Board 8 > Those of you b8'ers that don't want children.....

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please find a more compelling reason for people who don't want children to consider having them (spoilers: there aren't any).

Without children, I'll be able to put aside the money and make the plans I need to be taken care of when I'm older. Just as people *with* children can do in case their children turn out to be horrible shitty monsters.
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no
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I'm not too worried, I'll die a few days before retirement.
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IIRC you can pay people for services so this isn't an issue
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Nah, with my retirement plan my wife and I should be able to afford some outside help.
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foolm0r0n posted...

IIRC you can pay people for services so this isn't an issue

You recall incorrectly.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

You recall incorrectly.

I'll pay you to agree with me
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capitalism collapsed? fuck i wish somebody told me
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foolm0r0n posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

You recall incorrectly.

I'll pay you to agree with me

Enough for me to afford a retirement home?

Deal.
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I plan on being dead before that point, tbh
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Robazoid posted...

I'm not too worried, I'll die a few days before retirement.

Don't worry you just not have to ever tell anyone you're only a few days from retirement

That way the flag will never be raised

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

foolm0r0n posted...

IIRC you can pay people for services so this isn't an issue

You recall incorrectly.

Nah he's right

As long as they aren't sexual at least
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This topic really makes me question my entire generation.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

This topic really makes me question my entire generation.

why would it make you question it?
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Not the opening post. Some of the responses.
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why? what's wrong with some of the responses?
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Well no post here is worse than prof's, which suggests that an empty house is better than having children and that the two are mutually exclusive to one another.
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so what? If they don't want children then what's wrong with that? So you personally like lots of children?
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Not concerned at all
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I don't personally like one or the other. I just think people like that, who believe the joy of creating and nurturing the next generation takes a backseat to having an empty house full of fleeting nothings, are people with whom I do not wish to associate. Humanity is a team sport and it's kind of like buying out of the game so you can have what is essentially a life that contributes nothing to our future as a species.
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profDEADPOOL posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

Well no post here is worse than prof's, which suggests that an empty house is better than having children and that the two are mutually exclusive to one another.

Do you know what a retirement home is

Yes, I had two sets of grandparents that lived in them. They hated it there except when their children and granchildren visited, so we moved them closer to us so they could be happier.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

I don't personally like one or the other. I just think people like that, who believe the joy of creating and nurturing the next generation takes a backseat to having an empty house full of fleeting nothings, are people with whom I do not wish to associate. Humanity is a team sport and it's kind of like buying out of the game so you can have what is essentially a life that contributes nothing to our future as a species.

how many children do you personally have?
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Smallville posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

I don't personally like one or the other. I just think people like that, who believe the joy of creating and nurturing the next generation takes a backseat to having an empty house full of fleeting nothings, are people with whom I do not wish to associate. Humanity is a team sport and it's kind of like buying out of the game so you can have what is essentially a life that contributes nothing to our future as a species.

how many children do you personally have?

None, but if things work out with the girl I'm dating, I'd like to have one or two. Most of my friends have started to have kids, and they are all extremely happy.
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profDEADPOOL posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

I don't personally like one or the other. I just think people like that, who believe the joy of creating and nurturing the next generation takes a backseat to having an empty house full of fleeting nothings, are people with whom I do not wish to associate. Humanity is a team sport and it's kind of like buying out of the game so you can have what is essentially a life that contributes nothing to our future as a species.

K bye

Didn't you already do this?
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scarletspeed7 posted...

I don't personally like one or the other. I just think people like that, who believe the joy of creating and nurturing the next generation takes a backseat to having an empty house full of fleeting nothings, are people with whom I do not wish to associate. Humanity is a team sport and it's kind of like buying out of the game so you can have what is essentially a life that contributes nothing to our future as a species.

Why am I obligated to contribute to our future as a species? Humanity is gonna be just fine if I, personally, don't have a kid. I'm sorry if that causes you to not wish to associate with me! I'm still very much okay with other people having and raising kids and having a house full of family and people they love but that is super not for me or the way i live my life. nor do i live in an "empty house full of fleeting nothings". also if humanity is a team sport we crushed every other team pretty badly already i'm not sure you need me up to bat.
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Steiner posted...

also if humanity is a team sport we crushed every other team pretty badly already i'm not sure you need me up to bat.

You never know when those sneaky wolves will try to make a comeback. We have to be ready
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well i'd better contribute my obligatory two more bodies to the war then
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Steiner posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

I don't personally like one or the other. I just think people like that, who believe the joy of creating and nurturing the next generation takes a backseat to having an empty house full of fleeting nothings, are people with whom I do not wish to associate. Humanity is a team sport and it's kind of like buying out of the game so you can have what is essentially a life that contributes nothing to our future as a species.

Why am I obligated to contribute to our future as a species? Humanity is gonna be just fine if I, personally, don't have a kid. I'm sorry if that causes you to not wish to associate with me! I'm still very much okay with other people having and raising kids and having a house full of family and people they love but that is super not for me or the way i live my life. nor do i live in an "empty house full of fleeting nothings". also if humanity is a team sport we crushed every other team pretty badly already i'm not sure you need me up to bat.

It's fair to have that point of view, and it's not like my judgment of said point of view matters in the slightest. Only to me, so that's why I post it. The rest of the world could care less what I think. If you wish to not have children, that's entirely okay. I think prof's point of view is just the cherry on top of a personality that I've just grown to detest entirely, a selfish, completely closeted world where if you don't have a lot of money to make your problems go away, you quite frankly don't deserve any other solution. I don't see you as that kind of person, and I feel your point of view isn't predicated on "I want money rather than kids."
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profDEADPOOL posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

profDEADPOOL posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

I don't personally like one or the other. I just think people like that, who believe the joy of creating and nurturing the next generation takes a backseat to having an empty house full of fleeting nothings, are people with whom I do not wish to associate. Humanity is a team sport and it's kind of like buying out of the game so you can have what is essentially a life that contributes nothing to our future as a species.

K bye

Didn't you already do this?

You are the one who said you don't want to associate with me!

You're the guy who insulted me and left.
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If I get to the point where I need someone else to look after me in order for me to carry on living then it's not worth me living anymore anyway as I would no longer enjoy life.

And I'm sure I will have plenty of money to make sure someone could take care of me anyway if it came to that.

I'm rooting for the Dragon team

Boo humanitty
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There's a beautiful joy to relationships and probably making your own family...but I also take great pride in what I do with my free time nowadays too and I wouldn't call my outside-of-work contributions wasted either. No way I'm gonna stress about having children protect me after retirement when I'm single and turning down dates lately.
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Steiner posted...

also if humanity is a team sport we crushed every other team pretty badly already i'm not sure you need me up to bat.

Personally I want my paycheck, owners holding out on us
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kids are great

it's hard to know the joy of having kids without going through it. on the surface it seems like a total pain in every way but it's not. I wasn't sure about how I would feel when we decided to have kids but it's surprisingly fulfilling to nurture another. my family went out of town last week without me and the house felt eerily quiet and desolate.
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foolm0r0n posted...

IIRC you can pay people for services so this isn't an issue

What a flight of fancy.
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Also, well, I don't think I'd be motivated to raise children just so they can nurse me when I'm old. It would be a nice gesture but hey maybe they such at caretaking anyway.
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a combination of 2nd and 3rd option. I'm not concerned but also it likely won't apply to me because I anticipate that I will die before I reach an old enough age to require being taken care of.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Humanity is a team sport and it's kind of like buying out of the game so you can have what is essentially a life that contributes nothing to our future as a species.

If only Beethoven had spent his time raising kids instead of composing, then he would have really left a mark

Seginustemple posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

Humanity is a team sport and it's kind of like buying out of the game so you can have what is essentially a life that contributes nothing to our future as a species.

If only Beethoven had spent his time raising kids instead of composing, then he would have really left a mark

I think the point of my statement is that planning for your empty retirement instead of bettering the world in some way is the problem.
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I will never understand people who think that procreation is the only worthwhile goal. We are overpopulated. Pregnancy is fucking terrible.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

I think the point of my statement is that planning for your empty retirement instead of bettering the world in some way is the problem.

Why do children have a bearing on that? You can better the world without having kids and you can have kids without bettering the world.

scarletspeed7 posted...

Seginustemple posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

Humanity is a team sport and it's kind of like buying out of the game so you can have what is essentially a life that contributes nothing to our future as a species.

If only Beethoven had spent his time raising kids instead of composing, then he would have really left a mark

I think the point of my statement is that planning for your empty retirement instead of bettering the world in some way is the problem.

Maybe making sure that I can retire without being a drain on other people's money would do more for the world than having a bunch of children who are doomed to be the dregs of society because they were raised by me
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profDEADPOOL posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

Seginustemple posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

Humanity is a team sport and it's kind of like buying out of the game so you can have what is essentially a life that contributes nothing to our future as a species.

If only Beethoven had spent his time raising kids instead of composing, then he would have really left a mark

I think the point of my statement is that planning for your empty retirement instead of bettering the world in some way is the problem.

I like this world where contributing to to overpopulation is the only worthwhile thing possible. Because it is completely impossible to improve the world without having kids.

I don't think that's what I said. Is that what I said? Nope. It was a statement against your point of view, not against the act of choosing not to have children.
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tabiicat42 posted...

I will never understand people who think that procreation is the only worthwhile goal. We are overpopulated. Pregnancy is fucking terrible.

I like how you just ignore adoption.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

tabiicat42 posted...

I will never understand people who think that procreation is the only worthwhile goal. We are overpopulated. Pregnancy is fucking terrible.

I like how you just ignore adoption.

I'm not ignoring adoption. The thread is about having children, not about being a parent.
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The TFR in America is actually somewhere between 1 and 2. In order for a population to grow rather than decline it needs to be at least 2. Assuming scarlet lives in the united states he would not contribute to overpopulation by having children. He would actually be moving the population of his country toward a more stable replacement number.
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tabiicat42 posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

tabiicat42 posted...

I will never understand people who think that procreation is the only worthwhile goal. We are overpopulated. Pregnancy is fucking terrible.

I like how you just ignore adoption.

I'm not ignoring adoption. The thread is about having children, not about being a parent.

The thread is about wanting children, not procreation.
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