Board 8 > Is Lugia a bird?

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Altimadark
06/20/17 3:13:55 AM
#51:


GuessMyUserName posted...
Altimadark posted...
Considering it has grey skin and no feathers

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Silver_and_Rainbow_Wings


Yeah, I know it's supposed to be from Lugia... personally, I have a bit of a problem with this, considering that, as far as I can recall, Lugia is always depicted as though it has smooth skin, not unlike a dolphin. There's no tufts or ruffles or the like anywhere to indicate that we're looking at feathers.
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Paratroopa1
06/20/17 4:29:55 AM
#52:


Yeah I agree - although you can't really see like, detailed feathers or down on most pokemon, most bird pokemon have either a shape or color that at least suggests the appearance of feathers (Yveltal does, for instance), and Lugia doesn't. Except on his wing-hands, which... I don't even know. I honestly always thought they were fingers.
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MoogleKupo141
06/20/17 4:48:27 AM
#53:


Lugia is a wyvern.
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06/20/17 11:30:17 AM
#54:


I don't really see wyvern at all.
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Feathery
06/20/17 11:46:15 AM
#56:


Golduck is essentially "golduck" in Japanese also. It wasn't some rogue decision by a translator.
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Gatarix
06/20/17 11:56:06 AM
#57:


Paratroopa1 posted...
Yeah I agree - although you can't really see like, detailed feathers or down on most pokemon, most bird pokemon have either a shape or color that at least suggests the appearance of feathers (Yveltal does, for instance), and Lugia doesn't. Except on his wing-hands, which... I don't even know. I honestly always thought they were fingers.

That's how I see it too. It's four fingers and a thumb.

https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/b/b0/Hoopa_Lugia.png/250px-Hoopa_Lugia.png

also while looking for Lugia pics I came across this one d'aww

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/769551291827838980/zRHEKani.jpg
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foolm0r0n
06/20/17 12:01:04 PM
#58:


It's a dragon, and some people would argue dragons are birds, but they are wrong
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Emeraldegg
06/20/17 12:34:59 PM
#59:


It's a weird thing because the wings/arms look more like arms than wings, but birds don't have arms, they have wings, and lugia flies with its wings/arms so...what animal files with its arms? I have no idea.
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Gatarix
06/20/17 12:37:55 PM
#60:


Wyverns fly with their arms:
https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/aNKdVp6_700b.jpg
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woodman
06/20/17 12:39:17 PM
#61:


Emeraldegg posted...
It's a weird thing because the wings/arms look more like arms than wings, but birds don't have arms, they have wings, and lugia flies with its wings/arms so...what animal files with its arms? I have no idea.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/2c/b8/76/2cb876740d55a3c23fc471954e285f40.gif

He's trying, at least.
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Emeraldegg
06/20/17 12:40:49 PM
#62:


I don't think it's a wyvern just because it doesn't have the flaps but it's more conceivable than a dragon at least. A good a guess as any.
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MrGreenonion
06/20/17 12:41:39 PM
#63:


I remember the first time I heard about Lugia I thought it was some dumbass kid trying to spell "Luigi"
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SantaRPidgey
06/20/17 12:41:39 PM
#64:


Emeraldegg posted...
It's a weird thing because the wings/arms look more like arms than wings, but birds don't have arms, they have wings, and lugia flies with its wings/arms so...what animal files with its arms? I have no idea.


bats

lugia is a bat
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Bane_Of_Despair
06/20/17 12:43:54 PM
#65:


woodman posted...
Emeraldegg posted...
It's a weird thing because the wings/arms look more like arms than wings, but birds don't have arms, they have wings, and lugia flies with its wings/arms so...what animal files with its arms? I have no idea.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/2c/b8/76/2cb876740d55a3c23fc471954e285f40.gif

He's trying, at least.


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SantaRPidgey
06/20/17 12:44:59 PM
#66:


but seriously this is a super dumb conversation. Lugia is literally the leader of legendary birds in canon.

Golduck is also a bird. You can be two things in pokemon, the same way squirtle is both "squirt" and "squirrel"

the way I see it lugia:bird::whale:mammal
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foolm0r0n
06/20/17 12:51:23 PM
#67:


The leader of the birds doesn't NEED to be a bird
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HashtagSEP
06/20/17 2:53:58 PM
#68:


SantaRPidgey posted...
You can be two things in pokemon, the same way squirtle is both "squirt" and "squirrel"


You ready for this:

Squirt

Turtle

Squirturtle

Squirtle

There's nothing "squirrel" in its name
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Altimadark
06/20/17 3:00:12 PM
#69:


SantaRPidgey posted...
but seriously this is a super dumb conversation. Lugia is literally the leader of legendary birds in canon.

the way I see it lugia:bird::whale:mammal


My problem with this logic? Ho-oh is literally the leader of the legendary beasts on canon, yet I suspect there are few if any people who would claim Ho-oh is some manner of cat/dog/gerbil/quadrupedal mammal.
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-hotdogturtle--
06/20/17 3:11:12 PM
#70:


This is still the weirdest Pokemon thing I've ever heard in my life.
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SantaRPidgey
06/20/17 3:23:44 PM
#71:


HashtagSEP posted...
SantaRPidgey posted...
You can be two things in pokemon, the same way squirtle is both "squirt" and "squirrel"


You ready for this:

Squirt

Turtle

Squirturtle

Squirtle

There's nothing "squirrel" in its name


it's both, this isn't up for debate
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Emeraldegg
06/20/17 3:26:49 PM
#72:


In what way is it a squirrel?
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SantaRPidgey
06/20/17 3:27:57 PM
#73:


it and wartortle have a squirrel tail, and they are highlighted in many pokedex entries
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banananor
06/20/17 3:42:51 PM
#74:


SantaRPidgey posted...
it's both, this isn't up for debate

Name origin
Squirtle is a combination of squirt (to spray and small child) and turtle, for its turtle-like appearance.

Zenigame is the Japanese word for baby pond turtle. According to Pokémon Black and White's television program PokéQuiz, "'Zeni' is an old-fashioned word for money. Squirtle's shells look like old coins, so that's how they got their name!"
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foolm0r0n
06/20/17 3:43:15 PM
#75:


Emeraldegg posted...
In what way is it a squirrel?

how many turtles have you seen with a fuckin tail

come on man
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GuessMyUserName
06/20/17 8:03:18 PM
#76:


foolm0r0n posted...
Emeraldegg posted...
In what way is it a squirrel?

how many turtles have you seen with a fuckin tail

come on man

http://i.aerispies.com/turt.jpg
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WazzupGenius00
06/20/17 8:36:09 PM
#77:


If the Pokémon world had established Dragon type more broadly I could see it being considered a dragon. In Breath of Fire IV and Monster Hunter we see "dragon" as a broader classification that Lugia could definitely fit under. But in Pokémon the dragons all generally stick to those "typical" dragon features. Lugia is a bird.
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StealThisSheen
06/20/17 8:40:25 PM
#78:


SantaRPidgey posted...
it's both, this isn't up for debate


It either has to be Squirt + Turtle or Squirrel + Turtle.

Squirt + Squirrel like you insist doesn't even make sense because the name ends in le, not el. >_>

And while you could shift gears and argue Squirrel + Turtle, Squirt + Turtle makes a lot more sense, especially because of Blastoise, which fits the same naming theme. Squirrel is just kinda a fabrication by people because of the tail.
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MoogleKupo141
06/20/17 8:41:18 PM
#79:


GuessMyUserName posted...
foolm0r0n posted...
Emeraldegg posted...
In what way is it a squirrel?

how many turtles have you seen with a fuckin tail

come on man

http://i.aerispies.com/turt.jpg


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Paratroopa1
06/20/17 8:44:44 PM
#80:


The one defining feature of all (fully evolved) dragon types in Pokemon is a long neck

I'm serious, look it up

They all have long necks, and a long neck is frequently a predictor of being a dragon type (though there are exceptions - most are from the first three gens)

Lugia is one of these exceptions

The dragon type actually is pretty broad in Pokemon - it even includes an actual bird (Altaria), as well as shit like Exeggutor-A (long neck theory!)
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MZero11
06/20/17 8:51:38 PM
#81:


I think Lugia looks more like a dragon than a bird

Wyvern technically
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06/20/17 8:54:26 PM
#82:


Paratroopa1 posted...
The one defining feature of all (fully evolved) dragon types in Pokemon is a long neck

I'm serious, look it up

They all have long necks, and a long neck is frequently a predictor of being a dragon type (though there are exceptions - most are from the first three gens)

Lugia is one of these exceptions

The dragon type actually is pretty broad in Pokemon - it even includes an actual bird (Altaria), as well as shit like Exeggutor-A (long neck theory!)

Alataria itself is evidence that you can have both bird and dragon qualities.
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Paratroopa1
06/20/17 9:16:40 PM
#83:


I don't consider Altaria a dragon in any meaningful capacity, so this actually helps my argument, not hurt it
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Drakeryn
06/20/17 9:27:10 PM
#84:


Yeah Altaria is a straight up bird and I have no idea why it's dragon type
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DeepsPraw
06/20/17 9:30:33 PM
#85:


Lugia is 100% a bird

I can see being a 10-year-old and having a wild imagination, but let's be real here. It's time to grow up and face the facts
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-hotdogturtle--
06/20/17 9:33:07 PM
#86:


Paratroopa1 posted...
They all have long necks

Paratroopa1 posted...
though there are exceptions

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Paratroopa1
06/20/17 9:35:51 PM
#87:


there are far fewer exceptions than there aren't
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-hotdogturtle--
06/20/17 9:36:28 PM
#88:


Is Girafarig a dragon?
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Paratroopa1
06/20/17 9:38:05 PM
#89:


there are far fewer exceptions than there aren't (reposting)
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Paratroopa1
06/20/17 9:39:02 PM
#90:


that was mostly irrelevant to the lugia argument anyway - he doesn't have to be a dragon, he's just a not-bird
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-hotdogturtle--
06/20/17 9:39:29 PM
#91:


That's the definition of exceptions (otherwise the opposite would be the rule).
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foolm0r0n
06/20/17 9:57:40 PM
#92:


GuessMyUserName posted...
foolm0r0n posted...
Emeraldegg posted...
In what way is it a squirrel?

how many turtles have you seen with a fuckin tail

come on man

http://i.aerispies.com/turt.jpg

TRAPPED because now you have to acknowledge that Squirtle's tail is nothing like a turtle's tail
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foolm0r0n
06/20/17 10:00:01 PM
#93:


also holy christ gmun you need some help with your CSS
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Eddv
06/20/17 10:01:42 PM
#94:


DeepsPraw posted...
Lugia is 100% a bird

I can see being a 10-year-old and having a wild imagination, but let's be real here. It's time to grow up and face the facts



Thats no bird boy.

No bird at all.
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Raka_Putra
06/20/17 10:02:53 PM
#95:


Hempel's Lugia
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DeepsPraw
06/20/17 10:06:59 PM
#96:


squirtle's tail is more reminiscent of a turtle penis

I'd post pics, but they're pretty nasty
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Raka_Putra
06/20/17 10:08:52 PM
#97:


Maybe Preston can confirm.
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06/21/17 1:35:54 AM
#98:


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MrGreenonion
06/21/17 1:43:39 AM
#99:


DeepsPraw posted...
squirtle's tail is more reminiscent of a turtle penis

I'd post pics, but they're pretty nasty

Raka_Putra posted...
Maybe Preston can confirm.

...I don't even wanna know
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