Board 8 > ~FIGHT!~ Bayonetta/Id/Revan/KOS MOS/Sephiroth vs MMX/Fetch/Sabin/Brock/FF4 Party

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KanzarisKelshen
06/09/17 6:04:23 PM
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Bayonetta, Id, Revan, KOS-MOS and Sephiroth have challenged Mega Man X, Fetch, Sabin, Beast Incarnate Brock Lesnar, Cecil, Kain, Edge, Rydia, Rosa, Palom and Porom, Yang, Cid, Edward, and Fusoya to a fight! Location of the fight: WWE Raw - Your typical set for WWE's Monday night wrestling show. Teams start in the ring and the fans, ring crew, and announcers have been replaced with inflatable balloon replicas. Competitors may brawl in the crowd but may not enter the backstage areas or leave the arena. And yes, tonight IS the night. Which side will win?


Guidelines

- The fight will occur in real-time (like an FMV sequence). Gameplay mechanics are less important than how the characters would function in a real-time environment.
- The members of each team are ideal teammates capable of a pre-selected plan of battle.
- "Broken" refers to a lot of things, including insta-death, auto-effects, a variety of status effects (e.g., Imp, Silence, Stop, *not* Poison), and revival. Unless stated otherwise, nobody has them, though do use your own discretion.
- There may be SPOILERS from all of the games the characters are from.

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-This match will end in 24 hours.
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Sabin has used his Suplex Blitz on KOS-MOS and Bayonetta, dumping them onto Bayonetta and Id, respectively, damaging them all (twice in Bayonetta's case).

Bayonetta is as she appears in Bayonetta 2, with all techniques and upgrades purchased, all her equippable weapons from Bayonetta 2, and the Eternal Testimony and Infernal Communicator accessories. She can't travel to other realms, use Torture Attacks, or perform Climax Attack summons, and her Witch Time only works as it does in gameplay. She has been suplexed by Beast Incarnate Brock Lesnar, damaging her.

Id is as he appears in Xenogears, with access to all of Fei's deathblows and chi. His other personalities cannot surface or influence him, and he cannot summon any Gears. He has been suplexed by Beast Incarnate Brock Lesnar, damaging him.

Revan is as he appears in Star Wars: KOTOR. He is a Light Side Scoundrel Sentinel, has access to his best non-broken equipment and access to all his Force powers as seen in KOTOR save for those in the Persuasion, Stun, Shutdown, Strangulation, and Fear chains.

Sephiroth is as seen in Final Fantasy 7, Crisis Core, Dissidia, Advent Children Complete, and Kingdom Hearts 1&2, with access to all spells, materia, and abilities displayed within. This includes spells/abilities from Safer/Bizzaro Sephiroth, though he may not transform into either of those forms. He may not cast Heartless Angel, FFVII's Supernova, Pale Horse, Stop, or Break.
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KanzarisKelshen
06/09/17 6:04:56 PM
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KOS-MOS is as she appears in Xenosaga Episode 1. She has access to her techs as well as Shion's transferable ones. She has all her weapons aside from F-SCYTHE, and is equipped with D Unit V6, White Ring, and Brave Soul, and has the skills AGI+1, Damage -10%, AP +1, and W Special. She may not access her Blue Eyes form or use Revert, S-Chain or Gate. She has been suplexed by Beast Incarnate Brock Lesnar, damaging her.

~VS~

Sabin is as he appears at the end of FF6A. He comes to battle equipped with Tigerfang, Godhand, Red Jacket, Red Cap, Genji Glove, and Hero's Ring. He is able to cast all spells from the espers Alexander and Gilgamesh, though he may not summon them.

Beast Incarnate Brock Lesnar is as seen in WWE Immortals. He is fully upgraded and gains the benefit of his passive, which increases his strength as he defeats enemies, but he has no gear. He may use any attacks Brock Lesnar would and any from the game, but he needs to build meter to use his in game signatures and finisher, and they will not be unblockable here. A Luma will fight alongside Brock in battle, able to either mirror his melee attacks or act independently while remaining near him. It fights as it does in Super Smash Bros. 4 when partnered with Rosalina. The Luma will also enable Brock to use Spin Attacks and to fire star bits as a short-range stream of projectiles. In addition, Brock is twice as big and twice as heavy as he would normally be. What impact this has on his fighting ability is up to voter interpretation.

Fetch is as seen in inFamous: First Light with access to all of her skill trees, fully upgraded (with the exception of Unleashed abilities). She will always have two sources of neon present (enough to refill her fully, each) at her team's starting position, regardless of the terrain chosen for the fight.

Cecil, Kain, Edge, Rydia, Rosa, Palom&Porom, Yang, Cid, Edward, and Fusoya are as they appear in Final Fantasy IV Advance at max level. They are all equipped with their best character specific gear obtained from completing the Lunar Ruins and all trials from the Cave of Trials as many times as necessary to obtain them, with Fusoya having his starting gear. None of them may cast Death, Break, Tornado, Pig, Toad, Stop, Hold, Confuse, Mini, Berserk, or Teleport.

Mega Man X is as he appears in Mega Man X5, wearing his Gaia Armor from that game. He has access to all his weapons save for Dark Hold or any Giga Attacks. He also has the ability to use Neon Singularity from Fetch as a sub-weapon, though it will have a limited number of uses and more potent abilities will have less uses.

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KanzarisKelshen
06/09/17 6:05:25 PM
#3:


@eaedwards6400
@JeezyMiyagi

The floor is yours.
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KanzarisKelshen
06/09/17 6:06:21 PM
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Eaed's argument:

http://www.seattlemusicnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/020816_wwe_mondaynightraw_keyarena_sunnymartini_01.jpg

This is what your a typical Monday Night RAW set looks like. Thousands of people and lots of lights. Neon lights. When the match started I will have already suplexed a majority of their team. Buying my team to setup my master plan. What is going to happen is that MMX, Fetch, the spellcasters of FFIV (according to the description of FFIV:CC that is Rydia, Rosa, Palom, Polom, and FuSoYa [Editor's note, I am surprised Tellah doesn't make the team but FuSoYa does]), and Edward are going to leave the ring and hide among the inflatable WWE Universe. This will leave the team of Cecil, Kain, Edge, Yang, Cid, Sabin, and Brock Lesnar in the ring. My melee participants are going to give the casters the time advantage to A. have Neon Signularity cast twice (One with Fetch and then another time with MMX) to prevent the enemy team from leaving the ring but B. to also allow my spell casters casting times to go quickly while the enemy team is going to have their hands full with the 7 guys that I left in the ring for them to deal with after recovering from being Suplexed.

So what you have here is their 5 in the ring with Neon Signularity going on behind them to prevent them from leaving. Against, my 7 in the ring. And some of these guys are no slouches. Cecil has one of the best defensive stats in the Final Fantasy series. Kane is going to be avoiding damage by using his ability to jump. Cid can pack a decent punch. Edge is extremely quick as well. All of that is not including the damage than can be done by Sabin with his Blitzes and Brock Lesnar is freaking Brock Lesnar! Then, I have another 8 outside the ring. 5 of which will be doing a form of ranged offense (MMX, Fetch, Rydia, Palom, and Fusoya), 2 will be doing a form of healing and buffing in Porom and Rosa and then you have 1 in Edward who can use his bardsongs to debuff the enemy team as well. Not to mention that these ranged fighters are going to have a tiny bit of cover with the amount of inflatible people in the arena.

Did I mention how powerful Fetch is going to be?
http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/uploads/getty-images/2016/06/485069030-wwe-summerslam-2015-850x560.jpg

This is your typical WWE Stage. The amount of lights that are going to be available to here is going to make her unstoppable. And it is a large stage.

I really hope people take the time to read my argument this time before immediately looking at the names and voting because despite the strong names on that side of the table I really feel that the match of 5 vs 13 people is much closer than it looks.
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Eddv
06/09/17 6:07:00 PM
#5:


Twice as big Brock Lesnar spinning and shooting star bits is probably the funniest image ive had all week.
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Lopen
06/09/17 6:07:55 PM
#6:


So many fighters it's like The Royal Rumble.
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KanzarisKelshen
06/09/17 6:09:39 PM
#7:


Lopen posted...
So many fighters it's like The Royal Rumble.


Can I get a "THIS RUMBLE IS SHIT" chant going

Where's Nature Boy Ric Flair as a third party trying to survive til the end
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FFDragon
06/09/17 6:09:58 PM
#8:


do you know how dangerous it would be if the lights at RAW were neon

not to mention prohibitively expensive

they aren't neon

(not that she needs more the two sources she gets anyway)
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Eddv
06/09/17 6:10:25 PM
#9:


A missed opportunity that's where he is.


Everyone knows John Cecil is going to win in the end.
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eaedwards6400
06/09/17 6:10:32 PM
#10:


Also, MMX also has the ability to spam neon singularity along with all of his normal moves. Fetch isn't even limited to Neon Singularity she can use some of her more powerful moves powered up by the Monday Night RAW arena.

Also, FFIV spell casters have their best spells so Rydia, Palom can use Meteor and FuSoYa cast ja level spells.
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JeezyMiyagi
06/09/17 6:10:32 PM
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Bayonetta and KOS-MOS are a very potent duo. Nobody here can really stand up to Bayo in melee here, ditto for Id and Seph. All five of my squad members are pretty sturdy and won't crumple after a suplex or two. I'd think that Sabin, Brock and the FFIV weaklings get rocked to death fairly quick. Then MMX and Fetch fall to overwhelming power.
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eaedwards6400
06/09/17 6:12:26 PM
#12:


The FFIV Characters I don't think are weaklings. They are the only characters in the series (until 15 I believe) that can get to levels higher than 100. The
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KanzarisKelshen
06/09/17 6:12:59 PM
#13:


The...?
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eaedwards6400
06/09/17 6:15:15 PM
#14:


The stats are higher and the ability to use higher spells are there and use them more often. I mean I legit have the ability to have two characters casting meteor and cast it multiple times.
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MajinZidane
06/09/17 6:15:35 PM
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wow that ring is going to be jam packed
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Wanglicious
06/09/17 6:15:57 PM
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man. it's like the rumble and there's a ton of jobbers in the ring.
and why'd you forget about revan? i mean yes, he's inferior to Bayo (everyone is), KOS-MOS, Id, and Seph but... he's got Destroy Droid and the best enemy is a robot.
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KanzarisKelshen
06/09/17 6:16:33 PM
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Wanglicious posted...
man. it's like the rumble and there's a ton of jobbers in the ring.
and why'd you forget about revan? i mean yes, he's inferior to Bayo (everyone is), KOS-MOS, Id, and Seph but... he's got Destroy Droid and the best enemy is a robot.


No he doesn't. Revan's writeup is dogshit but 'Shutdown' is the Destroy Droid chain.
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Lopen
06/09/17 6:16:36 PM
#18:


FFIV weaklings have a nice benefit here of most of the guys who would wipe them out being suplexed and a giant ape as a distraction, as well as having a decently meaty frontline of their own-- to me this match sorta comes down to how many Meteos can the FFIV mages drop on the enemy before they get beat up. Fusoya, Palom, and Rydia can all cast it. Three Meteos is gonna dent anyone in this match.
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FFDragon
06/09/17 6:16:42 PM
#19:


And, I feel like I'm going to have to repeat this every match it seems -- Fetch cannot open with Neon Singularity it is something she has to build up towards.

Though funnily enough, the neon singularity the admins gifted you on X is a sub-weapon and doesn't need to be built up and probably singlehandedly swings the match.

So thank Kan for that.
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greengravy294
06/09/17 6:17:27 PM
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KanzarisKelshen posted...
A Luma will fight alongside Brock in battle, able to either mirror his melee attacks or act independently while remaining near him. It fights as it does in Super Smash Bros. 4 when partnered with Rosalina. The Luma will also enable Brock to use Spin Attacks and to fire star bits as a short-range stream of projectiles. In addition, Brock is twice as big and twice as heavy as he would normally be. What impact this has on his fighting ability is up to voter interpretation.

Nice
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JeezyMiyagi
06/09/17 6:17:57 PM
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Revan is very cool. I just pumped that post out in a minute. He's also got The Force and lightsabers. Plus him and KOS-MOS got to collaborate on a pre-battle scheme that will definitely outclass whatever the opposing braintrust came up with.
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greengravy294
06/09/17 6:18:06 PM
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FFDragon posted...
And, I feel like I'm going to have to repeat this every match it seems -- Fetch cannot open with Neon Singularity it is something she has to build up towards.

Though funnily enough, the neon singularity the admins gifted you on X is a sub-weapon and doesn't need to be built up and probably singlehandedly swings the match.

So thank Kan for that.

yeah too bad no one cared when i had neon singularity on x

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KanzarisKelshen
06/09/17 6:18:33 PM
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I don't think X uses Neon Singularity cause if he does he's oneshotting everybody on his team except Fetch. >_>

Like unless it will killshot the entire enemy team (and I think it doesn't, maybe KOS and Revan), it makes his situation super bad.
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Eddv
06/09/17 6:18:41 PM
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greengravy294 posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
A Luma will fight alongside Brock in battle, able to either mirror his melee attacks or act independently while remaining near him. It fights as it does in Super Smash Bros. 4 when partnered with Rosalina. The Luma will also enable Brock to use Spin Attacks and to fire star bits as a short-range stream of projectiles. In addition, Brock is twice as big and twice as heavy as he would normally be. What impact this has on his fighting ability is up to voter interpretation.

Nice


Seriously i can't get past this.

Imagining it is literally murdering me
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Wanglicious
06/09/17 6:19:10 PM
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ah. if shutdown is that chain then nevermind there. he's still worth mentioning at least.
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Wanglicious
06/09/17 6:21:40 PM
#26:


i remember pointing out that X had it and hyping it up back then.
though it was generally not agreed on usage due to small proximity of a terrain. which... this would be too. though i guess the counter to that is bayo and kos will have murdered everything else in the ring 3 seconds into the match.
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greengravy294
06/09/17 6:24:58 PM
#27:


well you were like the only guy that cared now that i think on it

thanks man
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eaedwards6400
06/09/17 6:28:00 PM
#28:


Even if Fetch cannot do it right away, MMX can and it will still help get my point across. I really do feel that the opening Suplexs are going to get my people in position to do what they gotta do to really take those 5 out with my 13.
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Lopen
06/09/17 6:28:59 PM
#29:


Fetch gets meter from killing things in game-- if she splash damage kills FFIV party members would she get meter.
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greengravy294
06/09/17 6:30:48 PM
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Lopen posted...
Fetch gets meter from killing things in game-- if she splash damage kills FFIV party members would she get meter.

yes
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Kamekguy
06/09/17 6:32:16 PM
#31:


Is the luma also double sized.
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greengravy294
06/09/17 6:33:01 PM
#32:


no but a """ 2000 lb """ brock lesnar is gonna be spin attacking

whatever that is
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Eddv
06/09/17 6:33:48 PM
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I think the more important question is does the luma turn any F5s into double F5s
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JeezyMiyagi
06/09/17 6:33:55 PM
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KOS-MOS, Bayo and Id aren't that feeble to be stunned long term by a suplex. Seph and Revan aren't even suplexed and can start murdering the fleeing foes.
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Kamekguy
06/09/17 6:34:10 PM
#35:


Is the luma Brock's persona?

Does it qualify as magic?

Are Star Bits magical or psychic?
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MenuWars
06/09/17 6:34:34 PM
#36:


Gonna need some Beast incarnate feats, cus otherwise this feels like a huge stomp for the other team unless those Suplex's aren't easily shrugged off by people who have dealt with and tanked far, far worse.
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KanzarisKelshen
06/09/17 6:35:09 PM
#37:


Kamekguy posted...
Is the luma Brock's persona?

Does it qualify as magic?

Are Star Bits magical or psychic?


kamek pls I'm gettin triggered
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Eddv
06/09/17 6:37:39 PM
#38:


MenuWars posted...
Gonna need some Beast incarnate feats, cus otherwise this feels like a huge stomp for the other team unless those Suplex's aren't easily shrugged off by people who have dealt with and tanked far, far worse.



https://m.imgur.com/a0bC8ck?r

http://media.tumblr.com/1ff1f9d282bb79d3bf8987ab467cf082/tumblr_inline_mrakkcXbAs1qz4rgp.gif

Plus he like causes volcanos to erupt or something when he ISNT a like super big and heavy dude
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KanzarisKelshen
06/09/17 6:38:17 PM
#39:


MenuWars posted...
Gonna need some Beast incarnate feats, cus otherwise this feels like a huge stomp for the other team unless those Suplex's aren't easily shrugged off by people who have dealt with and tanked far, far worse.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEg0phPur8g


Those suplexes are solid considering that both mass and height are doubled (and height naturally increases mass). Gonna hurt like an absolute bitch.
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Kamekguy
06/09/17 6:38:29 PM
#40:


MenuWars posted...
Gonna need some Beast incarnate feats, cus otherwise this feels like a huge stomp for the other team unless those Suplex's aren't easily shrugged off by people who have dealt with and tanked far, far worse.

He gave The Undertaker a concussion at Wrestlemania.

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eaedwards6400
06/09/17 6:39:12 PM
#41:


Something that is worth talking about is well I mentioned that Rosa and Porom would be doing healing but they can also buff. If you cast Protect and Shell to protect not fighters most specifically gigantic Brock Lesner all the damage from the other team is gonna halved.

Also, Edward I was looking at his bard song and there are two songs he could play that would be using Hastemarch and haste my entire team or Hero's Rime to double my entire teams stats by 50%.
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Lopen
06/09/17 6:40:44 PM
#42:


Blink is actually pretty good here and probably the best defensive buff they can be using. A few auto misses might be just what the doctor ordered for Brock to get in.
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JeezyMiyagi
06/09/17 6:40:46 PM
#43:


Seph's also got Stigma which will poison and slow the opp group.
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MenuWars
06/09/17 6:40:50 PM
#44:


Kamekguy posted...
MenuWars posted...
Gonna need some Beast incarnate feats, cus otherwise this feels like a huge stomp for the other team unless those Suplex's aren't easily shrugged off by people who have dealt with and tanked far, far worse.

He gave The Undertaker a concussion at Wrestlemania.

Literally immortality piercing suplexes here.



Bahahaha.
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FFDragon
06/09/17 6:41:12 PM
#45:


MenuWars posted...
Gonna need some Beast incarnate feats


Ic7J4MH

now imagine that with a luma
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MenuWars
06/09/17 6:41:55 PM
#46:


Seems pretty clear cut then

Bayo/Id/Revan
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eaedwards6400
06/09/17 6:45:51 PM
#47:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
MenuWars posted...
Gonna need some Beast incarnate feats, cus otherwise this feels like a huge stomp for the other team unless those Suplex's aren't easily shrugged off by people who have dealt with and tanked far, far worse.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEg0phPur8g


Those suplexes are solid considering that both mass and height are doubled (and height naturally increases mass). Gonna hurt like an absolute bitch.


All of this while Kain is jumping on them repeatedly. Edge is throwing shit. Cecil is a freaking tank. Yang' s Kick bounces off of the wall of the screen when using it in the game. I could only imagine him bouncing off the ring ropes. And then Cid has a lot of damage and does decent damage too.

Have Sabin use Bum Rush and we suddenly got a team doing so much damage and that is just the melee team! I have potential for 2 or 3 meteors out there. Fetch and MMX doing there thing AND if we get hit I have the ability to heal them back up with two fully powered white mages.
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eaedwards6400
06/09/17 6:46:59 PM
#48:


JeezyMiyagi posted...
Seph's also got Stigma which will poison and slow the opp group.


But I just hasted them and bard songs don't cost MP.
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eaedwards6400
06/09/17 6:47:35 PM
#49:


I'm not sure how it is "clear cut" but thanks Menu
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MenuWars
06/09/17 6:54:13 PM
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Yeah but you're up against a guy that beats the shit out of Xenogears with his bare hands... and a Witch who can 1 v 1 Dante even without her Climax attacks... then you've got to deal with a batshit Force master who is completely unharmed upon entry, and Sephiroth who's blade swings are gonna be carving through people in that confined space... and KOS MOS, who from the videos I've seen seems pretty nuts.

I'm probably underselling the full FFIV team here a bit, but they're up against absolute monsters.
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