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TheRock1525 03/19/17 1:45:44 PM #201:	I think you're confusing objectivity with consensus. There's a consensus of what makes good forms of art, but it doesn't mean it's objective. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:875424843] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote>I think you're confusing objectivity with consensus. There's a consensus of what makes good forms of art, but it doesn't mean it's objective.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 03/19/17 1:48:22 PM #202:	Consensus among experts in a field that is not entirely based in quantifiable measurements exists to create objectivity in art. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:875425006] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote>Consensus among experts in a field that is not entirely based in quantifiable measurements exists to create objectivity in art.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 03/19/17 1:48:53 PM #203:	For example: the consensus in film is you should show your characters' faces while talking. But a film maker decides, for whatever reason, to film their feet while they're talking. Can you say there is anything objectively wrong with it? Not really. But the consensus among critics and general film goers would be that it was dumb and not a good idea. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:875425034] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote>For example: the consensus in film is you should show your characters' faces while talking. But a film maker decides, for whatever reason, to film their feet while they're talking. Can you say there is anything objectively wrong with it? Not really. But the consensus among critics and general film goers would be that it was dumb and not a good idea.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 03/19/17 1:50:02 PM #204:	scarletspeed7 posted... Consensus among experts in a field that is not entirely based in quantifiable measurements exists to create objectivity in art. I can't agree with this, especially since we constantly have people challenging consensus among various arts. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:875425104] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote><cite>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote>Consensus among experts in a field that is not entirely based in quantifiable measurements exists to create objectivity in art.</quote> I can't agree with this, especially since we constantly have people challenging consensus among various arts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ninkendo 03/19/17 1:50:38 PM #205:	I think Charlotte is a better wrestler than Sasha suck it nerds --- http://i.imgur.com/LhGP5E6.gif http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/CaptainRockman.png <cite>ninkendo posted [p:875425135] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote>I think Charlotte is a better wrestler than Sasha suck it nerds</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 03/19/17 1:51:30 PM #206:	TheRock1525 posted... I rightfully called it out, and then pointed out how "objective" analysis of wrestlers would look. yeah, an extreme, boring end of it that does not actually have to be how an objective analysis would look. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:875425194] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote> I rightfully called it out, and then pointed out how "objective" analysis of wrestlers would look.</quote> yeah, an extreme, boring end of it that does not actually have to be how an objective analysis would look.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 03/19/17 1:52:35 PM #207:	It could also be heralded as a great choice depending on your storytelling. Boston Legal frequently would do close-up hand shots during closing arguments. This was an intentional choice to help reinforce how the body language of a lawyer affected their arguments and also demonstrated their own particular eccentricities through even the smallest of actions. This was often lauded in the first season reviews. There is a historical consensus that has vilified Christopher Columbus. Objective fact backs up the premises of this consensus. Therefore, educated expert opinion can be introduced as an objective theorum. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:875425250] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote>It could also be heralded as a great choice depending on your storytelling. Boston Legal frequently would do close-up hand shots during closing arguments. This was an intentional choice to help reinforce how the body language of a lawyer affected their arguments and also demonstrated their own particular eccentricities through even the smallest of actions. This was often lauded in the first season reviews. There is a historical consensus that has vilified Christopher Columbus. Objective fact backs up the premises of this consensus. Therefore, educated expert opinion can be introduced as an objective theorum.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 03/19/17 1:54:46 PM #208:	TheRock1525 posted... scarletspeed7 posted... Consensus among experts in a field that is not entirely based in quantifiable measurements exists to create objectivity in art. I can't agree with this, especially since we constantly have people challenging consensus among various arts. And consensus exists based on what is. You cannot create an objective truth based on what will be. The sky is blue until it's not. And the introduction of a consensus-challenging artifact does not mean the consensus will be swayed. The logical heuristics of a situation will always suggest that beneath personal subjectivity is a universal objectivity that exists. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:875425366] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote>Consensus among experts in a field that is not entirely based in quantifiable measurements exists to create objectivity in art.</quote> I can't agree with this, especially since we constantly have people challenging consensus among various arts.</quote> And consensus exists based on what is. You cannot create an objective truth based on what will be. The sky is blue until it's not. And the introduction of a consensus-challenging artifact does not mean the consensus will be swayed. The logical heuristics of a situation will always suggest that beneath personal subjectivity is a universal objectivity that exists.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 03/19/17 1:58:08 PM #209:	Except there's a far great difference between why the sky is blue (based on known and provable sciences) and why a wrestling match is good, the former being completely objective. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:875425557] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote>Except there's a far great difference between why the sky is blue (based on known and provable sciences) and why a wrestling match is good, the former being completely objective.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 03/19/17 2:09:17 PM #210:	Except you can quantifiably explain what works in a wrestling match and what doesn't. The perfect example is Rollins vs. Balor. These two guys go out there and create a well-executed match which is built around fundamentals you can demonstrate, storytelling you can explain easily and logically, and high spots that are well-designed to impress audiences. So why did the match fail? A completely unrelated outside factor. This doesn't negate the quality of the match, and as time passes, the match already is seen more favorably than its initial reaction. Why? Because a subjective opinion about a belt is further and further removed from the equation. It is objectively well-executed. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:875426187] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote> Except you can quantifiably explain what works in a wrestling match and what doesn't. The perfect example is Rollins vs. Balor. These two guys go out there and create a well-executed match which is built around fundamentals you can demonstrate, storytelling you can explain easily and logically, and high spots that are well-designed to impress audiences. So why did the match fail? A completely unrelated outside factor. This doesn't negate the quality of the match, and as time passes, the match already is seen more favorably than its initial reaction. Why? Because a subjective opinion about a belt is further and further removed from the equation. It is objectively well-executed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 03/19/17 2:12:13 PM #211:	scarletspeed7 posted... The perfect example is Rollins vs. Balor. These two guys go out there and create a well-executed match which is built around fundamentals you can demonstrate, storytelling you can explain easily and logically, and high spots that are well-designed to impress audiences. And what if I disagree with those? How am, objectively, wrong if say I felt the pacing was off or didn't care for the storytelling? --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:875426338] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote><cite>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote>The perfect example is Rollins vs. Balor. These two guys go out there and create a well-executed match which is built around fundamentals you can demonstrate, storytelling you can explain easily and logically, and high spots that are well-designed to impress audiences.</quote> And what if I disagree with those? How am, objectively, wrong if say I felt the pacing was off or didn't care for the storytelling?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 03/19/17 2:23:33 PM #212:	Or what about matches like Will Ospreay vs Ricochet? Even wrestlers themselves do not agree on what is a good match. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:875426986] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote>Or what about matches like Will Ospreay vs Ricochet? Even wrestlers themselves do not agree on what is a good match.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 03/19/17 2:33:30 PM #213:	TheRock1525 posted... scarletspeed7 posted... The perfect example is Rollins vs. Balor. These two guys go out there and create a well-executed match which is built around fundamentals you can demonstrate, storytelling you can explain easily and logically, and high spots that are well-designed to impress audiences. And what if I disagree with those? How am, objectively, wrong if say I felt the pacing was off or didn't care for the storytelling? If you can quantifiably explain and debate the quality of storytelling then it's already on a much higher level than the regional promotions of the 70s that failed due to poor fundamentals. You've moved past the basics and are now debating the advanced mechanics of the match. Whereas the 70s matches can't tread water with the quality of matches now due to constant botches and inability to perform even the most basic of moves. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:875427577] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote>The perfect example is Rollins vs. Balor. These two guys go out there and create a well-executed match which is built around fundamentals you can demonstrate, storytelling you can explain easily and logically, and high spots that are well-designed to impress audiences.</quote> And what if I disagree with those? How am, objectively, wrong if say I felt the pacing was off or didn't care for the storytelling?</quote> If you can quantifiably explain and debate the quality of storytelling then it's already on a much higher level than the regional promotions of the 70s that failed due to poor fundamentals. You've moved past the basics and are now debating the advanced mechanics of the match. Whereas the 70s matches can't tread water with the quality of matches now due to constant botches and inability to perform even the most basic of moves.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ffmasterjose 03/19/17 3:49:26 PM #214:	Will there be any pointless wins this year a la Zack Ryder? --- Your new reigning and defending Guru Champion, DpObliVion! <cite>ffmasterjose posted [p:875432059] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote>Will there be any pointless wins this year a la Zack Ryder?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 03/19/17 4:02:16 PM #215:	I could see the AJ one ending up being pointless. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:875432885] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote>I could see the AJ one ending up being pointless.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 03/19/17 4:03:16 PM #216:	Brock Lesnar The title changed from one invincible part timer to a different invincible part timer Wow --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:875432937] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote>Brock Lesnar The title changed from one invincible part timer to a different invincible part timer Wow</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 03/19/17 4:21:50 PM #217:	TheRock1525 posted... scarletspeed7 posted... The perfect example is Rollins vs. Balor. These two guys go out there and create a well-executed match which is built around fundamentals you can demonstrate, storytelling you can explain easily and logically, and high spots that are well-designed to impress audiences. And what if I disagree with those? How am, objectively, wrong if say I felt the pacing was off or didn't care for the storytelling? You're not wrong, you're just irrelevant. That's how debate and consensus works. "I didn't like it." = no value. Nobody actually cares about anyone else's opinion as an opinion when trying to create a consensus. That is to say, your personal tummyfeels are meaningless. By contrast "I didn't like it because X, Y and Z..." = has value. The justification with grounding on something more than tummyfeels creates debate and can alter the consensus because it has some level of grounding in objective collective experience. For example, 'This spot is poorly executed because it lacks weight'. You'd have to follow it up further by explaining why the weight is lacking, but it will generate an actual discussion. Have you never noticed that raw opinions are conversation killers? Try conducting a conversation through opinions without justification. Like say, "I like this cake". You'll see the convo dies immediately until you delve into specifics (like 'yeah, it's so sweet and sugary! And the frosting is just immaculate!'), because human beings cannot communicate directly with feelings in a meaningful fashion. This is why you can say something that is objectively not wrong and yet has no meaningful value. It's what Wang has been trying to tell you all this time. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:875434015] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote>The perfect example is Rollins vs. Balor. These two guys go out there and create a well-executed match which is built around fundamentals you can demonstrate, storytelling you can explain easily and logically, and high spots that are well-designed to impress audiences.</quote> And what if I disagree with those? How am, objectively, wrong if say I felt the pacing was off or didn't care for the storytelling?</quote> You're not wrong, you're just irrelevant. That's how debate and consensus works. "I didn't like it." = no value. Nobody actually cares about anyone else's opinion as an opinion when trying to create a consensus. That is to say, your personal tummyfeels are meaningless. By contrast "I didn't like it because X, Y and Z..." = has value. The justification with grounding on something more than tummyfeels creates debate and can alter the consensus because it has some level of grounding in objective collective experience. For example, 'This spot is poorly executed because it lacks weight'. You'd have to follow it up further by explaining why the weight is lacking, but it will generate an actual discussion. Have you never noticed that raw opinions are conversation killers? Try conducting a conversation through opinions without justification. Like say, "I like this cake". You'll see the convo dies immediately until you delve into specifics (like 'yeah, it's so sweet and sugary! And the frosting is just immaculate!'), because human beings cannot communicate directly with feelings in a meaningful fashion. This is why you can say something that is objectively not wrong and yet has no meaningful value. It's what Wang has been trying to tell you all this time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 03/19/17 4:43:35 PM #218:	I... literally gave two specifics on why I might not have liked the match (pacing was off, didn't like the storytelling). --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:875435179] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote>I... literally gave two specifics on why I might not have liked the match (pacing was off, didn't like the storytelling).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 03/19/17 4:56:02 PM #219:	TheRock1525 posted... I... literally gave two specifics on why I might not have liked the match (pacing was off, didn't like the storytelling). That's not a specific. It's still a statement of pure opinion with no basing. The key isn't saying 'I think this is so', it's 'I think this is so and here's why'. Assume the other person doesn't know how you think and why you think that and go into detail, as much as you can swing if you want other people to care about it. That's what makes an opinion valuable instead of worthless, that it contributes a new perspective that other people can understand and respect instead of saying 'hey, MY perspective exists! Acknowledge it!'. Why did you think the pacing was off? Why did you not like the storytelling? What is the context of those statements? That's the part that matters. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:875435934] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>I... literally gave two specifics on why I might not have liked the match (pacing was off, didn't like the storytelling).</quote> That's not a specific. It's still a statement of pure opinion with no basing. The key isn't saying 'I think this is so', it's 'I think this is so and here's why'. Assume the other person doesn't know how you think and why you think that and go into detail, as much as you can swing if you want other people to care about it. That's what makes an opinion valuable instead of worthless, that it contributes a new perspective that other people can understand and respect instead of saying 'hey, MY perspective exists! Acknowledge it!'. Why did you think the pacing was off? Why did you not like the storytelling? What is the context of those statements? That's the part that matters.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 03/19/17 4:59:28 PM #220:	KanzarisKelshen posted... That's not a specific. It's still a statement of pure opinion with no basing. Well yeah, it's for the sake of a discussion. If I actually cared to discuss the particulars of Rollins/Balor I can, but I was countering generalities with generalities. He said it was well-paced while not saying HOW it was specifically well-paced so I countered by saying the pace was off. If you want me to specifically cite why I feel that way, I can. But that's clearly not what we were discussing. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:875436159] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote> <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted...</cite> <quote>That's not a specific. It's still a statement of pure opinion with no basing. </quote> Well yeah, it's for the sake of a discussion. If I actually cared to discuss the particulars of Rollins/Balor I can, but I was countering generalities with generalities. He said it was well-paced while not saying HOW it was specifically well-paced so I countered by saying the pace was off. If you want me to specifically cite why I feel that way, I can. But that's clearly not what we were discussing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 03/19/17 5:00:15 PM #221:	Like we didn't go into the "here's why" because we're not actually actively trying to hash out our feelings about the match. It was just an example he quickly cited. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:875436204] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote>Like we didn't go into the "here's why" because we're not actually actively trying to hash out our feelings about the match. It was just an example he quickly cited.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 03/19/17 5:14:31 PM #222:	TheRock1525 posted... Like we didn't go into the "here's why" because we're not actually actively trying to hash out our feelings about the match. It was just an example he quickly cited. Yeah, I agree with that. But the argument centers (mostly) on the idea that objectivity doesn't exist. And that's not really correct because you can objectively tell if something is well executed or not (and argue why). The subjective part is how much value you place on it (for example, if you think the story was done poorly and that's a big deal you're not going to love the match, and if you explain why it's so, everybody will respect that opinion even if they disagree with it). Scarlet and Wang are saying that it's important to divorce personal value of various things with their objective execution. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:875437018] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Like we didn't go into the "here's why" because we're not actually actively trying to hash out our feelings about the match. It was just an example he quickly cited.</quote> Yeah, I agree with that. But the argument centers (mostly) on the idea that objectivity doesn't exist. And that's not really correct because you can objectively tell if something is well executed or not (and argue why). The subjective part is how much value you place on it (for example, if you think the story was done poorly and that's a big deal you're not going to love the match, and if you explain why it's so, everybody will respect that opinion even if they disagree with it). Scarlet and Wang are saying that it's important to divorce personal value of various things with their objective execution.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 03/19/17 5:22:54 PM #223:	TheRock1525 posted... EmDubyaSee posted... Eddv posted... ffmasterjose posted... They f*ed up Sasha so much after her main roster debut Her Mic ability has been laughably bad. Like....horribly bad. She has been supplied some real losers in terms if lines and situations - but so has Charlotte. She has adapted in ways that protect herself which is what the people who succeed under Vince do - survive the bad ideas, knock the good ones out of the park. She may in fact be more skilled but Charlotte is better at the WWE and considering sasha would be pretty low tier at an actual womens promotion or joshi promotion it really doesnt matter what her theoretical ceiling is because shes well below all manner of celings and barriers right now. Honestly Bayley is handling her bad writing a whole lot better and has a better long term set of prosects than Sasha but Charlotte is gonna be the cream of tbat division for a long time even if she didnt desrrve it when wwe began treating her that way CAUSE SHES A HEEL!!! Her gimmick is literally that she is the boss.... how the hell do you make that a face? You don't, unless you are fing WWE. You make it a face because people are cheering for her. Blame fans for the fact that when she was a heel with Team BAD doing heelish things they still felt the need to cheer for her. Yup The fans turned her. Nothing to be done about it becauze the fans still dont blame her for being s*, they blame wwe. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason* http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:875437578] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EmDubyaSee posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ffmasterjose posted...</cite> <quote>They f*ed up Sasha so much after her main roster debut</quote> Her Mic ability has been laughably bad. Like....horribly bad. She has been supplied some real losers in terms if lines and situations - but so has Charlotte. She has adapted in ways that protect herself which is what the people who succeed under Vince do - survive the bad ideas, knock the good ones out of the park. She may in fact be more skilled but Charlotte is better at the WWE and considering sasha would be pretty low tier at an actual womens promotion or joshi promotion it really doesnt matter what her theoretical ceiling is because shes well below all manner of celings and barriers right now. Honestly Bayley is handling her bad writing a whole lot better and has a better long term set of prosects than Sasha but Charlotte is gonna be the cream of tbat division for a long time even if she didnt desrrve it when wwe began treating her that way</quote> CAUSE SHES A HEEL!!! Her gimmick is literally that she is the boss.... how the hell do you make that a face? You don't, unless you are fing WWE.</quote> You make it a face because people are cheering for her. Blame fans for the fact that when she was a heel with Team BAD doing heelish things they still felt the need to cheer for her.</quote> Yup The fans turned her. Nothing to be done about it becauze the fans still dont blame her for being s**, they blame wwe.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 03/19/17 5:43:45 PM #224:	honestly i don't think you had any choice but to turn her face there. fortunately, we have bayley now. sasha is teasing that turn hard but we ain't there yet. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:875438790] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote>honestly i don't think you had any choice but to turn her face there. fortunately, we have bayley now. sasha is teasing that turn hard but we ain't there yet.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 03/19/17 5:46:20 PM #225:	KanzarisKelshen posted... TheRock1525 posted... Like we didn't go into the "here's why" because we're not actually actively trying to hash out our feelings about the match. It was just an example he quickly cited. Yeah, I agree with that. But the argument centers (mostly) on the idea that objectivity doesn't exist. And that's not really correct because you can objectively tell if something is well executed or not (and argue why). The subjective part is how much value you place on it (for example, if you think the story was done poorly and that's a big deal you're not going to love the match, and if you explain why it's so, everybody will respect that opinion even if they disagree with it). Scarlet and Wang are saying that it's important to divorce personal value of various things with their objective execution. I'm kinda busy so I can't directly address but I'd just like to quickly add that last year gave us Osperay/Ricochet and The Final Deletion which are definitely two things that followed nowhere near "objective" things that make good wrestling matches. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:875438961] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote><cite>KanzarisKelshen posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Like we didn't go into the "here's why" because we're not actually actively trying to hash out our feelings about the match. It was just an example he quickly cited.</quote> Yeah, I agree with that. But the argument centers (mostly) on the idea that objectivity doesn't exist. And that's not really correct because you can objectively tell if something is well executed or not (and argue why). The subjective part is how much value you place on it (for example, if you think the story was done poorly and that's a big deal you're not going to love the match, and if you explain why it's so, everybody will respect that opinion even if they disagree with it). Scarlet and Wang are saying that it's important to divorce personal value of various things with their objective execution.</quote> I'm kinda busy so I can't directly address but I'd just like to quickly add that last year gave us Osperay/Ricochet and The Final Deletion which are definitely two things that followed nowhere near "objective" things that make good wrestling matches.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 03/19/17 6:02:15 PM #226:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVDPIfpHb2g GL Zack --- Check out my entertainment blog!: www.heroicbiz.com I discuss video games, comics, movies, and TV! <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:875439988] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVDPIfpHb2g GL Zack</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 03/19/17 6:05:51 PM #227:	the big issue of ospreay vs ricochet lies not in the wrestlers per se, it's in the match. i don't think anyone would question that they're two of the best high fliers in the world. by any objective metric you could ask for, whether it be variety of moves, safe and proper execution of moves, cardio, agility, reflexes, etc, they're right at the very top or at least high enough that it's not a major factor in that style (for the case of cardio or weight lifting). people were torn on the way the two made the match against each other. that opens a lot more room for subjectivity, yes, especially if their goal wasn't the most traditional match. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:875440218] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote>the big issue of ospreay vs ricochet lies not in the wrestlers per se, it's in the match. i don't think anyone would question that they're two of the best high fliers in the world. by any objective metric you could ask for, whether it be variety of moves, safe and proper execution of moves, cardio, agility, reflexes, etc, they're right at the very top or at least high enough that it's not a major factor in that style (for the case of cardio or weight lifting). people were torn on the way the two made the match against each other. that opens a lot more room for subjectivity, yes, especially if their goal wasn't the most traditional match.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 03/19/17 6:07:45 PM #228:	...wow, Ryder with facial hair looks a LOT like Gulak. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:875440346] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote>...wow, Ryder with facial hair looks a LOT like Gulak.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 03/19/17 6:54:59 PM #229:	I challenge APWT to this sporcle quiz: https://www.sporcle.com/games/Retracto/2016-pwi-250 EDIT: I got 155. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:875443374] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote>I challenge APWT to this sporcle quiz: https://www.sporcle.com/games/Retracto/2016-pwi-250 EDIT: I got 155.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NBIceman 03/19/17 8:48:50 PM #230:	So, uh... Looks like those Kaitlyn leaks were indeed real. >_> --- http://i.imgur.com/UYamul2.gif The silver lining seldom lies in sight too plain to see <cite>NBIceman posted [p:875450509] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote> So, uh... Looks like those Kaitlyn leaks were indeed real. >_></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
davidponte 03/19/17 9:13:54 PM #231:	Indeed they were --- https://psnprofiles.com/Simmons-94 <cite>davidponte posted [p:875451893] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote>Indeed they were</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 03/19/17 9:15:41 PM #232:	maria had a few pictures leak as well. though it's not as big a deal with her as she's already done a topless movie and it's nowhere close to as incriminating. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:875451997] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote>maria had a few pictures leak as well. though it's not as big a deal with her as she's already done a topless movie and it's nowhere close to as incriminating.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 03/19/17 9:27:08 PM #233:	although woods did make a rather subtle comment on the responses he's had... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSOb6PgmsJY --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:875452638] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote>although woods did make a rather subtle comment on the responses he's had... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSOb6PgmsJY</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 03/19/17 9:35:10 PM #234:	RPGlord95 posted... The joy i get from Great Khali brain chopping people is not the same feeling others get. ^5 --- Boko United- GROUND \| TITAN \| MUSTAAAAAADIOOOOO! survivor and dillos and nintendo and caelus and wrestling and uca <cite>GTM posted [p:875453012] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote><cite>RPGlord95 posted...</cite> <quote>The joy i get from Great Khali brain chopping people is not the same feeling others get. </quote> ^5</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 03/19/17 11:51:50 PM #235:	This Paige ride appears to never be ending, but enough about that. Joey Ryan and Danshoku Dino are having their first ever singles match --- Dr voltchball - best in the world. More dominant than Conte's Juventus, that is DpOblivion's guru bracket. <cite>voltch posted [p:875458225] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote>This Paige ride appears to never be ending, but enough about that. Joey Ryan and Danshoku Dino are having their first ever singles match</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 03/20/17 3:48:23 AM #236:	DDT running the Tokyo dome This is basically like if PWG decided to run the rose bowl --- Dr voltchball - best in the world. More dominant than Conte's Juventus, that is DpOblivion's guru bracket. <cite>voltch posted [p:875463903] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote>DDT running the Tokyo dome This is basically like if PWG decided to run the rose bowl</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RaidenZeroX 03/20/17 4:22:41 AM #237:	I don't know if they can get away with firing/suspending Paige for this. When it happened to Rollins did they do anything? --- RaidenZeroX: The Cream of Maya Fey Fanboyism. <cite>RaidenZeroX posted [p:875464701] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote>I don't know if they can get away with firing/suspending Paige for this. When it happened to Rollins did they do anything?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tom Bombadil 03/20/17 4:30:01 AM #238:	I think they just waited for him to get injured again --- Dance to your shadow when there's nothin' better near ye The problem is the racism against cute Pokemon.- Luster Soldier <cite>Tom Bombadil posted [p:875464871] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote>I think they just waited for him to get injured again</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RaidenZeroX 03/20/17 4:36:47 AM #239:	Maybe we'll get lucky and Roman will get popped for drugs a second time so his overpush will take some time off again. --- RaidenZeroX: The Cream of Maya Fey Fanboyism. <cite>RaidenZeroX posted [p:875465035] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote>Maybe we'll get lucky and Roman will get popped for drugs a second time so his overpush will take some time off again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 03/20/17 6:42:40 AM #240:	RaidenZeroX posted... I don't know if they can get away with firing/suspending Paige for this. When it happened to Rollins did they do anything? There's a lot about how wrestlers are treated that you wouldn't think companies could get away with --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:875469503] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote> <cite>RaidenZeroX posted...</cite> <quote>I don't know if they can get away with firing/suspending Paige for this. When it happened to Rollins did they do anything?</quote> There's a lot about how wrestlers are treated that you wouldn't think companies could get away with</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 03/20/17 6:48:10 AM #241:	RaidenZeroX posted... I don't know if they can get away with firing/suspending Paige for this. When it happened to Rollins did they do anything? Given that Paige wants to be fired they may just quietly force her into sitting in florida somewhere --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:875469769] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote><cite>RaidenZeroX posted...</cite> <quote>I don't know if they can get away with firing/suspending Paige for this. When it happened to Rollins did they do anything?</quote> Given that Paige wants to be fired they may just quietly force her into sitting in florida somewhere</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tom Bombadil 03/20/17 7:02:23 AM #242:	I for one am looking forward to Paige on Talking Smack --- Dance to your shadow when there's nothin' better near ye The problem is the racism against cute Pokemon.- Luster Soldier <cite>Tom Bombadil posted [p:875470496] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote>I for one am looking forward to Paige on Talking Smack</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 03/20/17 7:36:43 AM #243:	RaidenZeroX posted... I don't know if they can get away with firing/suspending Paige for this. When it happened to Rollins did they do anything? The only thing is that Paige is constantly a problem and there's a pattern with her. But the major thing is the money shot with the NXT Women's title. It's pretty trashy. What sucks is that Xavier may need to get punished too if they punish Paige. --- Check out my entertainment blog!: www.heroicbiz.com I discuss video games, comics, movies, and TV! <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:875472220] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote><cite>RaidenZeroX posted...</cite> <quote>I don't know if they can get away with firing/suspending Paige for this. When it happened to Rollins did they do anything?</quote> The only thing is that Paige is constantly a problem and there's a pattern with her. But the major thing is the money shot with the NXT Women's title. It's pretty trashy. What sucks is that Xavier may need to get punished too if they punish Paige.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mega Mana 03/20/17 8:13:15 AM #244:	Oh man, these pictures of Kaitlyn... http://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2017/3/19/14975676/aj-lee-kaitlyn-instagram-photo --- "If you've been in the Rumble all this time, you must be really tired." - Adam Rose to Curtis Axel #SocialOutcasts <cite>Mega Mana posted [p:875474096] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote>Oh man, these pictures of Kaitlyn... http://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2017/3/19/14975676/aj-lee-kaitlyn-instagram-photo</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RaidenZeroX 03/20/17 9:05:41 AM #245:	I really like the second one. --- RaidenZeroX: The Cream of Maya Fey Fanboyism. <cite>RaidenZeroX posted [p:875477244] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote>I really like the second one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 03/20/17 12:12:40 PM #246:	Oh damn, Jim Cornette to induct the Rock & Roll Express. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:875489625] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote>Oh damn, Jim Cornette to induct the Rock & Roll Express.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 03/20/17 12:13:59 PM #247:	This has serious potential. Also I hope Dash and Dawson beat him up in an angle during the induction. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:875489731] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote>This has serious potential. Also I hope Dash and Dawson beat him up in an angle during the induction.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 03/20/17 12:14:48 PM #248:	Btw I found out a friend I made in Florida is friends with a person who's friends with Paige. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:875489791] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote>Btw I found out a friend I made in Florida is friends with a person who's friends with Paige.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RaidenZeroX 03/20/17 12:57:52 PM #249:	Get the friend to have the friend have the friend get Paige to join board 8! --- RaidenZeroX: The Cream of Maya Fey Fanboyism. <cite>RaidenZeroX posted [p:875492725] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote>Get the friend to have the friend have the friend get Paige to join board 8!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 03/20/17 1:02:28 PM #250:	TheRock1525 posted... Btw I found out a friend I made in Florida is friends with a person who's friends with Paige. Is it Florida Man? --- Check out my entertainment blog!: www.heroicbiz.com I discuss video games, comics, movies, and TV! <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:875493049] in All-Purpos... [t:75125447]...</cite> <quote> <cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Btw I found out a friend I made in Florida is friends with a person who's friends with Paige.</quote> Is it Florida Man?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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