Blastia posted...
Her fault for what
People treat you how you dress, if she dresses up like a whore and doesn't like me cat calling her or hitting on her then that is her fault for going outside dressed like that and not expecting men to think "she's easy" or is an actual hooker.
Women need to understand that if they are dressed like a cheap whore men will think that is what they are, not hard or difficult to understand.
For da attention
@pinky0926
If a woman is going to wear clothes with her tits on display or with a skirt barely covering her ass then she is dressed the same as a street walker/hooker and should not be surprised men cat call or comment to her.
Instead of dressing in a way that shows off the goods how about dressing more practically and professionally ?
While I no doubt think sexual harassment happens to ladies, It is always funny that when they do this stuff half of the harassment isn't anything. I mean they have one clip a guy saying how you doing, and another clip of a guy guy saying beautiful to someone else as the girl walked by.
So that's all it took for you to equate sexual attention to rape?
This is probably why people don't take you seriously on these issues.
Really going to go there ?, seriously trying that old BS here like women are completely innocent and are not looking for any attention.
Come on now, I am seriously tempted to hand this over to my girlfriend so it's another woman calling this BS out.
Pinky0926 has there ever been a time where you are not claiming that women are only the victims ?, are you honestly saying that women's only answer to this is playing the "poor me" card and asking for pity ?
Theres a reason women dress sexy and if a guy they find attractive hits on them they never complain about it but if it's someone they don't want they scream "sexual harassment".
I am saying women need to think about how they dress in certain areas, some places have a crap load of creeps and those looking to be sexist.
Maybe there will still be cat calls even dressing conservatively or professionally but I'd wager there will be less of it.
Not even going to touch on the fact you seem to be calling most men creeps but I feel that would probably trigger someone who is obviously biased.
Also never said that any woman is "asking for it", what I did say was women who dress the same way a hooker does should not be surprised or shocked she will be harassed by certain men in certain areas.
she should expect people to look at her.
she should not expect people to harass her.
I am saying women need to think about how they dress in certain areas, some places have a crap load of creeps and those looking to be sexist.
Maybe there will still be cat calls even dressing conservatively or professionally but I'd wager there will be less of it.
Not even going to touch on the fact you seem to be calling most men creeps but I feel that would probably trigger someone who is obviously biased.
Also never said that any woman is "asking for it", what I did say was women who dress the same way a hooker does should not be surprised or shocked she will be harassed by certain men in certain areas.
Offworlder1 posted...
I am saying women need to think about how they dress in certain areas, some places have a crap load of creeps and those looking to be sexist.
Maybe there will still be cat calls even dressing conservatively or professionally but I'd wager there will be less of it.
Not even going to touch on the fact you seem to be calling most men creeps but I feel that would probably trigger someone who is obviously biased.
Also never said that any woman is "asking for it", what I did say was women who dress the same way a hooker does should not be surprised or shocked she will be harassed by certain men in certain areas.
I feel that concept is pretty naive considering how often women get creeped on even in the most objectively conservative outfits. As I mentioned, my fiancee gets these comments on her way to work while wearing jeans, or on the subway while mind her own business. I wish I could say they were all nice attempts to start conversation, instead of "smile sweetheart" or "Damn those are some fine pins".
What gets me is this argument always seem to put all the emphasis on what the woman did and how she could have avoided that situation or how she was stupid and didn't think it through better. I think the emphasis should be on people who behave creepily, not people who dress liberally.
I understand the cold logic. E.g. if you live in a bad neighbourhood be sure to lock up your house. But if someone breaks in and steals a bunch of your stuff or does something worse it's not your fault because you didn't have a stong enough bolt lock. We don't give people a hard time in that scenario for not being safe enough. We just say "some people are fucking dicks".
Not all women are as stupid, damaged, or crazy as you seem to believe , and for that small percent that are they will have to find their own solution to their problems, not some dumb trype. Enabling that sort of behavior only adds to the problem.
Anyway, as for my opinion: receiving attention is one thing. Like if you're at a bar and a girl is dressed up and appears to be single then sure, hit on her. But making obscene gestures in public because you feel like she deserves it is just fuckitude.
How about this: don't treat people like shit, regardless of their outfit. Privately judge them if you like, nothing wrong with that.
My point is that women are not entirely innocent, not all men are creeps
Women just need to be aware that sometimes they make poor choices in how they are dressed in certain areas where they know a lot of men are creeps
Unless your going to violently assault the person who is harassing you then there is not much that can or will be done as creeps will always be around.
This, period. It's not surprising CE is filled with either single people or awkward pretentious folk, seeing as how some of them believe a female dressing this way makes it acceptable to catcall.
Pinky0926 pretty much accused men in general as being creeps, and yes a woman dressed like a whore/hooker in a bad part of town or the city is going to encounter problems.
The people who are creeps are not the majority, most people also don't want to get involved to help others, that is the reality of today's society. Also when you step in and call out a creep you must be able to fight them should they not like you interfering with their cat calls or harassment. Most of the creeps where I live are the hoodlum, thug, redneck, or white trash variety who are the type of people who do this kind of harassment and I doubt that this is not the norm for other places.
That seems more like "women shouldn't live in poor and dangerous places" more than "women shouldn't dress like sluts" though. If you're a woman whose alone in a place like that I'm guessing it really doesn't matter how you're dressed.
It doesn't matter that creeps aren't the majority. They exist and their behavior shouldn't be seen as acceptable anywhere.