Board 8 > Mercenaries 4 Mafia Endgame: Just as satisfying a conclusion as the source!

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pjbasis posted...

The answer lies in the heart of battle

solo shoto forever
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I wasn't very scummy. More crazy with grief than anything.
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greengravy294 posted...

Also I'm a bit sad I wasn't claimed as Town Roleblocker. That was a very clever flavor request from Kanz. On the flipside, Chris as Untargetable was...well, a really hard sale. Really really hard.

I wanted to claim you so bad but it just wasn't meant to be
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I enjoyed double voting and didn't screw up, but also nothing I did mattered, but also I was super distracted by various things anyway. All in all I give it a solid thumbs up. I was ready to go hard day four, but my double vote was gone by then so I would have just gotten lynched for it anyway.
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Yeah Survivor is still undoubtedly the hardest role to play well. Play too well and you get nightkilled, you need a claim good enough to keep scanners off your back, and you can't play too under the radar or you get lynched.

We should probably scrap it tbh.
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lets just forget all the times you renged on deals we made

anyway i have mentally buried the hatchet chris, the game is over so whatever hope you've been good and stuff
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Leo3L posted...

This is the second game IGCD has intentionally thrown as Town. Not cool, dude

Should've just reposted my 2016 flavor tbqh.
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greengravy294 posted...

lets just forget all the times you renged on deals we made

anyway i have mentally buried the hatchet chris, the game is over so whatever hope you've been good and stuff

Not like it really matters but I can't remember ever reneging on a single deal we had.

Now granted I can't remember a single deal I even made the last six months of the game, which probably contributes to it.
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Leo3L posted...

gotten lynched for it anyway.

I think Lopen could have bailed you out. 12 was the number for playoffs team. And I said Alany was banned at endgame. Well that wasn't exactly when she was banned. I spitballed that, but it was a nice symbolic number. So yeah.
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Corrik was my real eye opener from the game, he was far less antagonistic and still got results, I was impressed.
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I did find it funny that Kanz and JB did literally confirm me town from how much they responded to my questioning on day 2. Was funny as hell to look back at, and even though it made it moot I couldn't help pointing it out for reactions either.
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Aww man. I guess I need to work on convincing people to vote (or unvote). Tried to, but I guess calling people Obvtown just makes me look scummy, and jumping my votes between my scum reads every 12 hours gets old XD I dont think I voted anyone but Tony and Scare the entire last two days. (Except when IGCD first claimed scum, but only for a sec)

Oddity, it was especially fun playing with you. Mainly because I totally understand your "soul reads" stuff. I kinda play off that too. People asked me for evidence a lot, and I did struggle to bring any up.
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i love my flavor
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Also, I should have voted Scare, but for some dumb reason I thought that 30 extra minutes of talking would be cool to have since everyone was active. Didnt even realize Scare had jumped to Oddity and that it could all be compromised.
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Lazy watcher, A++ flavor.
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oh yeah!

JC's role was flavored around the whole ganon CONSPIRACY theory that jc was in LEAGUE with the badmins

this wasn't really obscure but it was like an early game thing. surprised lopen missed the connection.
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well i'm glad the players enjoyed their roles (i think)
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I am so sorry to the town. I lost all motivation after missing a large portion of the early game. For this reason, I am gonna take Chris's game off.
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Am legit sick and pinch nerve and Easter stuff so all my reasons to not be around are legit it just worked out in my favor
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ScareChan posted...

Am legit sick and pinch nerve and Easter stuff so all my reasons to not be around are legit it just worked out in my favor

s'all good feel better soon dude.
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Well done Mzero. I started having doubts about your alignment with your arguments against death (and your stubborness on me), but your early pick of FFDragon's flavor for lopen really bought you townpoints with me. Well, I felt good about my reads at least. The reason I wanted to find the third scum is because then I have the game figured out. *shakes head at Death* It was real fun playing with you, too ben. It was refreshing to have such an easy town read, don't know why but I got it in spades from you. Scare, your ballsy miller claim really bought you time to coast from me. Good deal. I had you at endgame but... eh.. it happens. Also, if I would have gone to final 3 with ben, I would have seriously considered voting ben, because it's too obvious otherwise lol.
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Well I planned to claim miller anyways, and then Ben claimed miller and I thought it was perfect to have conflicting miller claims where you could reason both of them. So Ben's joke helped a lot and gave me a lot of room to coast on the way day 1 went


and yeah Zero was really good at not being on anyones scum list at all, great play there.

And whoever said my claim was bad can just shut it as all the mercs players accepted it as being real so nyah
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I think that I have won every game I have played since I came back to mafia, Sick
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

Full disclosure, my claim was absolute hot garbage but Leo's meta was stupid - as seen with PJ and Ark, it was basically working off of mistaken assumptions - the real issue is I should never have humored Corrik, because I KNEW he was lying and just got nervous with so many votes on me. My bad, and I won't let my scumteam down like that next time!

I knew you were scum with how you responded to voting ulti. That said, game was imbalanced and toan sucked ass.
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

BTW, my MVP vote is between Miz and Scare

Scare flew under the radar perfectly with a super ballsy claim, but Miz had EVERYONE thinking he was town. Overall I think MVP: MZero is the right call, but Scare is my HM. Super well done by both!

Scare was easy as can be scum. I couldnt say that early but there was clearly no town cop which made miller a big nuh uh. But again town sucked too much to figure that out.
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And yes mzero was best scum
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sure it makes sense if you only think about it for 5 seconds
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Corrik posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

BTW, my MVP vote is between Miz and Scare

Scare flew under the radar perfectly with a super ballsy claim, but Miz had EVERYONE thinking he was town. Overall I think MVP: MZero is the right call, but Scare is my HM. Super well done by both!

Scare was easy as can be scum. I couldnt say that early but there was clearly no town cop which made miller a big nuh uh. But again town sucked too much to figure that out.

I thought about it, but I've learned in the past that it could easily just be host throwing people off. For example, there was a godfather
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benjamin3740 posted...

Corrik posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

BTW, my MVP vote is between Miz and Scare

Scare flew under the radar perfectly with a super ballsy claim, but Miz had EVERYONE thinking he was town. Overall I think MVP: MZero is the right call, but Scare is my HM. Super well done by both!

Scare was easy as can be scum. I couldnt say that early but there was clearly no town cop which made miller a big nuh uh. But again town sucked too much to figure that out.

I thought about it, but I've learned in the past that it could easily just be host throwing people off. For example, there was a godfather

Godfather gave back a false merc result.
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Corrik posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Corrik posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

BTW, my MVP vote is between Miz and Scare

Scare flew under the radar perfectly with a super ballsy claim, but Miz had EVERYONE thinking he was town. Overall I think MVP: MZero is the right call, but Scare is my HM. Super well done by both!

Scare was easy as can be scum. I couldnt say that early but there was clearly no town cop which made miller a big nuh uh. But again town sucked too much to figure that out.

I thought about it, but I've learned in the past that it could easily just be host throwing people off. For example, there was a godfather

Godfather gave back a false merc result.

...and how were we as town supposed to know any of that?
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For a miller tow rok he would have to ve told his results gives back a false merc result which would be giving him too much information to the player
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MenuWars posted...

Corrik posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Corrik posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

BTW, my MVP vote is between Miz and Scare

Scare flew under the radar perfectly with a super ballsy claim, but Miz had EVERYONE thinking he was town. Overall I think MVP: MZero is the right call, but Scare is my HM. Super well done by both!

Scare was easy as can be scum. I couldnt say that early but there was clearly no town cop which made miller a big nuh uh. But again town sucked too much to figure that out.

I thought about it, but I've learned in the past that it could easily just be host throwing people off. For example, there was a godfather

Godfather gave back a false merc result.

...and how were we as town supposed to know any of that?

You weren't. You were spose to know a miller wasny in the game.
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Considering I've played in games with millers and no cops, it's not as sure a fire tell as you're making it seem, and even then I brought it up. If Death hadn't been sleeping at time, today plays out differently. Scum played well, you said Death and JB was town town. So it's not like you played perfectly, so I don't see why you're so bent out of shape about it.
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MenuWars posted...

Considering I've played in games with millers and no cops, it's not as sure a fire tell as you're making it seem, and even then I brought it up. If Death hadn't been sleeping at time, today plays out differently. Scum played well, you said Death and JB was town town. So it's not like you played perfectly, so I don't see why you're so bent out of shape about it.

Ignoring the miller claim, scare hit his scumtell anyways.

That said, town lost when they tried to lynch igcd which was craziness.
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Wow Corrik it's like you missed when he totally slipped and admitted he was the last scum and the game was going to end when they lynched him! Very Freudian slip.


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Oddity posted...

Well done Mzero. I started having doubts about your alignment with your arguments against death (and your stubborness on me), but your early pick of FFDragon's flavor for lopen really bought you townpoints with me. Well, I felt good about my reads at least. The reason I wanted to find the third scum is because then I have the game figured out. *shakes head at Death* It was real fun playing with you, too ben. It was refreshing to have such an easy town read, don't know why but I got it in spades from you. Scare, your ballsy miller claim really bought you time to coast from me. Good deal. I had you at endgame but... eh.. it happens. Also, if I would have gone to final 3 with ben, I would have seriously considered voting ben, because it's too obvious otherwise lol.

Good game man, seriously you put up a good fight at the end. Also, you were the only Town to vote me the entire game!

Also I was super frustrated I couldn't get that Death lynch to go through in the end. I was so proud of it, building a mislynch to save Kanz. Ah well.
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Leo3L posted...

Wow Corrik it's like you missed when he totally slipped and admitted he was the last scum and the game was going to end when they lynched him! Very Freudian slip.

He was beyond pissed at the game and lost it over hiw dumb they were. Confirmed to go nowhere night 1. All you needed to know.
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I was being sarcastic for the record
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at least I got to avoid my own mislynch
but well done Mzero you had me fooled

and Tony played well too
even if we had lynched Scare, I doubt I would have lynched you two

but eh I consider most of this game a wash, since I didnt even want to play in it
work and Persona5 took too much time away
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Oh and
No
Justin didnt replace out because he drew a vanilla
glad people stopped saying that after a while
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I think that game was kinda rigged against town. 5 scum + survivor with a fairly weak town ability set. No cop! I was SURE Death fakeclaimed pjbasis and was cop. Like I probably should've been a full watcher at least imo.

MZero did well. I started to think "you know this guy might be scum" when he absolutely wouldn't drop the Death idea, but I didn't fully explore that-- I blame the modkill day ending early, though really I thought two scum were left and it was Oddity + Scare, and I wouldn't have really gone into MZero all that much. Much more confidence in Scare though, so if I was alive I would've pushed for that first.

Tony did well too. He was even more off my radar than MZero, but he was on the radar of others. I probably should've followed my gut that the Tom as vanilla claim didn't make sense.

Overall I think town was bad (TWO MODKILLS) but I also think scum did well. But honestly between the two modkills, Ulti thinking that being obnoxious as hell is smart play, and me causing the lynch of two scum consecutively being argued by town members as a scum gambit, and much of the town being basically inactive, that I'm considering going back into retirement after this debacle. Or at the very least being much more judicious with the player list contents in games I consider joining. Just not the kinda games that are fun to play.
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Also saying IGCD was obvtown is dumb. Like the dude was straight up caught in a contradiction stemming from him making BS reasons for voting

That's literally textbook scum behavior. It speaks to how terrible he was as town that he was nailed to the wall so badly as town.
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Tiers. I did em for CT so may as well do em here.

In a few more games you may be as good as Lopen tier

Corrik
Lopen
MZero
ChaosTony

You've had better games (probably) tier

Kanzaris
Ben
Scarechan

Too clever for your own good tier

MenuWars
Leo
Death

Being active more than 12% of the time helps tier

Johnbobb
Oddity
Eaed
HM: Leo, Death, and Jaded_Eye

Died too soon tier

VI
""Sir"" ""Chris""

Clown status tier

IfGodCouldDie
Jaded_Eye
Ulti
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Lopen posted...

I think that game was kinda rigged against town. 5 scum + survivor with a fairly weak town ability set. No cop! I was SURE Death fakeclaimed pjbasis and was cop. Like I probably should've been a full watcher at least imo.

MZero did well. I started to think "you know this guy might be scum" when he absolutely wouldn't drop the Death idea, but I didn't fully explore that-- I blame the modkill day ending early, though really I thought two scum were left and it was Oddity + Scare, and I wouldn't have really gone into MZero all that much. Much more confidence in Scare though, so if I was alive I would've pushed for that first.

Tony did well too. He was even more off my radar than MZero, but he was on the radar of others. I probably should've followed my gut that the Tom as vanilla claim didn't make sense.

Overall I think town was bad (TWO MODKILLS) but I also think scum did well. But honestly between the two modkills, Ulti thinking that being obnoxious as hell is smart play, and me causing the lynch of two scum consecutively being argued by town members as a scum gambit, and much of the town being basically inactive, that I'm considering going back into retirement after this debacle. Or at the very least being much more judicious with the player list contents in games I consider joining. Just not the kinda games that are fun to play.

fwiw I think if you remove the two modkills you and the rest of town kinda rolled us. I feel like all of us (except Miz, dude KILLED IT) had bigger or smaller holes in our scum games, enough so that we would've gotten caught before everyone could be killed. Just really sucks that a pair of MKs swung the game because it was a really really interesting one up until townies started suiciding.
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the modkills didnt help

still hate IGCD for his stunt

but yeah only having 2 mislynches and so little info is still harsh, at least remove the SK is what I would have done
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Lopen posted...

Also saying IGCD was obvtown is dumb. Like the dude was straight up caught in a contradiction stemming from him making BS reasons for voting

That's literally textbook scum behavior. It speaks to how terrible he was as town that he was nailed to the wall so badly as town.

I told you prior to the game. A lot of bad players do things as town that you cannot consider them scumtells. IGCD is an extremely poor scum player who will always make it beyond obvious he is scum. You should NEVER worry about him being scum until you have to.

9 our of 10 times, he kills himself as scum anyways.

Going nowhere night 1 is 9 out of 10 times a Town Vanilla. Scum usually has enough powers to use an ability down the board night 1. Unless game is low power which becomes obvious as the game wears on.

And yes game was imbalanced due to survivor and due to not flipping scums abilities upon death.
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Was scare's ability one use or multiple?
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MenuWars posted...

Was scare's ability one use or multiple?

Infinite use, which makes sense since it's basically garbage.
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

MenuWars posted...

Was scare's ability one use or multiple?

Infinite use, which makes sense since it's basically garbage.

Didn't it enable you to have two roleblocks per night?
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I got safeclaimed? Excellent.
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