Current Events > If a girl wears skimpy clothing and guys give her attention, is it her fault?

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Her fault for what
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shes a beauty queen?
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Blastia posted...

Her fault for what

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Funkydog posted...

Blastia posted...

Her fault for what

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For da attention
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People treat you how you dress, if she dresses up like a whore and doesn't like me cat calling her or hitting on her then that is her fault for going outside dressed like that and not expecting men to think "she's easy" or is an actual hooker.

Women need to understand that if they are dressed like a cheap whore men will think that is what they are, not hard or difficult to understand.
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Offworlder1 posted...

People treat you how you dress, if she dresses up like a whore and doesn't like me cat calling her or hitting on her then that is her fault for going outside dressed like that and not expecting men to think "she's easy" or is an actual hooker.

Women need to understand that if they are dressed like a cheap whore men will think that is what they are, not hard or difficult to understand.

Imagine thinking that catcalling is deserved because of an outfit
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V-E-G-Y- posted...

For da attention

Then yes because they're basically asking for attention. Biology wise, it's what men are programed to do.
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Anyway, as for my opinion: receiving attention is one thing. Like if you're at a bar and a girl is dressed up and appears to be single then sure, hit on her. But making obscene gestures in public because you feel like she deserves it is just fuckitude.

How about this: don't treat people like shit, regardless of their outfit. Privately judge them if you like, nothing wrong with that.
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It's not against the law to stare or hand out a tasteful compliment. If women don't want that they shouldn't wear things that accentuate their bosom or ass. In that case yes it's their fault.

Now illegal things a person may do because a lady is dressed provocative are absolutely not the ladies fault, it's everyone's responsibility to follow the law and never an excuse.

I will say though, if I was a woman who liked to show off the goods I would always carry mace at the very least. There's a lot of creeps who can't control their impulses and give no fucks about the law.
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If she's just dressing that way, no. It depends on how she acts.
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i think the only time any person should expect to be hit on is at the club.

if you're at the club, dressed sexy, and you get triggered by dudes talking to you, then dont go to the fucking club.
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Yes definitely. You don't dress like a whore and not want attention. Granted that the attention isn't forceful.

I'd go as far to say she's asking for cat calling and whatever else too, although I'm not a cat calling sort of guy.
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@pinky0926
If a woman is going to wear clothes with her tits on display or with a skirt barely covering her ass then she is dressed the same as a street walker/hooker and should not be surprised men cat call or comment to her.

Instead of dressing in a way that shows off the goods how about dressing more practically and professionally ?
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Offworlder1 posted...

@pinky0926
If a woman is going to wear clothes with her tits on display or with a skirt barely covering her ass then she is dressed the same as a street walker/hooker and should not be surprised men cat call or comment to her.

Instead of dressing in a way that shows off the goods how about dressing more practically and professionally ?

Why not take it a step further? If a woman has a big fat juicy ass that's bulging through her dress, it's practically an invitation to rape her. She should tone it down, right? I mean, it's her fault if something happens. Men are savage creatures that just can't and shouldn't be expected to control their impulses.

/s
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So that's all it took for you to equate sexual attention to rape?

This is probably why people don't take you seriously on these issues.
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While I no doubt think sexual harassment happens to ladies, It is always funny that when they do this stuff half of the harassment isn't anything. I mean they have one clip a guy saying how you doing, and another clip of a guy guy saying beautiful to someone else as the girl walked by.
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cjsdowg posted...

While I no doubt think sexual harassment happens to ladies, It is always funny that when they do this stuff half of the harassment isn't anything. I mean they have one clip a guy saying how you doing, and another clip of a guy guy saying beautiful to someone else as the girl walked by.

As I recall that video was shut down hard by a guy doing it and getting more unsolicited attention, and of course managing not to look like a self made victim.
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Really going to go there ?, seriously trying that old BS here like women are completely innocent and are not looking for any attention.

Come on now, I am seriously tempted to hand this over to my girlfriend so it's another woman calling this BS out.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

So that's all it took for you to equate sexual attention to rape?

This is probably why people don't take you seriously on these issues.

Since you're being wilfully obtuse enough to ignore the obvious hyperbole, I guess I should spell it out: some jackass saying "nice tits sweetheart" when you're walking around in public shouldn't be brushed off as "sexual attention". Guess what, that shit is awful. Her outfit choice is not an invitation to be a creep.
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If the shoes fits...
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Of course it is. Women seem to think that they can dress to impress and only be happy when a guy who they find attractive looks at them, but complain if anyone else does.

I like the poll results
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Offworlder1 posted...

Really going to go there ?, seriously trying that old BS here like women are completely innocent and are not looking for any attention.

Come on now, I am seriously tempted to hand this over to my girlfriend so it's another woman calling this BS out.

I'd ask my fiancee, but I already know that not a week goes by where she doesn't get catcalled by some guy on the street despite wearing jeans a normal top most of the time.

But hey, I guess it's her fault for being attractive.

Incidentally, you might have missed the only female poster in this topic who apparently agrees with me. #17.
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Pinky0926 has there ever been a time where you are not claiming that women are only the victims ?, are you honestly saying that women's only answer to this is playing the "poor me" card and asking for pity ?

Theres a reason women dress sexy and if a guy they find attractive hits on them they never complain about it but if it's someone they don't want they scream "sexual harassment".
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Offworlder1 posted...

Pinky0926 has there ever been a time where you are not claiming that women are only the victims ?, are you honestly saying that women's only answer to this is playing the "poor me" card and asking for pity ?

Theres a reason women dress sexy and if a guy they find attractive hits on them they never complain about it but if it's someone they don't want they scream "sexual harassment".

Where did I say women are only the victims? My point is pretty straightforward here and actually has nothing to do with women's behaviour at all. Men should not be creeps full stop.

Do women want attention? Sure. Do they do slutty shit at times to try and get attention? Sure. Does that mean you have a free pass to act like a creep? No. Play to your own standards, and don't give me the victim line when your argument boils down to "but she asked for it!"
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I am saying women need to think about how they dress in certain areas, some places have a crap load of creeps and those looking to be sexist.

Maybe there will still be cat calls even dressing conservatively or professionally but I'd wager there will be less of it.

Not even going to touch on the fact you seem to be calling most men creeps but I feel that would probably trigger someone who is obviously biased.

Also never said that any woman is "asking for it", what I did say was women who dress the same way a hooker does should not be surprised or shocked she will be harassed by certain men in certain areas.
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Yes. If you dont want people to look at your breast, dont have them hanging out.
Im not saying they should be harassed, but people who dress like hookers or have things hanging out in an obvious manner are literally asking for it. I dont care what anyone says. Dont cry to me about getting unwanted attention when you dress in a manner to attract attention, in specific, people staring.

she should expect people to look at her.
she should not expect people to harass her.
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If I walked around with a "kick me" sign on my back, and someone kicks me, the onus is completely on the kicker.

Sure she's "asking" for attention but it's completely up to the guy (or girls, honestly) to give her attention. Moreoever, attention comes in multiple forms ranging from welcome/from a distance/nondisruption to unwelcome/within physical space/threatening.
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Offworlder1 posted...

I am saying women need to think about how they dress in certain areas, some places have a crap load of creeps and those looking to be sexist.

Maybe there will still be cat calls even dressing conservatively or professionally but I'd wager there will be less of it.

Not even going to touch on the fact you seem to be calling most men creeps but I feel that would probably trigger someone who is obviously biased.

Also never said that any woman is "asking for it", what I did say was women who dress the same way a hooker does should not be surprised or shocked she will be harassed by certain men in certain areas.

I feel that concept is pretty naive considering how often women get creeped on even in the most objectively conservative outfits. As I mentioned, my fiancee gets these comments on her way to work while wearing jeans, or on the subway while mind her own business. I wish I could say they were all nice attempts to start conversation, instead of "smile sweetheart" or "Damn those are some fine pins".

What gets me is this argument always seem to put all the emphasis on what the woman did and how she could have avoided that situation or how she was stupid and didn't think it through better. I think the emphasis should be on people who behave creepily, not people who dress liberally.

I understand the cold logic. E.g. if you live in a bad neighbourhood be sure to lock up your house. But if someone breaks in and steals a bunch of your stuff or does something worse it's not your fault because you didn't have a stong enough bolt lock. We don't give people a hard time in that scenario for not being safe enough. We just say "some people are fucking dicks".
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I'm going with what Dave Chapelle said on this matter.
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Tisk tisk @ this topic.

For shame.

ROBANN_88 posted...

she should expect people to look at her.
she should not expect people to harass her.

This, period. It's not surprising CE is filled with either single people or awkward pretentious folk, seeing as how some of them believe a female dressing this way makes it acceptable to catcall. Catcalling is just weird, it makes you look bad and makes the girl feel uncomfortable. We're human, if somebody looks, you can't fault them, and I never would. But if you genuinely can't stop yourself from harassing a woman based on how she's dressed, I would seriously consider seeking a therapist. Unless you're some teenager going through puberty, you should have enough control of your sex drive to leave it at, at most, a peek.
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Offworlder1 posted...

I am saying women need to think about how they dress in certain areas, some places have a crap load of creeps and those looking to be sexist.

Maybe there will still be cat calls even dressing conservatively or professionally but I'd wager there will be less of it.

Not even going to touch on the fact you seem to be calling most men creeps but I feel that would probably trigger someone who is obviously biased.

Also never said that any woman is "asking for it", what I did say was women who dress the same way a hooker does should not be surprised or shocked she will be harassed by certain men in certain areas.

So women have to change the way they dress because men might act like creeps 'less often' but the men being creeps don't have to change their behavior at all and it's just a way of life? That sucks.

I like being able to look at attractive women. Pretty dumb to expect them to cover up because some men can't be responsible for their own behavior. It's not hard to treat people with respect.
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#32, #37, #38 - truth.
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pinky0926 posted...

Offworlder1 posted...

I am saying women need to think about how they dress in certain areas, some places have a crap load of creeps and those looking to be sexist.

Maybe there will still be cat calls even dressing conservatively or professionally but I'd wager there will be less of it.

Not even going to touch on the fact you seem to be calling most men creeps but I feel that would probably trigger someone who is obviously biased.

Also never said that any woman is "asking for it", what I did say was women who dress the same way a hooker does should not be surprised or shocked she will be harassed by certain men in certain areas.

I feel that concept is pretty naive considering how often women get creeped on even in the most objectively conservative outfits. As I mentioned, my fiancee gets these comments on her way to work while wearing jeans, or on the subway while mind her own business. I wish I could say they were all nice attempts to start conversation, instead of "smile sweetheart" or "Damn those are some fine pins".

What gets me is this argument always seem to put all the emphasis on what the woman did and how she could have avoided that situation or how she was stupid and didn't think it through better. I think the emphasis should be on people who behave creepily, not people who dress liberally.

I understand the cold logic. E.g. if you live in a bad neighbourhood be sure to lock up your house. But if someone breaks in and steals a bunch of your stuff or does something worse it's not your fault because you didn't have a stong enough bolt lock. We don't give people a hard time in that scenario for not being safe enough. We just say "some people are fucking dicks".

Not all women are as stupid, damaged, or crazy as you seem to believe, and for that small percent that are they will have to find their own solution to their problems, not some dumb trype. Enabling that sort of behavior only adds to the problem.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

Not all women are as stupid, damaged, or crazy as you seem to believe, and for that small percent that are they will have to find their own solution to their problems, not some dumb trype. Enabling that sort of behavior only adds to the problem.

How in the what did you reach this conclusion

I'm saying that her clothing decisions aren't a free pass for your actions, that is all.
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pinky0926 posted...

Anyway, as for my opinion: receiving attention is one thing. Like if you're at a bar and a girl is dressed up and appears to be single then sure, hit on her. But making obscene gestures in public because you feel like she deserves it is just fuckitude.

How about this: don't treat people like shit, regardless of their outfit. Privately judge them if you like, nothing wrong with that.

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Why'd you put yes underneath no in the poll? To trick people into clicking on it?

*kills your goat*
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My point is that women are not entirely innocent, not all men are creeps, and the ones that are creeps will not stop just cause women don't like it, they are assholes and do not care.

Women just need to be aware that sometimes they make poor choices in how they are dressed in certain areas where they know a lot of men are creeps.

Unless your going to violently assault the person who is harassing you then there is not much that can or will be done as creeps will always be around.
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Offworlder1 posted...

My point is that women are not entirely innocent, not all men are creeps

And how is this relevant to a guy being a creep to a woman because of the way she dressed?

Offworlder1 posted...

Women just need to be aware that sometimes they make poor choices in how they are dressed in certain areas where they know a lot of men are creeps

So it depends on the area she's walking in now?

Offworlder1 posted...

Unless your going to violently assault the person who is harassing you then there is not much that can or will be done as creeps will always be around.

Maybe other people should step in and shame people being creeps so this kind of behavior isn't encouraged. There's a reason this usually happens to women who are alone.
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jenningsnash313 posted...

This, period. It's not surprising CE is filled with either single people or awkward pretentious folk, seeing as how some of them believe a female dressing this way makes it acceptable to catcall.

I dont think anyones is saying its okay to harass.
I think most here saying yes are only speaking of attention that extends to only looking. Which yes, if its the kind of attention they dont want, its their fault for dressing that way.

Male or female, you cant go around wearing a revealing outfit and have the audacity to cry someone is looking at you. you knew full damn well before leaving the house that your breast are hanging out, and it was done on purpose for the attention. You are only crying its attention from the wrong person.

And again, when I say attention Im speaking of looking and nothing more.

Pinky0926 pretty much accused men in general as being creeps, and yes a woman dressed like a whore/hooker in a bad part of town or the city is going to encounter problems.

The people who are creeps are not the majority, most people also don't want to get involved to help others, that is the reality of today's society. Also when you step in and call out a creep you must be able to fight them should they not like you interfering with their cat calls or harassment. Most of the creeps where I live are the hoodlum, thug, redneck, or white trash variety who are the type of people who do this kind of harassment and I doubt that this is not the norm for other places.
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Offworlder1 posted...

Pinky0926 pretty much accused men in general as being creeps, and yes a woman dressed like a whore/hooker in a bad part of town or the city is going to encounter problems.

Where did he do that?

Offworlder1 posted...

The people who are creeps are not the majority, most people also don't want to get involved to help others, that is the reality of today's society. Also when you step in and call out a creep you must be able to fight them should they not like you interfering with their cat calls or harassment. Most of the creeps where I live are the hoodlum, thug, redneck, or white trash variety who are the type of people who do this kind of harassment and I doubt that this is not the norm for other places.

That seems more like "women shouldn't live in poor and dangerous places" more than "women shouldn't dress like sluts" though. If you're a woman whose alone in a place like that I'm guessing it really doesn't matter how you're dressed.

It doesn't matter that creeps aren't the majority. They exist and their behavior shouldn't be seen as acceptable anywhere.
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I mean I'd say looking at/being hit on. Catcalling tends to be a poor form of the latter, but yeah certainly not a great approach.

Anyway, women dressing provocatively to elicit responses is probably the oldest shit in the book, same with guys, go read your history people. Its a humanities thing so it should be right up your alley.
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Darmik posted...

That seems more like "women shouldn't live in poor and dangerous places" more than "women shouldn't dress like sluts" though. If you're a woman whose alone in a place like that I'm guessing it really doesn't matter how you're dressed.

It doesn't matter that creeps aren't the majority. They exist and their behavior shouldn't be seen as acceptable anywhere.

I would like to point out, a woman dressing like a slut, no matter the neighborhood is not innocent either. Society has a real problem today with giving woman a pass on everything.

If male went out in any neighborhood with his dick clearly visible in sleazy clothing, he'd be called a creep. A woman shouldnt get pass for doing it.