Poll of the Day > I am glad that chick was convicted in that texting suicide case.

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I support the right to suicide (for the terminally ill or otherwise) and I think that most suicide prevention efforts are misguided. If someone does not want to live, they should not be forced to. We did not consent to being brought into the world, and we should have the right to leave.

That said, the decision to die is a deeply personal choice and should not be influenced by others one way or the other. That woman had no right to push someone to suicide, and she should be held responsible.
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This couldn't be posted in the other topic?
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CountessRolab posted...

I think that most suicide prevention efforts are misguided. If someone does not want to live, they should not be forced to.

The problem is that the vast majority of suicidal inclinations are based on treatable issues. A decision to die made by somebody of completely sound mind should be respected, yes, but if you can take away whatever it is that's making them want to die, that's a far better option.
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Person A: I think I am going to kill myself because I am very very unhappy
Person B: I respect your opinion and will not try to sway you into not killing your self

In a perfect world..

wwinterj25 posted...

This couldn't be posted in the other topic?

I am too important.

adjl posted...

CountessRolab posted...

I think that most suicide prevention efforts are misguided. If someone does not want to live, they should not be forced to.

The problem is that the vast majority of suicidal inclinations are based on treatable issues. A decision to die made by somebody of completely sound mind should be respected, yes, but if you can take away whatever it is that's making them want to die, that's a far better option.

Sure, I agree, but the people running around proclaiming "suicide is never the solution" are incorrect. That is more what I am referring to. Sometimes suicide is a viable solution.
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MICHALECOLE posted...

Person A: I think I am going to kill myself because I am very very unhappy
Person B: I respect your opinion and will not try to sway you into not killing your self

In a perfect world..

Agreed.
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CountessRolab posted...

Sometimes suicide is a viable solution.

Not really. Suicide doesn't solve problems, it just makes them go away at the cost of literally everything else. When there really is nothing else left and the problem truly can't be solved, go for it, but until then, actually solving the problem (or finding value in life) is a much better option. Given that suicide isn't something you can take back, aggressive, forcible intervention into any suicide attempts is reasonable until such a time as it's been determined to be a sound-minded decision.

Basically, while you're not wrong about the whole right to die thing, stop trying to get strangers on the internet to validate your suicidal thoughts. That's the depression talking, not a legitimate reason to die, and you and everyone around you will be far happier if you seek treatment for that rather than killing yourself. Nothing is wrong with you that can't be fixed, and your life is worth living.
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adjl posted...

Suicide doesn't solve problems, it just makes them go away at the cost of literally everything else.

???
Sounds like the problems were solved to me. Sure there's a cost, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work.
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This topic reminded of this quote:
"Suicide doesn't end the pain, it just passes it on to someone else."
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"that woman"

She was 17.
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Lightning Bolt posted...

adjl posted...

Suicide doesn't solve problems, it just makes them go away at the cost of literally everything else.

???
Sounds like the problems were solved to me. Sure there's a cost, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work.

The problems are still going to exist, the dead person just won't have to deal with them.
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adjl speaking truth in this topic. suicide doesn't solve anything unless you are going to die anyway (like in terminal illness). it just leaves a fucking big mess to clean up and long lasting emotional distress for family and friends.

it scares me when I see people who are suicidal on this board. some posters just fuel the fire and sympathize with them saying life sucks and it wouldn't matter if I didn't exist. that kind of response is dangerous because it legitimizes the suicidal thoughts these people feel, and prevents them from actually seeking care that might make them better.
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adjl posted...

CountessRolab posted...

Sometimes suicide is a viable solution.

Not really. Suicide doesn't solve problems, it just makes them go away at the cost of literally everything else.

Um, it literally solves every problem now and in the future. Sorry, but that is a fact.


adjl posted...

CountessRolab posted...

Sometimes suicide is a viable solution.

Stop trying to get strangers on the internet to validate your suicidal thoughts...That's the depression talking

LOL give me a break.
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lihlih posted...

This topic reminded of this quote:
"Suicide doesn't end the pain, it just passes it on to someone else."

That is one of the problems I have with a lot of suicide prevention services. They just try and guilt trip people into living when they dont want to.
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Super_Thug44 posted...

it just leaves a fucking big mess to clean up and long lasting emotional distress for family and friends.

Which is why ideally, suicide should be done in a thoughtful and responsible manner (euthanasia) and should be discussed with those close to you first. All I am saying in this topic is that if someone wants to die, they should be free to do so.
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CountessRolab posted...

Super_Thug44 posted...

it just leaves a fucking big mess to clean up and long lasting emotional distress for family and friends.

Which is why ideally, suicide should be done in a thoughtful and responsible manner (euthanasia) and should be discussed with those close to you first. All I am saying in this topic is that if someone wants to die, they should be free to do so.

This is such a pointless thing to say though because suicidal thoughts almost always have some underlying psychiatric condition that has the potential to be treated. Nobody in their right mind just says "fuck it, I've lived a great life and have no problems, time to kill myself".
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I have suicidal ideations but I'd never do it unless I was terminally ill. I wouldn't want it or wish it for anyone who can be treated.

There's NEVER a reason to kill yourself unless you literally can't be fixed. Not sure how true it is in this case. He says he tried before and thought about it but did he ever get psychiatric help? Medication? He was broken but he could be fixed.

balor i recommend seeking help.

Super_Thug44 posted...

Nobody in their right mind just says "fuck it, I've lived a great life and have no problems, time to kill myself".

Correct, nobody in that situation says that. If I were ever in a horrific accident and was permanently disabled though, I would rather die than live life like that. There are certain extreme scenarios where suicide is a viable option.

IAmNowGone posted...

balor i recommend seeking help.

LOL give me a break.
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ah so ur not advocating for people who can be helped to kill themselves

we agree then. carry on.

Super_Thug44 posted...

Nobody in their right mind just says "fuck it, I've lived a great life and have no problems, time to kill myself".

How about "I'm bored of life, I see no avenue to improve my life to make it more entertaining, if I cut it short now I'll save a load of monotony."?
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Super_Thug44 posted...

Nobody in their right mind just says "fuck it, I've lived a great life and have no problems, time to kill myself".

How about "I'm bored of life, I see no avenue to improve my life to make it more entertaining, if I cut it short now I'll save a load of monotony."?

anhedonia or not feeling like things are interesting anymore is a sign of depression.
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Super_Thug44 posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Super_Thug44 posted...

Nobody in their right mind just says "fuck it, I've lived a great life and have no problems, time to kill myself".

How about "I'm bored of life, I see no avenue to improve my life to make it more entertaining, if I cut it short now I'll save a load of monotony."?

anhedonia or not feeling like things are interesting anymore is a sign of depression.

It is also a sign of being bored. Not everybody is amazed by every little thing and can imagine being entertained for the next 60 years.
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wwinterj25 posted...

This couldn't be posted in the other topic?

Not sure that Balor believes in posting in other peoples' topics =p

adjl posted...

CountessRolab posted...

I think that most suicide prevention efforts are misguided. If someone does not want to live, they should not be forced to.

The problem is that the vast majority of suicidal inclinations are based on treatable issues. A decision to die made by somebody of completely sound mind should be respected, yes, but if you can take away whatever it is that's making them want to die, that's a far better option.

This, pretty much. Not to mention that most people who try to kill themselves and fail wind up regretting attempting it at all.

CountessRolab posted...

Sure, I agree, but the people running around proclaiming "suicide is never the solution" are incorrect. That is more what I am referring to. Sometimes suicide is a viable solution.

It's pretty rare for it to be the answer. Arguably it's only justified in end of life care although, even then, it's a dick move to want somebody to kill themselves instead of wanting to provide counseling or something. Granted, if somebody's dying from a painful, dehabilitating disease which is costing their family a fortune, they might rationally see it as a choice.

Super_Thug44 posted...

This is such a pointless thing to say though because suicidal thoughts almost always have some underlying psychiatric condition that has the potential to be treated. Nobody in their right mind just says "fuck it, I've lived a great life and have no problems, time to kill myself".

This, pretty much.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Super_Thug44 posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Super_Thug44 posted...

Nobody in their right mind just says "fuck it, I've lived a great life and have no problems, time to kill myself".

How about "I'm bored of life, I see no avenue to improve my life to make it more entertaining, if I cut it short now I'll save a load of monotony."?

anhedonia or not feeling like things are interesting anymore is a sign of depression.

It is also a sign of being bored. Not everybody is amazed by every little thing and can imagine being entertained for the next 60 years.

ITT: people think everyone who considers suicide is depressed.
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Are you advocating for not trying to prevent people with bipolar disorder and depression from committing suicide?
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Zeus posted...

most people who try to kill themselves and fail wind up regretting attempting it at all.

They don't though, the statistic is inherently flawed as they're not going to tell people they're going to attempt to kill themself again when they failed last time when you couldn't interfere.

Everybody I've known whose attempted suicide has done so multiple times as fucking up their organs hasn't convinced them that life's great.
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CountessRolab posted...

ITT: people think everyone who considers suicide is depressed.

if you are actively suicidal and have strong feelings of killing yourself, then yeah, you probably are. I don't know what point you're trying to make in this topic. it's like you agree with everything that's being said but still are argumentative somehow.
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