Current Events > If a girl wears skimpy clothing and guys give her attention, is it her fault?

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Women dress provocatively to be attractive. Not to be made uncomfortable by men who don't know how to control themselves.

Not all attention has to be like that at all. Getting looks, sideway glances and smiles is fine. Talking and striking a conversation depends on the context. Catcalling, creep comments, long stares with heavy breathing and being followed is not the attention she is looking for.
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asdf8562 posted...

I would like to point out, a woman dressing like a slut, no matter the neighborhood is not innocent either. Society has a real problem today with giving woman a pass on everything.

What in the world? Not innocent of what? What level of 'innocence' does she have to be where the behavior is inappropriate.

We're not even talking about giving a pass on anything. We're talking about not making people uncomfortable and harassing them. Jesus Christ.

asdf8562 posted...

If male went out in any neighborhood with his dick clearly visible in sleazy clothing, he'd be called a creep. A woman shouldnt get pass for doing it.

Because this is completely comparable right?
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asdf8562 posted...

Society has a real problem today with giving woman a pass on everything.

Yeah and we have this sick part of society that if anything is just as bad as any sociopath, manipulative and always the victim of any and every "tragedy" that really, really trivializes a lot of actual bad things. People need to go to some group sessions and hear real stories. Crazy people need to shut the fuck up and stay home away from everyone else.
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Darmik posted...

Women dress provocatively to be attractive. Not to be made uncomfortable by men who don't know how to control themselves.

Not all attention has to be like that at all. Getting looks, sideway glances and smiles is fine. Talking and striking a conversation depends on the context. Catcalling, creep comments, long stares with heavy breathing and being followed is not the attention she is looking for.

Still doesnt change what I said.

"Why not take it a step further? If a woman has a big fat juicy ass that's bulging through her dress, it's practically an invitation to rape her. She should tone it down, right? I mean, it's her fault if something happens. Men are savage creatures that just can't and shouldn't be expected to control their impulses." (post 18)


"Where did I say women are only the victims? My point is pretty straightforward here and actually has nothing to do with women's behaviour at all. Men should not be creeps full stop. " (post 29)


Those posts right there are where Pinky0926 pretty much accuses men in general of being creeps, look at the original posts if you want.

@Darmik
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Darmik posted...

Because this is completely comparable right?

My post is about being slutty, as in having your breast hanging out, t**s clearly visible, or anything else in between. So hes, a male trying to be slutty where you can clearly see where his dick is, IS actually comparable.

You are being the exact example I speaking of. Its a pass for woman to be slutty, its trying to be sexy....but a male does it and they are a creep. Regardless if you want to admit it or not, society does have double standards for both males and females on whats ok and whats not. No one said anything about being its ok to harass so it shouldnt have to be posted literally every single post when pointing out the woman is still wrong as well if you dresses slutty. Someone shouldnt have to also post yet again, "oh ya, harassment is bad." Said this already.

Offworlder1 posted...

"Why not take it a step further? If a woman has a big fat juicy ass that's bulging through her dress, it's practically an invitation to rape her. She should tone it down, right? I mean, it's her fault if something happens. Men are savage creatures that just can't and shouldn't be expected to control their impulses." (post 18)


"Where did I say women are only the victims? My point is pretty straightforward here and actually has nothing to do with women's behaviour at all. Men should not be creeps full stop. " (post 29)


Those posts right there are where Pinky0926 pretty much accuses men in general of being creeps, look at the original posts if you want.

@Darmik

No he didn't.
1. He's using the same argument you have been using for a far more significant crime to point out how stupid it is
2. Men shouldn't be creeps regardless of how a woman dresses
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P4wn4g3 posted...

I mean I'd say looking at/being hit on. Catcalling tends to be a poor form of the latter, but yeah certainly not a great approach.

Anyway, women dressing provocatively to elicit responses is probably the oldest shit in the book, same with guys, go read your history people. Its a humanities thing so it should be right up your alley.

I was addressing the catcalling thing specifically. As I pointed out in my second post in this topic, simply dressing provocatively for attention and then being hit on or talked to is a totally different kettle of fish.
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asdf8562 posted...

So hes, a male trying to be slutty where you can clearly see where his dick is, IS actually comparable.

Having a boner visible in track pants isn't similar to cleavage and short skirts no.

asdf8562 posted...

You are being the exact example I speaking of. Its a pass for woman to be slutty, its trying to be sexy....but a male does it and they are a creep. Regardless if you want to admit it or not, society does have double standards for both males and females on whats ok and whats not.

Yeah having a boner visible in public makes you a creep. What a shocker. We're not talking about visible camel toes and G-strings here. We're not talking about being obscene in public.
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Darmik I was not sure before but I am now, stop white knighting.
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pinky0926 posted...

I was addressing the catcalling thing specifically.

And you'd be pretty fucking stupid to assume everyone on the street is a perfect gentleman. This happens to guys as well, walk by the crazy homeless lady and you'll get all manner of unwanted come ons.
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Offworlder1 posted...

"Why not take it a step further? If a woman has a big fat juicy ass that's bulging through her dress, it's practically an invitation to rape her. She should tone it down, right? I mean, it's her fault if something happens. Men are savage creatures that just can't and shouldn't be expected to control their impulses." (post 18)


"Where did I say women are only the victims? My point is pretty straightforward here and actually has nothing to do with women's behaviour at all. Men should not be creeps full stop. " (post 29)


Those posts right there are where Pinky0926 pretty much accuses men in general of being creeps, look at the original posts if you want.

@Darmik

No, those posts right there indicate 1) that a slutty outfit is not an invitation to be a creep or a rapist and that 2) there is no reason to be a creep. None of this suggests that men in general are creeps.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

This happens to guys as well, walk by the crazy homeless lady and you'll get all manner of unwanted come ons.

I've never been blamed because a crazy homeless person spoke to me.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

pinky0926 posted...

I was addressing the catcalling thing specifically.

And you'd be pretty fucking stupid to assume everyone on the street is a perfect gentleman. This happens to guys as well, walk by the crazy homeless lady and you'll get all manner of unwanted come ons.

Right. So in that example is it then the guy's fault for being good looking/sharply dressed/wrong place wrong time?
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Darmik posted...

Having a boner visible in track pants isn't similar to cleavage and short skirts no.

Try rereading my post. No one mentioned a boner.

"So hes, a male trying to be slutty where you can clearly see where his dick is, IS actually comparable.
You are being the exact example I speaking of. Its a pass for woman to be slutty, its trying to be sexy....but a male does it and they are a creep. Regardless if you want to admit it or not, society does have double standards for both males and females on whats ok and whats not."

You dont have to have a boner for your dick to be visible through clothing. Just like woman, it all depends on what you where.

People for some reason don't understand the nuances of the situations at play.

You can look at a woman dressed provocatively. Not stare. Not sit closer so you can get a better look. Not follow her around the corner. But you can, within reason, look at her. Want a good standard? Picture a sweaty, fat construction worker looking at you and how much of that it would take to make you uncomfortable. There's your baseline. Don't like it? Suck eggs, buttercup. World ain't fair.

You can approach a provacatively dressed woman. Not out of the blue. Not ambush her. Think about how much you like being solicited by random people on the streets of a big city. Does it make you a bit uncomfortable? Now picture that but with a man twice your size and with overt sexual overtones. Even less comfortable, yeah? Maybe make eye contact first. Smile at her. Did she smile back? Hey, that's not a bad sign! Go introduce yourself in a neutral way, not surrounded by your friends or shouting at her across the street. Try to have an actual conversation with her, as if she were a person you'd like to know more about and not something you'd like to put your dick in. Guess what, she may not want to talk to you. Don't like it? Suck eggs, snowflake. World ain't fair.

Do handsome men get more leeway on this? Hell yeah they do. Handsome men also, shockingly, look like they take care of themselves. They also look more confident and often have put more effort into improving their social skills. Unsurprisingly, women like these things. Are you none of those things? Well, that sucks. That's your cross to bear. Just because society isn't fair and no one actually cares about your Figma collection of Sailor Moon doesn't give you license to make other people uncomfortable. Either learn to make yourself better or cope with your insecurities and frustrations in a way that isn't a detriment to others. Maybe try knitting.
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Darmik posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

This happens to guys as well, walk by the crazy homeless lady and you'll get all manner of unwanted come ons.

I've never been blamed because a crazy homeless person spoke to me.

I don't follow what you are referring to by "blamed" though I'm assuming this means people haven't pointed out it was stupid of you to approach some obviously crazy person. Probably because your friends are all rabid sjws as well, and the ones who do think you're nuts aren't going to risk being ostracized by the group. None of this indicates normal thinking.
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

People for some reason don't understand the nuances of the situations at play.

You can look at a woman dressed provocatively. Not stare. Not sit closer so you can get a better look. Not follow her around the corner. But you can, within reason, look at her. Want a good standard? Picture a sweaty, fat construction worker looking at you and how much of that it would take to make you uncomfortable. There's your baseline. Don't like it? Suck eggs, buttercup. World ain't fair.

You can approach a provacatively dressed woman. Not out of the blue. Not ambush her. Think about how much you like being solicited by random people on the streets of a big city. Does it make you a bit uncomfortable? Now picture that but with a man twice your size and with overt sexual overtones. Even less comfortable, yeah? Maybe make eye contact first. Smile at her. Did she smile back? Hey, that's not a bad sign! Go introduce yourself in a neutral way, not surround by your friends or shouting at her across the street. Try to have an actual conversation with her, as if she were a person you'd like to know more about and not something you'd like to put your dick in. Guess what, she may not want to talk to you. Don't like it? Suck eggs, snowflake. World ain't fair.

Do handsome men get more leeway on this? Hell yeah they do. Handsome men also, shockingly, look like they take care of themselves. They also look more confident and often have put more effort into improving their social skills. Unsurprisingly, women like these things. Are you none of those things? Well, that sucks. That's your cross to bear. Just because society isn't fair and no one actually cares about your Figma collection of Sailor Moon doesn't give you license to make other people uncomfortable. Either learn to make yourself better or cope with your insecurities and frustrations in a way that isn't a detriment to others. Maybe try knitting.

These aren't the points being argued. Obviously makes sense, but people are being more black and white than this.
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asdf8562 posted...

Darmik posted...

Having a boner visible in track pants isn't similar to cleavage and short skirts no.

Try rereading my post. No one mentioned a boner.

"So hes, a male trying to be slutty where you can clearly see where his dick is, IS actually comparable.
You are being the exact example I speaking of. Its a pass for woman to be slutty, its trying to be sexy....but a male does it and they are a creep. Regardless if you want to admit it or not, society does have double standards for both males and females on whats ok and whats not."

You dont have to have a boner for your dick to be visible through clothing. Just like woman, it all depends on what you where.

Having your penis visible through clothing is obscene. Just like having a vagina or nipples visible through clothing. It's not comparable at all.

If a man dressed scantily clad he'd probably be seen as gay.
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I think there is a massive difference between looking at someone and starring or yelling obnoxious comments at the person, but we can all keep on pretending that she is somehow entitled to being bothered constantly because she is pretty.

P4wn4g3 posted...

Darmik posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

This happens to guys as well, walk by the crazy homeless lady and you'll get all manner of unwanted come ons.

I've never been blamed because a crazy homeless person spoke to me.

I don't follow what you are referring to by "blamed" though I'm assuming this means people haven't pointed out it was stupid of you to approach some obviously crazy person. Probably because your friends are all rabid sjws as well, and the ones who do think you're nuts aren't going to risk being ostracized by the group. None of this indicates normal thinking.

What? We're talking about being approached. People are arguing that a woman should be responsible if a guy acts like a creep towards her. If a homeless lady approaches and follows you and acts like a creep how is that your fault?

P4wn4g3 posted...

These aren't the points being argued. Obviously makes sense, but people are being more black and white than this.

His arguments fit the topic fine and I agree with them overall.
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Dash_Harber posted...

I think there is a massive difference between looking at someone and starring or yelling obnoxious comments at the person, but we can all keep on pretending that she is somehow entitled to being bothered constantly because she is pretty.

On the flip side of things, nobody is saying guys have a free pass to act like creeps or uncontrolled pervs if a girl is hot. They don't and I tend to think that society wouldn't look kindly on them acting that way.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

Obviously makes sense, but people are being more black and white than this.

Are we? I mean my 2nd post in this topic should have made it pretty clear that there's nuance to this. It's ok to look at women, it's ok to hit on them. There's context to situations that changes some things. But it's not ok to act like a creep and she doesn't deserve that based on an outfit choice. Catcalling is creepy, so there's not a situation where that's going to be alright. It's not so hard.
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Darmik posted...

Having your penis visible through clothing is obscene. Just like having a vagina or nipples visible through clothing. It's not comparable at all.

And dressing slutty is obscene as well.
By the way, by visible, you are aware they dont have to be physically visible right. You are aware nips, and dicks can have indents on clothing, especially when done on purpose trying to look sexy? I have this gut feeling your post is referring to physically visible. For example a visible vagina in this case would be camaltoe since she would be clothed.

And yes, it is comparable.

Darmik posted...

If a man dressed scantily clad he'd probably be seen as gay.

Literally doesnt matter. It doesnt matter if the dude was gay or not, what matters in this discussion is the way the dude dressed trying to be sexy.

Blastia posted...

Her fault for what

Did anyone else read this in a Lil Jon voice?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OBPaenkxdg

asdf8562 posted...

And dressing slutty is obscene as well.

Only if your genitalia is visible IMO. I mean a guy can walk around shirtless and a woman can't. Our body types have different dress standards.

By obscene I mean like "not acceptable in society and pornographic" not "I'm a prude and this is too much for me"

asdf8562 posted...

By the way, by visible, you are aware they dont have to be physically visible right. You are aware nips, and dicks can have indents on clothing, especially when done on purpose trying to look sexy? I have this gut feeling your post is referring to physically visible. For example a visible vagina in this case would be camaltoe since she would be clothed.

You didn't say bulge. You said full blown penis. People don't care about bulges in clothes. You can't tell what a penis looks like when there's a bulge visible. Same with nips unless it's see through. You are talking like you can visibly see the shape of a penis through clothes to the point where he is seen as a creep.

asdf8562 posted...

Literally doesnt matter. It doesnt matter if the dude was gay or not, what matters in this discussion is the way the dude dressed trying to be sexy.

If he's not seen as sexy then it isn't sexy. The topic is about sexy women attracting men. Not really sure what your point is then.
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pinky0926 posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

Obviously makes sense, but people are being more black and white than this.

Are we? I mean my 2nd post in this topic should have made it pretty clear that there's nuance to this. It's ok to look at women, it's ok to hit on them. There's context to situations that changes some things. But it's not ok to act like a creep and she doesn't deserve that based on an outfit choice. Catcalling is creepy, so there's not a situation where that's going to be alright. It's not so hard.

I'm just getting the impression that you and Darmik are coming from an extreme point of view, I mean as long as we can agree there is middle ground I'm good. Yes I'd agree catcalling is creepy. I'd also say though that if you're dressing like a whore and walking by creepy guys, you're asking for it.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

pinky0926 posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

Obviously makes sense, but people are being more black and white than this.

Are we? I mean my 2nd post in this topic should have made it pretty clear that there's nuance to this. It's ok to look at women, it's ok to hit on them. There's context to situations that changes some things. But it's not ok to act like a creep and she doesn't deserve that based on an outfit choice. Catcalling is creepy, so there's not a situation where that's going to be alright. It's not so hard.

I'm just getting the impression that you and Darmik are coming from an extreme point of view, I mean as long as we can agree there is middle ground I'm good. Yes I'd agree catcalling is creepy. I'd also say though that if you're dressing like a whore and walking by creepy guys, you're asking for it.

At least I will agree with Dave Chappelle's skit on this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OBPaenkxdg
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P4wn4g3 posted...

pinky0926 posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

Obviously makes sense, but people are being more black and white than this.

Are we? I mean my 2nd post in this topic should have made it pretty clear that there's nuance to this. It's ok to look at women, it's ok to hit on them. There's context to situations that changes some things. But it's not ok to act like a creep and she doesn't deserve that based on an outfit choice. Catcalling is creepy, so there's not a situation where that's going to be alright. It's not so hard.

I'm just getting the impression that you and Darmik are coming from an extreme point of view, I mean as long as we can agree there is middle ground I'm good. Yes I'd agree catcalling is creepy. I'd also say though that if you're dressing like a whore and walking by creepy guys, you're asking for it.

Asking for sexual harassment because of the way you dress isn't 'middle-ground' at all.

People are treated differently because of the way they dress yes. Yes she will attract more attention But that doesn't open the door for creeps. That's a lame mentality to have about it.
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Context is always important. Yelling "Fire" in a crowded room versus yelling "Fire" on a firing range, for example. You are definitely responsible for your role in your stupid decisions and I'm 100% for women (not just women, mind you, this is a small part of a larger issue) being culpable for that sort of thing.
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Darmik posted...

You didn't say bulge. You said full blown penis. People don't care about bulges in clothes. You can't tell what a penis looks like when there's a bulge visible. Same with nips unless it's see through. You are talking like you can visibly see the shape of a penis through clothes to the point where he is seen as a creep.

No, I said walking around in sleezy clothes where you can clearly see where his dick is. I did not say dick physically out. "Where the dick is" isnt implying the "dick is hanging physically out." My posts are even in context to clothing as all my post are about both men and woman where revealing outfits with the key thing here being their clothes.


Darmik posted...

If he's not seen as sexy then it isn't sexy. The topic is about sexy women attracting men. Not really sure what your point is then.

Again, irrelevant. Its irreverent if you think the guy is sexy, and its irrelevant if the guy is gay or not. My point is the double standard that its ok for a females to dress like a slut and play the victim if someone as so much as looks at her(and its the unwanted guy). However have a slutty male walk around and hes a creep.

Both dressed up in sleazy clothing trying to be sexy. I feel as though this must be repeated for the 100th time, no this post doesnt say harassment is ok as my original and several other post has already covered.

Darmik posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

pinky0926 posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

Obviously makes sense, but people are being more black and white than this.

Are we? I mean my 2nd post in this topic should have made it pretty clear that there's nuance to this. It's ok to look at women, it's ok to hit on them. There's context to situations that changes some things. But it's not ok to act like a creep and she doesn't deserve that based on an outfit choice. Catcalling is creepy, so there's not a situation where that's going to be alright. It's not so hard.

I'm just getting the impression that you and Darmik are coming from an extreme point of view, I mean as long as we can agree there is middle ground I'm good. Yes I'd agree catcalling is creepy. I'd also say though that if you're dressing like a whore and walking by creepy guys, you're asking for it.

Asking for sexual harassment because of the way you dress isn't 'middle-ground' at all.

People are treated differently because of the way they dress yes. Yes she will attract more attention But that doesn't open the door for creeps. That's a lame mentality to have about it.

This right here is exactly what I mean by translating every post into, "harassment is ok."
Saying someone is asking for it =/= its ok.

P4wn4g3 posted...

Context is always important. Yelling "Fire" in a crowded room versus yelling "Fire" on a firing range, for example. You are definitely responsible for your role in your stupid decisions and I'm 100% for women (not just women, mind you, this is a small part of a larger issue) being culpable for that sort of thing.

If he's a creep towards a woman in a short skirt compared to a woman in a nun outfit it doesn't change the intent or his behavior unlike yelling fire in a cinema or shooting range.
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asdf8562 posted...

No, I said walking around in sleezy clothes where you can clearly see where his dick is. I did not say dick physically out. "Where the dick is" isnt implying the "dick is hanging physically out." My posts are even in context to clothing as all my post are about both men and woman where revealing outfits with the key thing here being their clothes.

I never said it was physically out either. You're talking about the shaft outline being visible right? In this case it's obscene yes. If he's seen as a creep or sleaze than yeah that's probably the case. Otherwise what's the problem?

asdf8562 posted...

Again, irrelevant. Its irreverent if you think the guy is sexy, and its irrelevant if the guy is gay or not. My point is the double standard that its ok for a females to dress like a slut and play the victim if someone as so much as looks at her(and its the unwanted guy). However have a slutty male walk around and hes a creep.

Both dressed up in sleazy clothing trying to be sexy. I feel as though this must be repeated for the 100th time, no this post doesnt say harassment is ok as my original and several other post has already covered.

A penis being visible through clothing makes people uncomfortable. It's genitalia. It's not even about being 'slutty' at that point. You'd be accused of being a pervert. Do you seriously think that's unfair? Should both men and women walk around shirtless too?
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Darmik posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

Context is always important. Yelling "Fire" in a crowded room versus yelling "Fire" on a firing range, for example. You are definitely responsible for your role in your stupid decisions and I'm 100% for women (not just women, mind you, this is a small part of a larger issue) being culpable for that sort of thing.

If he's a creep towards a woman in a short skirt compared to a woman in a nun outfit it doesn't change the intent or his behavior unlike yelling fire in a cinema or shooting range.

I mean at this point I just feel like you're going out of your way to be obtuse. Everybody else gets the point. I could make a million other examples here but I'm starting to think its a waste of time. I can't fix you if you actually think things like asking for directions at a crack house versus a police station are equivalent for the lost person. The reality is that people are who they are and you need to use some cultural awareness before approaching certain situations, which you clearly lack.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

Darmik posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

Context is always important. Yelling "Fire" in a crowded room versus yelling "Fire" on a firing range, for example. You are definitely responsible for your role in your stupid decisions and I'm 100% for women (not just women, mind you, this is a small part of a larger issue) being culpable for that sort of thing.

If he's a creep towards a woman in a short skirt compared to a woman in a nun outfit it doesn't change the intent or his behavior unlike yelling fire in a cinema or shooting range.

I mean at this point I just feel like you're going out of your way to be obtuse. Everybody else gets the point. I could make a million other examples here but I'm starting to think its a waste of time. I can't fix you if you actually think things like asking for directions at a crack house versus a police station are equivalent for the lost person. The reality is that people are who they are and you need to use some cultural awareness before approaching certain situations, which you clearly lack.

The thing is it's naïve to think that this is only happening to scantily clad women in poor areas. It's happening to women who are alone who are attractive to men. These men do it because there aren't going to be consequences. It's not restricted to men who are dangerous or poor. It's men from everywhere and it happens to all sorts of women who are dressed in all sorts of ways.

If I got mugged are you gonna say "well don't go asking for directions at a crack house"?

No. Because that's silly. This stuff is happening everywhere. Not just poor areas and women dressed like prostitutes. So the argument of context barely even seems relevant. If you're being a creep then you're a creep. Doesn't matter where it is or who it was to. Plain and simple.
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Here's the thing:

If you go out wearing a pikachu onesie, people will look at you, deal with it. It's something out of the norm. Wearing a tracksuit with a flame pattern like a 1960's camaro, a top hat and monocle, or Borat's mankini (if you are a guy) will also make people look, stare, and maybe even point.

Dress differently or stand out somehow and you will get attention, deal with it. Skimpy outfits fall under that category. Sure, then the guys might also notice they like what they see... isn't that well, biological?

OBVIOUSLY catcalling is out of bounds and not justified in any way, shape or form. But as far as noticing somebody or even looking well, duh?

Well catcalling isn't illegal so it really doesn't matter. I'd say to a certain extent, its the girl's "fault" in a way, but I wouldn't say she deserves it. People will react to you and treat you differently depending on what you do and how you look. Its not always right and some asshole things aren't even illegal but that's just the way the world is.

Its like if you went around town calling everyone an asshole and someone beat your ass. Yeah, its not illegal to say what you want and the attacker is 100% in the wrong, but that's just the way things are sometimes, unfortunately. Probably a bad example because talking shit is provoking people and just wearing clothes isn't, but you get the idea.

Darmik posted...

If I got mugged are you gonna say "well don't go asking for directions at a crack house"?

I actually have a friend that got mugged in his neighborhood. Sucks for him and I sympathize, and also asked him when he's moving. Needless to say he wasn't offended and plans to move when financially stable.

Darmik posted...

It's happening to women who are alone who are attractive to men. These men do it because there aren't going to be consequences. It's not restricted to men who are dangerous or poor.

I'm going to entirely disregard your attempted topic shift of women of all clothing types because that isn't what the topic is about. Secondly nobody said it was restricted to poor people, or even dangerous people. Third I don't know how you'd presume to know what is in the mind of a predatory individual unless you are one, and finally if people are breaking into a woman's house who is entirely alone then that is an obvious crime. None of your points here have any real substance to them, and like I said before you're being purposefully obtuse.
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"I know the way I dress is provocative, but it doesn't mean I should have to deal with it."

What?! LOL

ROBANN_88 posted...

she should expect people to look at her.
she should not expect people to harass her.

"How are you doing." "Wow she is beautiful" (TO SOMEONE ELSE HAS HE LEFT THE AREA)

That is what they called harassment. It seems that guys *they don't like* do anything saying something to them is harassment.
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This is a lot about being physically groped on public transit, which is a lot worse than someone being like "damn girl you fine" as you walk past
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P4wn4g3 posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

I think there is a massive difference between looking at someone and starring or yelling obnoxious comments at the person, but we can all keep on pretending that she is somehow entitled to being bothered constantly because she is pretty.

On the flip side of things, nobody is saying guys have a free pass to act like creeps or uncontrolled pervs if a girl is hot. They don't and I tend to think that society wouldn't look kindly on them acting that way.

Totally agree. I hope I didn't imply the opposite. People can dress how they want and that doesn't give anyone the right to violate their rights. However, people are free to look in any situation where someone doesn't have any reasonable expectation of privacy.

Sativa_Rose posted...

This is a lot about being physically groped on public transit, which is a lot worse than someone being like "damn girl you fine" as you walk past

Well just talk about that , don't add in the other stuff for "padding "
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Is it her fault? You know what? No it isn't her fault. She's basically admitting she's a spoiled child and therefore not responsible for anything that happens to her.

She is NOT responsible. And not in the way some might think.

So instead of placing the accountability on her, we should take accountability off of her. She should not be allowed to be alone on the street by herself. Just like how you wouldn't leave a child alone, she should not be left alone without adult supervision.
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^ironic since that is basically the argument being made for women having no fault in things. Entirely sexist as well though.
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Printerscape posted...

"I know the way I dress is provocative, but it doesn't mean I should have to deal with it."

What?! LOL

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Offworlder1 posted...

People treat you how you dress

EdwardoMario16 posted...

Is it her fault? You know what? No it isn't her fault. She's basically admitting she's a spoiled child and therefore not responsible for anything that happens to her.

She is NOT responsible. And not in the way some might think.

So instead of placing the accountability on her, we should take accountability off of her. She should not be allowed to be alone on the street by herself. Just like how you wouldn't leave a child alone, she should not be left alone without adult supervision.

You seem to be trying to make some kind of point, but all you've done is discredit yourself.

Anyway, anything beyond respectful glances and attempting to have actual conversations (and giving up respectfully if they're not welcome) is wrong regardless of what any human being is wearing. It's possible to just want to look good without opening yourself up to being accosted by every person with male genitalia. People are not always dressing up for that type of attention.

But because of our culture, so many guys don't seem to get that. They think everything is catered towards them and get offended when they find out its not. They see a girl who's not dressed like a nun and think that's a greenlight for all forms of creepitude. Because she didn't "cover up", she obviously wants to experience a bunch of negative things on the spectrum from creepy stares, to groping, to being followed, to rape. That's why people connect all these things, from staring and catcalling, to more extreme behavior. It all comes from the same dangerous mindset of "she's wearing x so I'll treat her a certain way".

This stuff isn't hard, but many people in this topic are wildly off the mark and are exhibiting the exact type of mindset that makes all my female friends scared to take public transportation or walk around at night. Pretty much all of them, experience some creepy ass stuff, I've seen it happen in front of me. And its clear it comes from this mindset.
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