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Jakyl25 06/04/17 2:42:58 PM #251: |
scarletspeed7 posted...
Never. Network subscribers will start to drop at some point. God that archive though That's the sad part. I can never leave --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_rocks 06/04/17 2:45:17 PM #252: |
Jakyl25 posted...
No that was 2012 and 2014, which I don't know how you are combining. I honestly don't get how Bryan losing the feud to Orton could be such a killer Like Bryan getting his moment at WM instead of at HiaC was way better. --- Such a lust for revenge ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GTM 06/04/17 2:45:55 PM #253: |
does the ends justifies the means?
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voltch 06/04/17 2:52:40 PM #254: |
Bryan did create the template where you can bury every babyface because Bryan got over from it.
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Jakyl25 06/04/17 2:54:01 PM #255: |
Yeah it's obviously not like I never watched again. They've done some great stuff! They just lost me as an unconditional defense force member that night.
Bryan lost the feud with The Authority that night. That was unthinkable. And then 3 months of unrelated Wyatt garbage. Then the fans and Punk combined forced them into the WM build starting the night after the Rumble. The WM build and payoff was great. A+ The Raw after WM 30 was the most optimistic I've ever felt about wrestling. Then the Kane feud happened, and the Shield broke up, and Cesaro was buried, and Cena got the title back, and the world refused to change. Now this is sort of due to outside circumstances, but in the end Bryan only had the one night of true success against the Authority. He lost to them at every turn in the fall, he lost to them in the Chamber, and then in kayfabe Demon Kane proved how fragile he was and broke him to the point he surrendered the title. He never got revenge during the 4 month period he was back either. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hardcore_Adult 06/04/17 3:32:08 PM #256: |
voltch posted...
When do you guys think network subscribers will surpass raw viewers. Sooner rather than later. A lot of people are disillusioned with RAW at the minute. --- I'll get back up for good this time and I ain't comin' down... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 06/04/17 3:52:12 PM #257: |
Jakyl25 posted...
Yeah it's obviously not like I never watched again. They've done some great stuff! They just lost me as an unconditional defense force member that night. And now he IS the Authority! Life lesson learned: Authority will break you until you conform and join them in some form. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hardcore_Adult 06/04/17 3:58:30 PM #258: |
Wyatts/Daniel didn't last long. It was killed by the end of January. They went after Cena next.
And as for Cena getting the title, that was only for like two months and had one succesful defence before getting Rekt @ SS. --- I'll get back up for good this time and I ain't comin' down... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scarletspeed7 06/04/17 5:13:01 PM #259: |
Hey, I'm listening to podcast from Tuesday, and Meltz tells this story from a book about Vince McMahon that really has to be heard to be believed. It essentially ends with Vince admitting he committed at least a misdemeanor and probably a felony in front of Congress and using that as a defense against an article Dave wrote about wrestlers dying young.
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XIII_rocks 06/04/17 5:16:35 PM #260: |
Bryan lost the feud with The Authority that night. That was unthinkable. And then 3 months of unrelated Wyatt garbage. I never once got the impression that it was over at that point. It wasn't anywhere near a decisive enough finish. He was pinned after HBK's Superkick! I guess that's the disconnect. I thought Bryan would win that going in, so I was surprised, but my immediate reaction was "there's a larger payoff here" not "feud over". --- Such a lust for revenge ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Wanglicious 06/04/17 5:53:27 PM #261: |
<_< the only reason a larger payoff happened is because Bryan was white hot despite WWE trying their best to ignore it. even then, Punk needed to literally quit to make it happen.
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voltch 06/04/17 6:01:57 PM #262: |
But in a way that one night was worth all the shit fans had to go through.
Since then I would say overall, wwe is better than ever. Not hotter than ever, but better. Signing everyone under the sun has improved everything. --- Congrats to Eli Ayase's #1 fan BK_Sheikah00 on winning the BYIG Guru Contest. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 06/04/17 6:02:49 PM #263: |
Hardcore_Adult posted...
Wyatts/Daniel didn't last long. It was killed by the end of January. They went after Cena next. Yeah but the whole angle was 3 months. (Also Bryan lost that feud too) --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_rocks 06/04/17 6:09:19 PM #264: |
Wanglicious posted...
<_< the only reason a larger payoff happened is because Bryan was white hot despite WWE trying their best to ignore it. even then, Punk needed to literally quit to make it happen. Great. Also irrelevant --- Such a lust for revenge ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 06/04/17 6:10:15 PM #265: |
I mean, the reality is that if the end goal was "Bryan triumphs over the Authority at WM" they sure took a fucked up way from Summerslam to get there.
Like having him win the title again. Or cramming in a Big Show storyline. Or a title-unification plot. Like the real story should have been Bryan working his way up and past the Authority underlings, win the RR (despite being the 1st or 2nd entrant), take down HHH at the EC to keep his spot, and finally triumph over Orton at WM. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 06/04/17 6:10:52 PM #266: |
Also, what if the rumors were true that we were gonna get Sheamus vs Bryan at 30?
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voltch 06/04/17 6:14:37 PM #267: |
In that scenario we get triple h vs punk and Orton vs batista
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Wanglicious 06/04/17 6:19:42 PM #268: |
XIII_rocks posted...
what the only reason why it worked is because a man literally left the company. your immediate reaction of "there's a larger payoff" was wrong - there wasn't one. there was nothing planned for it. we happened to get one but it took one of their top guys leaving the company to make it happen. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 06/04/17 6:21:55 PM #269: |
Well, realistically we'll never know for sure how much Punk leaving changed things. I'm not going to tell people assuming he did are wrong, though.
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paulg235 06/04/17 6:22:16 PM #270: |
Wanglicious posted...
<_< the only reason a larger payoff happened is because Bryan was white hot despite WWE trying their best to ignore it. even then, Punk needed to literally quit to make it happen. Oh man, could you imagine how bad the reaction for WM30 COULD have been had Punk not quit and WWE chose to stick with their gut? We could've literally seen Sheamus beat Bryan, Punk job to Triple H, the streak ending, and "babyface" Batista overcoming Orton for the title to "send the fans home happy". --- PaulG235 | "But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant." This line is currently being vacanted by supreme Guru BKSheikah ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 06/04/17 6:23:48 PM #271: |
paulg235 posted...
Wanglicious posted...<_< the only reason a larger payoff happened is because Bryan was white hot despite WWE trying their best to ignore it. even then, Punk needed to literally quit to make it happen. I don't think Punk loses to HHH. Punk I think even said he was going over in the podcast. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ScareChan 06/04/17 6:29:16 PM #272: |
Man I hate the network so bad. Im trying to watch Bate and Dunn finally because before it wouldnt work, and now its getting errors again., Its not even peak ppv time wtf
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ScareChan 06/04/17 6:35:28 PM #273: |
A couple of comments as Im watching
- I am a bit burnt out on the "these guys are former friends" thing. Its not a big tone of the match, but we have it dominantly with KO and Sami, and then him and Jericho, and then Kendrick and Perkins, and then Neville and Swann. Like we need some breathing room. -Bate has a HELL of a look. He's a hybrid between Angle, and Bryan, and his physique is great. And he's only 20? This dude is money. -For guys this young why isnt there a more experienced ref there? -Ugly bump at the end, but hell of a finisher by dunn --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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paulg235 06/04/17 6:36:12 PM #274: |
TheRock1525 posted...
paulg235 posted...Wanglicious posted...<_< the only reason a larger payoff happened is because Bryan was white hot despite WWE trying their best to ignore it. even then, Punk needed to literally quit to make it happen. Plans can always change, so while they may have penciled him to go over at that time, the result could easily change up to or on the day of the show. --- PaulG235 | "But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant." This line is currently being vacanted by supreme Guru BKSheikah ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 06/04/17 7:09:42 PM #275: |
TheRock1525 posted...
Well, realistically we'll never know for sure how much Punk leaving changed things. I'm not going to tell people assuming he did are wrong, though. I mean, it was in all the dirt sheets at the time, AND Bryan talks about it in his book. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 06/04/17 7:11:31 PM #276: |
TheRock1525 posted...
Or a title-unification plot. I think you could still fit that in there while Bryan is still clawing his way back up. I'm definitely okay with the unification. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 06/04/17 7:22:11 PM #277: |
Just think, TEN YEARS from now, Bate will be as old as Bray Wyatt, the youngest person in the main event
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ScareChan 06/04/17 7:38:35 PM #278: |
His look is amazing. He is for sure a big time future guy. Like if they get his character right I could see him having a Cena type main event role.
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scarletspeed7 06/04/17 7:40:19 PM #279: |
He looks like a douchey hipster.
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davidponte 06/04/17 7:44:25 PM #280: |
I have nothing better to do, so looks like I'll be watching tonight after all.
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TheRock1525 06/04/17 8:02:47 PM #281: |
Jakyl25 posted...
TheRock1525 posted...Well, realistically we'll never know for sure how much Punk leaving changed things. I'm not going to tell people assuming he did are wrong, though. Right but dirtsheets are sometimes wrong. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FFDragon 06/04/17 8:04:07 PM #282: |
Bryan himself seems like a credible source though.
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TheRock1525 06/04/17 8:06:01 PM #283: |
I keep getting confused cause are we talking Daniel Bryan or Bryan Alvarez?
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davidponte 06/04/17 8:10:21 PM #284: |
This has been a weird start. Miz comes out immediately, then they play the promo package for the feud while he's in the ring, and now, almost 10 minutes into the show, Dean is coming out.
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ZeroSignal620 06/04/17 8:13:40 PM #285: |
A while back MWC asked if anyone besides Rock won a world title using multiple winning moves. Example...
Rock Sharpshooter (SvS 98) People's Elbow (Backlash 00) Rock Bottom (King of the Ring 00) Roll up (Raw, November 2001) I can officially confirm now that The Undertaker DID win World titles also with 4 different moves. I had completely had one ppv not on my mind when the subject was brought up Tombstone (WrestleMania 13) Roll up (Over the Edge 99) Chokeslam (Judgment Day 02) Hell's Gate (WrestleMania 24) --- Formerly known as Raven 2, currently losing to BKSheikah http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/ZeroSignal620.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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StealThisSheen 06/04/17 8:34:07 PM #286: |
Miz/Ambrose was pretty good.
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davidponte 06/04/17 8:37:27 PM #287: |
Was Bayley getting booed there?
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DoomTheGyarados 06/04/17 8:59:48 PM #288: |
How I want this to go: Alexa gets the kendo stick but Bailey takes it and gets DQ'd for beating the ever living hell out of Alexa, setting up something better than this dumb match.
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davidponte 06/04/17 9:05:53 PM #289: |
Alexa should never not be champion
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DoomTheGyarados 06/04/17 9:06:22 PM #290: |
...I'm also okay with that.
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Lopen 06/04/17 9:06:23 PM #291: |
Bayley is buried beneath the earth
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CybrMonkey 06/04/17 9:07:21 PM #292: |
Nope, instead they went, "Bayley is so incompetent that she can't even use a stick properly and gets her ass kicked".
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StealThisSheen 06/04/17 9:07:48 PM #293: |
I'm all for Bliss getting squash matches!
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CybrMonkey 06/04/17 9:21:22 PM #294: |
This match stip has a logic problem just like the IC title match did. Why not just let one opponent escape so you can easily beat up on the remaining guy?
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DoomTheGyarados 06/04/17 9:28:35 PM #295: |
Because Jeff will cheat.
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Lopen 06/04/17 9:31:26 PM #296: |
Like
Why is Matt stopping Sheamus from leaving Just follow him out the door for high comedy The logic holes in that match were infuriating --- No problem and congratulation! BK_Sheikah00 committed a cute and pop genocide of love against the gurus! Kyaa~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scarletspeed7 06/04/17 9:45:06 PM #297: |
How about this little nugget?
Every WWE champion is now a heel. At least until Neville/Aries ends. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DoomTheGyarados 06/04/17 9:49:14 PM #298: |
scarletspeed7 posted...
How about this little nugget? Naomi. --- Sir Chris The Cult of Personality ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scarletspeed7 06/04/17 9:49:51 PM #299: |
DoomTheGyarados posted...
scarletspeed7 posted...How about this little nugget? She's an Uso. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer ... Copied to Clipboard!
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StealThisSheen 06/04/17 9:50:04 PM #300: |
Lopen posted...
Like What if when they do stuff like that, the cage itself actually comes to life and is like "Okay, guys... What you're doing technically isn't against the rules, but it is against the spirit of the match" and it's just so whiny that they comply --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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