Poll of the Day > Do you really think Donald Trump is racist?

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I try not to listen to all the snowflakes.

Probably. Being racist doesn't mean you're attempting a full-blow second holocaust.
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I'd say no. If anything I think Trump looks at things from a business man's perspective. He doesn't care about your race or gender he only cares about how much money you can make him.
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The logic of "if you're not a SJW you're a racist" is one of the reasons Trump got elected in the first place.

It's stuff like this.

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/evergreen-state-college-racism-protests
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Sensual_T_Rex posted...

I'd say no. If anything I think Trump looks at things from a business man's perspective. He doesn't care about your race or gender he only cares about how much money you can make him.

Yeah, something along these lines.
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everyone is racist
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Eh not really I just think he treats people in general like shit and doesnt necessarily pick a race.

VeeVees posted...

everyone is racist

True, but the fact remains— some are measurably more racist than others.
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ClarkDuke posted...

VeeVees posted...

everyone is racist

True, but the fact remains— some are measurably more racist than others.

What's the unit of measurement for racism?
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VeeVees posted...

everyone is racist

Maybe, but not everyone has settled lawsuits about discriminating against minorities.

Not in the slightest.
Why would anyone think he's racist?? Sounds like a bit of a stretch.
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Sarcasthma posted...

ClarkDuke posted...

VeeVees posted...

everyone is racist

True, but the fact remains— some are measurably more racist than others.

What's the unit of measurement for racism?

Education and exposure.
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Whether he's racist or he just likes saying racist things isn't really a meaningful distinction.
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VeeVees posted...

everyone is racist

Therefore, no one is, and we're back at square one.
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No. He's unbelievably not PC, though. I'm not even sure if he's nationalistic or playing that shit up for political gain, although I err on the side of the latter.

Golden Road posted...

Whether he's racist or he just likes saying racist things isn't really a meaningful distinction.

Except he really doesn't. He's been repeatedly attacked after people spin a lot of the things he say, such as when professional (and amateur) liars claimed that a comment about illegal immigrants means that he said all Mexicans are rapists by default.
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Trump has been claimed to be very racist from second-hand sources. If that's so, he does a good job of keeping it out of the public eye. All of his policies conveniently keep people of color out of the country without mentioning their ethnicity.

http://gawker.com/the-collected-quotes-of-donald-trump-on-the-blacks-1719961925

And then there's this

Trump

"Number one, I am the least anti-semitic person you've ever seen in your entire life. Number two, racism, the least racist person"

So basically he's the "least racist person we've ever seen."

jamieyello3 posted...

Trump has been claimed to be very racist from second-hand sources. If that's so, he does a good job of keeping it out of the public eye. All of his policies conveniently keep people of color out of the country without mentioning their ethnicity.

http://gawker.com/the-collected-quotes-of-donald-trump-on-the-blacks-1719961925

Because apparently people take gawker seriously? Gawker is there for when Buzzfeed feels too much like credible journalism.
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Zeus posted...

Because apparently people take gawker seriously? Gawker is there for when Buzzfeed feels too much like credible journalism.

Not just Gawker, Gawker with sources. Wow!

It's hard to say really. There are a lot of articles that cite some of the things he's said that would make you think he is racist but anyone can make an article out like it actually happened. However I did meet one guy who said that when his band was playing all the black people had to leave the floor...so if he's telling the truth then yes he is. Tbh though a lot of people spin the truth so I really don't know if I buy it. People will say whatever they can to get a point across even if it means changing the story just a little bit.

If he isn't racist though he's definitely misogynistic.
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Yes. Why else would he not object to having blatantly racist supporters?
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jamieyello3 posted...

Zeus posted...

Because apparently people take gawker seriously? Gawker is there for when Buzzfeed feels too much like credible journalism.

Not just Gawker, Gawker with sources. Wow!

Based on alleged claims and, again, it's a clickbait website that's never been known for any journalistic integrity. It exists to get people to get people talking and doesn't care about the veracity of its claims.

gguirao posted...

Yes. Why else would he not object to having blatantly racist supporters?

Referring to the silly manufactured David Duke controversy which he did denounce...? More importantly, everybody has to vote for somebody so it's not particularly meaningful anyway.
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jamieyello3 posted...

http://gawker.com/the-collected-quotes-of-donald-trump-on-the-blacks-1719961925

“You’re fired”

“You’re fired”

“You’re fired”

Literally three of the entries on that list. Quite good proof that he's racist.
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Smarkil posted...

jamieyello3 posted...

http://gawker.com/the-collected-quotes-of-donald-trump-on-the-blacks-1719961925

“You’re fired”

“You’re fired”

“You’re fired”

Literally three of the entries on that list. Quite good proof that he's racist.

Pretty sure Jamie will just ask us to go back and look at those sources.
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No. its not really fair to label a crazy person a racist. Crazy... *Puts on glasses* trumps other attributes.
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I am pretty sure that he has said and done stuff that classify as racism because of pure ignorance and to save money.
I dont think he sees himself as a racist, but he is the kind of person that is slightly racist because of ignorance.
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Zeus posted...

Pretty sure Jamie will just ask us to go back and look at those sources.

Here you go
https://www.amazon.com/Trumped-Inside-Trump-His-Cunning-Spectacular/dp/067173735X

Now you can pay money to read secondhand Donald Trump's quotes, or you could literally visit any other website that will tell you what is said in the book.

Yes, but not any more than most people.
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He only cares about what will make him money / get him votes. If acting racist helps him, he'll do it.
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100% absolutely.
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jamieyello3 posted...

Zeus posted...

Pretty sure Jamie will just ask us to go back and look at those sources.

Here you go
https://www.amazon.com/Trumped-Inside-Trump-His-Cunning-Spectacular/dp/067173735X

Now you can pay money to read secondhand Donald Trump's quotes, or you could literally visit any other website that will tell you what is said in the book.

Trumped!: The Inside Story of the Real Donald Trump-His Cunning Rise and Spectacular Fall

Guess they kinda fucked up with the title.
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Zeus posted...

Guess they kinda fucked up with the title.

Was it was written in 1991.

I don't think he's racist, he's just a narcissistic idiot.
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This might sound strange but I don't think he is personally racist.

I think he is a business and politician racist which is worse because his discriminatory actions are born from opportunistic behavior and self profit and political gain. Most racists are just ignorant or indoctrinated into thier ignorance because that's how they were raised, but trumps form of racism is worse because he knows better, not that he "should" know better. He does. And ignores it and doesn't care.
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jamieyello3 posted...

Zeus posted...

Guess they kinda fucked up with the title.

Was it was written in 1991.

He rebounded quickly and became bigger than ever, which makes it awful. That's excluding the presidency.
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Sensual_T_Rex posted...

I'd say no. If anything I think Trump looks at things from a business man's perspective. He doesn't care about your race or gender he only cares about how much money you can make him.

I agree with this completely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K1-nzxzzug

What a racist pig

Trancer Hunter posted...

Sensual_T_Rex posted...

I'd say no. If anything I think Trump looks at things from a business man's perspective. He doesn't care about your race or gender he only cares about how much money you can make him.

I agree with this completely.

His dad, on the other hand, was arrested at a KKK rally.
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jamieyello3 posted...

Trump has been claimed to be very racist from second-hand sources. If that's so, he does a good job of keeping it out of the public eye. All of his policies conveniently keep people of color out of the country without mentioning their ethnicity.

http://gawker.com/the-collected-quotes-of-donald-trump-on-the-blacks-1719961925

And then there's this

Trump

"Number one, I am the least anti-semitic person you've ever seen in your entire life. Number two, racism, the least racist person"

So basically he's the "least racist person we've ever seen."

Plus all of his legal issues with race discrimination

http://fortune.com/2016/06/07/donald-trump-racism-quotes/
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Zeus posted...

He rebounded quickly and became bigger than ever, which makes it awful. That's excluding the presidency.

Since you're deflecting as hard as you can, let me point out that this topic has literally nothing to do with the success of Donald Trump.

If Donald Trump was a failure in 1991 then the book isn't automatically wrong. It was 1991.

Doctor Foxx posted...

jamieyello3 posted...

Trump has been claimed to be very racist from second-hand sources. If that's so, he does a good job of keeping it out of the public eye. All of his policies conveniently keep people of color out of the country without mentioning their ethnicity.

http://gawker.com/the-collected-quotes-of-donald-trump-on-the-blacks-1719961925

And then there's this

Trump

"Number one, I am the least anti-semitic person you've ever seen in your entire life. Number two, racism, the least racist person"

So basically he's the "least racist person we've ever seen."

Plus all of his legal issues with race discrimination

http://fortune.com/2016/06/07/donald-trump-racism-quotes/

The problem with these claims include the fact that a lot of the things it cites -- and I can guess the nonsense without seeing it -- refer to decisions made by his KKK-supporting father. And, in general, most issues were industry-wide.

jamieyello3 posted...

Zeus posted...

He rebounded quickly and became bigger than ever, which makes it awful. That's excluding the presidency.

Since you're deflecting as hard as you can, let me point out that this topic has literally nothing to do with the success of Donald Trump.

If Donald Trump was a failure in 1991 then the book isn't automatically wrong. It was 1991.

Except, considering how quickly he bounced back in the 90s, the book was a failure. If a guy gets knocked down then quickly scrambles to his feet, claiming he's knocked out is wrong.
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Sarcasthma posted...

ClarkDuke posted...

VeeVees posted...

everyone is racist

True, but the fact remains— some are measurably more racist than others.

What's the unit of measurement for racism?

Lynchimeters

Zeus posted...

Except, considering how quickly he bounced back in the 90s, the book was a failure. If a guy gets knocked down then quickly scrambles to his feet, claiming he's knocked out is wrong.

This is the dumbest thing I have read.

That is like pulling up a copy of a newspaper from 1945 talking about nazi germany. Then fast forwarding to now, and saying that newspaper is wrong there are no nazis in germany.
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Zeus posted...

The problem with these claims include the fact that a lot of the things it cites -- and I can guess the nonsense without seeing it -- refer to decisions made by his KKK-supporting father. And, in general, most issues were industry-wide.

Just going by the things Trump has said:

Trump complained in the press of “reverse discrimination” and alleged a “nationwide drive” to force landlords to “rent to welfare recipients.”

In the early 1970s, “African American” and “welfare” were used interchangeably and it was a well-established hallmark of dog-whistle politics, which allowed speakers to appeal to racist beliefs without using openly racist terms. More whites used welfare assistance than blacks, but welfare was regarded by some as a special benefit for minorities.

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In 1989, he told Bryant Gumbel in an interview, “A well-educated black has a tremendous advantage over a well-educated white in terms of the job market...if I was starting off today, I would love to be a well-educated black, because I really do believe they have the actual advantage today. “ In fact, all the serious studies refuted that. However his statement did serve as a kind of shout-out to those who were ignorant about the racial dynamics in the U.S. economy.

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Next in the Trump record on race came a 1991 book by John O’Donnell, who had been president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City. O’Donnell quoted Trump saying,“ Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys wearing yarmulkes… Those are the only kind of people I want counting my money. Nobody else…Besides that, I tell you something else. I think that’s guy’s lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks.”

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A telling moment arose during a 1993 Congressional committee hearing on gambling casino operated by Indian tribes. Trump, who considered the tribes competitors, offered a flourish of insensitivity during his testimony when he said, “They don’t look like Indians to me and they don’t look like Indians to Indians.”

Holy fucking racist remarks

Then this was enacted by Donald Trump himself:

For two years Trump would be required to supply weekly lists of vacancies to the Urban League’s Open Housing Center. When vacancies opened up in buildings where fewer than 10 percent of the tenants were black or Hispanic, the center would then have three days to submit applications from minority clients who wanted those apartments. If qualified, they were to get preference by agreeing to advertise vacancies in newspapers that served the black community. Trump was also required to advertise vacancies in press outlets serving minority communities.

Although he wound up complying with federal regulators on his rental policies, Trump had successfully staked out his position on race. He was on the side of those whites who resented civil rights laws intended to redress racism.
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I'm could be convinced it's not conscience, but yes, absolutely.
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ShinRaKnight posted...

Zeus posted...

Except, considering how quickly he bounced back in the 90s, the book was a failure. If a guy gets knocked down then quickly scrambles to his feet, claiming he's knocked out is wrong.

This is the dumbest thing I have read.

That is like pulling up a copy of a newspaper from 1945 talking about nazi germany. Then fast forwarding to now, and saying that newspaper is wrong there are no nazis in germany.

Except it's literally nothing like that. Instead, it's like picking up a paper which talks about Nazis occupying Poland in 1950.

Doctor Foxx posted...

Just going by the things Trump has said:

Except you have no direct citations for most of those -- which includes ludicrous bullshit like "dog whistles" -- and, for the comment about a well-educated black doing better than a well-educated white, there's literally nothing racist there other than the affirmative action programs which give well-educated blacks greater access to jobs than well-educated whites. And before you dispute that concept, keep in mind that the same programs are LITERALLY called "positive racism" in other countries.

However, if you're going to just quote nonsense you find on Gawker -- a source which got sued into the crowd over its poor journalistic practices -- you might as well toss in the remaining "proof" of racism where they quoted "You're fired" multiple times in a row.

Doctor Foxx posted...

Then this was enacted by Donald Trump himself:

You literally quoted a source chock full of loaded language and bias which openly draws suppositions.
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Zeus posted...

However, if you're going to just quote nonsense you find on Gawker -- a source which got sued into the crowd over its poor journalistic practices -- you might as well toss in the remaining "proof" of racism where they quoted "You're fired" multiple times in a row.

I'm quoting the Fortune magazine (I did not link or quote gawker)

Zeus posted...

You literally quoted a source chock full of loaded language and bias which openly draws suppositions.

I quoted a source that quoted him--with sources for the quotes. Have a look. it's the Fortune link. I haven't even opened the Gawker one.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Zeus posted...

However, if you're going to just quote nonsense you find on Gawker -- a source which got sued into the crowd over its poor journalistic practices -- you might as well toss in the remaining "proof" of racism where they quoted "You're fired" multiple times in a row.

I'm quoting the Fortune magazine (I did not link or quote gawker)

Zeus posted...

You literally quoted a source chock full of loaded language and bias which openly draws suppositions.

I quoted a source that quoted him--with sources for the quotes. Have a look. it's the Fortune link. I haven't even opened the Gawker one.

If that's the language being presented, the source doesn't seem credible regardless of the media which ran the editorial.
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