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CruelBuffalo
04/10/17 3:38:42 PM
#105:


ChopinList posted...
Has the identity/background of the shooter been revealed yet? Was the shooter Muslim? Or was it another white person?

Seems to be a domestic issue. So not relevant
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Logos
04/10/17 3:38:54 PM
#106:


Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
I'll say what some gun proponents are afraid to admit.

Regardless of how effective some laws might be at mitigating it, there is an acceptable cost to having any right and freedom. Whether it's cars, guns, sky diving, ladders, scissors . . . it is in my opinion that we have not gone beyond what are acceptable losses for gun rights.


Exactly. If we want to minimize all unnecessary loss of life, we should ban swimming pools, cars, etc. And the government should force everyone to live in climate-controlled bullet-proof cubes.
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DifferentialEquation
04/10/17 3:39:37 PM
#107:


CruelBuffalo posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
I wouldnt be opposed to bans or incredibly tight restrictions on large capacity magazines and that's something they should be determined by what's needed for hunters


Hunters don't need high capacity magazines. They try to take to the animal down in a single shot and will sometimes wait hours or the entire day for a good shot.


I know that was my point


So you want magazines to be restricted to ~5 rounds?
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CruelBuffalo
04/10/17 3:40:26 PM
#108:


DifferentialEquation posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
I wouldnt be opposed to bans or incredibly tight restrictions on large capacity magazines and that's something they should be determined by what's needed for hunters


Hunters don't need high capacity magazines. They try to take to the animal down in a single shot and will sometimes wait hours or the entire day for a good shot.


I know that was my point


So you want magazines to be restricted to ~5 rounds?

I'm not an expert so I don't feel comfortable giving the count.
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CruelBuffalo
04/10/17 3:41:15 PM
#109:


Since when do gang shootings end in suicide? Is the internet being racist again?
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DifferentialEquation
04/10/17 3:43:08 PM
#110:


CruelBuffalo posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
I wouldnt be opposed to bans or incredibly tight restrictions on large capacity magazines and that's something they should be determined by what's needed for hunters


Hunters don't need high capacity magazines. They try to take to the animal down in a single shot and will sometimes wait hours or the entire day for a good shot.


I know that was my point


So you want magazines to be restricted to ~5 rounds?

I'm not an expert so I don't feel comfortable giving the count.


And hunters are not going to be experts on home/self defense or those types of situations, so why do you want them to decide?
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Tropicalwood
04/10/17 3:43:23 PM
#111:


DifferentialEquation posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
I wouldnt be opposed to bans or incredibly tight restrictions on large capacity magazines and that's something they should be determined by what's needed for hunters


Hunters don't need high capacity magazines. They try to take to the animal down in a single shot and will sometimes wait hours or the entire day for a good shot.


I know that was my point


So you want magazines to be restricted to ~5 rounds?

Five rounds but you can only ever have one in it at any given point (an actual law)
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Logos
04/10/17 3:44:12 PM
#112:


CruelBuffalo posted...
I'm not an expert so I don't feel comfortable giving the count.


Yet you feel comfortable enough to run your mouth about why there should be a magazine ban.
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AlephZero
04/10/17 3:44:20 PM
#113:


ban all guns
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CruelBuffalo
04/10/17 3:44:27 PM
#114:


DifferentialEquation posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
I wouldnt be opposed to bans or incredibly tight restrictions on large capacity magazines and that's something they should be determined by what's needed for hunters


Hunters don't need high capacity magazines. They try to take to the animal down in a single shot and will sometimes wait hours or the entire day for a good shot.


I know that was my point


So you want magazines to be restricted to ~5 rounds?

I'm not an expert so I don't feel comfortable giving the count.


And hunters are not going to be experts on home/self defense or those types of situations, so why do you want them to decide?


Because they actively use firearms. You don't need an ak47 and 30 rounds per magazine to defend yourself
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Logos
04/10/17 3:44:37 PM
#115:


Tropicalwood posted...
Five rounds but you can only ever have one in it at any given point (an actual law)


And what are you going to do if multiple armed invaders make their way towards your room at night?
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The Great Muta 22
04/10/17 3:44:52 PM
#116:


Logos posted...
the gun death metrics tend to include gang shootings in their data. if you look at just the public mass shooting sprees, they're incredibly uncommon. far less common than shootings, and about as common as islamic terrorism in europe.

yet liberals constantly make the argument that islamic terrorism in europe is so uncommon and improbable that it's not statistically a problem. it's the same with mass shooting sprees in america. both are statistically irrelevant. meaning you're basically guaranteed to never be a victim of either.


Well at least you admit that neither is statistically probable and the majority of the people aren't going to suffer either in their lifetime. And while both issues are serious and need to be given the proper attention it's better if we realize that neither are such a dramatic issue that we should automatically assume the very worse and be paranoid at all moments, right?
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Anarchy_Juiblex
04/10/17 3:44:58 PM
#117:


Tropicalwood posted...
Five rounds but you can only ever have one in it at any given point (an actual law)


Difference states have difference rules. KY shotguns were limited to 3, rifles 4 iirc. No limit on handgun hunting.
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andel
04/10/17 3:45:13 PM
#118:


gun ban will never happen in the us. i am fine with background checks but magazine capacity limits are moronic and always proposed by ignorant people
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Tropicalwood
04/10/17 3:45:19 PM
#119:


CruelBuffalo posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
I wouldnt be opposed to bans or incredibly tight restrictions on large capacity magazines and that's something they should be determined by what's needed for hunters


Hunters don't need high capacity magazines. They try to take to the animal down in a single shot and will sometimes wait hours or the entire day for a good shot.


I know that was my point


So you want magazines to be restricted to ~5 rounds?

I'm not an expert so I don't feel comfortable giving the count.


And hunters are not going to be experts on home/self defense or those types of situations, so why do you want them to decide?


Because they actively use firearms. You don't need an ak47 and 30 rounds per magazine to defend yourself

That's not going to keep king George off your lawn.
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ManSpread
04/10/17 3:45:32 PM
#120:


CruelBuffalo posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
I wouldnt be opposed to bans or incredibly tight restrictions on large capacity magazines and that's something they should be determined by what's needed for hunters


Hunters don't need high capacity magazines. They try to take to the animal down in a single shot and will sometimes wait hours or the entire day for a good shot.


I know that was my point


So you want magazines to be restricted to ~5 rounds?

I'm not an expert so I don't feel comfortable giving the count.


And hunters are not going to be experts on home/self defense or those types of situations, so why do you want them to decide?


Because they actively use firearms. You don't need an ak47 and 30 rounds per magazine to defend yourself

you do realize most AKs are semi automatic? and aside from obvious differences is no different than owning an AR-15 for home defense
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Logos
04/10/17 3:45:51 PM
#121:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
Logos posted...
the gun death metrics tend to include gang shootings in their data. if you look at just the public mass shooting sprees, they're incredibly uncommon. far less common than shootings, and about as common as islamic terrorism in europe.

yet liberals constantly make the argument that islamic terrorism in europe is so uncommon and improbable that it's not statistically a problem. it's the same with mass shooting sprees in america. both are statistically irrelevant. meaning you're basically guaranteed to never be a victim of either.


Well at least you admit that neither is statistically probable and the majority of the people aren't going to suffer either in their lifetime. And while both issues are serious and need to be given the proper attention it's better if we realize that neither are such a dramatic issue that we should automatically assume the very worse and be paranoid at all moments, right?


no, because then we'd have to ban cars, swimming pools, immigration from third world countries, etc.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
04/10/17 3:46:46 PM
#123:


CruelBuffalo posted...
You don't need an ak47 and 30 rounds per magazine to defend yourself



Last week some kid defended his home with a AR15 against 3 assailants. Yes, you might need 30 rounds.
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DifferentialEquation
04/10/17 3:47:01 PM
#124:


CruelBuffalo posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
I wouldnt be opposed to bans or incredibly tight restrictions on large capacity magazines and that's something they should be determined by what's needed for hunters


Hunters don't need high capacity magazines. They try to take to the animal down in a single shot and will sometimes wait hours or the entire day for a good shot.


I know that was my point


So you want magazines to be restricted to ~5 rounds?

I'm not an expert so I don't feel comfortable giving the count.


And hunters are not going to be experts on home/self defense or those types of situations, so why do you want them to decide?


Because they actively use firearms. You don't need an ak47 and 30 rounds per magazine to defend yourself


Self/home defense is an entirely different situation from hunting. If you're going to go by what hunters need, then why not go further and only allow bolt/lever actions?
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Logos
04/10/17 3:47:31 PM
#125:


i'm convinced that CruelBuffalo has shut his mind to facts and reason and is entirely committed to his narrative. pointless to even argue with him.
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DundiesAward
04/10/17 3:47:49 PM
#126:


CruelBuffalo posted...
Since when do gang shootings end in suicide? Is the internet being racist again?


I'm more shocked this took place in a school. I thought gangs were the type to say let's take this outside. The school is a learning zone and outside is where you fight/kill each other.
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yem69420
04/10/17 3:49:02 PM
#127:


ManSpread posted...
large magazine bans are stupid


drills with a 10 round 1911 mag takes me an average of 2-2.5 seconds per reload more than drills with a 21 round magpul glock mag

i'm not as good a shooter anymore (older and not as fit), but I can still pull off B-class (60-75%) rank in most courses. I'm also talking about holsters with multiple kydex mag pouches.

The first time I picked up an AR-15 I hit a 10-ring multiple times from 150yds out with iron sights. Wasn't my first rifle I've ever shot but it is an easy gun to pick up and shoot for even kids.

I don't want AR's banned or High Cap mags but at this point I have so many high cap mags for the guns that matter that I don't really give a fuck. During the clinton gun ban you could still find high-cap mags straight out of the cabelas catalog. Assault weapons bans really aren't very effective.
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CruelBuffalo
04/10/17 3:51:50 PM
#128:


Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
You don't need an ak47 and 30 rounds per magazine to defend yourself



Last week some kid defended his home with a AR15 against 3 assailants. Yes, you might need 30 rounds.


He could have used a bazooka as well doesn't mean I'd wish that. And since it's legal Im not in favor of any charges to the kid.
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CruelBuffalo
04/10/17 3:53:16 PM
#129:


Logos posted...
i'm convinced that CruelBuffalo has shut his mind to facts and reason and is entirely committed to his narrative. pointless to even argue with him.

I said I wasn't an expert nor have I attacked anyone besides you derping around. I'm giving my opinion and discussing it with others. You're the one going guns blazing attacking calling me dumb liberal and such
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Logos
04/10/17 3:53:46 PM
#130:


CruelBuffalo posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
You don't need an ak47 and 30 rounds per magazine to defend yourself



Last week some kid defended his home with a AR15 against 3 assailants. Yes, you might need 30 rounds.


He could have used a bazooka as well doesn't mean I'd wish that. And since it's legal Im not in favor of any charges to the kid.


are you seriously going to pretend that you really think that's a legitimate argument
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hockeybub89
04/10/17 3:54:11 PM
#131:


Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
You don't need an ak47 and 30 rounds per magazine to defend yourself



Last week some kid defended his home with a AR15 against 3 assailants. Yes, you might need 30 rounds.

Statistically, you don't need a gun at all. It is a much better argument to just mention that guns are a right and that inanimate objects are typically only as deadly as the person wielding them.

I think people should be able to have guns because they want them, not because there is a slim chance they may be in a situation where they will fire them at another human being.
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Fart_Tzar
04/10/17 3:54:45 PM
#132:


Jesus christ, look how fast people on the left and right in this topic are trying to get in a few political jabs.
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CruelBuffalo
04/10/17 3:54:46 PM
#133:


GOATTHlEF posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
Since when do gang shootings end in suicide? Is the internet being racist again?


Just posting what the police scanner was saying earlier



Ah so using unverified info from an active investigation to make definitive statements. Got it.
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sktgamer_13dude
04/10/17 3:55:32 PM
#134:


"Hey guys we should limit who gets guns and make sure that people with mental health issues don't have the opportunity to have guns."

"THEY'RE TAKING OUR GUNS!!!!!" - the right
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Tropicalwood
04/10/17 3:57:12 PM
#135:


CruelBuffalo posted...
Logos posted...
i'm convinced that CruelBuffalo has shut his mind to facts and reason and is entirely committed to his narrative. pointless to even argue with him.

I said I wasn't an expert nor have I attacked anyone besides you derping around. I'm giving my opinion and discussing it with others. You're the one going guns blazing attacking calling me dumb liberal and such

Maybe because you are being dumb. 30 rounds is a standard capacity magazine.
If you want to talk about high capacity, you can get ammo belts as long as you have ammo and links.
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scorpion41
04/10/17 3:57:49 PM
#136:


sktgamer_13dude posted...
"Hey guys we should limit who gets guns and make sure that people with mental health issues don't have the opportunity to have guns."

"THEY'RE TAKING OUR GUNS!!!!!" - the right


Please explain what that does to address the problem with criminals getting their hands on illegal weapons. I'll save you the trouble: not a damned thing.
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ShinyMasamuneZ
04/10/17 3:57:55 PM
#137:


But if they ban guns, I'll never get to live out my fantasy when six guys break into my house from all directions and I get to dual-wield AR15s to protect my family! Think about my unrealistic fantasies, guys!
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3rd_Best_Master
04/10/17 3:58:35 PM
#138:


CruelBuffalo posted...
GOATTHlEF posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
Since when do gang shootings end in suicide? Is the internet being racist again?


Just posting what the police scanner was saying earlier



Ah so using unverified info from an active investigation to make definitive statements. Got it.

Could always just do the typical CE thing where we just dribble diarrhea on the keyboards and by the time the investigation is complete and all the details are known we've already moved on to the newest racist Addy post.
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CruelBuffalo
04/10/17 4:01:40 PM
#139:


Logos posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
You don't need an ak47 and 30 rounds per magazine to defend yourself



Last week some kid defended his home with a AR15 against 3 assailants. Yes, you might need 30 rounds.


He could have used a bazooka as well doesn't mean I'd wish that. And since it's legal Im not in favor of any charges to the kid.


are you seriously going to pretend that you really think that's a legitimate argument


Considering they were unarmed robbers who weren't there to kill anyone and had no reason to get into a firefight as soon as one bullet was shot. Yes I think a rifle or a handgun would have also protected the kid.
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scorpion41
04/10/17 4:02:47 PM
#140:


CruelBuffalo posted...
Logos posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
You don't need an ak47 and 30 rounds per magazine to defend yourself



Last week some kid defended his home with a AR15 against 3 assailants. Yes, you might need 30 rounds.


He could have used a bazooka as well doesn't mean I'd wish that. And since it's legal Im not in favor of any charges to the kid.


are you seriously going to pretend that you really think that's a legitimate argument


Considering they were unarmed robbers who weren't there to kill anyone and had no reason to get into a firefight as soon as one bullet was shot. Yes I think a rifle or a handgun would have also protected the kid.


An AR-15 is a rifle...
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Logos
04/10/17 4:03:20 PM
#141:


hockeybub89 posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
You don't need an ak47 and 30 rounds per magazine to defend yourself



Last week some kid defended his home with a AR15 against 3 assailants. Yes, you might need 30 rounds.

Statistically, you don't need a gun at all. It is a much better argument to just mention that guns are a right and that inanimate objects are typically only as deadly as the person wielding them.

I think people should be able to have guns because they want them, not because there is a slim chance they may be in a situation where they will fire them at another human being.


move to chicago and try owning property without getting breakins.
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Fart_Tzar
04/10/17 4:03:48 PM
#142:


CruelBuffalo posted...
Logos posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
You don't need an ak47 and 30 rounds per magazine to defend yourself



Last week some kid defended his home with a AR15 against 3 assailants. Yes, you might need 30 rounds.


He could have used a bazooka as well doesn't mean I'd wish that. And since it's legal Im not in favor of any charges to the kid.


are you seriously going to pretend that you really think that's a legitimate argument


Considering they were unarmed robbers who weren't there to kill anyone and had no reason to get into a firefight as soon as one bullet was shot. Yes I think a rifle or a handgun would have also protected the kid.

they were armed
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CruelBuffalo
04/10/17 4:04:02 PM
#143:


Tropicalwood posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
Logos posted...
i'm convinced that CruelBuffalo has shut his mind to facts and reason and is entirely committed to his narrative. pointless to even argue with him.

I said I wasn't an expert nor have I attacked anyone besides you derping around. I'm giving my opinion and discussing it with others. You're the one going guns blazing attacking calling me dumb liberal and such

Maybe because you are being dumb. 30 rounds is a standard capacity magazine.
If you want to talk about high capacity, you can get ammo belts as long as you have ammo and links.



There's nothing you can do to prevent someone from carrying extra ammo but someone reloading gives a higher percentage for intervention
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Logos
04/10/17 4:05:10 PM
#144:


CruelBuffalo posted...
There's nothing you can do to prevent someone from carrying extra ammo but someone reloading gives a higher percentage for intervention


lmao why don't you go fire a gun at a shooting range before you just make yourself look even dumber
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CruelBuffalo
04/10/17 4:05:22 PM
#145:


Fart_Tzar posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
Logos posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
You don't need an ak47 and 30 rounds per magazine to defend yourself



Last week some kid defended his home with a AR15 against 3 assailants. Yes, you might need 30 rounds.


He could have used a bazooka as well doesn't mean I'd wish that. And since it's legal Im not in favor of any charges to the kid.


are you seriously going to pretend that you really think that's a legitimate argument


Considering they were unarmed robbers who weren't there to kill anyone and had no reason to get into a firefight as soon as one bullet was shot. Yes I think a rifle or a handgun would have also protected the kid.

they were armed


With a firearm? I hadn't heard about them being armed
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Steve Nick
04/10/17 4:05:33 PM
#146:


CruelBuffalo posted...
Tropicalwood posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
Logos posted...
i'm convinced that CruelBuffalo has shut his mind to facts and reason and is entirely committed to his narrative. pointless to even argue with him.

I said I wasn't an expert nor have I attacked anyone besides you derping around. I'm giving my opinion and discussing it with others. You're the one going guns blazing attacking calling me dumb liberal and such

Maybe because you are being dumb. 30 rounds is a standard capacity magazine.
If you want to talk about high capacity, you can get ammo belts as long as you have ammo and links.



There's nothing you can do to prevent someone from carrying extra ammo but someone reloading gives a higher percentage for intervention


You realize a reload takes 3 seconds or less for someone prepared for combat.

3 seconds is a high estimate, considering most experts take about 1 second.
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CruelBuffalo
04/10/17 4:05:39 PM
#147:


Logos posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
There's nothing you can do to prevent someone from carrying extra ammo but someone reloading gives a higher percentage for intervention


lmao why don't you go fire a gun at a shooting range before you just make yourself look even dumber

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andel
04/10/17 4:05:53 PM
#148:


CruelBuffalo posted...
GOATTHlEF posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
Since when do gang shootings end in suicide? Is the internet being racist again?


Just posting what the police scanner was saying earlier



Ah so using unverified info from an active investigation to make definitive statements. Got it.


he said 'looks like', so not definitive. do you not know what words mean?
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Logos
04/10/17 4:06:05 PM
#149:


CruelBuffalo posted...
Considering they were unarmed robbers who weren't there to kill anyone and had no reason to get into a firefight as soon as one bullet was shot. Yes I think a rifle or a handgun would have also protected the kid.


lmfao what do you think an AR-15 is? it's a rifle you genius. lmfao. and why are you under the impression that you can dictate what he should've used? it's his life at risk, not yours. you're being a keyboard warrior, dude.
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Logos
04/10/17 4:06:24 PM
#150:


CruelBuffalo posted...
Logos posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
There's nothing you can do to prevent someone from carrying extra ammo but someone reloading gives a higher percentage for intervention


lmao why don't you go fire a gun at a shooting range before you just make yourself look even dumber

Shot my first firearm at 6 years old


then how is it that you're so fucking ignorant on guns?
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CruelBuffalo
04/10/17 4:07:21 PM
#151:


Steve Nick posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
Tropicalwood posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
Logos posted...
i'm convinced that CruelBuffalo has shut his mind to facts and reason and is entirely committed to his narrative. pointless to even argue with him.

I said I wasn't an expert nor have I attacked anyone besides you derping around. I'm giving my opinion and discussing it with others. You're the one going guns blazing attacking calling me dumb liberal and such

Maybe because you are being dumb. 30 rounds is a standard capacity magazine.
If you want to talk about high capacity, you can get ammo belts as long as you have ammo and links.



There's nothing you can do to prevent someone from carrying extra ammo but someone reloading gives a higher percentage for intervention


You realize a reload takes 3 seconds or less for someone prepared for combat.

3 seconds is a high estimate, considering most experts take about 1 second.


Didn't say it's a guarantee but them fumbling around with equipment gives higher chance for intervention which is something that is now taught for mass shooter situations. Fight back during those times.
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CruelBuffalo
04/10/17 4:08:20 PM
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Logos posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
Considering they were unarmed robbers who weren't there to kill anyone and had no reason to get into a firefight as soon as one bullet was shot. Yes I think a rifle or a handgun would have also protected the kid.


lmfao what do you think an AR-15 is? it's a rifle you genius. lmfao. and why are you under the impression that you can dictate what he should've used? it's his life at risk, not yours. you're being a keyboard warrior, dude.


I didn't say he can't use it. I said he would have likely been fine with weaker firepower...which the original post implied he wouldn't have been safe had not had that specific weapon.
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CruelBuffalo
04/10/17 4:08:56 PM
#153:


Logos posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
Considering they were unarmed robbers who weren't there to kill anyone and had no reason to get into a firefight as soon as one bullet was shot. Yes I think a rifle or a handgun would have also protected the kid.


lmfao what do you think an AR-15 is? it's a rifle you genius. lmfao. and why are you under the impression that you can dictate what he should've used? it's his life at risk, not yours. you're being a keyboard warrior, dude.


I didn't say he can't use it. I said he would have likely been fine with weaker firepower...which the original post implied he wouldn't have been safe had not had that specific weapon. Logos posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
Logos posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
There's nothing you can do to prevent someone from carrying extra ammo but someone reloading gives a higher percentage for intervention


lmao why don't you go fire a gun at a shooting range before you just make yourself look even dumber

Shot my first firearm at 6 years old


then how is it that you're so fucking ignorant on guns?


Because im not obsessed with them and do not actively use them.
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