Poll of the Day > Do guns kill people?

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Vote.

Politicians kill people.
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No more than cars kill people.
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Not enough of them.
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Bullets do the killing technically. A gun without ammo is just a fancy display piece. Or an improvised blunt weapon.
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Of course guns kill people , both literally and figuratively.


We created guns, for the sole purpose of lethal force.

We are responsible for creating guns. We use guns to kill more ofthen than to protect.

Its not like cars , although i would go so far as to say that yes cars are lethal weapons as well but the difference between the two is glaringly obvious. We can have do cars kill people debate another day.

Guns were designed to kill, sometimes we kill people to get their gun (if we dont have 1.)


Zareth posted...

Bullets do the killing technically. A gun without ammo is just a fancy display piece. Or an improvised blunt weapon.

yes but guns were never created to be fancy pieces of furniture...
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Old people burning old people burning
Put your hands up
Old people burning old people burnind
That's kinda messed up

Guns make killing people easier.
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Oh, and my favorite singer has some thoughts on the matter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoQzvQpMGOc

"Hand guns are made for killin'
They ain't no good for nothin' else
And if you like to drink your whiskey
You might even shoot yourself"

Too bad new Skynyrd writes dumb stuff like God and Guns... :( RIP Ronnie

ZaruenKosai posted...

We can have do cars kill people debate another day.

This desperately requires quotation marks.
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None of my guns have ever killed people

Fucking slackers, I'm gonna have a talk with them
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SmokeMassTree posted...

None of my guns have ever killed people

Fucking slackers, I'm gonna have a talk with them

Be careful, this could happen with them...

http://www.mrlovenstein.com/comic/506#comic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgSOCYhwLJ8
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Should bows be banned as well?
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Stupid poor people stupid poor people
I have more money than you
Stupid poor people stupid poor people
You can't even afford food

JOExHIGASHI posted...

Should bows be banned as well?

Only the ones that commit murder.
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A gun is just a tool of the person using it. A person can do more harm with a knife or baseball bat than with a gun if he or she decides to.
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Gun debate to create ban gun debate again?

I'll say only hand guns and military weapons kill people.
Hunting rifles are tools to help people, not hurt people.
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SinisterSlay posted...

I'll say only hand guns and military weapons kill people.
Hunting rifles are tools to help people, not hurt people.

What are you talking about? People get killed by hunting rifles all of the time.

http://www.kptv.com/story/23301778/16-year-old-killed-in-hunting-rifle-accident-in-home

http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-lower-macungie-township-teen-shooting-death-20170409-story.html

https://www.thoughtco.com/six-killed-in-wisconsin-hunting-incident-972787

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chai_Vang
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Terminonatator posted...

SinisterSlay posted...

I'll say only hand guns and military weapons kill people.
Hunting rifles are tools to help people, not hurt people.

What are you talking about? People get killed by hunting rifles all of the time.

http://www.kptv.com/story/23301778/16-year-old-killed-in-hunting-rifle-accident-in-home

http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-lower-macungie-township-teen-shooting-death-20170409-story.html

https://www.thoughtco.com/six-killed-in-wisconsin-hunting-incident-972787

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chai_Vang

But that's not their purpose anymore than a car is built to kill.
A handgun though is purpose built to kill people. It has no other function. An ak47 is a lousy hunting rifle. It's only for killing people. An uzi is worthless for turkey hunting, but great for killing groups of people quickly.
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All I wanted to do was reference that dumb song from like 2007 and now this is a serious topic

SinisterSlay posted...

But that's not their purpose anymore than a car is built to kill.
A handgun though is purpose built to kill people. It has no other function. An ak47 is a lousy hunting rifle. It's only for killing people. An uzi is worthless for turkey hunting, but great for killing groups of people quickly.

Tell those people who commit murder with hunting rifles that they're not using them for their correct purpose, then. lol

Purpose/intent don't matter. They're all capable of killing someone. That's like saying cars are incapable of killing people because the purpose of a car is not to inflict death but for transportation. You can still run people over. It's a silly thing to say "only handguns and military weapons" kill people, implying hunting rifles are somehow exempt from being used in a murder because murder is not their intended use?
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ZaruenKosai posted...

Its not like cars , although i would go so far as to say that yes cars are lethal weapons as well but the difference between the two is glaringly obvious. We can have do cars kill people debate another day.

Cars actually kill people more directly than guns based on the idea of intent. When a person picks up a gun, they intend to do harm (although there are some accidents). Most car deaths aren't done with intent, ergo a lot of the harm is attributed to the vehicle. Keep in mind that the number of vehicular deaths in the US is *far* higher than the number of gun deaths in the US despite guns only being designed to do harm.

SinisterSlay posted...

Terminonatator posted...

SinisterSlay posted...

I'll say only hand guns and military weapons kill people.
Hunting rifles are tools to help people, not hurt people.

What are you talking about? People get killed by hunting rifles all of the time.

http://www.kptv.com/story/23301778/16-year-old-killed-in-hunting-rifle-accident-in-home

http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-lower-macungie-township-teen-shooting-death-20170409-story.html

https://www.thoughtco.com/six-killed-in-wisconsin-hunting-incident-972787

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chai_Vang

But that's not their purpose anymore than a car is built to kill.
A handgun though is purpose built to kill people. It has no other function. An ak47 is a lousy hunting rifle. It's only for killing people. An uzi is worthless for turkey hunting, but great for killing groups of people quickly.

Except that all guns have the same essential purpose: To do harm. It's not like a hunting rifle is a less effective weapon for killing people because it's also used to kill animals; in fact, most are effective at killing people than handguns. (And, of course, most cars are also more effective at killing people than handguns but I digress...)

And an AK47 can be an effective hunting weapon if you're an awful shot.

DarkwingDidi posted...

Oh Paul Giammati, is there anything you won't do for a paycheck?
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Terminonatator posted...

SinisterSlay posted...

But that's not their purpose anymore than a car is built to kill.
A handgun though is purpose built to kill people. It has no other function. An ak47 is a lousy hunting rifle. It's only for killing people. An uzi is worthless for turkey hunting, but great for killing groups of people quickly.

Tell those people who commit murder with hunting rifles that they're not using them for their correct purpose, then. lol

Purpose/intent don't matter. They're all capable of killing someone. That's like saying cars are incapable of killing people because the purpose of a car is not to inflict death but for transportation. You can still run people over. It's a silly thing to say "only handguns and military weapons" kill people, implying hunting rifles are somehow exempt from being used in a murder because murder is not their intended use?

Then cell phones are murder weapons. Pencils are too. Congrats, literally everything we send our kids to school with is a murder weapon now.
Intent is everything. That's why thinking about murder is not a crime, doing it is.
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Zeus posted...

ZaruenKosai posted...

Its not like cars , although i would go so far as to say that yes cars are lethal weapons as well but the difference between the two is glaringly obvious. We can have do cars kill people debate another day.

Cars actually kill people more directly than guns based on the idea of intent. When a person picks up a gun, they intend to do harm (although there are some accidents). Most car deaths aren't done with intent, ergo a lot of the harm is attributed to the vehicle. Keep in mind that the number of vehicular deaths in the US is *far* higher than the number of gun deaths in the US despite guns only being designed to do harm.

SinisterSlay posted...

Terminonatator posted...

SinisterSlay posted...

I'll say only hand guns and military weapons kill people.
Hunting rifles are tools to help people, not hurt people.

What are you talking about? People get killed by hunting rifles all of the time.

http://www.kptv.com/story/23301778/16-year-old-killed-in-hunting-rifle-accident-in-home

http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-lower-macungie-township-teen-shooting-death-20170409-story.html

https://www.thoughtco.com/six-killed-in-wisconsin-hunting-incident-972787

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chai_Vang

But that's not their purpose anymore than a car is built to kill.
A handgun though is purpose built to kill people. It has no other function. An ak47 is a lousy hunting rifle. It's only for killing people. An uzi is worthless for turkey hunting, but great for killing groups of people quickly.

Except that all guns have the same essential purpose: To do harm. It's not like a hunting rifle is a less effective weapon for killing people because it's also used to kill animals; in fact, most are effective at killing people than handguns. (And, of course, most cars are also more effective at killing people than handguns but I digress...)

And an AK47 can be an effective hunting weapon if you're an awful shot.

DarkwingDidi posted...

Oh Paul Giammati, is there anything you won't do for a paycheck?

Actually a hunting rifle is a remarkably poor weapon. Difficult to aim at close range, effectively only one shot. It's not designed for snap shots. It's designed to shoot far at steady targets.
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SinisterSlay posted...

Actually a hunting rifle is a remarkably poor weapon. Difficult to aim at close range, effectively only one shot. It's not designed for snap shots. It's designed to shoot far at steady targets.

You don't need a snapshot to kill somebody and it's ridiculous to believe that you would. In fact, if you wanted to kill somebody, you naturally would want to do so from a distance while they were unaware... which is basically most forms of hunting entail. Keep in mind that the greater the distance, the less likely you are to be spotted while killing them.

In general, calling a hunting rifle a remarkably poor weapon for killing is silly when a rifle sold for hunting was used to assassinate JFK.


If it's good enough to kill a president, it's a pretty fucking effective weapon.
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SkynyrdRocker posted...

Guns don't kill people, nuh uh, I kill people, with guns

Also, in case some people haven't heard it, "I kill People" was one of comedian Jon Lajoie's best songs. I would link it directly, but mods can be sticklers and it does have some offensive language, descriptions, etc. "Everyday Normal Guy" 1 & 2 were also good, as was "Sunday Afternoon"
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Zeus posted...

SinisterSlay posted...

Actually a hunting rifle is a remarkably poor weapon. Difficult to aim at close range, effectively only one shot. It's not designed for snap shots. It's designed to shoot far at steady targets.

You don't need a snapshot to kill somebody and it's ridiculous to believe that you would. In fact, if you wanted to kill somebody, you naturally would want to do so from a distance while they were unaware... which is basically most forms of hunting entail. Keep in mind that the greater the distance, the less likely you are to be spotted while killing them.

But that's rarely the way murders happen.
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Guns make it easier to kill people impulsively.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Politicians kill people.

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SkynyrdRocker posted...

Vote.

People kill people, but they'd have a harder time doing it with guns-it's the easy and cowardly way to do it.
If a properly crazy person wants to kill someone, they'll do it but you give a gun to a half nutty person that might not have had the stones to go through with it, they'll get brave.
Remove the guns or at least the crazy ppl's anonymous access.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ternps0JFwo

SinisterSlay posted...

Zeus posted...

SinisterSlay posted...

Actually a hunting rifle is a remarkably poor weapon. Difficult to aim at close range, effectively only one shot. It's not designed for snap shots. It's designed to shoot far at steady targets.

You don't need a snapshot to kill somebody and it's ridiculous to believe that you would. In fact, if you wanted to kill somebody, you naturally would want to do so from a distance while they were unaware... which is basically most forms of hunting entail. Keep in mind that the greater the distance, the less likely you are to be spotted while killing them.

But that's rarely the way murders happen.

You mean people are rarely ambushed with a gun? lolwut? A hunting rife is a highly effective weapon designed for killing. How do we know this? Because it's very effective at killing animals larger than a human and, again, has repeatedly been used to murder people including in situations where it's clearly superior to all other firearms as we've seen with assassinations. A hunting rifle is a weapon you use when you want to successfully murder and have a damn good chance of getting away after.

Right now you're only less likely to hear about a hunting rifle used in murder because other guns are legal. If you got rid of the other stuff, everybody would replace them with hunting rifles and you'd still have the murders.

Syntheticon posted...

SkynyrdRocker posted...

Vote.

People kill people, but they'd have a harder time doing it with guns-it's the easy and cowardly way to do it.
If a properly crazy person wants to kill someone, they'll do it but you give a gun to a half nutty person that might not have had the stones to go through with it, they'll get brave.
Remove the guns or at least the crazy ppl's anonymous access.

Actually no, there are plenty of weapons which are easier for an untrained person to use. And if somebody is crazy enough to kill, they don't need a gun. China and Japan frequently have mass stabbings. The only difference is that, with a gun, people are alerted and the cops come. During one incident in Japan, a guy stabbed over 20 people to death and, after getting bored of stabbing, he drove down the road and turned himself in at the local police station.

Not to mention that a legit crazy person literally beat a couple to death in their own homes in my state. Guy answers the door, the person attacked.
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/30/nyregion/a-thanksgiving-day-double-killing-stuns-a-rural-connecticut-town.html
http://articles.courant.com/2002-12-24/news/0212240325_1_alexander-gray-death-sentence-elderly-man

You think you can stop crazy people from killing? You'd need to ban arms and legs.
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Zeus posted...

Right now you're only less likely to hear about a hunting rifle used in murder because other guns are legal. If you got rid of the other stuff, everybody would replace them with hunting rifles and you'd still have the murders.

The majority of the civilized world has found different results.
But America is a special snowflake, we all know that. Simple obvious things that work in the rest of the world never work in America.
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ZaruenKosai posted...

yes but guns were never created to be fancy pieces of furniture...

Why have guns with beautiful carvings and motives of gold and silver if you are never going to look at it as a piece of art?
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