Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 96: Completely Fucked

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StealThisSheen posted...

Unknown_voter posted...

while potentially hurting our international standing due to leaked info from other govs we weren't supposed to

I mean, this literally happened with Manning, too, so

...no it didn't? he leaked info about us. it endangered nobody else and was not giving away info from other govs.

I think it was appropriate for Obama to commute the rest of Manning's sentence, but what she did was not whistleblowing and was far from being okay.
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Unknown_voter posted...

...no it didn't? he leaked info about us. it endangered nobody else and was not giving away info from other govs.

...It literally leaked the names of sources.
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Eddv posted...

It doesnt matter. Lets not pretend this on the same level as people leaking the contents of memos or Trumps mood.

Manning wasnt leaking hot gossip, she leaked state secrets, some of it top secret.

She put real live people at risk and kingmade the king shithead Julian Assange. She took the entire process into her own hands and unilaterally made decisions that effected millions. All because she was selfish and couldnt be assed to go through proper channels to express her concerns. She is a traitor. In a less kind era she would have been hung. I find her even worse than Snowden because she betrayed the trust of the entire military.

It was a crime when Bush admin did it to Valerie Plame, it was a crime when Manning did it, it was always always a crime.

She is not a hero shes a god damn disgrace.

our state is evil and deserves to have its evil secrets leaked.

many people unilaterally make decisions that affect millions. nobody is selfish for risking life in prison to expose wrongdoings.

being a traitor against an evil government is heroic.

crimes are not always evil.

Unknown_voter posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Unknown_voter posted...

while potentially hurting our international standing due to leaked info from other govs we weren't supposed to

I mean, this literally happened with Manning, too, so

...no it didn't? he leaked info about us. it endangered nobody else and was not giving away info from other govs.

Yes.

Yes that is exactly what it did.
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Unknown_voter posted...

our state is evil and deserves to have its evil secrets leaked.

Ok you lose your being taken seriously privileges for a week.
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Unknown_voter posted...

Eddv posted...

It doesnt matter. Lets not pretend this on the same level as people leaking the contents of memos or Trumps mood.

Manning wasnt leaking hot gossip, she leaked state secrets, some of it top secret.

She put real live people at risk and kingmade the king shithead Julian Assange. She took the entire process into her own hands and unilaterally made decisions that effected millions. All because she was selfish and couldnt be assed to go through proper channels to express her concerns. She is a traitor. In a less kind era she would have been hung. I find her even worse than Snowden because she betrayed the trust of the entire military.

It was a crime when Bush admin did it to Valerie Plame, it was a crime when Manning did it, it was always always a crime.

She is not a hero shes a god damn disgrace.

our state is evil and deserves to have its evil secrets leaked.

many people unilaterally make decisions that affect millions. nobody is selfish for risking life in prison to expose wrongdoings.

being a traitor against an evil government is heroic.

crimes are not always evil.

And in the process of doing all this, they kill people who were heroes, smash our ability to function into the dirt, and kill our reputation.
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Unknown_voter posted...

our state is evil and deserves to have its evil secrets leaked.

many people unilaterally make decisions that affect millions. nobody is selfish for risking life in prison to expose wrongdoings.

being a traitor against an evil government is heroic.

crimes are not always evil.

You seem of the opinion that Manning cherry picked what she leaked and ONLY gave info about crimes we committed.

That is incorrect.

Manning leaked EVERYTHING related to the crimes as well, even if just linked to the operation it occurred under, etc. It leaked names, locations, etc... Both our own and foreign. It put people's lives in danger.
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StealThisSheen posted...

Unknown_voter posted...

our state is evil and deserves to have its evil secrets leaked.

many people unilaterally make decisions that affect millions. nobody is selfish for risking life in prison to expose wrongdoings.

being a traitor against an evil government is heroic.

crimes are not always evil.

You seem of the opinion that Manning cherry picked what she leaked and ONLY gave info about crimes we committed.

That is incorrect.

Manning leaked EVERYTHING related to the crimes as well, even if just linked to the operation it occurred under, etc. It leaked names, locations, etc... Both our own and foreign. It put people's lives in danger.

I will note that this is better than Assange's bullshit.

But that's in comparison to Assange.
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chelsea manning is this annoying/weird sitaution where I think the stuff she did is bad but it also pisses me off when people disrespect her gender

Paratroopa1 posted...

chelsea manning is this annoying/weird sitaution where I think the stuff she did is bad but it also pisses me off when people disrespect her gender

To be fair, I don't think anybody here has done that other than the person actually arguing in her favor
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Paratroopa1 posted...

chelsea manning is this annoying/weird sitaution where I think the stuff she did is bad but it also pisses me off when people disrespect her gender

This is actually the reason i took charge here.

Didnt want anyone making this about her being trans.

Just about the fact that she is a disgraceful woman whose crimes deserve whatever punishment you can think of.
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StealThisSheen posted...

Paratroopa1 posted...

chelsea manning is this annoying/weird sitaution where I think the stuff she did is bad but it also pisses me off when people disrespect her gender

To be fair, I don't think anybody here has done that other than the person actually arguing in her favor

I know - it was just sort of a free-floating thought

like it bugs me that chelsea manning is somehow at the center of a debate about trans people when the fact that she is trans is super irrelevant

Paratroopa1 posted...

chelsea manning is this annoying/weird sitaution where I think the stuff she did is bad but it also pisses me off when people disrespect her gender

This is a symptom of SJWism. You're triggered by an insult that didn't even occur. Conservatives know to judge people by the content of their character, don't forget.
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I have yet to see any evidence of her putting anyone in danger- but even if she did, her leaks were not only necessary, but heroic, and by far a net positive.

what Trump leaked- again, I have no problem with- but it was not something the public needed to know about or that exposed our evil. Just helped us more effectively kill brown people with Russia.

Paratroopa1 posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Paratroopa1 posted...

chelsea manning is this annoying/weird sitaution where I think the stuff she did is bad but it also pisses me off when people disrespect her gender

To be fair, I don't think anybody here has done that other than the person actually arguing in her favor

I know - it was just sort of a free-floating thought

like it bugs me that chelsea manning is somehow at the center of a debate about trans people when the fact that she is trans is super irrelevant

I hope we can all come together and agree that her being trans is irrelevant and unite on the fact that she is a terrible person that quite possibly could've gotten people killed.
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Unknown_voter posted...

I have yet to see any evidence of her putting anyone in danger- but even if she did, her leaks were not only necessary, but heroic, and by far a net positive.

what Trump leaked- again, I have no problem with- but it was not something the public needed to know about or that exposed our evil. Just helped us more effectively kill brown people with Russia.

Riveting. Even if they killed a bunch of people and fucked over a bunch more, it's great because she shat on America.
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That being said, Snowden and Manning should be hanged. And I mean that quite literally.
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liberals: "I don't care about justice for the war crimes my country regularly commits or hate the people who order these crimes to be committed - those victims were brown and poor. But you put a handful of peoples lives in danger (?) to relay that information....scum of the earth."

Uh oh, special snowflakes are making sure people get NKLs again.

Liberals need censorship and moderation at all times. They cannot win debates in a free market of open ideas, and that's why the people who don't come here all know this topic is trash.
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Unknown_voter posted...

liberals: "I don't care about justice for the war crimes my country regularly commits or hate the people who order these crimes to be committed - those victims were brown and poor. But you put a handful of peoples lives in danger (?) to relay that information....scum of the earth."

It must be nice to live in your fantasy world where we don't need to spy on people and kill people to protect ourselves and others
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Hey dummy this isnt an either or situation and none of us are 15 anymore.

This doesn't have to be "either commit war crimes or commit treason" only the small minded cant see past that.

There are all sorts of things manning or snowden could have done to address their concerns.

They both chose the option of destruction and selfishness and endangered their coworkers and our soldiers and spies. Theyre assholes. Theyre criminals.

Commuting her sentence is the worst thing obama did.
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Unknown_voter posted...

liberals: "I don't care about justice for the war crimes my country regularly commits or hate the people who order these crimes to be committed - those victims were brown and poor. But you put a handful of peoples lives in danger (?) to relay that information....scum of the earth."

And how has relaying that information... helped any of these people?

America hates non-white people. This is highly amazing news that no one knew, and we absolutely needed to compromise people to get that news across.
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UItimaterializer posted...

Uh oh, special snowflakes are making sure people get NKLs again.

Liberals need censorship and moderation at all times. They cannot win debates in a free market of open ideas, and that's why the people who don't come here all know this topic is trash.

It's not long until saying you're pro-Trump is a justifiable moderation for being "offensive" because supporting him is "racist"
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it must be nice to live in your fantasy world where any war we are a part of currently has had protecting ourselves being even a small component of the reason we involved ourselves.

Eddv posted...

Commuting her sentence is the worst thing obama did.

Nope. He pardoned an actual terrorist who was transporting bombs used to kill civilians in the name of Puerto Rican independence as well.

The man really was incredibly awful in those regards
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Conservatives know to judge people by the content of their character, don't forget.

XFD

that said

Nelson_Mandela posted...

Unknown_voter posted...

liberals: "I don't care about justice for the war crimes my country regularly commits or hate the people who order these crimes to be committed - those victims were brown and poor. But you put a handful of peoples lives in danger (?) to relay that information....scum of the earth."

It must be nice to live in your fantasy world where we don't need to spy on people and kill people to protect ourselves and others

I completely agree with this sentiment and disagree with the notion that Chelsea Manning did anything resembling a good thing.

Nelson_Mandela posted...

Eddv posted...

Commuting her sentence is the worst thing obama did.

Nope. He pardoned an actual terrorist who was transporting bombs used to kill civilians in the name of Puerto Rican independence as well.

The man really was incredibly awful in those regards

Manning is still worse.
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Eddv posted...

Hey dummy this isnt an either or situation and none of us are 15 anymore.

This doesn't have to be "either commit war crimes or commit treason" only the small minded cant see past that.

There are all sorts of things manning or snowden could have done to address their concerns.

They both chose the option of destruction and selfishness and endangered their coworkers and our soldiers and spies. Theyre assholes. Theyre criminals.

Commuting her sentence is the worst thing obama did.

flaming me as a 15 year old - calling others assholes

you support numerous people who want to and openly advocate for war crimes

making the public aware of what our government does- how it operates- the evils it commits, is not something that could be addressed internally.

soldiers and spies sign up for a job where they can get killed, and are working for a largely evil empire and know the risks they are getting into

if you think commuting a prison sentence is worse than obamas numerous war crimes then you are the 15 year old

Eddv posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

Eddv posted...

Commuting her sentence is the worst thing obama did.

Nope. He pardoned an actual terrorist who was transporting bombs used to kill civilians in the name of Puerto Rican independence as well.

The man really was incredibly awful in those regards

Manning is still worse.

Arguably more damaging. But the nerve to pardon someone directly responsible for killing people in a terror attack is ridiculous.

I've never been angrier when that scumbag Lin Manuel Miranda went to Twitter to say how he was moved to tears by the guy's release.
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Unknown_voter posted...

Eddv posted...

Hey dummy this isnt an either or situation and none of us are 15 anymore.

This doesn't have to be "either commit war crimes or commit treason" only the small minded cant see past that.

There are all sorts of things manning or snowden could have done to address their concerns.

They both chose the option of destruction and selfishness and endangered their coworkers and our soldiers and spies. Theyre assholes. Theyre criminals.

Commuting her sentence is the worst thing obama did.

flaming me as a 15 year old - calling others assholes

you support numerous people who want to and openly advocate for war crimes

making the public aware of what our government does- how it operates- the evils it commits, is not something that could be addressed internally.

soldiers and spies sign up for a job where they can get killed, and are working for a largely evil empire and know the risks they are getting into

if you think commuting a prison sentence is worse than obamas numerous war crimes then you are the 15 year old

Now this is a curious point of view I've never really understood the point of.

Soldiers and spies know they can be killed, and understand the risks of their jobs.

So how exactly does this mean their lives are worthless and should be thrown away for no significant gain?
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Unknown_voter posted...

liberals: "I don't care about justice for the war crimes my country regularly commits or hate the people who order these crimes to be committed - those victims were brown and poor. But you put a handful of peoples lives in danger (?) to relay that information....scum of the earth."

...Did you literally just pull the "liberals" card when people from both sides are in agreement against you in this very topic, and it's mostly liberals calling her a hero?
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Unknown_voter posted...

soldiers and spies sign up for a job where they can get killed, and are working for a largely evil empire and know the risks they are getting into

I know you're trolling, but the United States "empire" has contributed more good for humanity than any entity in the history of civilization. 1 billion people liberated from tyranny in the 20th century alone.
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SupremeZero posted...

Unknown_voter posted...

liberals: "I don't care about justice for the war crimes my country regularly commits or hate the people who order these crimes to be committed - those victims were brown and poor. But you put a handful of peoples lives in danger (?) to relay that information....scum of the earth."

And how has relaying that information... helped any of these people?

America hates non-white people. This is highly amazing news that no one knew, and we absolutely needed to compromise people to get that news across.

you can't help dead people. however, it opened the eyes of many americans to how we operate. the more people in the US who are anti-imperialism, the better off the entire world will be in the future.

Unknown_voter posted...

SupremeZero posted...

Unknown_voter posted...

liberals: "I don't care about justice for the war crimes my country regularly commits or hate the people who order these crimes to be committed - those victims were brown and poor. But you put a handful of peoples lives in danger (?) to relay that information....scum of the earth."

And how has relaying that information... helped any of these people?

America hates non-white people. This is highly amazing news that no one knew, and we absolutely needed to compromise people to get that news across.

you can't help dead people. however, it opened the eyes of many americans to how we operate. the more people in the US who are anti-imperialism, the better off the entire world will be in the future.

... no. No you cannot help them now. Because you killed them by doing this. They are already dead because you already fucked up.

Meanwhile, a fair portion of the country already knew that we were shits and didn't need to compromise our people to figure that out. And a large portion of the people who don't know that still do not know that.

So, uh, congratulations.
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Unknown_voter posted...

soldiers and spies sign up for a job where they can get killed, and are working for a largely evil empire and know the risks they are getting into

...Are you literally pulling the "It's okay if they die because their cover was blown by leaks since they signed up for a job where they could die so fuck 'em they're worthless" card?
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StealThisSheen posted...

Unknown_voter posted...

liberals: "I don't care about justice for the war crimes my country regularly commits or hate the people who order these crimes to be committed - those victims were brown and poor. But you put a handful of peoples lives in danger (?) to relay that information....scum of the earth."

...Did you literally just pull the "liberals" card when people from both sides are in agreement against you in this very topic, and it's mostly liberals calling her a hero?

spoiler: there are more than 2 sides

I am a leftist, not a liberal.

Unknown_voter posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Unknown_voter posted...

liberals: "I don't care about justice for the war crimes my country regularly commits or hate the people who order these crimes to be committed - those victims were brown and poor. But you put a handful of peoples lives in danger (?) to relay that information....scum of the earth."

...Did you literally just pull the "liberals" card when people from both sides are in agreement against you in this very topic, and it's mostly liberals calling her a hero?

spoiler: there are more than 2 sides

I am a leftist, not a liberal.

That has nothing to do with my question.

You literally just tried to call out liberals when:

A. It's not just liberals who don't agree with you
and B. It's mostly liberals that DO agree with you
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Unknown_voter posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Unknown_voter posted...

liberals: "I don't care about justice for the war crimes my country regularly commits or hate the people who order these crimes to be committed - those victims were brown and poor. But you put a handful of peoples lives in danger (?) to relay that information....scum of the earth."

...Did you literally just pull the "liberals" card when people from both sides are in agreement against you in this very topic, and it's mostly liberals calling her a hero?

spoiler: there are more than 2 sides

I am a leftist, not a liberal.

... Yes. There are more than 2 sides.

So why exactly are you the one splitting people into 2 sides?
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Eddv posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

Eddv posted...

Commuting her sentence is the worst thing obama did.

Nope. He pardoned an actual terrorist who was transporting bombs used to kill civilians in the name of Puerto Rican independence as well.

The man really was incredibly awful in those regards

Manning is still worse.

Arguably more damaging. But the nerve to pardon someone directly responsible for killing people in a terror attack is ridiculous.

I've never been angrier when that scumbag Lin Manuel Miranda went to Twitter to say how he was moved to tears by the guy's release.

Oh wait i remember this now wasnt this the one with the shady conviction and only vague or circumstantial evidence that the guy actually did anything? I see that one as no different than a POW release long after a war is over honestly. I guess its a little different because he is from Puerto Rico which isnt an independent nation but still.

Still weirded out someone like Miranda would even care though.
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Are B8 conservatives calling people snowflakes because the guy who posted a bunch of racist slurs for Mexicans got modded?

Or is that about something else?
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StealThisSheen posted...

Unknown_voter posted...

soldiers and spies sign up for a job where they can get killed, and are working for a largely evil empire and know the risks they are getting into

...Are you literally pulling the "It's okay if they die because their cover was blown by leaks since they signed up for a job where they could die so fuck 'em they're worthless" card?

first of all, I have yet to see a single piece of evidence showing that a single person died as a result of those leaks. please show me some if it happened.


second, I think even if people died, the gain in recognizing the evil of our empire and its imperialism is worth it. we won't stop if people don't realize it.

The US is (for the time being; Trump doesn't seem too big on this) a force for good in the world. Yes, we've done some bad things, but it's ridiculous to act like we're comparable to countries like Russia or to dismiss our entire foreign policy as "evil."
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Is Unknown_Voter somebody we know or is it somebody hiding being an alt
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StealThisSheen posted...

Unknown_voter posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Unknown_voter posted...

liberals: "I don't care about justice for the war crimes my country regularly commits or hate the people who order these crimes to be committed - those victims were brown and poor. But you put a handful of peoples lives in danger (?) to relay that information....scum of the earth."

...Did you literally just pull the "liberals" card when people from both sides are in agreement against you in this very topic, and it's mostly liberals calling her a hero?

spoiler: there are more than 2 sides

I am a leftist, not a liberal.

That has nothing to do with my question.

You literally just tried to call out liberals when:

A. It's not just liberals who don't agree with you
and B. It's mostly liberals that DO agree with you

Everyone in the topic is a liberal who was fighting with me. SephyG has thrown in since then, I guess. If that bothers you...I mean...that sucks.

All it takes to put 90% of the people in here on the same side is for there to be shitheads like manning to bag on.
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StealThisSheen posted...

Is Unknown_Voter somebody we know or is it somebody hiding being an alt

The user formerly known as WVI/Wylvane/NotWylvane
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Eddv posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

Eddv posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

Eddv posted...

Commuting her sentence is the worst thing obama did.

Nope. He pardoned an actual terrorist who was transporting bombs used to kill civilians in the name of Puerto Rican independence as well.

The man really was incredibly awful in those regards

Manning is still worse.

Arguably more damaging. But the nerve to pardon someone directly responsible for killing people in a terror attack is ridiculous.

I've never been angrier when that scumbag Lin Manuel Miranda went to Twitter to say how he was moved to tears by the guy's release.

Oh wait i remember this now wasnt this the one with the shady conviction and only vague or circumstantial evidence that the guy actually did anything? I see that one as no different than a POW release long after a war is over honestly. I guess its a little different because he is from Puerto Rico which isnt an independent nation but still.

Still weirded out someone like Miranda would even care though.

Lopez “recruited and trained a small army of terrorists to murder his fellow Americans. He built bomb factories. He taught the young and impressionable how to make devices that would kill and maim … When he was put on trial, he admitted to doing all he had been accused of – he showed no remorse.”


Jimmy Carter also pardoned similar criminals who literally shot at members of Congress.

Good guys, those Dems.
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Eddv posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Is Unknown_Voter somebody we know or is it somebody hiding being an alt

The user formerly known as WVI/Wylvane/NotWylvane

WVI is someone different

Eddv posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Is Unknown_Voter somebody we know or is it somebody hiding being an alt

The user formerly known as WVI/Wylvane/NotWylvane

Oh hey WVI!
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