Board 8 > Marvel's Iron Fist show is taking a beating from critics [netflix]

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PrivateBiscuit1 03/09/17 3:41:58 PM #101:	profDEADPOOL posted... I think this ignores the actual story but... that is also on Marvel for it not being clear to people who haven't read Immortal Iron Fist. K'un L'un isn't like a city in China or Tibet or Japan. It is its own mystical place in its own dimension that sometimes becomes connected to the Earth so people can visit it. And the Iron Fist is almost always an outsider. From the internal politics perspective whether Danny Rand is Chinese, Japanese, or White he would still be not a K'un-Lunan. Now that of course isn't to say that this makes it avoid the white savior archetype but to be more accurate the story of the Iron Fists in general is almost always foreign saviors. I agree there is a degree of "white savior" kind of deal there, but he's never been the "white savior" of K'un L'un because it's not his goal to save them. He's just a guy who had an Asian culture raise him after his parents died when he was very young. He has nothing to live for, and thus he puts his everything into becoming the best fighter he can be while being accepted by this culture after they show him kindness. He achieves their greatest ability (the Iron Fist) and then promptly leaves. He is then faced with another culture shock... in his own people's culture. The culture shock being an American returning to America after having not been there for his entire life, and having to adapt and try to take his place at his parents' company. I would say if he had to become the greatest hero of his Asian culture and fought to defend them, then he would certainly be a "white savior". But the story isn't really about that. He's trying to save the people in his American culture. He's the white savior to American culture. --- Check out my entertainment blog!: www.heroicbiz.com I discuss video games, comics, movies, and TV! <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:874736434] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote> <cite>profDEADPOOL posted...</cite> <quote>I think this ignores the actual story but... that is also on Marvel for it not being clear to people who haven't read Immortal Iron Fist. K'un L'un isn't like a city in China or Tibet or Japan. It is its own mystical place in its own dimension that sometimes becomes connected to the Earth so people can visit it. And the Iron Fist is almost always an outsider. From the internal politics perspective whether Danny Rand is Chinese, Japanese, or White he would still be not a K'un-Lunan. Now that of course isn't to say that this makes it avoid the white savior archetype but to be more accurate the story of the Iron Fists in general is almost always foreign saviors.</quote> I agree there is a degree of "white savior" kind of deal there, but he's never been the "white savior" of K'un L'un because it's not his goal to save them. He's just a guy who had an Asian culture raise him after his parents died when he was very young. He has nothing to live for, and thus he puts his everything into becoming the best fighter he can be while being accepted by this culture after they show him kindness. He achieves their greatest ability (the Iron Fist) and then promptly leaves. He is then faced with another culture shock... in his own people's culture. The culture shock being an American returning to America after having not been there for his entire life, and having to adapt and try to take his place at his parents' company. I would say if he had to become the greatest hero of his Asian culture and fought to defend them, then he would certainly be a "white savior". But the story isn't really about that. He's trying to save the people in his American culture. He's the white savior to American culture.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 03/09/17 3:49:19 PM #102:	PrivateBiscuit1 posted... Eddv posted... A lot of them sort of are - this criticism didnt just form out of thin air. I'm not a big proponent of this sort of s*** because I think its banal trivia, but they have a legit grievance and telling them they don't just makes them feel like you're a closet racist. You mean like when people say "this is racist and offensive" and you are made to feel like a closet racist because you don't agree with said racism? We're at the point where disagreeing when someone says something is racist and trying to discuss it implies someone should make them think that you're a closet racist. I hope you can see that problem there. What part of scarlet s post is discussion? Hes lashing out because someone doesnt like a nerd thing he likes and denying that any of it is at all problematic in a flat manner. Like profs post? No one is going to think hes denying there are problems while still defending iron fist in general and saying it can work. Theres a whole world of difference here --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:874736859] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote><cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote>A lot of them sort of are - this criticism didnt just form out of thin air. I'm not a big proponent of this sort of s*** because I think its banal trivia, but they have a legit grievance and telling them they don't just makes them feel like you're a closet racist.</quote> You mean like when people say "this is racist and offensive" and you are made to feel like a closet racist because you don't agree with said racism? We're at the point where disagreeing when someone says something is racist and trying to discuss it implies someone should make them think that you're a closet racist. I hope you can see that problem there.</quote> What part of scarlet s post is discussion? Hes lashing out because someone doesnt like a nerd thing he likes and denying that any of it is at all problematic in a flat manner. Like profs post? No one is going to think hes denying there are problems while still defending iron fist in general and saying it can work. Theres a whole world of difference here</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JonThePenguin 03/09/17 3:50:03 PM #103:	Mr Lasastryke posted... ah ok. edit: i don't think the fantastic four had fluctuations >_> unless we're counting the weird animated series that had a robot instead of human torch. Nah, they still do. Probably not as often as other teams, since they're bound so tightly, but there are times someone else will fill in. I think it was shortly after Civil War, for example, that Reed and Sue went away to work on their marriage (they'd ended up on opposing sides) while Black Panther and Storm, who were married at the time, filled their spots on the team. --- JonThePenguin http://www.backloggery.com/main.php?user=erunion <cite>JonThePenguin posted [p:874736917] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Lasastryke posted...</cite> <quote>ah ok. edit: i don't think the fantastic four had fluctuations >_> unless we're counting the weird animated series that had a robot instead of human torch.</quote> Nah, they still do. Probably not as often as other teams, since they're bound so tightly, but there are times someone else will fill in. I think it was shortly after Civil War, for example, that Reed and Sue went away to work on their marriage (they'd ended up on opposing sides) while Black Panther and Storm, who were married at the time, filled their spots on the team.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 03/09/17 3:50:07 PM #104:	If it's a white guy saving a bunch of Asian people? Racist. White savior. If it's a white guy saving a bunch of white people? Racist. Only white people in the show. Really your only option is to never use the white guy in the main character role, or be sure the region it takes place in is super diverse or made of like smurfs or something. Those Avatar dudes had it right I guess. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:874736922] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote>If it's a white guy saving a bunch of Asian people? Racist. White savior. If it's a white guy saving a bunch of white people? Racist. Only white people in the show. Really your only option is to never use the white guy in the main character role, or be sure the region it takes place in is super diverse or made of like smurfs or something. Those Avatar dudes had it right I guess.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 03/09/17 3:50:14 PM #105:	Eddv posted... What part of scarlet s post is discussion? Hes lashing out because someone doesnt like a nerd thing he likes and denying that any of it is at all problematic in a flat manner. Well it's clear that you don't want to have discussion. Thanks for the personal attacks. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:874736934] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote><cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote>What part of scarlet s post is discussion? Hes lashing out because someone doesnt like a nerd thing he likes and denying that any of it is at all problematic in a flat manner.</quote> Well it's clear that you don't want to have discussion. Thanks for the personal attacks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 03/09/17 3:51:54 PM #106:	@Mr_Lasastryke Went to dig this up so you could see just how weird the Fantastic Four gets: https://dailypop.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/ffroster_allred.jpg?w=690 --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:874737038] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote>@Mr_Lasastryke Went to dig this up so you could see just how weird the Fantastic Four gets: https://dailypop.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/ffroster_allred.jpg?w=690</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 03/09/17 3:55:54 PM #107:	Eddv posted... PrivateBiscuit1 posted... Eddv posted... A lot of them sort of are - this criticism didnt just form out of thin air. I'm not a big proponent of this sort of s* because I think its banal trivia, but they have a legit grievance and telling them they don't just makes them feel like you're a closet racist. You mean like when people say "this is racist and offensive" and you are made to feel like a closet racist because you don't agree with said racism? We're at the point where disagreeing when someone says something is racist and trying to discuss it implies someone should make them think that you're a closet racist. I hope you can see that problem there. What part of scarlet s post is discussion? Hes lashing out because someone doesnt like a nerd thing he likes and denying that any of it is at all problematic in a flat manner. Like profs post? No one is going to think hes denying there are problems while still ddefending iron fist in general. Theres a whole world of difference here Well, you were replying to my post with that, not scarlet's, so I wasn't sure what, specifically, you were referring to. I don't disagree with the way he's trying to talk to you about it, but I will say some of what he's saying has merit. I don't necessarily think it makes him look like a closet racist at all though, so much as a whiny nerd. --- Check out my entertainment blog!: www.heroicbiz.com I discuss video games, comics, movies, and TV! <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:874737291] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote><cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote><cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote>A lot of them sort of are - this criticism didnt just form out of thin air. I'm not a big proponent of this sort of s* because I think its banal trivia, but they have a legit grievance and telling them they don't just makes them feel like you're a closet racist.</quote> You mean like when people say "this is racist and offensive" and you are made to feel like a closet racist because you don't agree with said racism? We're at the point where disagreeing when someone says something is racist and trying to discuss it implies someone should make them think that you're a closet racist. I hope you can see that problem there.</quote> What part of scarlet s post is discussion? Hes lashing out because someone doesnt like a nerd thing he likes and denying that any of it is at all problematic in a flat manner. Like profs post? No one is going to think hes denying there are problems while still ddefending iron fist in general. Theres a whole world of difference here</quote> Well, you were replying to my post with that, not scarlet's, so I wasn't sure what, specifically, you were referring to. I don't disagree with the way he's trying to talk to you about it, but I will say some of what he's saying has merit. I don't necessarily think it makes him look like a closet racist at all though, so much as a whiny nerd.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 03/09/17 3:58:19 PM #108:	PrivateBiscuit1 posted... I don't necessarily think it makes him look like a closet racist at all though, so much as a whiny nerd. It's pretty clear that I don't care what race Iron Fist is. I care about someone being crucified because they made a white character a white character. I have said for years on this board that I could care less if people stay true to the comics. It's better not to in most instances. So that makes me a whiny nerd? Okay. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:874737473] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote><cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't necessarily think it makes him look like a closet racist at all though, so much as a whiny nerd.</quote> It's pretty clear that I don't care what race Iron Fist is. I care about someone being crucified because they made a white character a white character. I have said for years on this board that I could care less if people stay true to the comics. It's better not to in most instances. So that makes me a whiny nerd? Okay.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 03/09/17 3:59:40 PM #109:	PrivateBiscuit1 posted... Eddv posted... PrivateBiscuit1 posted... Eddv posted... A lot of them sort of are - this criticism didnt just form out of thin air. I'm not a big proponent of this sort of s*** because I think its banal trivia, but they have a legit grievance and telling them they don't just makes them feel like you're a closet racist. You mean like when people say "this is racist and offensive" and you are made to feel like a closet racist because you don't agree with said racism? We're at the point where disagreeing when someone says something is racist and trying to discuss it implies someone should make them think that you're a closet racist. I hope you can see that problem there. What part of scarlet s post is discussion? Hes lashing out because someone doesnt like a nerd thing he likes and denying that any of it is at all problematic in a flat manner. Like profs post? No one is going to think hes denying there are problems while still ddefending iron fist in general. Theres a whole world of difference here Well, you were replying to my post with that, not scarlet's, so I wasn't sure what, specifically, you were referring to. I don't disagree with the way he's trying to talk to you about it, but I will say some of what he's saying has merit. I don't necessarily think it makes him look like a closet racist at all though, so much as a whiny nerd. Right - and he is a whiny nerd. That's a correct interpretation of the text and the one I get out of it too. But I am a white male, and don't have particularly strong personalized feelings about the way in which asians are portrayed in media and can see it as such. To others, especially say asian tv critics who see this sort of thing all over the place theyre going to see scarlets comment and interpret it in their (also correct by the way) context which is that this is the sort of thing racists say in addition to being the kind of thing whiny nerds say and that's going to drive the wedge further when it doesn't have to be. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:874737561] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote><cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote><cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote>A lot of them sort of are - this criticism didnt just form out of thin air. I'm not a big proponent of this sort of s*** because I think its banal trivia, but they have a legit grievance and telling them they don't just makes them feel like you're a closet racist.</quote> You mean like when people say "this is racist and offensive" and you are made to feel like a closet racist because you don't agree with said racism? We're at the point where disagreeing when someone says something is racist and trying to discuss it implies someone should make them think that you're a closet racist. I hope you can see that problem there.</quote> What part of scarlet s post is discussion? Hes lashing out because someone doesnt like a nerd thing he likes and denying that any of it is at all problematic in a flat manner. Like profs post? No one is going to think hes denying there are problems while still ddefending iron fist in general. Theres a whole world of difference here</quote> Well, you were replying to my post with that, not scarlet's, so I wasn't sure what, specifically, you were referring to. I don't disagree with the way he's trying to talk to you about it, but I will say some of what he's saying has merit. I don't necessarily think it makes him look like a closet racist at all though, so much as a whiny nerd.</quote> Right - and he is a whiny nerd. That's a correct interpretation of the text and the one I get out of it too. But I am a white male, and don't have particularly strong personalized feelings about the way in which asians are portrayed in media and can see it as such. To others, especially say asian tv critics who see this sort of thing all over the place theyre going to see scarlets comment and interpret it in their (also correct by the way) context which is that this is the sort of thing racists say in addition to being the kind of thing whiny nerds say and that's going to drive the wedge further when it doesn't have to be.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 03/09/17 4:01:35 PM #110:	I'll take a whiny nerd over a whiny sjw any day. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:874737669] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote>I'll take a whiny nerd over a whiny sjw any day.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 03/09/17 4:08:27 PM #111:	Eddv posted... Right - and he is a whiny nerd. That's a correct interpretation of the text and the one I get out of it too. I don't think I've ever called you a name or made a personal attack against you Ed. You've legitimately hurt my feelings, and I'm unfriending you on GameFAQs. I guess if that makes me whiny, because I don't like someone hurling personal attacks at me, then you stand vindicated. I thought we were having a nice, passionate discussion. I guess disagreeing with you means that I should be categorized as a racist and a whiny nerd. Apparently my point of view has no merit and I should just tow the Eddv party line or else I'm whiny. I guess I have to bow out of this conversation since your bullying tactics have won the day for you. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:874738077] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote> <cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote>Right - and he is a whiny nerd. That's a correct interpretation of the text and the one I get out of it too. </quote> I don't think I've ever called you a name or made a personal attack against you Ed. You've legitimately hurt my feelings, and I'm unfriending you on GameFAQs. I guess if that makes me whiny, because I don't like someone hurling personal attacks at me, then you stand vindicated. I thought we were having a nice, passionate discussion. I guess disagreeing with you means that I should be categorized as a racist and a whiny nerd. Apparently my point of view has no merit and I should just tow the Eddv party line or else I'm whiny. I guess I have to bow out of this conversation since your bullying tactics have won the day for you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 03/09/17 4:11:05 PM #112:	Yoire right scarlet cant have white protagonists anymore no sireebob. People just hate captain america, iron man, hawkeye, hulk, thor, star lord, and Daredevil. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:874738238] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote>Yoire right scarlet cant have white protagonists anymore no sireebob. People just hate captain america, iron man, hawkeye, hulk, thor, star lord, and Daredevil.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 03/09/17 4:12:44 PM #113:	scarletspeed7 posted... @Mr_Lasastryke Went to dig this up so you could see just how weird the Fantastic Four gets: https://dailypop.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/ffroster_allred.jpg?w=690 uhh... that is a thing. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:874738344] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote><cite>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote>@Mr_Lasastryke Went to dig this up so you could see just how weird the Fantastic Four gets: https://dailypop.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/ffroster_allred.jpg?w=690</quote> uhh... that is a thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 03/09/17 4:14:45 PM #114:	Like seriously you're arguing that we should arbitrarily change the races in the story because it could be perceived some way otherwise. I'll side with the guy who thinks we should be true to the source material over stepping on eggshells to be PC any day. The presentation is what matters. Racial distributions should not be considered a big deal unless the story presents them improperly-- in which case your issue shouldn't be "this guy is white and he's helping out Asians" as much as "this guy is white and they portray all the Asians as subservient to the white guy." Scarlet is 100% right that that this basically happens in Harry Potter. The foreign hero story shouldn't be condemned just because it's a foreign hero story. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:874738453] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote>Like seriously you're arguing that we should arbitrarily change the races in the story because it could be perceived some way otherwise. I'll side with the guy who thinks we should be true to the source material over stepping on eggshells to be PC any day. The presentation is what matters. Racial distributions should not be considered a big deal unless the story presents them improperly-- in which case your issue shouldn't be "this guy is white and he's helping out Asians" as much as "this guy is white and they portray all the Asians as subservient to the white guy." Scarlet is 100% right that that this basically happens in Harry Potter. The foreign hero story shouldn't be condemned just because it's a foreign hero story.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 03/09/17 4:14:54 PM #115:	scarletspeed7 posted... Eddv posted... Right - and he is a whiny nerd. That's a correct interpretation of the text and the one I get out of it too. I don't think I've ever called you a name or made a personal attack against you Ed. You've legitimately hurt my feelings, and I'm unfriending you on GameFAQs. I guess if that makes me whiny, because I don't like someone hurling personal attacks at me, then you stand vindicated. I thought we were having a nice, passionate discussion. I guess disagreeing with you means that I should be categorized as a racist and a whiny nerd. Apparently my point of view has no merit and I should just tow the Eddv party line or else I'm whiny. I guess I have to bow out of this conversation since your bullying tactics have won the day for you. I have gone too far and I am sorry. I shouldnt have called you a whiny nerd --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:874738461] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote><cite>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote>Right - and he is a whiny nerd. That's a correct interpretation of the text and the one I get out of it too. </quote> I don't think I've ever called you a name or made a personal attack against you Ed. You've legitimately hurt my feelings, and I'm unfriending you on GameFAQs. I guess if that makes me whiny, because I don't like someone hurling personal attacks at me, then you stand vindicated. I thought we were having a nice, passionate discussion. I guess disagreeing with you means that I should be categorized as a racist and a whiny nerd. Apparently my point of view has no merit and I should just tow the Eddv party line or else I'm whiny. I guess I have to bow out of this conversation since your bullying tactics have won the day for you.</quote> I have gone too far and I am sorry. I shouldnt have called you a whiny nerd</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unknown_voter 03/09/17 4:15:29 PM #116:	I hate Thor cause they made Heimdall black. Please respect Norse culture. <cite>Unknown_voter posted [p:874738492] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote>I hate Thor cause they made Heimdall black. Please respect Norse culture.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 03/09/17 4:15:53 PM #117:	scarletspeed7 posted... I thought we were having a nice, passionate discussion. Dude, read back your posts and say you were having a nice discussion. --- Check out my entertainment blog!: www.heroicbiz.com I discuss video games, comics, movies, and TV! <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:874738517] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote><cite>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote>I thought we were having a nice, passionate discussion.</quote> Dude, read back your posts and say you were having a nice discussion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 03/09/17 4:16:36 PM #118:	Lopen posted... Like seriously you're arguing that we should arbitrarily change the races in the story because it could be perceived some way otherwise. I'll side with the guy who thinks we should be true to the source material over stepping on eggshells to be PC any day. The presentation is what matters. Racial distributions should not be considered a big deal unless the story presents them improperly-- in which case your issue shouldn't be "this guy is white and he's helping out Asians" as much as "this guy is white and they portray all the Asians as subservient to the white guy." Scarlet is 100% right that that this basically happens in Harry Potter. The foreign hero story shouldn't be condemned just because it's a foreign hero story. My argument would be that you just should t make an iron fist tv show in this charged social environment we live in UNLESS you were willing to either change his race, change his backstory or handle the issue with loads and loads of care. Netflix chose to do none of the above --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:874738560] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote>Like seriously you're arguing that we should arbitrarily change the races in the story because it could be perceived some way otherwise. I'll side with the guy who thinks we should be true to the source material over stepping on eggshells to be PC any day. The presentation is what matters. Racial distributions should not be considered a big deal unless the story presents them improperly-- in which case your issue shouldn't be "this guy is white and he's helping out Asians" as much as "this guy is white and they portray all the Asians as subservient to the white guy." Scarlet is 100% right that that this basically happens in Harry Potter. The foreign hero story shouldn't be condemned just because it's a foreign hero story.</quote> My argument would be that you just should t make an iron fist tv show in this charged social environment we live in UNLESS you were willing to either change his race, change his backstory or handle the issue with loads and loads of care. Netflix chose to do none of the above</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 03/09/17 4:17:46 PM #119:	PrivateBiscuit1 posted... scarletspeed7 posted... I thought we were having a nice, passionate discussion. Dude, read back your posts and say you were having a nice discussion. I get passionate about having creative freedom in comics-related media. A genre, by the way, that really saved me when I was in a dark place; so I take comics personally, and the ability to have free creative expression. So I'm going to be a comics defender when I think there's an injustice. Nowhere in my posts do I attack Eddv personally. Do I vehemently disagree with his statements? Sure. And if that's all he did, I wouldn't care. It wouldn't affect my opinion of him. I liked Eddv. I thought he was a great user, someone with whom in the past I thought I COULD have this type of conversation. Ribbing a point of view is not the same as ribbing the integrity or personality of an individual. Instead of Eddv saying, "Hey, Adam Strange isn't a valid comparison because A, B, and C, he chose to say, "Hey, I don't give a rip about you as a human being with an opposing point of view because in my mind you are a whiny nerd so essentially get f*ed you racist." --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:874738621] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote><cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote>I thought we were having a nice, passionate discussion.</quote> Dude, read back your posts and say you were having a nice discussion.</quote> I get passionate about having creative freedom in comics-related media. A genre, by the way, that really saved me when I was in a dark place; so I take comics personally, and the ability to have free creative expression. So I'm going to be a comics defender when I think there's an injustice. Nowhere in my posts do I attack Eddv personally. Do I vehemently disagree with his statements? Sure. And if that's all he did, I wouldn't care. It wouldn't affect my opinion of him. I liked Eddv. I thought he was a great user, someone with whom in the past I thought I COULD have this type of conversation. Ribbing a point of view is not the same as ribbing the integrity or personality of an individual. Instead of Eddv saying, "Hey, Adam Strange isn't a valid comparison because A, B, and C, he chose to say, "Hey, I don't give a rip about you as a human being with an opposing point of view because in my mind you are a whiny nerd so essentially get f*ed you racist."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 03/09/17 4:21:43 PM #120:	Eddv posted... My argument would be that you just should t make an iron fist tv show in this charged social environment we live in UNLESS you were willing to either change his race, change his backstory or handle the issue with loads and loads of care. I'm sorry, but that's f**ing stupid The day everybody starts abiding by "You shouldn't make/do/say this because it may offend somebody" is the day we all wear gray and change our names to serial numbers, because the SJW culture is getting out of hand and soon everything will offend somebody --- SEP Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996* Step FOUR! Get Paid! http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/456/2z6v0qcgif.gif <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:874738866] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote><cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote>My argument would be that you just should t make an iron fist tv show in this charged social environment we live in UNLESS you were willing to either change his race, change his backstory or handle the issue with loads and loads of care.</quote> I'm sorry, but that's f***ing stupid The day everybody starts abiding by "You shouldn't make/do/say this because it may offend somebody" is the day we all wear gray and change our names to serial numbers, because the SJW culture is getting out of hand and soon everything will offend somebody</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 03/09/17 4:22:57 PM #121:	If we're in an environment where the concern of being racially diverse and being super careful to not offend anyone is to such an extent that we're crapping on a TV show entirely because of race proportions being true to the source material and not any of the content within it, the environment is the thing that's currently in the wrong and I commend Iron Fist for having the guts to not compromise from the original story. Being PC is not always good. At one point it was PC to own slaves after all. Society, if it can't accept a story entirely because a white guy happens to be the starring role in a foreign land, is going too far and it deserves a bit of bite back. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:874738946] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote> If we're in an environment where the concern of being racially diverse and being super careful to not offend anyone is to such an extent that we're crapping on a TV show entirely because of race proportions being true to the source material and not any of the content within it, the environment is the thing that's currently in the wrong and I commend Iron Fist for having the guts to not compromise from the original story. Being PC is not always good. At one point it was PC to own slaves after all. Society, if it can't accept a story entirely because a white guy happens to be the starring role in a foreign land, is going too far and it deserves a bit of bite back.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 03/09/17 4:24:41 PM #122:	Like, I'd agree if it was "The Asians are all subservient to the white guy" But it's not It's just "The white guy is the main character." They're not even looking at anything else. --- SEP Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/456/2z6v0qcgif.gif <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:874739032] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote>Like, I'd agree if it was "The Asians are all subservient to the white guy" But it's not It's just "The white guy is the main character." They're not even looking at anything else.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unknown_voter 03/09/17 4:25:02 PM #123:	Nobody cared when Batman had the same origin. For that matter nobody cared when Daredevil had to defeat all the Asian ninja with his hot Asian girlfriend (his master was also a white guy!) despite that also being fanboy fantasy nonsense. Comic books are juvenile fantasy escapes for white male nerds, just like video games. They aren't racist and sexist, just designed to be fantasies of people who are racist and sexist. These complaints are only being encountered because when you make a big budget TV show aimed at a wide audience, those people want it to be their fantasy too! So yeah, it should have been tailored as such but not because it's racist but because it's moronic. <cite>Unknown_voter posted [p:874739050] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote>Nobody cared when Batman had the same origin. For that matter nobody cared when Daredevil had to defeat all the Asian ninja with his hot Asian girlfriend (his master was also a white guy!) despite that also being fanboy fantasy nonsense. Comic books are juvenile fantasy escapes for white male nerds, just like video games. They aren't racist and sexist, just designed to be fantasies of people who are racist and sexist. These complaints are only being encountered because when you make a big budget TV show aimed at a wide audience, those people want it to be their fantasy too! So yeah, it should have been tailored as such but not because it's racist but because it's moronic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 03/09/17 4:25:11 PM #124:	Eddv posted... My argument would be that you just should t make an iron fist tv show in this charged social environment we live in UNLESS you were willing to either change his race, change his backstory or handle the issue with loads and loads of care. Netflix chose to do none of the above We haven't seen it though. Only select critics who know that their review will get more clicks if they talk about social issues and aren't afraid to blow it out of proportion when the masses aren't able to watch it for themselves and disagree with them have seen it. Maybe it does end up being racist, but if we're following the story as set up in the comics, I don't think it will be. Because his story isn't about being the savior of the Asian culture he got thrown into. It's about him being the savior to the American culture he got thrown back into, only taking values and ideals from that Asian culture that raised him (and I guess the immortal weapons of the Iron Fist too). --- Check out my entertainment blog!: www.heroicbiz.com I discuss video games, comics, movies, and TV! <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:874739058] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote><cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote>My argument would be that you just should t make an iron fist tv show in this charged social environment we live in UNLESS you were willing to either change his race, change his backstory or handle the issue with loads and loads of care. Netflix chose to do none of the above</quote> We haven't seen it though. Only select critics who know that their review will get more clicks if they talk about social issues and aren't afraid to blow it out of proportion when the masses aren't able to watch it for themselves and disagree with them have seen it. Maybe it does end up being racist, but if we're following the story as set up in the comics, I don't think it will be. Because his story isn't about being the savior of the Asian culture he got thrown into. It's about him being the savior to the American culture he got thrown back into, only taking values and ideals from that Asian culture that raised him (and I guess the immortal weapons of the Iron Fist too).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unknown_voter 03/09/17 4:26:03 PM #125:	Also scarlet is a whiny nerd <cite>Unknown_voter posted [p:874739103] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote>Also scarlet is a whiny nerd</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 03/09/17 4:34:03 PM #126:	Like, if anything, Iron Fist's story paints the Asian culture in a much better light. Because if they didn't take and raise Danny Rand, he would have been killed, he would never have been able to have the proper moral compass to be a hero without their teachings, and he would not have been able to get the power to do great good when he returned to where he belonged. If it's just an Asian man, it loses a lot of what makes it special. Danny Rand was a total outsider, as a white man, and they treated him like he was just another one of them. And in the end, isn't that a lesson we can all appreciate? --- Check out my entertainment blog!: www.heroicbiz.com I discuss video games, comics, movies, and TV! <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:874739655] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote>Like, if anything, Iron Fist's story paints the Asian culture in a much better light. Because if they didn't take and raise Danny Rand, he would have been killed, he would never have been able to have the proper moral compass to be a hero without their teachings, and he would not have been able to get the power to do great good when he returned to where he belonged. If it's just an Asian man, it loses a lot of what makes it special. Danny Rand was a total outsider, as a white man, and they treated him like he was just another one of them. And in the end, isn't that a lesson we can all appreciate?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
profDEADPOOL 03/09/17 4:40:21 PM #127:	Honestly what is bugging me in all this discussion is the ignoring of how Asian culture is pretty f*ing diverse. Like K'un L'un is based on Chinese mythology so if you want to avoid the foreign savior in general you better fing make the character Chinese instead of just Asian in general. Even more so when you look at things like WW2 having Iron Fist being Japanese is also kinda a big issue. --- profDEADPOOL* "I lost a bet to a guy in a chiffon skirt but I make these high heels work" <cite>profDEADPOOL posted [p:874740040] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote>Honestly what is bugging me in all this discussion is the ignoring of how Asian culture is pretty f*ing diverse. Like K'un L'un is based on Chinese mythology so if you want to avoid the foreign savior in general you better f*ing make the character Chinese instead of just Asian in general. Even more so when you look at things like WW2 having Iron Fist being Japanese is also kinda a big issue.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unknown_voter 03/09/17 4:40:24 PM #128:	Yeah, the reason all of the white guys must go east to learn proper morals and become true heroes is because the west is morally bankrupt and has bullies that steal their lunch money and call them whiny nerds. In the East, pale white skin is considered cool instead of a lame geek who needs to get a tan and go outside. When all the bullies in the west were angry with Adolf, where did he turn for help? The East. <cite>Unknown_voter posted [p:874740043] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, the reason all of the white guys must go east to learn proper morals and become true heroes is because the west is morally bankrupt and has bullies that steal their lunch money and call them whiny nerds. In the East, pale white skin is considered cool instead of a lame geek who needs to get a tan and go outside. When all the bullies in the west were angry with Adolf, where did he turn for help? The East.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
profDEADPOOL 03/09/17 4:50:16 PM #129:	PrivateBiscuit1 posted... If it's just an Asian man, it loses a lot of what makes it special. Danny Rand was a total outsider, as a white man, and they treated him like he was just another one of them. And in the end, isn't that a lesson we can all appreciate? This I disagree with. Davos was very much portrayed as his issue with Danny being that he wasn't a K'un-lulan not that he wasn't Asian. You can still do the total outsider story with anyone of any race due to K'un-L'un being in its own dimension and not being on Earth much. Anyone from any culture on Earth is from a different culture than K'un L'un's culture. --- profDEADPOOL "Hate your loser lyrics. Middle fingers in the air" <cite>profDEADPOOL posted [p:874740663] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote><cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted...</cite> <quote>If it's just an Asian man, it loses a lot of what makes it special. Danny Rand was a total outsider, as a white man, and they treated him like he was just another one of them. And in the end, isn't that a lesson we can all appreciate? </quote> This I disagree with. Davos was very much portrayed as his issue with Danny being that he wasn't a K'un-lulan not that he wasn't Asian. You can still do the total outsider story with anyone of any race due to K'un-L'un being in its own dimension and not being on Earth much. Anyone from any culture on Earth is from a different culture than K'un L'un's culture.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 03/09/17 4:55:22 PM #130:	profDEADPOOL posted... PrivateBiscuit1 posted... If it's just an Asian man, it loses a lot of what makes it special. Danny Rand was a total outsider, as a white man, and they treated him like he was just another one of them. And in the end, isn't that a lesson we can all appreciate? This I disagree with. Davos was very much portrayed as his issue with Danny being that he wasn't a K'un-lulan not that he wasn't Asian. You can still do the total outsider story with anyone of any race due to K'un-L'un being in its own dimension and not being on Earth much. Anyone from any culture on Earth is from a different culture than K'un L'un's culture. Well, Davos is also a bitter angry jerk who feels like he was screwed by his society and was willing to blame it on Danny and said it was crap because he's not even one of them. Everyone else was like "Davos, you're an awful jerk. Danny is one of us." --- Check out my entertainment blog!: www.heroicbiz.com I discuss video games, comics, movies, and TV! <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:874740966] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote><cite>profDEADPOOL posted...</cite> <quote><cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted...</cite> <quote>If it's just an Asian man, it loses a lot of what makes it special. Danny Rand was a total outsider, as a white man, and they treated him like he was just another one of them. And in the end, isn't that a lesson we can all appreciate? </quote> This I disagree with. Davos was very much portrayed as his issue with Danny being that he wasn't a K'un-lulan not that he wasn't Asian. You can still do the total outsider story with anyone of any race due to K'un-L'un being in its own dimension and not being on Earth much. Anyone from any culture on Earth is from a different culture than K'un L'un's culture.</quote> Well, Davos is also a bitter angry jerk who feels like he was screwed by his society and was willing to blame it on Danny and said it was crap because he's not even one of them. Everyone else was like "Davos, you're an awful jerk. Danny is one of us."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrGreenonion 03/09/17 5:01:13 PM #131:	I think the whole Danny Rand being white thing has something to do with the reaction. Not that it's a chief complaint, but it's made some people be predisposed to view the show negatively. Because as this topic has shown, there were things worth complaining about with the other Marvel Netflix shows, but people still liked them enough to have a positive impression overall. The race issue eroded goodwill. I'm of two minds about the issue myself. A more diverse cast isn't a bad idea, but isn't making the kung fu guy Asian kinda racist too? Why can't we change Jessica Jones to be Asian, or change Iron Fist to be some other race? Then we get diversity without stereotypes. --- SuperNiceDog didn't have to reconcile his name... But Dauntless Hunter is now MrGreenonion <cite>MrGreenonion posted [p:874741335] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote> I think the whole Danny Rand being white thing has something to do with the reaction. Not that it's a chief complaint, but it's made some people be predisposed to view the show negatively. Because as this topic has shown, there were things worth complaining about with the other Marvel Netflix shows, but people still liked them enough to have a positive impression overall. The race issue eroded goodwill. I'm of two minds about the issue myself. A more diverse cast isn't a bad idea, but isn't making the kung fu guy Asian kinda racist too? Why can't we change Jessica Jones to be Asian, or change Iron Fist to be some other race? Then we get diversity without stereotypes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
greengravy294 03/09/17 5:03:07 PM #132:	Unknown_voter posted... Also scarlet is a whiny nerd while this may be true some dude on a throwaway account arguing comic books is even worse let that sink in buddy --- Heck, the wheelchair might even become an asset- Proto or Auron shuttles him around while he blasts away. - Tom, on crippled Ryu http://i.imgur.com/tosbd7k.png <cite>greengravy294 posted [p:874741460] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote><cite>Unknown_voter posted...</cite> <quote>Also scarlet is a whiny nerd</quote> while this may be true some dude on a throwaway account arguing comic books is even worse let that sink in buddy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
profDEADPOOL 03/09/17 5:04:02 PM #133:	PrivateBiscuit1 posted... profDEADPOOL posted... PrivateBiscuit1 posted... If it's just an Asian man, it loses a lot of what makes it special. Danny Rand was a total outsider, as a white man, and they treated him like he was just another one of them. And in the end, isn't that a lesson we can all appreciate? This I disagree with. Davos was very much portrayed as his issue with Danny being that he wasn't a K'un-lulan not that he wasn't Asian. You can still do the total outsider story with anyone of any race due to K'un-L'un being in its own dimension and not being on Earth much. Anyone from any culture on Earth is from a different culture than K'un L'un's culture. Well, Davos is also a bitter angry jerk who feels like he was screwed by his society and was willing to blame it on Danny and said it was crap because he's not even one of them. Everyone else was like "Davos, you're an awful jerk. Danny is one of us." Yes but my point being all of that story would work just as well if he was Black or Japanese or Indian. The only real world race where he isn't a total outsider would be Chinese because K'un L'un is based on Chinese mythology and even that is iffy due to the difference between being born on Earth vs being born in K'un L'un. --- "We're here to fulfill every one of your dreams. A small nominal fee, it only costs you your soul." <cite>profDEADPOOL posted [p:874741500] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote><cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>profDEADPOOL posted...</cite> <quote><cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted...</cite> <quote>If it's just an Asian man, it loses a lot of what makes it special. Danny Rand was a total outsider, as a white man, and they treated him like he was just another one of them. And in the end, isn't that a lesson we can all appreciate? </quote> This I disagree with. Davos was very much portrayed as his issue with Danny being that he wasn't a K'un-lulan not that he wasn't Asian. You can still do the total outsider story with anyone of any race due to K'un-L'un being in its own dimension and not being on Earth much. Anyone from any culture on Earth is from a different culture than K'un L'un's culture.</quote> Well, Davos is also a bitter angry jerk who feels like he was screwed by his society and was willing to blame it on Danny and said it was crap because he's not even one of them. Everyone else was like "Davos, you're an awful jerk. Danny is one of us."</quote> Yes but my point being all of that story would work just as well if he was Black or Japanese or Indian. The only real world race where he isn't a total outsider would be Chinese because K'un L'un is based on Chinese mythology and even that is iffy due to the difference between being born on Earth vs being born in K'un L'un.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 03/09/17 5:17:29 PM #134:	Lopen posted... If we're in an environment where the concern of being racially diverse and being super careful to not offend anyone is to such an extent that we're crapping on a TV show entirely because of race proportions being true to the source material and not any of the content within it, the environment is the thing that's currently in the wrong and I commend Iron Fist for having the guts to not compromise from the original story. Being PC is not always good. At one point it was PC to own slaves after all. Society, if it can't accept a story entirely because a white guy happens to be the starring role in a foreign land, is going too far and it deserves a bit of bite back. It literally all depends on the level of care they use when handling the subject. Biscuit is right that this is all second hand info. But it sounds like they played it as white saviorism and played it straight. Regardless of how well the comics handle it --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:874742328] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote>If we're in an environment where the concern of being racially diverse and being super careful to not offend anyone is to such an extent that we're crapping on a TV show entirely because of race proportions being true to the source material and not any of the content within it, the environment is the thing that's currently in the wrong and I commend Iron Fist for having the guts to not compromise from the original story. Being PC is not always good. At one point it was PC to own slaves after all. Society, if it can't accept a story entirely because a white guy happens to be the starring role in a foreign land, is going too far and it deserves a bit of bite back.</quote> It literally all depends on the level of care they use when handling the subject. Biscuit is right that this is all second hand info. But it sounds like they played it as white saviorism and played it straight. Regardless of how well the comics handle it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
profDEADPOOL 03/09/17 5:19:35 PM #135:	Yeah it is very much wait and see when it is publicly out. Fraction handled it well in Immortal Iron Fist. But not every writer in the comics themselves have had the level of care necessary to tell it without being offensive. I mean I hope they handle it well but... it doesn't look likely especially if what Tony said about him training Colleen is true. --- And even if her plane crashes tonight she'll find some way to disappoint me, by not burning in the wreckage, or drowning at the bottom of the sea. <cite>profDEADPOOL posted [p:874742457] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote>Yeah it is very much wait and see when it is publicly out. Fraction handled it well in Immortal Iron Fist. But not every writer in the comics themselves have had the level of care necessary to tell it without being offensive. I mean I hope they handle it well but... it doesn't look likely especially if what Tony said about him training Colleen is true.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 03/09/17 5:33:36 PM #136:	profDEADPOOL posted... Yeah it is very much wait and see when it is publicly out. Fraction handled it well in Immortal Iron Fist. But not every writer in the comics themselves have had the level of care necessary to tell it without being offensive. I mean I hope they handle it well but... it doesn't look likely especially if what Tony said about him training Colleen is true. See, I'm waiting for context on this, even after seeing the review. This could be something as simple as Colleen going "I saw you do some of those moves. Where did you learn it? Show me how." And then he just shows her a move that she didn't know. Colleen's dojo is a dojo for children. It's not offensive if a dude that spent his life in a culture that is centered on martial arts teaches Colleen something cool. From the Colleen Wing featurette I saw on Facebook, it seems like she is a total f*ing badass, and I sincerely doubt it's anything like "lol Asian Woman, let me show you how to REALLY martial arts!" https://www.facebook.com/Marvel/videos/10154988424612488/ Like seriously, watch that and tell me it's going to be as simple as Danny showing up and going "So I'm going to teach you some moves, since you're not as good as me." --- Check out my entertainment blog!: www.heroicbiz.com I discuss video games, comics, movies, and TV! <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:874743286] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote><cite>profDEADPOOL posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah it is very much wait and see when it is publicly out. Fraction handled it well in Immortal Iron Fist. But not every writer in the comics themselves have had the level of care necessary to tell it without being offensive. I mean I hope they handle it well but... it doesn't look likely especially if what Tony said about him training Colleen is true.</quote> See, I'm waiting for context on this, even after seeing the review. This could be something as simple as Colleen going "I saw you do some of those moves. Where did you learn it? Show me how." And then he just shows her a move that she didn't know. Colleen's dojo is a dojo for children. It's not offensive if a dude that spent his life in a culture that is centered on martial arts teaches Colleen something cool. From the Colleen Wing featurette I saw on Facebook, it seems like she is a total f*ing badass, and I sincerely doubt it's anything like "lol Asian Woman, let me show you how to REALLY martial arts!" https://www.facebook.com/Marvel/videos/10154988424612488/ Like seriously, watch that and tell me it's going to be as simple as Danny showing up and going "So I'm going to teach you some moves, since you're not as good as me."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
profDEADPOOL 03/09/17 5:38:25 PM #137:	See just because that indicates it won't be the case.... doesn't mean I trust the writers to not be idiots and have it be the case. --- profDEADPOOL "Don't trust a perfect person and don't trust a song that's flawless" <cite>profDEADPOOL posted [p:874743582] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote>See just because that indicates it won't be the case.... doesn't mean I trust the writers to not be idiots and have it be the case.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
My Immortal 03/09/17 6:03:28 PM #138:	I feel like the scene is going to be him explaining to her how the Iron Fist works and the reviewer didn't understand --- #VnaaVimmDrnuddma <cite>My Immortal posted [p:874745091] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote>I feel like the scene is going to be him explaining to her how the Iron Fist works and the reviewer didn't understand</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unknown_voter 03/09/17 8:37:25 PM #139:	greengravy294 posted... Unknown_voter posted... Also scarlet is a whiny nerd while this may be true some dude on a throwaway account arguing comic books is even worse let that sink in buddy this topic isn't even about comic books <cite>Unknown_voter posted [p:874754804] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote><cite>greengravy294 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Unknown_voter posted...</cite> <quote>Also scarlet is a whiny nerd</quote> while this may be true some dude on a throwaway account arguing comic books is even worse let that sink in buddy</quote> this topic isn't even about comic books</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SJW_Cultist 03/09/17 8:54:04 PM #140:	DC is better than Marvel so this is a good thing. The women get a much better representation in DC movies. --- Equality, at any cost. http://www.msnbc.com/ <cite>SJW_Cultist posted [p:874755684] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote>DC is better than Marvel so this is a good thing. The women get a much better representation in DC movies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GANON1025 03/09/17 9:11:13 PM #141:	Sounds like even with potential race problems, the show is just bad I can see a bigger problem being that the fights are (apparently) not very good and boring. You can sort get away with half-assing that with someone like Luke Cage, because he doesn't really fight that much. He just crushes dudes effortlessly most of the time. Iron Fist is all about the martial arts, so if the fights aren't good that's a problem. --- http://i.imgur.com/gSaEoxZ.png <cite>GANON1025 posted [p:874756572] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote> Sounds like even with potential race problems, the show is just bad I can see a bigger problem being that the fights are (apparently) not very good and boring. You can sort get away with half-assing that with someone like Luke Cage, because he doesn't really fight that much. He just crushes dudes effortlessly most of the time. Iron Fist is all about the martial arts, so if the fights aren't good that's a problem.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Murphiroth 03/09/17 9:16:52 PM #142:	I had high hopes for this too. Love Iron Fist. I have an outside hope that it's just the first six episodes that aren't great and it takes off later, basically the opposite of all the other MCU Netflix shows. Probably not though! --- http://i.imgur.com/aelKAwf.jpg FC - 2852 - 9769 - 0007 My shinies - http://imgur.com/a/uPVUX <cite>Murphiroth posted [p:874756842] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote>I had high hopes for this too. Love Iron Fist. I have an outside hope that it's just the first six episodes that aren't great and it takes off later, basically the opposite of all the other MCU Netflix shows. Probably not though!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PumpkinCoach 03/09/17 9:38:44 PM #143:	an asian-american iron fist would have been so much better than the umpteenth orientalist white saviour story. or a fat cobra series. that would have been better too. --- this is a world... where birds eat horses <cite>PumpkinCoach posted [p:874757969] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote>an asian-american iron fist would have been so much better than the umpteenth orientalist white saviour story. or a fat cobra series. that would have been better too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PerfectChaosZ 03/10/17 7:52:53 AM #144:	I'd want them to make Iron Fist asian just because, come on, we already have a white dude who is a karate ninja on the team. lol <cite>PerfectChaosZ posted [p:874778582] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote>I'd want them to make Iron Fist asian just because, come on, we already have a white dude who is a karate ninja on the team. lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unknown_voter 03/10/17 8:11:19 AM #145:	I love the idea that a comic created by a white dude about a mystical Asian martial artist is less racist and derivative somehow. <cite>Unknown_voter posted [p:874779491] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote>I love the idea that a comic created by a white dude about a mystical Asian martial artist is less racist and derivative somehow.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 03/10/17 8:41:43 AM #146:	PerfectChaosZ posted... I'd want them to make Iron Fist asian just because, come on, we already have a white dude who is a karate ninja on the team. lol In terms of the Netflix team especially yeah. In a lot of ways they took Dannys best stuff and handed it off to daredevil in the first place. The rougher setting versus his lighter goofy character is a tough sell too. Itd be like buffy is Xander were the lead --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:874781200] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote><cite>PerfectChaosZ posted...</cite> <quote>I'd want them to make Iron Fist asian just because, come on, we already have a white dude who is a karate ninja on the team. lol</quote> In terms of the Netflix team especially yeah. In a lot of ways they took Dannys best stuff and handed it off to daredevil in the first place. The rougher setting versus his lighter goofy character is a tough sell too. Itd be like buffy is Xander were the lead</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SeabassDebeste 03/10/17 2:59:02 PM #147:	Agree wholly with what @Eddv is saying here. --- yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness <cite>SeabassDebeste posted [p:874806027] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote>Agree wholly with what @Eddv is saying here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
profDEADPOOL 03/10/17 3:35:06 PM #148:	Eddv posted... PerfectChaosZ posted... I'd want them to make Iron Fist asian just because, come on, we already have a white dude who is a karate ninja on the team. lol In terms of the Netflix team especially yeah. In a lot of ways they took Dannys best stuff and handed it off to daredevil in the first place. The rougher setting versus his lighter goofy character is a tough sell too. Itd be like buffy is Xander were the lead Yeah from what I have heard I do wish they hadn't gone the Iron Fist route and had done like Shang-Chi or something instead --- profDEADPOOL "I fell in love with the girl at the rock show" <cite>profDEADPOOL posted [p:874808129] in Marvel's I... [t:75088073]...</cite> <quote><cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote><cite>PerfectChaosZ posted...</cite> <quote>I'd want them to make Iron Fist asian just because, come on, we already have a white dude who is a karate ninja on the team. lol</quote> In terms of the Netflix team especially yeah. In a lot of ways they took Dannys best stuff and handed it off to daredevil in the first place. The rougher setting versus his lighter goofy character is a tough sell too. Itd be like buffy is Xander were the lead</quote> Yeah from what I have heard I do wish they hadn't gone the Iron Fist route and had done like Shang-Chi or something instead</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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