see your ID" you respond with "Sure, my ID is in <location A>. Can I reach over there now and get it?"

That's just common fucking sense. Doubly so if you have a gun and the cop knows it.

Okay, so why did you ask whether people have been pulled over before if the way you should act is common sense? What is the point of your question?

s0nicfan posted...

I assume most of the people here have never been pulled over? You don't reach for ANYTHING in your car without explicitly telling the cop what you're getting and where from. If the cop says "can I see your ID" you respond with "Sure, my ID is in <location A>. Can I reach over there now and get it?"

That's just common fucking sense. Doubly so if you have a gun and the cop knows it.

EDIT: I should add, the cop handled it poorly as well, but it's more a lack of training than it is hostile intent.

It's so incredibly depressing that it has to be this way. I mean, I understand why it has to be this way. But god damn, where did we go wrong as a society that it has to be this way.

This is not normal. It's a sad piece of protocol that hopefully one day we can move away from.
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chrono625 posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Owning a gun is a right that doesn't get revoked just because a cop is nearby.

in a traffic stop, you need to tell the office if you are carrying and have a permit.

it's actually the first thing you tell the cop when he comes to the window.

hands on the wheel.

"officer I am letting you know I have a concealed carry permit and I am carrying a gun"

at that point there is protocol to handle that situation.

if you don't announce to a police officer you are carrying a weapon and someone is reaching in the vicinity of it I wouldn't expect them to react calmly about it.

So if the cop doesn't follow protocol, the person who had been following it dies.
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chrono625 posted...

in a traffic stop, you need to tell the office if you are carrying and have a permit.

it's actually the first thing you tell the cop when he comes to the window.

hands on the wheel.

"officer I am letting you know I have a concealed carry permit and I am carrying a gun"

at that point there is protocol to handle that situation.

if you don't announce to a police officer you are carrying a weapon and someone is reaching in the vicinity of it I wouldn't expect them to react calmly about it.

One you don't have to tell the cop shit in MN unless asked.
Next the cop said he didn't know where the gun was. (at first)
Any more excuses for this fucking murder ?
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WizardPowers posted...

Dang even he knew he fucked up hard

American cops are jokes

dammit, downloading something and my internet is shit.

(Insert clip of the 2 british cops trying to stop guy and he's going back and forth across street dragging 1 cop that is holding his leg while the other yells at him)
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Zodd3224 posted...

s0nicfan posted...

I assume most of the people here have never been pulled over? You don't reach for ANYTHING in your car without explicitly telling the cop what you're getting and where from. If the cop says "can I see your ID" you respond with "Sure, my ID is in <location A>. Can I reach over there now and get it?"

That's just common fucking sense. Doubly so if you have a gun and the cop knows it.

EDIT: I should add, the cop handled it poorly as well, but it's more a lack of training than it is hostile intent.

Who had more traffic stop training, the cop or the dead man?

They both should have had gun safety training, and that should have been emphasized equally to both.
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cjsdowg posted...

One you don't have to tell the cop shit in MN unless asked.

you'd only be doing yourself and the officer a service by telling him and letting him know.

not saying anything doesn't help any body.

Kineth posted...

So if the cop doesn't follow protocol, the person who had been following it dies.

if the cop didn't follow protocol this would have been an open and shut case on paper, it'd be tantamount to murder.
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Joeydollaz posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Seriously though, like what the fuck was the whole thing on about. Like, I can see one of two things happening.

Officer: Let me see your ID/Insurance
Castile: *reaches for ID, gets shot 7 times*
Officer: He went for his pockets, I thought he had a gun

OR:

OfficeR: Let me see your ID/Insurance
Castile: No *gets shot 7 times*
Internet: He should have complied!

The cop was scared, do you know this happened during a very hostile climate between cops n the black community?

do you realize EVERY cop was probably told, shoot on sight if you feel your life is in danger.

Soooo the trained cops have a right to be scared when they feel their life is in danger but not the civilians that are being shot?

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

To get his ID like you normally do when you're pulled over.

I have my ID, insurance, and CCW out and my hands resting on my wheel before the cop even gets to the car.
I'm not saying this puts him at fault or justifies it though. Just steps I take to avoid getting shot.

I've actually seen cops say they prefer the opposite. Even on this board (Kirby I believe) said that you SHOULDN'T do that. They don't want you fumbling around for your ID or insurance until they tell you to.
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It is tantamount to murder.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Also, fuck the NRA for remaining silent on this.

colion noir has spoken out against it
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s0nicfan posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

s0nicfan posted...

I assume most of the people here have never been pulled over? You don't reach for ANYTHING in your car without explicitly telling the cop what you're getting and where from. If the cop says "can I see your ID" you respond with "Sure, my ID is in <location A>. Can I reach over there now and get it?"

That's just common fucking sense. Doubly so if you have a gun and the cop knows it.

EDIT: I should add, the cop handled it poorly as well, but it's more a lack of training than it is hostile intent.

Who had more traffic stop training, the cop or the dead man?

They both should have had gun safety training, and that should have been emphasized equally to both.

So you're saying Castille should have been as properly trained in the procedure to follow during traffic stops as the cop that murdered him?
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Kineth posted...

It is tantamount to murder.

lolno.

literally no intent or any way to prove intent.
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Zodd3224 posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

s0nicfan posted...

I assume most of the people here have never been pulled over? You don't reach for ANYTHING in your car without explicitly telling the cop what you're getting and where from. If the cop says "can I see your ID" you respond with "Sure, my ID is in <location A>. Can I reach over there now and get it?"

That's just common fucking sense. Doubly so if you have a gun and the cop knows it.

EDIT: I should add, the cop handled it poorly as well, but it's more a lack of training than it is hostile intent.

Who had more traffic stop training, the cop or the dead man?

They both should have had gun safety training, and that should have been emphasized equally to both.

So you're saying Castille should have been as properly trained in the procedure to follow during traffic stops as the cop that murdered him?

As a licensed gun owner, yes.
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I didn't say first degree and even then, there's still manslaughter.


How about instead of continuing to spit on a corpse and what it did wrong, you talk about what the cop did wrong.
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chrono625 posted...

you'd only be doing yourself and the officer a service by telling him and letting him know.

not saying anything doesn't help any body.

Tell him he has the gun is the reason people are using to excuses this killing . So it didn't help out the victim here.
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prettyprincess posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Also, fuck the NRA for remaining silent on this.

colion noir has spoken out against it

"Legally, I'm left asking myself, was Yanez failing to conduct a proper felony stop reckless or negligent enough to warrant a Second Degree Manslaughter conviction? As a lawyer, I'm hard pressed to think so. But the young black male in me says hell yes."-Colion Noir on the shooting.
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s0nicfan posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

s0nicfan posted...

I assume most of the people here have never been pulled over? You don't reach for ANYTHING in your car without explicitly telling the cop what you're getting and where from. If the cop says "can I see your ID" you respond with "Sure, my ID is in <location A>. Can I reach over there now and get it?"

That's just common fucking sense. Doubly so if you have a gun and the cop knows it.

EDIT: I should add, the cop handled it poorly as well, but it's more a lack of training than it is hostile intent.

Who had more traffic stop training, the cop or the dead man?

They both should have had gun safety training, and that should have been emphasized equally to both.

So you're saying Castille should have been as properly trained in the procedure to follow during traffic stops as the cop that murdered him?

As a licensed gun owner, yes.

It seems doubtful to me that gun owners receive as much training on traffic stops as actual cops.
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Zodd3224 posted...

It seems doubtful to me that gun owners receive as much training on traffic stops as actual cops.

Well you're free to have that doubt.
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Fuck people who defend this and victim blame. You're garbage. That is all.
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This whole situation is pretty worrying. When it comes to interactions with officers we give so much benefit of the doubt to the officers, almost holding the to a lower standard than the regular people.
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That cop is an incompetent buffoon. Just look at how he turns this situation from 0 to 100 in a split second without giving the driver a chance to properly react. The man told you he was armed, if he was going to pull something on you he would have kept his mouth shut about being armed.

emblem boy posted...

This whole situation is pretty worrying. When it comes to interactions with officers we give so much benefit of the doubt to the officers, almost holding the to a lower standard than the regular people.

It's not almost, but yeah, I agree.
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Tragic event.

I feel for both sides, obviously more for the victim but for both.

The officer obviously wasn't malicious but his incompetence resulted in someones death.

I feel like it needs a punishment but I don't know what it should be. I do feel cops deserve a little more leeway when it comes to judgement calls but I don't know how much and at 15 years old I could have handled this situation better.

On the other hand and not to blame the victim but on the off chance this ever applies to anyone here, I have done this with a knife when asked to step out of the car and certainly would have done this with a gun. *place hands on the wheel* "sir I have a legal knife/gun located here. Before I move I want you to tell me what you want me to do"

And if a cop screams to stop moving, stop moving.
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Kineth posted...

emblem boy posted...

This whole situation is pretty worrying. When it comes to interactions with officers we give so much benefit of the doubt to the officers, almost holding the to a lower standard than the regular people.

It's not almost, but yeah, I agree.

Yea it's weird. People saying Castillo should have asked how to proceed and known how to react...really? The untrained citizen should do more than the trained cop? He should ask how to proceed? How about once he gets the info the trained cop instantly informs him how to proceed. It's so weird that a job like police officer is held to such a low standard by some.

yemmy posted...

"Legally, I'm left asking myself, was Yanez failing to conduct a proper felony stop reckless or negligent enough to warrant a Second Degree Manslaughter conviction? As a lawyer, I'm hard pressed to think so. But the young black male in me says hell yes."-Colion Noir on the shooting.

"Admittedly, I don’t have all the facts the jury had; I didn’t hear the testimony the jury heard. Maybe after hearing his testimony they believe Yanez honestly felt his life was in danger and justifiably so. However, I have to be honest and say, he shouldn’t be able to just walk away freely without legal consequence I just don't know what that consequence should be."-Colion Noir on the shooting.
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This thread just proves that even with irrefutable evidence of the incompetency of the cop, people will still pin it on the brotha for not following orders closely enough. Victim blaming at it's finest.
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TheVipaGTS posted...

Kineth posted...

emblem boy posted...

This whole situation is pretty worrying. When it comes to interactions with officers we give so much benefit of the doubt to the officers, almost holding the to a lower standard than the regular people.

It's not almost, but yeah, I agree.

Yea it's weird. People saying Castillo should have asked how to proceed and known how to react...really? The untrained citizen should do more than the trained cop? He should ask how to proceed? How about once he gets the info the trained cop instantly informs him how to proceed. It's so weird that a job like police officer is held to such a low standard by some.

He had a legal license to carry. He wasn't "untrained" and if he was that was the fault of his gun safety course for not telling him how to respond to police beyond "tell them you have a gun" which is ridiculous anyway since, as I've already said, it should be common sense to not act without informing the cop of each action you want to take.
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"Officer I have a gun in (whatever carry position). I have to reach past it to get my ID for you."

It's really not that hard.
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GOATTHlEF posted...

Panicking and making a mistake during a stressful encounter should not be a death sentence. The police officer involved fucked up and it's a travesty that he got off without punishment.

He was fired and rightfully so. He was punished.
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Denzien_of_Sega posted...

This thread just proves that even with irrefutable evidence of the incompetency of the cop, people will still pin it on the brotha for not following orders closely enough. Victim blaming at it's finest.

"stop reaching" after you tell the cop you have a fucking gun is a pretty important order to follow dude.

TheVipaGTS posted...

"He went for his pockets!"
*cop asks for ID and someone doesn't give it*
"Just give him the ID. Comply. Do what he says!"
*cop asks for ID and man reaches for ID*
"Why was he reaching for it man?!"

-_-

This

Stop apologizing for race murder
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scorpion41 posted...

"Officer I have a gun in (whatever carry position). I have to reach past it to get my ID for you."

It's really not that hard.

You know what else isn't hard

Not escalating a situation and instantly unloading 7 shots into someone. American cops are coddled like children for their mistakes, yet if a civilian makes a mistake they totally get all the blame for the death sentence they swiftly received.
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cjsdowg posted...

emblem boy posted...

What did the second officer say happened?

He said he didn't see a gun and the gun shots shocked him.

Do we have the testimonies of both of them?
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Comfy_Pillow posted...

Denzien_of_Sega posted...

This thread just proves that even with irrefutable evidence of the incompetency of the cop, people will still pin it on the brotha for not following orders closely enough. Victim blaming at it's finest.

"stop reaching" after you tell the cop you have a fucking gun is a pretty important order to follow dude.

yeah.
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MakoReizei posted...

Comfy_Pillow posted...

Denzien_of_Sega posted...

This thread just proves that even with irrefutable evidence of the incompetency of the cop, people will still pin it on the brotha for not following orders closely enough. Victim blaming at it's finest.

"stop reaching" after you tell the cop you have a fucking gun is a pretty important order to follow dude.

yeah.

but "stop reaching for the gun" and "stop reaching for your wallet BEHIND YOUR GUN" are two different things man. cops should train for this.
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I bet if the victim looked like this, the amount of people blaming the victim would be reduced to a few trolls just to be contrarian:

https://volkundvaterland.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/white-nordic-woman.jpg
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maybe cops should teach this stuff at schools


i read an article a while ago about cops going to schools and to tell kids about the dangers of toy guns and they told them cops will shoot if the toy looks like real a gun
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Whydidn't the cop ask him to get out of the car and disarm during the stop?
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