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JTekashiro
05/26/17 4:52:51 PM
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jedirood posted...
It sounds great in theory, but...

Kimbos_Egg posted...
where the hell is the money from this going to come from?


I think you mean it works great in practice. This idea has been tested just never on such a grand scale. Americans are too busy exploiting each other playing capitalist to bother caring about the other people in their society let alone the integrity of the society itself. It is a shame really.
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Erik_P
05/26/17 4:56:58 PM
#53:


Smarkil posted...
Erik_P posted...
UBI isn't being suggested for shits and giggles. It's being brought up because robots will eventually take all our jobs and if nobody has any money we can't buy things which will crash the economy.


Well, your job maybe.


That's really the best you can do?
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RedPixel
05/26/17 5:15:43 PM
#54:


Erik_P posted...
RedPixel posted...
You want money? Work for it.


When you lose your job to robots how will you be able to work?

UBI isn't being suggested for shits and giggles. It's being brought up because robots will eventually take all our jobs and if nobody has any money we can't buy things which will crash the economy.

No, @Erik_P, what people need to learn to do is adapt instead of cry about it. Work smarter, not harder. The idea of jobs becoming obsolete is not a new concept.
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Jen0125
05/26/17 5:16:36 PM
#55:


RedPixel posted...
Erik_P posted...
RedPixel posted...
You want money? Work for it.


When you lose your job to robots how will you be able to work?

UBI isn't being suggested for shits and giggles. It's being brought up because robots will eventually take all our jobs and if nobody has any money we can't buy things which will crash the economy.

No, @Erik_P, what people need to learn to do is adapt instead of cry about it. Work smarter, not harder.


That's the whole point. Companies are working smarter by figuring out how to get unpaid robots to do almost everything they can figure out. That leaves less jobs to even work anything at for people.
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helIy
05/26/17 5:17:46 PM
#56:


this is gonna be fun, i like doing these

Zeus posted...
Zuckerberg stole ideas, cheated business partners, engaged in unfair if not illegal business practices, etc... he's basically everything people accuse Trump of being except, instead of providing society with something useful like housing, he created an entertainment site which helps break up families. Not that I fault him for go getting his at the cost of everybody else.


so this can be flipped.

trump stole ideas, cheated business partners, engaged in unfair if not illegal business practices, ect. he's basically everything people accuse Zuckerberg of being, except, instead of providing society with something useful like a social media platform to stay in touch with friends and family, he created a school that cheated people out of their money, casinos that keep filing for bankruptcy, called mexicans rapists, a failed steak selling business, ect. not that i fault him for go getting his at the cost of everyone else.
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Erik_P
05/26/17 5:18:02 PM
#57:


RedPixel posted...
Erik_P posted...
RedPixel posted...
You want money? Work for it.


When you lose your job to robots how will you be able to work?

UBI isn't being suggested for shits and giggles. It's being brought up because robots will eventually take all our jobs and if nobody has any money we can't buy things which will crash the economy.

No, @Erik_P, what people need to learn to do is adapt instead of cry about it. Work smarter, not harder.


Oh boy, you're definitely a right winger. Incapable of reading comprehension or understanding what someone is saying.

If there's no jobs because the robots took them all, how the fuck are you going to work, let alone work smart?
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Smarkil
05/26/17 5:21:00 PM
#58:


Erik_P posted...
Smarkil posted...
Erik_P posted...
UBI isn't being suggested for shits and giggles. It's being brought up because robots will eventually take all our jobs and if nobody has any money we can't buy things which will crash the economy.


Well, your job maybe.


That's really the best you can do?


Do I need to work any harder with you? You work in manufacturing. Obviously your job is going to be taken by a robot because you have a very easy job to do.
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Erik_P
05/26/17 5:22:18 PM
#59:


Smarkil posted...
Erik_P posted...
Smarkil posted...
Erik_P posted...
UBI isn't being suggested for shits and giggles. It's being brought up because robots will eventually take all our jobs and if nobody has any money we can't buy things which will crash the economy.


Well, your job maybe.


That's really the best you can do?


Do I need to work any harder with you? You work in manufacturing. Obviously your job is going to be taken by a robot because you have a very easy job to do.


No shit. As is everyone else. Seeing as how UBI is being discussed.
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RedPixel
05/26/17 5:23:45 PM
#60:


Jen0125 posted...
RedPixel posted...
Erik_P posted...
RedPixel posted...
You want money? Work for it.


When you lose your job to robots how will you be able to work?

UBI isn't being suggested for shits and giggles. It's being brought up because robots will eventually take all our jobs and if nobody has any money we can't buy things which will crash the economy.

No, @Erik_P, what people need to learn to do is adapt instead of cry about it. Work smarter, not harder.


That's the whole point. Companies are working smarter by figuring out how to get unpaid robots to do almost everything they can figure out. That leaves less jobs to even work anything at for people.

The world is inevitably heading for a global crash because EVEN THOUGH we have ALL of the resources to build a sustainable economy for all to thrive and prosper, people want to chase money. We have ALL of the tools necessary to provide automation for the better. Sustainable/automatic food sources, etc. I believe it can all be automated. But, alas, the world doesn't work like that.

It doesn't have to be survival of the fittest anymore, but people in power don't want to create utopia with the resources and intelligence available. People don't know what birth control is. People like to spend resources to go to concerts for entertainment. If we were actually wise with our time, we didn't have people who cheated the system, and all kinds of other deceitful variables... it could work. But because it doesn't work like that, we have survival of the fittest. You don't have to be the smartest person to survive. You just have to be smarter than your neighbors. It sucks, but that's how it is. I'm just speaking the truth, if I'm coming off as hateful. I wish everyone could eat, have good health, and prosper.

Let's get real. Humanity is too dumb to stop the roller coaster and rebuild our ideas.
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Smarkil
05/26/17 5:24:09 PM
#61:


Erik_P posted...
As is everyone else


Do...do you think robots are gonna take every job in the country?
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RedPixel
05/26/17 5:24:24 PM
#62:


Erik_P posted...
RedPixel posted...
Erik_P posted...
RedPixel posted...
You want money? Work for it.


When you lose your job to robots how will you be able to work?

UBI isn't being suggested for shits and giggles. It's being brought up because robots will eventually take all our jobs and if nobody has any money we can't buy things which will crash the economy.

No, @Erik_P, what people need to learn to do is adapt instead of cry about it. Work smarter, not harder.


Oh boy, you're definitely a right winger. Incapable of reading comprehension or understanding what someone is saying.

If there's no jobs because the robots took them all, how the fuck are you going to work, let alone work smart?

No, I'm really not a fucking right winger. You think about politics too much. Read what I just posted after Jen.
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helIy
05/26/17 5:25:33 PM
#63:


Smarkil posted...
Do...do you think robots are gonna take every job in the country?

honestly, if i could get a robot to come clean my house, that'd be fantastic
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Erik_P
05/26/17 5:26:44 PM
#64:


Smarkil posted...
Erik_P posted...
As is everyone else


Do...do you think robots are gonna take every job in the country?


Universal Basic Income

What the fuck do you think universal means?
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Smarkil
05/26/17 5:27:22 PM
#65:


helIy posted...
Smarkil posted...
Do...do you think robots are gonna take every job in the country?

honestly, if i could get a robot to come clean my house, that'd be fantastic


jv75WGA
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helIy
05/26/17 5:30:28 PM
#66:


mmm. rosie. i'd tap that robot ass any day of the week
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dragon504
05/26/17 5:37:43 PM
#67:


It's too soon for it to happen, but considering how long it can take to get things passed, it might not be too soon to start the discussion for a basic income. Robots have been slowly putting people out of work for years and it seems like it's only going to increase. Delivery and transport jobs are in danger from drones and autonomous vehicles. Self order kiosks seem like they'll reduce the staff size at restaurants. There will be new jobs taking care of the robots, but overall I think it'll be a net loss on the total number of jobs.

It's going to take time for it to hit the tipping point though, so I still think it's too early for the universal basic income. When/if it does happen, a bunch of other welfare programs should be ended though.
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RedPixel
05/26/17 5:41:43 PM
#68:


ALL I'm trying to say is that we HAVE the technology to finally automate everything for us. All we would have to apply knowledge to is expanding the medical field, machinery, builders, gatherers, overseers, and miscellaneous other repairs as needed. Theoretically everything could be made to work at little to no cost. People would have all the free time imaginable.

It's the dumbfucks who take more out of the pot than they put in who cause instability. This ranges anywhere from criminals to religious cults that desire to harm people. We then have to waste resources to prevent that. We will NEVER have the Utopia that humanity is capable of. Someone will always ruin it. But in theory we could totally do it.

As a result of our dysfunctional society, people hoard their resources. We invest in security, home defense, choose to go on vacation... money isn't really evil, it's a means of exchanging a tangible service, so money can be seen as a resource in that regard. With all this money being wasted, resources are wasted. People could have benefited from it. But someone else obtained it and spent it. Can point fingers all day here. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction-- that's physics, but it holds truth to an extent in economy as well. It's why some people are really happy and why some people are really miserable.

If EVERYBODY contributed, socialism would be a beautiful thing. It's the society that we live in that makes it impossible to fully implement. Extreme capitalism is more or less the same thing on the opposite side of the spectrum-- people who hog the money (resources) make it difficult for people who are willing to put forth their own effort to get a piece of the pie.

The world will never be completely fair. All these resource hogging robots are going to cause an unforeseen ripple effect on life itself. Best thing you can do for yourself is to get smarter than your neighbor and watch some doomsday prepping tv shows. We're headed for a MASSIVE collapse.
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shadowsword87
05/26/17 5:45:16 PM
#69:


Smarkil posted...
Erik_P posted...
As is everyone else


Do...do you think robots are gonna take every job in the country?


Name a job and I can point to a robot that does something similar to that right now.

Also, even if they take over 20% of the jobs (which is low low low low, oh my god so low of a percentage), that will still crush the economy into tiny pieces.
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bshwalker
05/26/17 6:04:00 PM
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Better brush up on my rock slingin' skills...
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Dreaming_King
05/26/17 6:10:54 PM
#71:


If someone really wanted their living expenses paid entirely by someone else they could do that right now.

Just commit a crime and get thrown in prison, easy.
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Krow_Incarnate
05/26/17 6:15:34 PM
#72:


Kimbos_Egg posted...
and where the hell is the money from this going to come from?

It'd be nice if it came from taxes.

Ya know, money that's thieved from us to begin with.

Also, get rid of welfare and make UBI available to those who are employed or have been employed within the last 90 days.
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helIy
05/26/17 6:19:30 PM
#73:


shadowsword87 posted...
Name a job and I can point to a robot that does something similar to that right now.

sign spinning

manicure/pedicure

baby sitting
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shadowsword87
05/26/17 6:25:28 PM
#74:


helIy posted...
sign spinning


The year is 2100, our robot overlords have finally given us back what we wanted all along, what we were ment to do from the beginning of the world:
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SunWuKung420
05/26/17 6:26:37 PM
#75:


Good for him. It's true.
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The_Beta_Male
05/26/17 7:03:36 PM
#76:


Jen0125 posted...
The_Beta_Male posted...
it's funny that you people think i care if other people thought of it before

and it's even more funny that you all glossed over my dictatorship ideas; that's what makes my idea different from basic income


most people don't read all of your posts because they're stupid


hey now don't call those people stupid; they have a right to choose what to read and what not to

teehee
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Jen0125
05/26/17 7:04:47 PM
#77:


lol oh ya fuckin goober you got me
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jamieyello3
05/26/17 9:29:02 PM
#78:


Zeus posted...
In general, celebrities are just laypeople with a louder voice. There's really no reason to take their opinions on matters outside their realm of experience any more seriously seriously than those of the guy bagging your groceries (aka Argo, zing!)

With lay people opinions average out into one. For them to get to the top they have to be good at representing people. With celebrities, it's just one zany unproven person in who bought themselves a good slander campaign. Someone who maybe didn't even make their own fortune. *cough*
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Kana
05/26/17 9:35:23 PM
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He's right, but I don't know if the US is ready for those kinds of ideas yet.
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Clench281
05/26/17 9:37:52 PM
#80:


Krow_Incarnate posted...
Kimbos_Egg posted...
and where the hell is the money from this going to come from?

It'd be nice if it came from taxes.

Ya know, money that's thieved from us to begin with.

Also, get rid of welfare and make UBI available to those who are employed or have been employed within the last 90 days.


uhh

ubi is related to the idea of having more people than jobs to fill

why would it come with an employment contingency

that's silly. try again
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Muffinz0rz
05/30/17 10:20:38 AM
#81:


bump
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ZBug_
05/30/17 10:30:11 AM
#82:


thecolorgreen posted...
fuck no. brianna working at the mcdonalds doesnt need to be paid as much as i do

Why do you care how much someone else makes? Brianna still deserves to be able to support herself with a full time job, same as anyone. And people are still going to want their fast food.
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ZBug_
05/30/17 10:44:46 AM
#83:


Erik_P posted...
Smarkil posted...
Erik_P posted...
As is everyone else


Do...do you think robots are gonna take every job in the country?


Universal Basic Income

What the fuck do you think universal means?

Lol. I'd like to see a robot became a nurse.
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Muffinz0rz
05/30/17 11:03:09 AM
#84:


ZBug_ posted...
Erik_P posted...
Smarkil posted...
Erik_P posted...
As is everyone else


Do...do you think robots are gonna take every job in the country?


Universal Basic Income

What the fuck do you think universal means?

Lol. I'd like to see a robot became a nurse.

You say that like it's far fetched and never going to happen.

You really think we're that far away from robots that can accurately give shots/boosters, take temperatures, read heart rates, take body temperatures, and take on the responsibilities that nurses have?

Don't get me wrong, we will still have some nurses for oversight and occasional manual processes (or to step in in case a robot malfunctions), but it's not insane to picture a world in which robots can do those things.

And yes, I know there are things nurses can do that robots can't. But if we ever hit the period where robots can do those things, then jobs will certainly be lost.
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ZBug_
05/30/17 11:20:54 AM
#85:


Muffinz0rz posted...
You really think we're that far away from robots that can accurately give shots/boosters, take temperatures, read heart rates, take body temperatures,

No to this. That's not unreasonable for a robot.
Muffinz0rz posted...
and take on the responsibilities that nurses have?

Absolutely to this. I'd like to see a robot that can effectively ambulate someone, or feed a person who can't feed themselves, or dress a crippled person without hurting them, etc (Not to mention simply empathizing is a big part of the job). Outide of the simple stat taking, there are too many variables to taking care of a human; not even a team of robots could get it all right.
Not until Hollywood "true" AI is invented and we get robots that are just as sentient as any person (like in the movie "AI. Artificial Intelligence", gosh that movie makes me sad), and I don't see that happening in this century, or the next.
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Zareth
05/30/17 11:58:02 AM
#86:


Yeah, of course mister multibilionaire can say that.
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Zareth
05/30/17 11:59:40 AM
#87:


jamieyello3 posted...
He can't just slap Democrat on his head and expect us to like him.

What are you talking about, literally anyone can do that.
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do_ob_tpkillr
05/30/17 12:36:53 PM
#88:


I'm completely opposed to this train of thought.

I didn't study this hard, work this hard, just to end up earning the same amount of money as Burger McFlipface over there.
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Muffinz0rz
05/30/17 12:52:27 PM
#89:


ZBug_ posted...
Absolutely to this. I'd like to see a robot that can effectively ambulate someone, or feed a person who can't feed themselves, or dress a crippled person without hurting them, etc (Not to mention simply empathizing is a big part of the job). Outide of the simple stat taking, there are too many variables to taking care of a human; not even a team of robots could get it all right.
Not until Hollywood "true" AI is invented and we get robots that are just as sentient as any person (like in the movie "AI. Artificial Intelligence", gosh that movie makes me sad), and I don't see that happening in this century, or the next.

I understand that. But here's the thing. When a robot takes on the physical attributes (shots, stats, etc.), then you can have a human nurse there for empathizing, conversation, and whatnot. But that nurse's responsibilities will be greatly reduces since they aren't doing the physical work anymore. So, said nurse can easily handle more patients than a nurse who is also responsible for giving shots and whatnot. Thus, with fewer humans needed, jobs will be lost.

Granted, I highly doubt this will ever happen in our lifetime, but it's not unrealistic to think that it won't happen sometime not far after.
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Peterass
05/30/17 1:06:03 PM
#90:


The idea of being given free money sounds good to people but the problem is that if everyone is getting it, the money loses it's value.
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Revelation34
05/30/17 1:15:52 PM
#91:


RedPixel posted...
ALL I'm trying to say is that we HAVE the technology to finally automate everything for us. All we would have to apply knowledge to is expanding the medical field, machinery, builders, gatherers, overseers, and miscellaneous other repairs as needed. Theoretically everything could be made to work at little to no cost. People would have all the free time imaginable.

It's the dumbfucks who take more out of the pot than they put in who cause instability. This ranges anywhere from criminals to religious cults that desire to harm people. We then have to waste resources to prevent that. We will NEVER have the Utopia that humanity is capable of. Someone will always ruin it. But in theory we could totally do it.

As a result of our dysfunctional society, people hoard their resources. We invest in security, home defense, choose to go on vacation... money isn't really evil, it's a means of exchanging a tangible service, so money can be seen as a resource in that regard. With all this money being wasted, resources are wasted. People could have benefited from it. But someone else obtained it and spent it. Can point fingers all day here. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction-- that's physics, but it holds truth to an extent in economy as well. It's why some people are really happy and why some people are really miserable.

If EVERYBODY contributed, socialism would be a beautiful thing. It's the society that we live in that makes it impossible to fully implement. Extreme capitalism is more or less the same thing on the opposite side of the spectrum-- people who hog the money (resources) make it difficult for people who are willing to put forth their own effort to get a piece of the pie.

The world will never be completely fair. All these resource hogging robots are going to cause an unforeseen ripple effect on life itself. Best thing you can do for yourself is to get smarter than your neighbor and watch some doomsday prepping tv shows. We're headed for a MASSIVE collapse.


Oh the Irony of your posts. By your logic concerts and vacations don't contribute to any economy.
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jamieyello3
05/30/17 2:05:39 PM
#92:


I wonder how Zuckerberg would do against the least popular president in US history.

He's probably the single candidate the DNC could possibly pick that could lose to Trump.
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Muffinz0rz
05/30/17 2:09:08 PM
#93:


jamieyello3 posted...
I wonder how Zuckerberg would do against the least popular president in US history.

He's probably the single candidate the DNC could possibly pick that could lose to Trump.

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Lokarin
05/30/17 2:12:15 PM
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Republican spin: Automation means we'll have to execute 5 billion poor people, so ban automation.
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Kana
05/30/17 2:12:33 PM
#95:


do_ob_tpkillr posted...
I'm completely opposed to this train of thought.

I didn't study this hard, work this hard, just to end up earning the same amount of money as Burger McFlipface over there.

It's attitudes like that that are holding progress back. You think because you had to fight to survive then everyone else should have to. In reality, things like UBI envision a future where nobody has to.
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Zeus
05/30/17 3:02:16 PM
#96:


deoxxys posted...
thecolorgreen posted...
Jen0125 posted...
thecolorgreen posted...
fuck no. brianna working at the mcdonalds doesnt need to be paid as much as i do


that's not how it works at all.

brianna at mcdonalds would get a minimum living wage to afford basic house, food and necessities. you would work your own job to get income above the minimum living wage to afford the nicer things you'd like to do and own. and that would be in addition to your minimum living wage.



so it's basically just raising $7.25 to something more reasonable?

no its, everyone gets 1000* dollars a month plus what they make at their job

*example


For pretty obvious reasons, the system couldn't really work that way. If it was solely in addition to what people made then the government would have no tax revenue to support the system. Plus, under quite a few explanations, there hasn't been a work requirement.

Erik_P posted...
RedPixel posted...
You want money? Work for it.


When you lose your job to robots how will you be able to work?

UBI isn't being suggested for shits and giggles. It's being brought up because robots will eventually take all our jobs and if nobody has any money we can't buy things which will crash the economy.


As humorous as it is to see you bringing luddism to the 21st century, major disruptions to labor lead to labor shifts. Back when industrialization was rendering people obsolete, nobody could have predicted the jobs that later followed yet somehow employment picked up. Sitting in your armchair today, you can't predict tomorrow's jobs either. More importantly, all of this overlooks that countless jobs that were done in the US are now being done overseas and not by robots, but by people.
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shadowsword87
05/30/17 3:31:34 PM
#97:


Zeus posted...
As humorous as it is to see you bringing luddism to the 21st century, major disruptions to labor lead to labor shifts. Back when industrialization was rendering people obsolete, nobody could have predicted the jobs that later followed yet somehow employment picked up. Sitting in your armchair today, you can't predict tomorrow's jobs either. More importantly, all of this overlooks that countless jobs that were done in the US are now being done overseas and not by robots, but by people.


And horses would have been saying that when cars were invented and popularized, at look at them now.
Saying "things will work out in the future", doesn't always work.
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adjl
05/30/17 3:33:23 PM
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Smarkil posted...
Erik_P posted...
UBI isn't being suggested for shits and giggles. It's being brought up because robots will eventually take all our jobs and if nobody has any money we can't buy things which will crash the economy.


Well, your job maybe.


Robots will eventually be able to replace everything. That probably won't ever truly happen, since some jobs will require a level of artificial intelligence that would qualify as sentient and therefore need some sort of payment if we want to pretend we aren't bringing back slavery, but those jobs are few and far between.
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Paulf001
05/30/17 3:42:11 PM
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TheWorstPoster posted...
He is an idiot who only got rich with some website that more or less plagiarized another popular one.


You mean an unpopular one that didn't have a good name.
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acesxhigh
05/30/17 3:57:45 PM
#100:


5th richest person on the planet wants you to donate to his campaign
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Revelation34
05/30/17 7:54:32 PM
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Zeus posted...
deoxxys posted...
thecolorgreen posted...
Jen0125 posted...
thecolorgreen posted...
fuck no. brianna working at the mcdonalds doesnt need to be paid as much as i do


that's not how it works at all.

brianna at mcdonalds would get a minimum living wage to afford basic house, food and necessities. you would work your own job to get income above the minimum living wage to afford the nicer things you'd like to do and own. and that would be in addition to your minimum living wage.



so it's basically just raising $7.25 to something more reasonable?

no its, everyone gets 1000* dollars a month plus what they make at their job

*example


For pretty obvious reasons, the system couldn't really work that way. If it was solely in addition to what people made then the government would have no tax revenue to support the system. Plus, under quite a few explanations, there hasn't been a work requirement.

Erik_P posted...
RedPixel posted...
You want money? Work for it.


When you lose your job to robots how will you be able to work?

UBI isn't being suggested for shits and giggles. It's being brought up because robots will eventually take all our jobs and if nobody has any money we can't buy things which will crash the economy.


As humorous as it is to see you bringing luddism to the 21st century, major disruptions to labor lead to labor shifts. Back when industrialization was rendering people obsolete, nobody could have predicted the jobs that later followed yet somehow employment picked up. Sitting in your armchair today, you can't predict tomorrow's jobs either. More importantly, all of this overlooks that countless jobs that were done in the US are now being done overseas and not by robots, but by people.



Unless they have a major scientific breakthrough by then there wouldn't be more jobs created. Except engineers who can repair the robots when they break down.
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