Board 8 > ~FIGHT!~ Dante/Shulk/Yuri/J& C/Sorey/Mewtwo vs. Id/Revan/Kuja/ Nova/Sephirot

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I word for word said. Can I ping someone to a match to let them know it is going on or is that considered rallying? Youbsaid as long as I do not ask them to vote for me it is not rallying.

This assumes you're not just spamming a bunch of people in hopes of getting votes (which is, y'know, rallying). Do I really need to write a long, bulletproofed codex on what you can and can't do to reach out voters? We have the example of Alany in M4 to illustrate. You'd think it's not too complicated but if I really have to, I will put down highly precise rules that make sure you can't take actions that make the game a nuisance for those that aren't interested in it. I just assume I won't have to by default because seriously, it's not that hard. Use your own, impartial judgement setting aside your desire to win and ask if this will piss people off or not.
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TL;DR I didn't lay down specific rules because I assumed I could trust you to understand that an unspoken rule is to not make people hate this game. If you won't abide by it I can make it official that you can't call anybody up no matter what and we can leave it at that. Understood?
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

TL;DR I didn't lay down specific rules because I assumed I could trust you to understand that an unspoken rule is to not make people hate this game. If you won't abide by it I can make it official that you can't call anybody up no matter what and we can leave it at that. Understood?

Just ban me from it since you literally got asked if someone could do something and you said yes then when they do it with a disclaimer saying if you wish to not be notified about it. Just say so. And you called it harassing.

I can imagine you as a person basically saying if someone called and said hey you wanna go out to eat and you being lol stop harassing me and making me hate eating out because you asked me one time.

You make no sense at all.
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Also Corrik I have no idea why you think I'd be an auto vote against you, I think I am among the top 2-3 people in respect for both Revan and Kuja.
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if we're making rules, then I suggest you can only @ people who have already posted in the fight topic or in wartime, because they've shown interest. but no hauling people in off the street.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Also Corrik I have no idea why you think I'd be an auto vote against you, I think I am among the top 2-3 people in respect for both Revan and Kuja.

*shrug*.

People seem to just vote how they vote. For example, two dantes are "duoing" my entire team despite terrain, range advantages... and despite my team's pretty good combat skills of their own.

Like, I would not take 2 dantes vs my 5 in a 50x50 caged arena.

I feel as if these teams were literally reversed, all the sudden range and terrain is a huge deal and dantes team loses.

So, I kind of just have little belief in voter neutrality in regards to leaders and just tend to chalk up votes against me by the usual bunch. Hence why I was hoping some new blood or users would look at the match without those goggles and hope they have a different outlook.
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Gatarix posted...

if we're making rules, then I suggest you can only @ people who have already posted in the fight topic or in wartime, because they've shown interest. but no hauling people in off the street.

Basically my thought process (possibly including regular voters as well). In an ideal world you tag in people who might care or have something to add (like, if a Resident Evil lore question comes up, calling up FFD makes sense if he's not opposed to it). Just mass-tagging people is a no-no though.
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The problem is Shulk, Yuri, and personalities of your mercs are counters to most of the intangibles your team has

And there's much more raw power on the other side
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

Gatarix posted...

if we're making rules, then I suggest you can only @ people who have already posted in the fight topic or in wartime, because they've shown interest. but no hauling people in off the street.

Basically my thought process (possibly including regular voters as well). In an ideal world you tag in people who might care or have something to add (like, if a Resident Evil lore question comes up, calling up FFD makes sense if he's not opposed to it). Just mass-tagging people is a no-no though.

Heaven forbid if you ask someone that might get interested in the game if they were interested in looking it over. Mercs has to be some niche game where the same ppl vote on the same shit each and ever week. No new playrs can be asked if they are interested literally over the counter.
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Sure they can. Just the context here is that you are desperate for votes.
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Lopen posted...

The problem is Shulk, Yuri, and personalities of your mercs are counters to most of the intangibles your team has

And there's much more raw power on the other side

Which personalities of my mercs in what way?

Revan is a highly intelligent strategic leader. Nova is like the perfect soldier.they are like the perfect pair
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yeah I don't think Dante x2 literally duos, but when you add in Shulk, Yuri, and Sorey for the fusion boost, there's both a substantial raw power advantage and good counters to sniper cheese
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I like being the RE loremaster tbqh
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greengravy294 posted...

Sure they can. Just the context here is that you are desperate for votes.

I am hoping for new voters with a fresh perspective instead of the usual mercs hivemind group yes.
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Well, assuming sniping Mewtwo doesn't work, which I think is likely given what Shulk has been told to be able to do, I see the best possible strategy being for Kuja to fly orbital and just drop bombs, and Sephiroth to play bodyguard vs Yuri who is the best option to stop Kuja. But I don't really see that as likely given the personalities of Kuja and Seph, nor do I think it would be automatically known that that's the optimal mode of action
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funny how you mention this when probably 75% of today's voters didn't vote for dante in a far more valuable terrain for him in a far more important match way back when.
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Lopen posted...

Well, assuming sniping Mewtwo doesn't work, which I think is likely given what Shulk has been told to be able to do, I see the best possible strategy being for Kuja to fly orbital and just drop bombs, and Sephiroth to play bodyguard vs Yuri who is the best option to stop Kuja. But I don't really see that as likely given the personalities of Kuja and Seph, nor do I think it would be automatically known that that's the optimal mode of action

The question is why you do not think Revan would not know that is the best course of action if the enemy team is able to traverse the large terrain and get into the gated stronghold?

Like, I think a master tactician and strategist who has precog that goes years ahead can foresee that as being the winning strategy should the initial defense fail.


I am also not convinced Shulk could precog Revan. Revan has master powers of corruption over senses and has corrupted hundreds if not more of Jedi's minds.

I am not entirely convinced he cannot feed Shulk wrong information the entire time. Revan I believe to be a much stronger precog based on his feats compared to Shulk.
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I believe Novas personality is easily to pick off the group 1 by 1 and the enemies group is not to walk up in a Phalanx formation or something as a group.

I also believe the size of the terrain dictates she could get off perhaps 50-100 shots before the enemy is at the base.

Almost no enemies are highly armored to live a clean shot. And even a leg or something getting tagged is basically a kill on this terrain.
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Pretty sure Jedi precog is not to the level of specificity that would be needed to know the exact set of strengths and weaknesses of the enemy team in a single skirmish
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Shulk is literally god incarnate that knows all events: past, present, and future. So uh yeah. He knows the absolute truth of the future in canon. No matter the random tidbits of "Darth Revan" you pull up from EU it doesn't change Shulk's canonical appearance in XBC.
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Lopen posted...

Pretty sure Jedi precog is not to the level of specificity that would be needed to know the exact set of strengths and weaknesses of the enemy team in a single skirmish

Well, his precog was used in many battles. He broke the will of his enemies by always knowing what to do.

His main speciality was his use of his powers over others with such powers. His powers of precog, concealing powers from others, and corrupting their powers themself were his major accomplishments. Along with his force draining which plays no real role in this battle.
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greengravy294 posted...

Shulk is literally god incarnate that knows all events: past, present, and future. So uh yeah. He knows the absolute truth of the future in canon. No matter the random tidbits of "Darth Revan" you pull up from EU it doesn't change Shulk's canonical appearance in XBC.

Id is literally god incarnate . Your point?
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Mewtwo and co.
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I have zero doubt Shulk is maybe the power of God or such from his planet or whatever.

But, I also know Revan has probably encountered many people who felt they were gods because they had powers others did not in the Galaxy.

Revan's power is much more widescale and larger in scope.
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You keep on using Darth Revan as the example though even though it's not EU Revan. It's KOTOR Revan, specificially:

"He is a Neutral Scoundrel/Sentinel, has access to his best non-broken equipment and access to all his Force powers as seen in KOTOR save for those in the Persuasion, Stun, Shutdown, Strangulation, and Fear chains."

Like you're just adding force powers he doesn't have, on top of a major difference in personality/experience.
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That's actually Fei and he doesn't show any signs of precognition now does he.
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Well Fei/Id are the same guy, it's just one personality was holding the other back from their potential. Fei because he didn't know what he was, Id because he was always trying to keep a lid on Fei to avoid passing out and Fei taking over

This version is a weird hypothetical Mercs...thing where Id isn't held back by Fei, so
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KJH posted...

You keep on using Darth Revan as the example though even though it's not EU Revan. It's KOTOR Revan, specificially:

"He is a Neutral Scoundrel/Sentinel, has access to his best non-broken equipment and access to all his Force powers as seen in KOTOR save for those in the Persuasion, Stun, Shutdown, Strangulation, and Fear chains."

Like you're just adding force powers he doesn't have, on top of a major difference in personality/experience.

How does he not have the powers? Darth Revan was just as strong when he was a Jedi.

His power is not dictated by his alignment. His power is his power. Just because he was a Darth in the canon Kotor source does not mean he is not that strong because he chose to be neutral in alignment.

He would be the strongest force being whether light Dark or Neutral. He just applied it differently.
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DeathChicken posted...

Well Fei/Id are the same guy, it's just one personality was holding the other back from their potential. Fei because he didn't know what he was, Id because he was always trying to keep a lid on Fei to avoid passing out and Fei taking over

This version is a weird hypothetical Mercs...thing where Id isn't held back by Fei, so

Fei is stronger than a pure Id as he has everything to draw upon.
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I will never understand the Dante overrating that you guys do. Team Sephiroth
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ExThaNemesis posted...

I will never understand the Dante overrating that you guys do. Team Sephiroth

Me either. Like I am trying to think of Revan vs Dante in a 1v1. And, I could see many situations where Revan wins that fight. Like, Dante shoots bullets. Okay. They melt into his saber. He can't block his lightsaber in anyway. So many mercs get mad disrespected. Lightsabers and Warp Blades would cut through basically almost every thing in mercs.


Sephiroth has feats of cutting through heavy metal structures.

All tossed aside. Don't get it.
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nice job rallying a guaranteed sephiroth bias vote pal
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greengravy294 posted...

nice job rallying a guaranteed sephiroth bias vote pal

Sorry not everyone has the respect that Dante can traverse miles of terrain dodging spells and sniper bullets with ease to go solo a fortress of mercs.
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I voted for you Corrik but Extha is an obvious sephiroth bias vote.
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Vote: Dante
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I voted for you Corrik but Extha is an obvious sephiroth bias vote.

Gravy mentioned calling in the "cavalry" with KJH in regards to his team in the match not even 5 minutes before his vote. And Dante has countless bias votes.

So I mean, someone else liking Sephiroth is cool. It is a wide range of opinions. Never hurts.

More votals the better.


Sorry you see the match that way, Scarlet. = (
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Well, if you hadn't pinged me, you wouldn't be down another vote. Think of it that way!
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Well, if you hadn't pinged me, you wouldn't be down another vote. Think of it that way!

I was looking for more interested voters and hoping they just saw it more favorable for my team!
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Looking purely at the characters (which is all I care about), I see no reason why any of your team could even stop Mewtwo.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Looking purely at the characters (which is all I care about), I see no reason why any of your team could even stop Mewtwo.

Holy shit.
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Revan would be the only one with possible defense. But he is weaker than Sephiroth and Kuja and his ass his grass when Mewtwo mentally manipulates them to kill Revan.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Revan would be the only one with possible defense. But he is weaker than Sephiroth and Kuja and his ass his grass when Mewtwo mentally manipulates them to kill Revan.

You think Mewtwo is stronger than Revan and Nova in psionic powers?
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I think it doesn't matter. Sephiroth is mentally unhinged and susceptible to psionic manipulation. Kuja has no known counter to it either and I think the team eating itself from within is enough for the double Dante situation.
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when you roast yourself
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heh
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Well, can Mewtwo even get into range to use such a power? And would Revan not overpower Mewtwo's ability?
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scarletspeed7 posted...

I think it doesn't matter. Sephiroth is mentally unhinged and susceptible to psionic manipulation. Kuja has no known counter to it either and I think the team eating itself from within is enough for the double Dante situation.

This is Neutral Alignment Sephiroth. And not Cloud Strife. Surely, he is not that unhinged! Lol
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Mewtwo has demonstrated a range of at least 20-30 miles. And Mewtwo can see the field in detail whereas Revan just as the ability to sense a presence and that's it. Revan can't formulate strategies and he wouldn't know what to guard himself against. Mental manipulation almost always can win unless you have a character who specifically can protect his entire team from it.
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Revan

He seems powerful enough that he would win easy.
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Corrik posted...

This is Neutral Alignment Sephiroth.

Does neutral alignment Sephiroth not have the Norman Bates-esque maternal fixation?
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