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xp1337 02/25/17 9:11:58 AM #101:	yessssssssssssssss I didn't say anything because I didn't want to seem like an impatient jerk but my hype for you reaching "Ionasal"/Video 135 was through the roof. That reveal! Nay's situation should be further clarified later. Without watching to double-check, I think it should definitely be pretty cleared up in video 163 (distance in terms of videos because of the extra scenario stuff coming up, it's actually a fairly early Chapter 9 video) and 110% clear in some of the very much later videos. If you absolutely want to know now though: The transfer happened in the memory where Nay and Young Ion are in that white room. Nay's soul was moved from her original body to a tron, and the Ion we know was pulled from her world and into Nay's original body. Later, Fractel placed her in the body she currently has as Nay. The original Tenmon plan was to just dispose of Nay's soul, Fractel went rogue here. Nay met Zill in her Sharl Body shortly after all this, Young Ion was just used in those scenes as a stand-in. There's more detail I can provide here but I have a feeling you aren't reading this now so by the time you do you might have the answers you need so uh... when/if you read this and you still want more detail/clarification, let me know. Robazoid posted... Last question I have: Nay and Ion were the ones who went back in time, but did they replace their past selves too? Or is there still a scared Ion somewhere and another Nay being held by Zill's goons? This was actually the thing explained in the youtube comments of Video 139 I mentioned. Check those out for black_raen's better description of what exactly happened, but here's my condensed version. No, there's no doubles of Ion and Nay. Part of the revert that Nay performs included the alteration that Ion and Nay were basically teleported to the Center of Power so they could stop Zill and Nero. Basically the song Nay sung went: Step 1: Roll everything back to the point Ion specified. Step 2: Teleport Ion and Nay to the Center of Power. Additionally, only Ion and Nay retain memories of the bad future. Nay because she was the singer and Ion because she has Oversight. Ah well, maybe it doesn't matter, but I am worried about Nay apparently needing regular injections to not die. Not sure how she's going to get those after going back in time! Oh, no. Nay is fine. That part was something Zill did to her after she was captured. Presumably after the events of the original Chapter 7 and she returned from Genomirai after Nero was returned. So the revert would have "fixed" that by making it never happen. It's a bit weird to follow because it's easy to think of it as Nay physically time travelling back from Chapter 8, but again because of dimension mechanics used in Ciel nosurge that isn't quite what happened. If you mean because she's a Sharl and the problems that come with that (which was a separate issue) Zill fixed that way back when she and Nay made their deal when she gave her SHS Heteromycin. Even if she wasn't, it would "just" mean she's like Tele-kun and would need to be chained to someone for energy. Robazoid posted... Thank you again for typing it up... and for introducing me to Ciel nosurge in the first place! This has been quite a ride already and it isn't even over yet. I'm just really happy you're enjoying it. I was afraid you wouldn't and I'd have wasted all your time. >_> Robazoid posted... [People who aren't Ion] > Nay you are still tracking this character ranking Nay going to continue her ascension to the heavens of this character ranking, tbqh. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:873818197] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>yessssssssssssssss I didn't say anything because I didn't want to seem like an impatient jerk but my hype for you reaching "Ionasal"/Video 135 was through the roof. That reveal! Nay's situation should be further clarified later. Without watching to double-check, I think it should definitely be pretty cleared up in video 163 (distance in terms of videos because of the extra scenario stuff coming up, it's actually a fairly early Chapter 9 video) and 110% clear in some of the very much later videos. If you absolutely want to know now though: The transfer happened in the memory where Nay and Young Ion are in that white room. Nay's soul was moved from her original body to a tron, and the Ion we know was pulled from her world and into Nay's original body. Later, Fractel placed her in the body she currently has as Nay. The original Tenmon plan was to just dispose of Nay's soul, Fractel went rogue here. Nay met Zill in her Sharl Body shortly after all this, Young Ion was just used in those scenes as a stand-in. There's more detail I can provide here but I have a feeling you aren't reading this now so by the time you do you might have the answers you need so uh... when/if you read this and you still want more detail/clarification, let me know. <cite>Robazoid posted...</cite> <quote>Last question I have: Nay and Ion were the ones who went back in time, but did they replace their past selves too? Or is there still a scared Ion somewhere and another Nay being held by Zill's goons?</quote> This was actually the thing explained in the youtube comments of Video 139 I mentioned. Check those out for black_raen's better description of what exactly happened, but here's my condensed version. No, there's no doubles of Ion and Nay. Part of the revert that Nay performs included the alteration that Ion and Nay were basically teleported to the Center of Power so they could stop Zill and Nero. Basically the song Nay sung went: Step 1: Roll everything back to the point Ion specified. Step 2: Teleport Ion and Nay to the Center of Power. Additionally, only Ion and Nay retain memories of the bad future. Nay because she was the singer and Ion because she has Oversight. <quote>Ah well, maybe it doesn't matter, but I am worried about Nay apparently needing regular injections to not die. Not sure how she's going to get those after going back in time!</quote> Oh, no. Nay is fine. That part was something Zill did to her after she was captured. Presumably after the events of the original Chapter 7 and she returned from Genomirai after Nero was returned. So the revert would have "fixed" that by making it never happen. It's a bit weird to follow because it's easy to think of it as Nay physically time travelling back from Chapter 8, but again because of dimension mechanics used in Ciel nosurge that isn't quite what happened. If you mean because she's a Sharl and the problems that come with that (which was a separate issue) Zill fixed that way back when she and Nay made their deal when she gave her SHS Heteromycin. Even if she wasn't, it would "just" mean she's like Tele-kun and would need to be chained to someone for energy. <cite>Robazoid posted...</cite> <quote>Thank you again for typing it up... and for introducing me to Ciel nosurge in the first place! This has been quite a ride already and it isn't even over yet.</quote> I'm just really happy you're enjoying it. I was afraid you wouldn't and I'd have wasted all your time. >_> <cite>Robazoid posted...</cite> <quote>[People who aren't Ion] > Nay</quote> you are still tracking this character ranking Nay going to continue her ascension to the heavens of this character ranking, tbqh.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dowolf 02/25/17 1:19:23 PM #102:	xp1337 posted... yessssssssssssssss --- Nonsense. "Testing" is for when you're still guessing--and now, I have no need to guess. -- Agatha, Girl Genius <cite>dowolf posted [p:873828242] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote><cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote>yessssssssssssssss</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robazoid 02/25/17 3:56:22 PM #103:	xp1337 posted... This was actually the thing explained in the youtube comments of Video 139 I mentioned. Oh whoops, I confused two things you said and checked the comments for video 137, then was slightly confused when I didn't see much of anything. My mistake, I've since read the right video's comments. Thank you for the clarification as well. --- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D <cite>Robazoid posted [p:873836812] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote><cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote>This was actually the thing explained in the youtube comments of Video 139 I mentioned.</quote> Oh whoops, I confused two things you said and checked the comments for video 137, then was slightly confused when I didn't see much of anything. My mistake, I've since read the right video's comments. Thank you for the clarification as well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zyxyz0 02/25/17 7:58:15 PM #104:	Robazoid posted... I'm sure these small progress updates are lame to read and I apologize for that, but spreading it out like this was the only way I could fit these 59 hours into my schedule without cutting out anything else. I also have to post at least once a day so the topic doesn't purge now that I'm the only one watching (come back Zyxyz). Sorry about that—I've been too busy with Tales of Xillia 2 and schoolwork to watch much lately, and when I do I haven't had that much to say. I'll try to make a post the next time I have a chance to catch up on videos, though! --- Archive of my AA playthrough topic and some others' playthrough/ranking topics: http://zyxyzarchive.x10host.com/ <cite>Zyxyz0 posted [p:873851666] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote><cite>Robazoid posted...</cite> <quote> I'm sure these small progress updates are lame to read and I apologize for that, but spreading it out like this was the only way I could fit these 59 hours into my schedule without cutting out anything else. I also have to post at least once a day so the topic doesn't purge now that I'm the only one watching (come back Zyxyz). </quote> Sorry about that—I've been too busy with Tales of Xillia 2 and schoolwork to watch much lately, and when I do I haven't had that much to say. I'll try to make a post the next time I have a chance to catch up on videos, though!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robazoid 02/26/17 4:09:37 AM #105:	Don't worry about it, I'm just glad you haven't left us completely! As for me, video progress 148/252 Not too much progress today but after yesterday that might be expected. Those audio CD ones were harsh. Poor Ion. Nay had better realize just how bad this was and fully forgive her someday! The whole time I was wondering how that Ion could ever become the 'I want to save everyone' Ion she was at the start of the memories, but they built into it pretty well with that Sophia manipulation. Also, Renall is chillingly effective (just as I was wondering if Sophia would ever show up in the future >_>) but I kind of like that about her. She gets the job done. Plus, that video of her fanboying out over Ion's successes was funny. One other thing I want to mention is that it's really interesting how they've structured the story, particularly regarding Ion. Non-memory Ion only knows exactly as much as I do, and that made it easy to forget that memory Ion wasn't the same person. A lot of these big revelations were things she already knew about herself and the world, plus she had all of these horrific memories weighing her down. It's becoming difficult to wrap my head around her as a character now but at the same time I'm not seeing any discrepancies. She's just becoming really complex. I also kind of want to go back and rewatch the time she first met Nay just to see if there are any hints/subtleties in how Nay reacts --- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D <cite>Robazoid posted [p:873877982] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>Don't worry about it, I'm just glad you haven't left us completely! As for me, video progress 148/252 Not too much progress today but after yesterday that might be expected. Those audio CD ones were harsh. Poor Ion. Nay had better realize just how bad this was and fully forgive her someday! The whole time I was wondering how that Ion could ever become the 'I want to save everyone' Ion she was at the start of the memories, but they built into it pretty well with that Sophia manipulation. Also, Renall is chillingly effective (just as I was wondering if Sophia would ever show up in the future >_>) but I kind of like that about her. She gets the job done. Plus, that video of her fanboying out over Ion's successes was funny. One other thing I want to mention is that it's really interesting how they've structured the story, particularly regarding Ion. Non-memory Ion only knows exactly as much as I do, and that made it easy to forget that memory Ion wasn't the same person. A lot of these big revelations were things she already knew about herself and the world, plus she had all of these horrific memories weighing her down. It's becoming difficult to wrap my head around her as a character now but at the same time I'm not seeing any discrepancies. She's just becoming really complex. I also kind of want to go back and rewatch the time she first met Nay just to see if there are any hints/subtleties in how Nay reacts</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 02/27/17 6:02:29 AM #106:	Yeah, the audio CDs were hard to listen to. =( --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:873950330] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, the audio CDs were hard to listen to. =(</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robazoid 02/27/17 7:18:57 AM #107:	Video progress: 159/252 I'm done all those extra videos after Chapter 8. They weren't quite as good as the extra videos after the first third of the story, but they were still fun to watch. It makes me sad that I'm not sure if Ion will ever act like that again, the all-loving saint... but I'm hopeful. She's made it through way worse things than her awakening without losing her pure spirit, even if she was acting super confident and, for lack of a better word, scheming at the end of Chapter 8. Also, I've thought this for awhile but I finally feel confident enough to share it: Renall is totally Ion's older half-sister. It feels strange because Nay should probably know that, and Renall should probably know about Nay/react to that whole thing in some way, but all these cryptic mentions of her 'father', the way she wants to protect Ion, and the mere fact that they have a resemblance is enough for me to guess this! Tomorrow I'll start Chapter 9! --- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D <cite>Robazoid posted [p:873951940] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>Video progress: 159/252 I'm done all those extra videos after Chapter 8. They weren't quite as good as the extra videos after the first third of the story, but they were still fun to watch. It makes me sad that I'm not sure if Ion will ever act like that again, the all-loving saint... but I'm hopeful. She's made it through way worse things than her awakening without losing her pure spirit, even if she was acting super confident and, for lack of a better word, scheming at the end of Chapter 8. Also, I've thought this for awhile but I finally feel confident enough to share it: Renall is totally Ion's older half-sister. It feels strange because Nay should probably know that, and Renall should probably know about Nay/react to that whole thing in some way, but all these cryptic mentions of her 'father', the way she wants to protect Ion, and the mere fact that they have a resemblance is enough for me to guess this! Tomorrow I'll start Chapter 9!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 02/27/17 10:17:32 PM #108:	Interested in your opinions of Chapter 9. I think it's one where you'll like it a fair deal more than I did. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:874003418] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>Interested in your opinions of Chapter 9. I think it's one where you'll like it a fair deal more than I did.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robazoid 02/28/17 4:45:19 AM #109:	xp1337 posted... Interested in your opinions of Chapter 9. I think it's one where you'll like it a fair deal more than I did. It isn't bad so far! Video progress: 162/252 Well, memory loss is one way to revert to old Ion I guess. Once her powers fully awaken maybe she'll be in confident mode forever. Renall still scheming has made me reconsider if this is a favorable alternate timeline, too. Nothing bad has really happened yet but I'm worried for when things inevitably go wrong all at once... I'm not sure what to make of Cas/Tabou/Shirotaka's situation yet, but I just finished the video of them having fun with Nero and it was... well, fun, so I'm going with the flow so far. Nero has also already shot up in my character rankings, here's hoping she can keep it up! --- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D <cite>Robazoid posted [p:874024216] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote><cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote>Interested in your opinions of Chapter 9. I think it's one where you'll like it a fair deal more than I did.</quote> It isn't bad so far! Video progress: 162/252 Well, memory loss is one way to revert to old Ion I guess. Once her powers fully awaken maybe she'll be in confident mode forever. Renall still scheming has made me reconsider if this is a favorable alternate timeline, too. Nothing bad has really happened yet but I'm worried for when things inevitably go wrong all at once... I'm not sure what to make of Cas/Tabou/Shirotaka's situation yet, but I just finished the video of them having fun with Nero and it was... well, fun, so I'm going with the flow so far. Nero has also already shot up in my character rankings, here's hoping she can keep it up!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robazoid 03/01/17 4:18:44 AM #110:	Video progress: 165/252 I couldn't watch as much tonight, but I got a bit ahead over the weekend so that's fine. This is basically just a bump, but I liked the video with Nay/Clacket and that final part of the audio CD was interesting! --- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D <cite>Robazoid posted [p:874100479] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>Video progress: 165/252 I couldn't watch as much tonight, but I got a bit ahead over the weekend so that's fine. This is basically just a bump, but I liked the video with Nay/Clacket and that final part of the audio CD was interesting!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 03/01/17 10:07:50 PM #111:	The Nay/Clacket scene is so good. The audio CD is as well, but for different reasons. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:874158261] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>The Nay/Clacket scene is so good. The audio CD is as well, but for different reasons.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mobilezoid 03/02/17 1:57:13 AM #112:	Random thought I just had. Nei should've had a different voice in the final part of that audio CD! Also I only have an hour and a half left in chapter nine so I'm going to try and finish it tonight --- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D (On mobile) <cite>Mobilezoid posted [p:874171545] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>Random thought I just had. Nei should've had a different voice in the final part of that audio CD! Also I only have an hour and a half left in chapter nine so I'm going to try and finish it tonight</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robazoid 03/02/17 5:17:20 AM #113:	Video progress: 175/252 I'm done Chapter Nine! It was fun, but I think the most damning thing about it is that I don't feel the need to do a big post organizing my thoughts. Plus it felt... I dunno, weirdly incomplete. Chapter seven ended on a cliffhanger and it still felt like it had more closure than nine. Something happened between Ion and Renall like seven videos ago and I still don't know what it was! Ah well. On the plus side, Sarly/Cas/Nero were a great team. The ending song was a lot of fun, too! It made me think of the Simpsons episode where all the robots at Itchy and Scratchy Land go berserk >_> 8 >>> 5 > 1 > 6 > 7 > 4 > 3 > 9 > 2 Ion > Kanon > Sarly > Nay > Nero > Cas > Renall > Undu > Telefunken > Greicoff > Zill > Ruray > Clackett > Shirotaka > Tabou > Pram > Neptool --- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D <cite>Robazoid posted [p:874177955] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>Video progress: 175/252 I'm done Chapter Nine! It was fun, but I think the most damning thing about it is that I don't feel the need to do a big post organizing my thoughts. Plus it felt... I dunno, weirdly incomplete. Chapter seven ended on a cliffhanger and it still felt like it had more closure than nine. Something happened between Ion and Renall like seven videos ago and I still don't know what it was! Ah well. On the plus side, Sarly/Cas/Nero were a great team. The ending song was a lot of fun, too! It made me think of the Simpsons episode where all the robots at Itchy and Scratchy Land go berserk >_> 8 >>> 5 > 1 > 6 > 7 > 4 > 3 > 9 > 2 Ion > Kanon > Sarly > Nay > Nero > Cas > Renall > Undu > Telefunken > Greicoff > Zill > Ruray > Clackett > Shirotaka > Tabou > Pram > Neptool</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robazoid 03/02/17 5:22:46 AM #114:	Oh hey I went back to finally read comments on chapter nine and saw this dowolf posted... just watched video 165. Hooray for casual sexism! god dammit Japan Yeah that made me feel sad. Poor Nei --- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D <cite>Robazoid posted [p:874178092] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>Oh hey I went back to finally read comments on chapter nine and saw this <cite>dowolf posted...</cite> <quote>just watched video 165. Hooray for casual sexism! god dammit Japan</quote> Yeah that made me feel sad. Poor Nei</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mobilezoid 03/02/17 8:05:14 PM #115:	I looked ahead at video times. Chapters 10 and 11 are roughly four and three hours each... and then 12 is like twelve hours long. I'm excited to get there but that last chapter willl take awhile! Have you watched any additional videos, xp? I'm wondering if they're substantial enough that I should plan to watch them too --- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D (On mobile) <cite>Mobilezoid posted [p:874228356] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>I looked ahead at video times. Chapters 10 and 11 are roughly four and three hours each... and then 12 is like twelve hours long. I'm excited to get there but that last chapter willl take awhile! Have you watched any additional videos, xp? I'm wondering if they're substantial enough that I should plan to watch them too</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 03/02/17 9:44:25 PM #116:	Chapters 9 and 10, but especially 9 always felt like a breather after the Collapse chapters/calm before the storm that is the final two chapters. That 9 was a pretty Cas-centric chapter with Nero having a big role is what made me think you'd like it more than I did since I was just sad that Ion and Nay were in the background there. Chapter 12 could actually be a bit shorter than that if you want it to be. One video that's 38 minutes is just looking at all the old map screens at that point/semi-sound test of their map themes since you don't always get to see/hear them during the course of the videos. There's also a few videos here and there that aren't related to the story that you could cut if you absolutely wanted to and gain like an hour. (If you wanted to do that I could tell you which ones they are) I mean, Chapter 12 is still massive and the biggest chapter by far, but if you wanted to cut some corners there you could. Mobilezoid posted... Have you watched any additional videos, xp? I'm wondering if they're substantial enough that I should plan to watch them too You mean the ones in the special event playlist? I watched them all, yeah. And not really, they're just some bonus scenes you get to see with non-memory Ion, usually relating to the holidays. Ion reading Filament Star is by far the most significant one, but you said you watched that, right? That said, the others are short and there's only like 5 of them so it's not like it would take much time if you wanted to check them out. dat chapter 11 hype though --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:874234955] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>Chapters 9 and 10, but especially 9 always felt like a breather after the Collapse chapters/calm before the storm that is the final two chapters. That 9 was a pretty Cas-centric chapter with Nero having a big role is what made me think you'd like it more than I did since I was just sad that Ion and Nay were in the background there. Chapter 12 could actually be a bit shorter than that if you want it to be. One video that's 38 minutes is just looking at all the old map screens at that point/semi-sound test of their map themes since you don't always get to see/hear them during the course of the videos. There's also a few videos here and there that aren't related to the story that you could cut if you absolutely wanted to and gain like an hour. (If you wanted to do that I could tell you which ones they are) I mean, Chapter 12 is still massive and the biggest chapter by far, but if you wanted to cut some corners there you could. <cite>Mobilezoid posted...</cite> <quote>Have you watched any additional videos, xp? I'm wondering if they're substantial enough that I should plan to watch them too</quote> You mean the ones in the special event playlist? I watched them all, yeah. And not really, they're just some bonus scenes you get to see with non-memory Ion, usually relating to the holidays. Ion reading Filament Star is by far the most significant one, but you said you watched that, right? That said, the others are short and there's only like 5 of them so it's not like it would take much time if you wanted to check them out. dat chapter 11 hype though</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mobilezoid 03/02/17 9:51:28 PM #117:	I appreciated 9 focusing on Cas and she had some great moments but ultimately not much happened and what did happen didn't conclude. As for 12, I'll definitely watch it all! I'm even looking forward to that map theme video, some of those were great xp1337 posted... That said, the others are short and there's only like 5 of them so it's not like it would take much time if you wanted to check them out. Oh, I just assumed there were a lot for some reason. I'll watch those as well, then! --- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D (On mobile) <cite>Mobilezoid posted [p:874235442] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>I appreciated 9 focusing on Cas and she had some great moments but ultimately not much happened and what did happen didn't conclude. As for 12, I'll definitely watch it all! I'm even looking forward to that map theme video, some of those were great <cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote>That said, the others are short and there's only like 5 of them so it's not like it would take much time if you wanted to check them out.</quote> Oh, I just assumed there were a lot for some reason. I'll watch those as well, then!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robazoid 03/03/17 7:29:19 AM #118:	Video progress: 177/252 I'm ahead of schedule again so I only watched two videos. Still, Chapter 10 has started in an interesting way! I finally met Revelt (who looks nothing like I expected) and Ion/Kanon had their reunion. Ion is also way too calm for there to not be some sort of agreement between her and Renall, so I have hope things won't get too terrible too quickly. --- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D <cite>Robazoid posted [p:874261531] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>Video progress: 177/252 I'm ahead of schedule again so I only watched two videos. Still, Chapter 10 has started in an interesting way! I finally met Revelt (who looks nothing like I expected) and Ion/Kanon had their reunion. Ion is also way too calm for there to not be some sort of agreement between her and Renall, so I have hope things won't get too terrible too quickly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robazoid 03/04/17 4:25:57 AM #119:	Video progress: 180/252 It's starting to bug me just how much Nero's skill-level fluctuates. One minute she's altering the oxygen levels in people's brains to put everyone to sleep without expending much effort. Then the next minute, even with time to prepare a song, the best she can manage is knocking out a few guards to get Cas to safety. I like Cas a lot but she's probably the least competent of the three of them! Nero should've gotten herself away and gone back to save the others later --- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D <cite>Robazoid posted [p:874328800] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>Video progress: 180/252 It's starting to bug me just how much Nero's skill-level fluctuates. One minute she's altering the oxygen levels in people's brains to put everyone to sleep without expending much effort. Then the next minute, even with time to prepare a song, the best she can manage is knocking out a few guards to get Cas to safety. I like Cas a lot but she's probably the least competent of the three of them! Nero should've gotten herself away and gone back to save the others later</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 03/04/17 12:13:17 PM #120:	Yeah, Nero's power is a bit weird. I feel like she should have her "previous" songs still and some of them are so overpowered it'd always work. Unless it was specially designed for the people she used it on, but even still the concept is so solid she should spam it. >_> --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:874342649] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, Nero's power is a bit weird. I feel like she should have her "previous" songs still and some of them are so overpowered it'd always work. Unless it was specially designed for the people she used it on, but even still the concept is so solid she should spam it. >_></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robazoid 03/05/17 6:42:11 AM #121:	Video progress: 183/252 Renall is a pretty complex character! She definitely did evil things in the past, but she doesn't try to justify them and she's doing the right thing here... or, she tried to, at least. It didn't really work out so far. I totally called her being Ion's half-sister, too! Well, I suppose she's really Nay's half-sister. The two of them never reacting to each other probably means they don't know about each other, though. Revelt is a pretty decent final bad guy, too. I hope they don't try to redeem him like they did with Neptool and tried to do with Zill. This story needs an actual bad guy for the ending I'll try to finish the chapter tomorrow! --- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D <cite>Robazoid posted [p:874398842] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>Video progress: 183/252 Renall is a pretty complex character! She definitely did evil things in the past, but she doesn't try to justify them and she's doing the right thing here... or, she tried to, at least. It didn't really work out so far. I totally called her being Ion's half-sister, too! Well, I suppose she's really Nay's half-sister. The two of them never reacting to each other probably means they don't know about each other, though. Revelt is a pretty decent final bad guy, too. I hope they don't try to redeem him like they did with Neptool and tried to do with Zill. This story needs an actual bad guy for the ending I'll try to finish the chapter tomorrow!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 03/05/17 6:23:13 PM #122:	Nay and Renall being half-sisters and neither seeming to mention it/care was probably the thing that bugged me the most while watching the videos. I'm pretty sure they have to know, they're both high profile people and so is Revelt! I don't think either's parentage is a secret! Hell, I think even Ion should probably know! My personal rationalization is that Nay's birth was the result of a purely political relationship to provide the Tenmon with an Imperial Candidate and so Nay had no relationship/connection to Renall. Maybe it's not unusual for Imperial Candidates to be treated that way? i dunno. hype for finishing chapter 10 because omg chapter 11 hype --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:874430666] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>Nay and Renall being half-sisters and neither seeming to mention it/care was probably the thing that bugged me the most while watching the videos. I'm pretty sure they have to know, they're both high profile people and so is Revelt! I don't think either's parentage is a secret! Hell, I think even Ion should probably know! My personal rationalization is that Nay's birth was the result of a purely political relationship to provide the Tenmon with an Imperial Candidate and so Nay had no relationship/connection to Renall. Maybe it's not unusual for Imperial Candidates to be treated that way? i dunno. hype for finishing chapter 10 because omg chapter 11 hype</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robazoid 03/05/17 6:44:31 PM #123:	My assumption right now is that Nay probably knows she has a sister but has long since lost all faith in her family, so she doesn't react. Renall probably knew she had a sister but wasn't able to interact with her, and she doesn't know that sister became Nay. Her sisterly feelings transferred to Ion once they were able to interact, and that's why she wants to protect her so badly. --- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D <cite>Robazoid posted [p:874431930] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>My assumption right now is that Nay probably knows she has a sister but has long since lost all faith in her family, so she doesn't react. Renall probably knew she had a sister but wasn't able to interact with her, and she doesn't know that sister became Nay. Her sisterly feelings transferred to Ion once they were able to interact, and that's why she wants to protect her so badly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 03/05/17 6:52:47 PM #124:	Yeah, that would fit. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:874432481] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, that would fit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robazoid 03/05/17 8:53:10 PM #125:	Video progress: 190/252 I'm done Chapter Ten! People being powered by the feelings of others is usually super lame in fiction (you can do it! Come on everyone, let's believe in them SUPER HARD), but I really liked how it was handled here. Making feelings scientifically quantifiable and tackling the issue of transferring them from one person to another helped, I guess! That ending with Ion and Kanon also solidified the two as my favorite characters, and Renall jumped up a lot too (sorry Nay). Still, I wonder what happened to Revelt. That whole coup plotline felt like it got dropped. Clacket wanted to release a video incriminating Revelt and exonerating Renall, and everything kind of worked out like he did even though they didn't show him actually doing it. Ah well. That moment where the terminal interacted with memory Ion was hype! I wonder what future implications that'll have. Also Tele-kun, where are you going? We almost ended a chapter on a happy note! Brief tangent: I don't know much about Ar nosurge (basically I've only seen the game's icon on my Vita. It's some white-haired girl and I'm super curious about who that might be. A grown up Cas? Kanon in a different art style? Nero?!?) but I understand that it's an RPG. Assuming that means Ion goes into battle, I hope fusing with Tele-kun and entering dragon form is her super attack! 8 >>> 5 > 1 > 10 > 6 > 7 > 4 > 3 > 9 > 2 Ion > Kanon > Sarly > Renall > Nay > Nero > Cas > Telefunken > Undu > Greicoff > Ruray > Zill > Clackett > Revelt > Shirotaka > Tabou > Pram > Neptool --- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D <cite>Robazoid posted [p:874440408] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>Video progress: 190/252 I'm done Chapter Ten! People being powered by the feelings of others is usually super lame in fiction (you can do it! Come on everyone, let's believe in them SUPER HARD), but I really liked how it was handled here. Making feelings scientifically quantifiable and tackling the issue of transferring them from one person to another helped, I guess! That ending with Ion and Kanon also solidified the two as my favorite characters, and Renall jumped up a lot too (sorry Nay). Still, I wonder what happened to Revelt. That whole coup plotline felt like it got dropped. Clacket wanted to release a video incriminating Revelt and exonerating Renall, and everything kind of worked out like he did even though they didn't show him actually doing it. Ah well. That moment where the terminal interacted with memory Ion was hype! I wonder what future implications that'll have. Also Tele-kun, where are you going? We almost ended a chapter on a happy note! Brief tangent: I don't know much about Ar nosurge (basically I've only seen the game's icon on my Vita. It's some white-haired girl and I'm super curious about who that might be. A grown up Cas? Kanon in a different art style? Nero?!?) but I understand that it's an RPG. Assuming that means Ion goes into battle, I hope fusing with Tele-kun and entering dragon form is her super attack! 8 >>> 5 > 1 > 10 > 6 > 7 > 4 > 3 > 9 > 2 Ion > Kanon > Sarly > Renall > Nay > Nero > Cas > Telefunken > Undu > Greicoff > Ruray > Zill > Clackett > Revelt > Shirotaka > Tabou > Pram > Neptool</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 03/06/17 5:46:39 PM #126:	Aww yeah. Rest of the watchthrough is so hype. Chapter 11 is probably the best overall chapter. Chapter 12 has some amazing moments but it's much harder to stay as amazing as Chapter 11 is for 10 hours or whatever. Still Chapters 11 and 12 hype. bold prediction: you finish chapter 11 in two sessions or less Revelt is the one character I left off my final character ranking because you hadn't really been introduced to him at the time. He's last though. Chapter 11 also has best song. ya go my LastPandemic. best map theme. Also probably my favorite map design (Chapter 12 and Chapter 6/Four Seasons are up there too though) --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:874502580] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>Aww yeah. Rest of the watchthrough is so hype. Chapter 11 is probably the best overall chapter. Chapter 12 has some amazing moments but it's much harder to stay as amazing as Chapter 11 is for 10 hours or whatever. Still Chapters 11 and 12 hype. bold prediction: you finish chapter 11 in two sessions or less Revelt is the one character I left off my final character ranking because you hadn't really been introduced to him at the time. He's last though. Chapter 11 also has best song. ya go my LastPandemic. best map theme. Also probably my favorite map design (Chapter 12 and Chapter 6/Four Seasons are up there too though)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robazoid 03/07/17 8:19:34 AM #127:	Video progress: 194/252 I didn't watch much but I think I stopped at a good point because bad stuff is clearly about to happen. I had other things to do today so I couldn't have binged the rest of the chapter even if I wanted to, so I didn't want to risk hitting an OMG moment. I will have time tomorrow, though, so if there is such a moment the rest of the chapter may be over soon! I liked the scene of Ion and Kanon realizing the world's problems aren't simple, though. Those ideals they have are nice but actually putting them into practice will be another thing entirely, and I'm glad the story isn't skipping that. --- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D <cite>Robazoid posted [p:874546246] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>Video progress: 194/252 I didn't watch much but I think I stopped at a good point because bad stuff is clearly about to happen. I had other things to do today so I couldn't have binged the rest of the chapter even if I wanted to, so I didn't want to risk hitting an OMG moment. I will have time tomorrow, though, so if there is such a moment the rest of the chapter may be over soon! I liked the scene of Ion and Kanon realizing the world's problems aren't simple, though. Those ideals they have are nice but actually putting them into practice will be another thing entirely, and I'm glad the story isn't skipping that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robazoid 03/08/17 5:56:29 AM #128:	Video progress: 206/252 I'm done Chapter Eleven! Short reaction: it was good but not my favorite A lot of serious stuff happened, but... earlier, when I said time travel could easily destroy a story, this was the sort of thing I was worried about. Time travel exists, and since it exists I need them to explain why it isn't an option to reverse all of this. Non-memory Ion said 'I guess I could go back in time but I don't really know how to do it', but that isn't enough to brush off the idea. I really hope they get into this in Chapter Twelve a bit because right now it's just bugging me. I'm not asking a lot, some technobabble BS reason why time travel isn't an option would be fine. I just need something. That aside, there were a lot of hype moments! Kanon went out in a heartfelt sacrifice (hopefully Ion can bring her back like they hinted!), Clacket helped too, and Ion becoming Empress was great. I'm not sure how I feel about them working so hard to stop Revelt and then ultimately deciding to use his plan, but I'll wait for Chapter Twelve before making judgments about that. I appreciated that he was scum right to the end, though. It was Zill who I came to hate in this chapter. She didn't want to help, and helping would literally destroy the world she'd be staying on... and she still helped. Just let him kill you and then his plan is screwed, take a bullet for the greater good like Kanon, Cosal, and Clacket did. Ah well. Also, this whole time, Nelico has been telling the terminal to get Ion's memories back. Why did that suddenly become a bad thing? Basically I feel like my opinion on Chapter Eleven will raise a lot of Chapter Twelve satisfactorily answers all of this. It's kind of like Chapter Seven in that regard, I guess. 8 >>> 5 > 1 > 10 > 6 > 11 > 7 > 4 > 3 > 9 > 2 Ion > Kanon > Renall > Nero > Sarly > Nay > Cas > Undu > Greicoff > Clackett > Telefunken > Ruray > Revelt > Shirotaka > Tabou > Pram > Neptool >>>>> Zill Also, xp, now that I assume I've seen the last of Cosal, I don't see why you ranked him and not Greicoff! If anything, it was Cosal who should've been left off (I left him off because he's kind of an aspect of Kanon as far as I'm concerned) --- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D <cite>Robazoid posted [p:874618122] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>Video progress: 206/252 I'm done Chapter Eleven! Short reaction: it was good but not my favorite A lot of serious stuff happened, but... earlier, when I said time travel could easily destroy a story, this was the sort of thing I was worried about. Time travel exists, and since it exists I need them to explain why it isn't an option to reverse all of this. Non-memory Ion said 'I guess I could go back in time but I don't really know how to do it', but that isn't enough to brush off the idea. I really hope they get into this in Chapter Twelve a bit because right now it's just bugging me. I'm not asking a lot, some technobabble BS reason why time travel isn't an option would be fine. I just need something. That aside, there were a lot of hype moments! Kanon went out in a heartfelt sacrifice (hopefully Ion can bring her back like they hinted!), Clacket helped too, and Ion becoming Empress was great. I'm not sure how I feel about them working so hard to stop Revelt and then ultimately deciding to use his plan, but I'll wait for Chapter Twelve before making judgments about that. I appreciated that he was scum right to the end, though. It was Zill who I came to hate in this chapter. She didn't want to help, and helping would literally destroy the world she'd be staying on... and she still helped. Just let him kill you and then his plan is screwed, take a bullet for the greater good like Kanon, Cosal, and Clacket did. Ah well. Also, this whole time, Nelico has been telling the terminal to get Ion's memories back. Why did that suddenly become a bad thing? Basically I feel like my opinion on Chapter Eleven will raise a lot of Chapter Twelve satisfactorily answers all of this. It's kind of like Chapter Seven in that regard, I guess. 8 >>> 5 > 1 > 10 > 6 > 11 > 7 > 4 > 3 > 9 > 2 Ion > Kanon > Renall > Nero > Sarly > Nay > Cas > Undu > Greicoff > Clackett > Telefunken > Ruray > Revelt > Shirotaka > Tabou > Pram > Neptool >>>>> Zill Also, xp, now that I assume I've seen the last of Cosal, I don't see why you ranked him and not Greicoff! If anything, it was Cosal who should've been left off (I left him off because he's kind of an aspect of Kanon as far as I'm concerned)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 03/08/17 9:57:05 AM #129:	=( Answers to your questions, if you want them. You can decide when/if you read them: massive spoiler blocks incoming two posts even Why they don't time travel (I... don't think they touch on this directly really but you can definitely reason it from the existing technobabble): The energy cost to do such a thing is extremely high. They managed it in Chapter 8 because Zill had brainwashed the entire population with Sharl which unified their feelings and hijacked her song using that. Without that, it's highly unlikely you could get the entire world's population to truly and sincerely wish for time travel back. Plus, in Chapter 8 Clacket outright states that it's cool if they sacrifice Ra Ciela as fuel for the time travel on top of that. If it goes wrong you probably end up destroying the planet and/or killing the singer with no results. Keep in mind Revelt just wanted a third dimension shift (physical teleportation) for a few hundred people and was basically going to destroy Ra Ciela for that. Time travel is 4th dimension so the cost goes up. They just don't feasibly have the power to do this unless they want to gamble with the lives of everyone on Ra Ciela and Ra Ciela itself. And without the "well Nero broke reality, let's go for it/Oh Nero broke things, let's fix them" rationalization. On top of all that, as Nero showed, messing around with axis shifts is just inherently risky anyway and the higher up you go the worse it gets. Ion was simply correcting Nero's error before. A hypothetical shift now would once again risk breaking reality even if perhaps not as catastrophically as Nero did (or maybe worse! You won't know until you try!) --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:874624773] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>=( Answers to your questions, if you want them. You can decide when/if you read them: massive spoiler blocks incoming two posts even Why they don't time travel (I... don't think they touch on this directly really but you can definitely reason it from the existing technobabble): The energy cost to do such a thing is extremely high. They managed it in Chapter 8 because Zill had brainwashed the entire population with Sharl which unified their feelings and hijacked her song using that. Without that, it's highly unlikely you could get the entire world's population to truly and sincerely wish for time travel back. Plus, in Chapter 8 Clacket outright states that it's cool if they sacrifice Ra Ciela as fuel for the time travel on top of that. If it goes wrong you probably end up destroying the planet and/or killing the singer with no results. Keep in mind Revelt just wanted a third dimension shift (physical teleportation) for a few hundred people and was basically going to destroy Ra Ciela for that. Time travel is 4th dimension so the cost goes up. They just don't feasibly have the power to do this unless they want to gamble with the lives of everyone on Ra Ciela and Ra Ciela itself. And without the "well Nero broke reality, let's go for it/Oh Nero broke things, let's fix them" rationalization. On top of all that, as Nero showed, messing around with axis shifts is just inherently risky anyway and the higher up you go the worse it gets. Ion was simply correcting Nero's error before. A hypothetical shift now would once again risk breaking reality even if perhaps not as catastrophically as Nero did (or maybe worse! You won't know until you try!)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 03/08/17 10:00:38 AM #130:	Why they're using Revelt's plan (They do touch on this, if they haven't already. Pretty sure the Empress explains this to Ion at the end of the chapter): Plan rundown: Originally there was a joint Tenmon-Chimon (Technically it was a Chimon plan and they created Tenmon to research it IIRC) plan to build a migration spaceship (Soriel) to leave for a new planet. However the project stalled when they couldn't come up with a way to locate a livable planet to head to. This is where Tenmon and Chimon really split from each other and became two different competing factions. Chimon changed plans to "Save Bezel" which involved improving humanity's souls to the point where they could unify with the genom and sing a song to just straight-up heal the sun. In theory this was what Zill was doing in Chapter 8 except she just brainwashed humanity to do it and Nero broke everything anyway so they were screwed regardless. Tenmon kept working along the lines of leaving the planet but started approaching it from a different tact. They decided they could solve their planet finding problem by using Oversight. (Nero being out because she hates them.) So they work on getting someone else who can use Oversight from another universe, have them use Oversight to locate the planet they need, and then teleport there with a song. Except, again, teleportation/axis shifts have a heavy cost here, and in this case, that cost is needing the Empress' Vocal Cords... and using Ra Ciela itself as the energy for the song. The Chimon are obviously less than pleased that the Tenmon plan is to destroy the planet, and everyone living on it they don't include in on the plan as fuel. And of course the Tenmon don't actually intend on taking everyone. Chapter 11 Revelt goes off the rails and modifies that Tenmon plan even further. Because Nero has actually found the planet already he takes the location from her since the Oversight-required part of the problem was already completed by her. He's missing the Imperial Vocal Cords but adjusts by cutting back on the people he's taking even more, as well as hijacking Clacket's Center of Power and even then the mere transport of the few hundred he had there was going to fatally destroy the planet as fuel. Current Ion is basically using the original Tenmon plan but without the "we're intentionally leaving people behind" part because Revelt basically forced their hand. The Center of Power is out of control since he turned it to full power and is currently in the process of eating away at Ra Ciela uncontrollably. It's not much time before it just destroys Ra Ciela outright. The Tenmon's Grand Phoenix Plan is the only thing they can execute in time and since Ra Ciela is literally going to die anyway if they do nothing, the "plan will destroy the planet part" is kind of moot now. It's just a matter of doing it on their own terms to execute the plan or wait and everyone dies. The Empress does seem to imply that she's overlooked Ion not being the real Ion because the situation had grown that desperate and Ra Ciela itself gave her the okay to destroy it previously so even before Revelt pushed things over the brink it does seem things were going this direction. lmao this actually goes three posts although spoiler block explanations are done thankfully --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:874624929] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>Why they're using Revelt's plan (They do touch on this, if they haven't already. Pretty sure the Empress explains this to Ion at the end of the chapter): Plan rundown: Originally there was a joint Tenmon-Chimon (Technically it was a Chimon plan and they created Tenmon to research it IIRC) plan to build a migration spaceship (Soriel) to leave for a new planet. However the project stalled when they couldn't come up with a way to locate a livable planet to head to. This is where Tenmon and Chimon really split from each other and became two different competing factions. Chimon changed plans to "Save Bezel" which involved improving humanity's souls to the point where they could unify with the genom and sing a song to just straight-up heal the sun. In theory this was what Zill was doing in Chapter 8 except she just brainwashed humanity to do it and Nero broke everything anyway so they were screwed regardless. Tenmon kept working along the lines of leaving the planet but started approaching it from a different tact. They decided they could solve their planet finding problem by using Oversight. (Nero being out because she hates them.) So they work on getting someone else who can use Oversight from another universe, have them use Oversight to locate the planet they need, and then teleport there with a song. Except, again, teleportation/axis shifts have a heavy cost here, and in this case, that cost is needing the Empress' Vocal Cords... and using Ra Ciela itself as the energy for the song. The Chimon are obviously less than pleased that the Tenmon plan is to destroy the planet, and everyone living on it they don't include in on the plan as fuel. And of course the Tenmon don't actually intend on taking everyone. Chapter 11 Revelt goes off the rails and modifies that Tenmon plan even further. Because Nero has actually found the planet already he takes the location from her since the Oversight-required part of the problem was already completed by her. He's missing the Imperial Vocal Cords but adjusts by cutting back on the people he's taking even more, as well as hijacking Clacket's Center of Power and even then the mere transport of the few hundred he had there was going to fatally destroy the planet as fuel. Current Ion is basically using the original Tenmon plan but without the "we're intentionally leaving people behind" part because Revelt basically forced their hand. The Center of Power is out of control since he turned it to full power and is currently in the process of eating away at Ra Ciela uncontrollably. It's not much time before it just destroys Ra Ciela outright. The Tenmon's Grand Phoenix Plan is the only thing they can execute in time and since Ra Ciela is literally going to die anyway if they do nothing, the "plan will destroy the planet part" is kind of moot now. It's just a matter of doing it on their own terms to execute the plan or wait and everyone dies. The Empress does seem to imply that she's overlooked Ion not being the real Ion because the situation had grown that desperate and Ra Ciela itself gave her the okay to destroy it previously so even before Revelt pushed things over the brink it does seem things were going this direction. lmao this actually goes three posts although spoiler block explanations are done thankfully</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 03/08/17 10:00:59 AM #131:	Robazoid posted... Also, this whole time, Nelico has been telling the terminal to get Ion's memories back. Why did that suddenly become a bad thing? why indeed Robazoid posted... Also, xp, now that I assume I've seen the last of Cosal, I don't see why you ranked him and not Greicoff! If anything, it was Cosal who should've been left off (I left him off because he's kind of an aspect of Kanon as far as I'm concerned) because he goes out like a baller (He's also obviously his own person, much of his dialogue with Kanon shows this.) He is probably the most iffy inclusion on my list though, yeah. Robazoid posted... It was Zill who I came to hate in this chapter. She didn't want to help, and helping would literally destroy the world she'd be staying on... and she still helped. every problem in ciel nosurge can be explained by "dammit revelt" or "dammit zill" >_> --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:874624946] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote><cite>Robazoid posted...</cite> <quote>Also, this whole time, Nelico has been telling the terminal to get Ion's memories back. Why did that suddenly become a bad thing?</quote> why indeed <cite>Robazoid posted...</cite> <quote>Also, xp, now that I assume I've seen the last of Cosal, I don't see why you ranked him and not Greicoff! If anything, it was Cosal who should've been left off (I left him off because he's kind of an aspect of Kanon as far as I'm concerned)</quote> because he goes out like a baller (He's also obviously his own person, much of his dialogue with Kanon shows this.) He is probably the most iffy inclusion on my list though, yeah. <cite>Robazoid posted...</cite> <quote>It was Zill who I came to hate in this chapter. She didn't want to help, and helping would literally destroy the world she'd be staying on... and she still helped.</quote> every problem in ciel nosurge can be explained by "dammit revelt" or "dammit zill" >_></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robazoid 03/08/17 10:18:23 AM #132:	I'll respond to that more tomorrow sometime because I'm up two hours later than I should be already as it is, but first: xp1337 posted... =( Aw, don't give me that! Eleven still beat out a lot of other chapters, and I've enjoyed them all so far. I mostly feel like I'm at a point now where I need the full picture and then I can start organizing everything in my head. At the moment I'm still hoping Chapter Twelve miraculously answers my every lame concern, but once it inevitably doesn't I'll start considering everything and forgiving things As always, too, thank you for the long posts. I'm just so tired right now but I will respond more later --- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D <cite>Robazoid posted [p:874625674] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>I'll respond to that more tomorrow sometime because I'm up two hours later than I should be already as it is, but first: <cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote>=(</quote> Aw, don't give me that! Eleven still beat out a lot of other chapters, and I've enjoyed them all so far. I mostly feel like I'm at a point now where I need the full picture and then I can start organizing everything in my head. At the moment I'm still hoping Chapter Twelve miraculously answers my every lame concern, but once it inevitably doesn't I'll start considering everything and forgiving things As always, too, thank you for the long posts. I'm just so tired right now but I will respond more later</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mobilezoid 03/08/17 10:18:33 PM #133:	xp1337 posted... A hypothetical shift now would once again risk breaking reality even if perhaps not as catastrophically as Nero did (or maybe worse! You won't know until you try!) I guess this is the big point regarding time travel, since I assume they could get the energy from the planet just like they plan to now. It'd still be nice if they discussed it as an option because I imagine Ion would be open to anything to potentially save Kanon but I'm less bothered by the time travel thing now that I've read your post! As for Revelt's plan, that makes sense. I already knew or had worked out some of that, but I hadn't considered the need for the Empress vocal cords to do it cleanly. So that's why they put Ion into the trials! My issue was that they worked so hard to stop Revelt and then adopted his plan immediately afterwards, but I guess there are a lot of differences. Ion still wants to save everyone and do it cleanly xp1337 posted... why indeed Well there's certainly some plot reason but I still feel like this came out of nowhere kind of. Nelico specifically said returning memories might finally change the world and she encouraged it. Then changes start and she's suddenly omg no I don't want it to change at all xp1337 posted... (He's also obviously his own person, much of his dialogue with Kanon shows this.) He is probably the most iffy inclusion on my list though, yeah. I guess yeah, I was unfair to Cosal. It just seems odd to include him and not Greicoff, who also went out like a baller! Anyway I'm excited to start Chapter Twelve. Thanks again for taking the time to talk to me about this in such detail Also I've realized my schedule will see me finish Ciel nosurge literally the same day Nier Automata releases on Steam, so I might actually be a bit slow on Ar nosurge if I end up juggling them --- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D (On mobile) <cite>Mobilezoid posted [p:874671927] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote><cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote>A hypothetical shift now would once again risk breaking reality even if perhaps not as catastrophically as Nero did (or maybe worse! You won't know until you try!)</quote> I guess this is the big point regarding time travel, since I assume they could get the energy from the planet just like they plan to now. It'd still be nice if they discussed it as an option because I imagine Ion would be open to anything to potentially save Kanon but I'm less bothered by the time travel thing now that I've read your post! As for Revelt's plan, that makes sense. I already knew or had worked out some of that, but I hadn't considered the need for the Empress vocal cords to do it cleanly. So that's why they put Ion into the trials! My issue was that they worked so hard to stop Revelt and then adopted his plan immediately afterwards, but I guess there are a lot of differences. Ion still wants to save everyone and do it cleanly <cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote>why indeed</quote> Well there's certainly some plot reason but I still feel like this came out of nowhere kind of. Nelico specifically said returning memories might finally change the world and she encouraged it. Then changes start and she's suddenly omg no I don't want it to change at all <cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote>(He's also obviously his own person, much of his dialogue with Kanon shows this.) He is probably the most iffy inclusion on my list though, yeah.</quote> I guess yeah, I was unfair to Cosal. It just seems odd to include him and not Greicoff, who also went out like a baller! Anyway I'm excited to start Chapter Twelve. Thanks again for taking the time to talk to me about this in such detail Also I've realized my schedule will see me finish Ciel nosurge literally the same day Nier Automata releases on Steam, so I might actually be a bit slow on Ar nosurge if I end up juggling them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 03/09/17 3:22:34 AM #134:	That's fine. I've said it like five times now, but I'm just thrilled you're playing (or watching in Ciel's case) them at all! I picked up PS4 Nier Automata but I might not get to it for a little because Zelda has currently consumed my life and then there'll be Persona and I tend to generally focus in on one game at a time so I'll probably play them in that order. Mobilezoid posted... Thanks again for taking the time to talk to me about this in such detail I'm just glad you followed it. I wrote that right after I had woken up and in retrospect wow my ability to write cohesively was still asleep. >_> --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:874688488] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>That's fine. I've said it like five times now, but I'm just thrilled you're playing (or watching in Ciel's case) them at all! I picked up PS4 Nier Automata but I might not get to it for a little because Zelda has currently consumed my life and then there'll be Persona and I tend to generally focus in on one game at a time so I'll probably play them in that order. <cite>Mobilezoid posted...</cite> <quote>Thanks again for taking the time to talk to me about this in such detail</quote> I'm just glad you followed it. I wrote that right after I had woken up and in retrospect wow my ability to write cohesively was still asleep. >_></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robazoid 03/09/17 4:33:32 AM #135:	Video progress: 208/252 Yeah, only two, but one of those videos was forty minutes long! Tele-kun totally would've gotten a title if he hadn't run off. He's probably kicking himself... wherever he is. When I heard there would be seven people honored I tried to figure out who they'd be. When I could only think of six, I was terrified one of them would be Zill, so thank goodness that didn't happen. Kanon is worth a million Zill's no matter what condition she's in! I'm actually liking Chapter Twelve a lot so far, I hope it keeps up. --- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D <cite>Robazoid posted [p:874690847] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>Video progress: 208/252 Yeah, only two, but one of those videos was forty minutes long! Tele-kun totally would've gotten a title if he hadn't run off. He's probably kicking himself... wherever he is. When I heard there would be seven people honored I tried to figure out who they'd be. When I could only think of six, I was terrified one of them would be Zill, so thank goodness that didn't happen. Kanon is worth a million Zill's no matter what condition she's in! I'm actually liking Chapter Twelve a lot so far, I hope it keeps up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mobilezoid 03/09/17 7:24:46 PM #136:	Chapter Twelve spoilers I just had a random thought that will almost certainly not come true but it made me happy to think about it. So Kanon has been reduced to a soul, and unlike Ion's immortal soul hers will eventually be purified and reincarnated (unless that soul-protecting bell she got from the Empress means anything but I might be giving the foreshadowing too much credit there). However, I guess her soul will still temporarily settle near things that mattered to it, and half the reason Ion is going on this farewell tour is to maybe find it. Only, what meant a lot to Kanon? She shunned material things (even refusing to buy a cute birdy!) and she never seemed to get especially attached to places, not even the big Chimon temple. Where would Kanon's soul go? Then it hit me: Ion. Kanon became super attached to Ion. Again, this almost certainly won't be true, but it made me happy to imagine Kanon's soul might be following Ion on this final tour of Rs Ciela --- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D (On mobile) <cite>Mobilezoid posted [p:874735403] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>Chapter Twelve spoilers I just had a random thought that will almost certainly not come true but it made me happy to think about it. So Kanon has been reduced to a soul, and unlike Ion's immortal soul hers will eventually be purified and reincarnated (unless that soul-protecting bell she got from the Empress means anything but I might be giving the foreshadowing too much credit there). However, I guess her soul will still temporarily settle near things that mattered to it, and half the reason Ion is going on this farewell tour is to maybe find it. Only, what meant a lot to Kanon? She shunned material things (even refusing to buy a cute birdy!) and she never seemed to get especially attached to places, not even the big Chimon temple. Where would Kanon's soul go? Then it hit me: Ion. Kanon became super attached to Ion. Again, this almost certainly won't be true, but it made me happy to imagine Kanon's soul might be following Ion on this final tour of Rs Ciela</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robazoid 03/10/17 4:24:49 AM #137:	Video progress: 212/252 Aw, there goes my heartwarming theory. It's hard to accept that Kanon really is gone forever, but at least they replayed the best part of the second-best chapter as Ion remembered their conversation from Chapter Five. I'm glad Pari and Coolin managed to get together, too. It was obvious they liked each other but those love/hate characters so rarely make it to actual love, so it was nice to see. Chapter Twelve has been pretty great so far! --- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D <cite>Robazoid posted [p:874764327] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>Video progress: 212/252 Aw, there goes my heartwarming theory. It's hard to accept that Kanon really is gone forever, but at least they replayed the best part of the second-best chapter as Ion remembered their conversation from Chapter Five. I'm glad Pari and Coolin managed to get together, too. It was obvious they liked each other but those love/hate characters so rarely make it to actual love, so it was nice to see. Chapter Twelve has been pretty great so far!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 03/11/17 1:00:10 AM #138:	I liked your idea. =( but yeah i knew what you were about to run into --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:874826887] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>I liked your idea. =( but yeah i knew what you were about to run into</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robazoid 03/11/17 5:11:16 AM #139:	I'm glad at least someone liked it, even if it wasn't true! Honestly, I'd have taken anything that would've brought Kanon back, but it wasn't meant to be. Video progress: 219/252 I really liked the video with Cas and Sarly where they talked about Ion somehow gathering people wholeheartedly to her side despite not being charismatic or anything. That's a great way to describe her. She's so kindhearted and earnest that she naturally draws people to her, even people like Nay who set out to hate her. I also really liked the video between Ion and Nay (even though xp already explained the events in the aftermath of the soul transfer earlier, thank you again). Nay finally forgave Ion fully and I was waiting for that. I still probably won't rank her any higher than in the last ranking unless she does something cool, but this did improve my opinion of her. Then there was the song, and man, they really went all out on this. Every chapter song was good but only the ones in 1, 8, and 12 really impressed me with the visuals. However, they didn't show Shirotaka during that pre-song bit, so until it's proven otherwise I'm going to assume he was still sorting his figures on Maison and got left behind to the destruction. At least he died happy >_> As for video 218, thank goodness for Nay and her door analogy regarding what was going on. I was afraid I was going to have to bug xp again for an explanation. Ion finally met back up with Tele-kun again, too! It was nice to see him... but it couldn't offset the fact that I'm worried about what's coming next. There's still the mystery of how that final memory links to non-memory Ion, and there are still enough videos left for one final horrible thing to happen to set up Ar nosurge... Map music ranking: 11 > 3 > 7 > 6 > 4 > 9 >> 12 > 2 > 1 > 5 > 10 >> 8 EDIT: Oh, also, Nelico is back to saying 'deepen your relationship!' again, even though I'm pretty sure the only way to do that is by awakening memories. Make up your mind, Nelico! --- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D <cite>Robazoid posted [p:874835688] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>I'm glad at least someone liked it, even if it wasn't true! Honestly, I'd have taken anything that would've brought Kanon back, but it wasn't meant to be. Video progress: 219/252 I really liked the video with Cas and Sarly where they talked about Ion somehow gathering people wholeheartedly to her side despite not being charismatic or anything. That's a great way to describe her. She's so kindhearted and earnest that she naturally draws people to her, even people like Nay who set out to hate her. I also really liked the video between Ion and Nay (even though xp already explained the events in the aftermath of the soul transfer earlier, thank you again). Nay finally forgave Ion fully and I was waiting for that. I still probably won't rank her any higher than in the last ranking unless she does something cool, but this did improve my opinion of her. Then there was the song, and man, they really went all out on this. Every chapter song was good but only the ones in 1, 8, and 12 really impressed me with the visuals. However, they didn't show Shirotaka during that pre-song bit, so until it's proven otherwise I'm going to assume he was still sorting his figures on Maison and got left behind to the destruction. At least he died happy >_> As for video 218, thank goodness for Nay and her door analogy regarding what was going on. I was afraid I was going to have to bug xp again for an explanation. Ion finally met back up with Tele-kun again, too! It was nice to see him... but it couldn't offset the fact that I'm worried about what's coming next. There's still the mystery of how that final memory links to non-memory Ion, and there are still enough videos left for one final horrible thing to happen to set up Ar nosurge... Map music ranking: 11 > 3 > 7 > 6 > 4 > 9 >> 12 > 2 > 1 > 5 > 10 >> 8 EDIT: Oh, also, Nelico is back to saying 'deepen your relationship!' again, even though I'm pretty sure the only way to do that is by awakening memories. Make up your mind, Nelico!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 03/11/17 6:29:47 PM #140:	Robazoid posted... I still probably won't rank her any higher than in the last ranking unless she does something cool, but this did improve my opinion of her. i still believe there's time for you to see the light Robazoid posted... Then there was the song, and man, they really went all out on this. Every chapter song was good but only the ones in 1, 8, and 12 really impressed me with the visuals. Yeah, Ra Ciel Fusor has some great visuals. Robazoid posted... Map music ranking: 11 > 3 > 7 > 6 > 4 > 9 >> 12 > 2 > 1 > 5 > 10 >> 8 LastPandemic in first all is right in the world. Pretty solid ranking. 6 would probably be #2 for me, with 3 and 7 close behind. I'd have 8 much higher though. The second half is pretty great and subjectively I still like how it sounds like it clashes with the rest of the map themes given it's the bad/wrong/distorted timeline. Anyways, this would be more properly said a little later video-wise, but I may not get the opportunity based on how much you watch next sooo... and. here. we. go. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:874867328] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote><cite>Robazoid posted...</cite> <quote>I still probably won't rank her any higher than in the last ranking unless she does something cool, but this did improve my opinion of her.</quote> i still believe there's time for you to see the light <cite>Robazoid posted...</cite> <quote>Then there was the song, and man, they really went all out on this. Every chapter song was good but only the ones in 1, 8, and 12 really impressed me with the visuals.</quote> Yeah, Ra Ciel Fusor has some great visuals. <cite>Robazoid posted...</cite> <quote>Map music ranking: 11 > 3 > 7 > 6 > 4 > 9 >> 12 > 2 > 1 > 5 > 10 >> 8</quote> LastPandemic in first all is right in the world. Pretty solid ranking. 6 would probably be #2 for me, with 3 and 7 close behind. I'd have 8 much higher though. The second half is pretty great and subjectively I still like how it sounds like it clashes with the rest of the map themes given it's the bad/wrong/distorted timeline. Anyways, this would be more properly said a little later video-wise, but I may not get the opportunity based on how much you watch next sooo... and. here. we. go.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robazoid 03/12/17 8:10:33 AM #141:	8 just isn't my style of music at all so it's hard to appreciate, even if it's thematically appropriate! xp1337 posted... and. here. we. go. ...Eventually! I started a visual novel today, figuring I'd go through it for a few hours... and then twelve hours passed. I'll catch back up to my schedule in Ciel nosurge tomorrow though (which should be easy because I'm pretty sure watching that music video yesterday actually put me a bit ahead) --- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D <cite>Robazoid posted [p:874902357] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>8 just isn't my style of music at all so it's hard to appreciate, even if it's thematically appropriate! <cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote>and. here. we. go.</quote> ...Eventually! I started a visual novel today, figuring I'd go through it for a few hours... and then twelve hours passed. I'll catch back up to my schedule in Ciel nosurge tomorrow though (which should be easy because I'm pretty sure watching that music video yesterday actually put me a bit ahead)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mobilezoid 03/13/17 7:51:39 AM #142:	Video progress: 234/252 I'm in the home stretch now! Those were some nice bedtime stories and little moments with Ion... until something happened after she built the robot. Sorry for not watching much this weekend but I'm finally caught up and slightly ahead on other things. Since I'm so close to the end I might dedicate more time to this now and try to finish ahead of schedule! --- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D (On mobile) <cite>Mobilezoid posted [p:874966840] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>Video progress: 234/252 I'm in the home stretch now! Those were some nice bedtime stories and little moments with Ion... until something happened after she built the robot. Sorry for not watching much this weekend but I'm finally caught up and slightly ahead on other things. Since I'm so close to the end I might dedicate more time to this now and try to finish ahead of schedule!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 03/13/17 11:55:32 AM #143:	Mobilezoid posted... I'm in the home stretch now! Those were some nice bedtime stories and little moments with Ion... until something happened after she built the robot. oh ya This would actually have been the ideal point for me to go "and. here. we. go." but I wasn't sure if you were going to watch further before you updated. super hype --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:874977313] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mobilezoid posted...</cite> <quote>I'm in the home stretch now! Those were some nice bedtime stories and little moments with Ion... until something happened after she built the robot.</quote> oh ya This would actually have been the ideal point for me to go "and. here. we. go." but I wasn't sure if you were going to watch further before you updated. super hype</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mobilezoid 03/13/17 9:22:12 PM #144:	There's about 6.5 hours left (exactly 369:56 in the playlist, still haven't checked the length of extra videos) so I'm going to try and finish it over the next two days, then start Ar nosurge late Wednesday/early Thursday. Is there anything major I should know before starting? I'm not even sure what kind of RPG this will be, are there missable items or hidden story content? --- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D (On mobile) <cite>Mobilezoid posted [p:875015230] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>There's about 6.5 hours left (exactly 369:56 in the playlist, still haven't checked the length of extra videos) so I'm going to try and finish it over the next two days, then start Ar nosurge late Wednesday/early Thursday. Is there anything major I should know before starting? I'm not even sure what kind of RPG this will be, are there missable items or hidden story content?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dowolf 03/14/17 1:06:00 AM #145:	There's one or two missable items that very much Do Not Matter, and a little bit of missable story content that I generally wouldn't worry about. The biggest advice I would give you is to put the difficulty on the highest setting available, and for the love of all that is holy and dear set the voices to Japanese. --- Nonsense. "Testing" is for when you're still guessing--and now, I have no need to guess. -- Agatha, Girl Genius <cite>dowolf posted [p:875029380] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>There's one or two missable items that very much Do Not Matter, and a little bit of missable story content that I generally wouldn't worry about. The biggest advice I would give you is to put the difficulty on the highest setting available, and for the love of all that is holy and dear set the voices to Japanese.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mobilezoid 03/14/17 1:12:19 AM #146:	dowolf posted... The biggest advice I would give you is to put the difficulty on the highest setting available, and for the love of all that is holy and dear set the voices to Japanese. I was actually worried Japanese voices wouldn't be an option, so I'm glad to hear I can pick them. Ion sounding different would be really disconcerting at this point Thanks for the info about missables too. I'm hoping that difficulty advice means the game is easy since I'm not exactly a pro gamer --- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D (On mobile) <cite>Mobilezoid posted [p:875029627] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote><cite>dowolf posted...</cite> <quote>The biggest advice I would give you is to put the difficulty on the highest setting available, and for the love of all that is holy and dear set the voices to Japanese.</quote> I was actually worried Japanese voices wouldn't be an option, so I'm glad to hear I can pick them. Ion sounding different would be really disconcerting at this point Thanks for the info about missables too. I'm hoping that difficulty advice means the game is easy since I'm not exactly a pro gamer</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dowolf 03/14/17 1:25:38 AM #147:	I'm assuming you can pick Japanese voices. Every Gust game that I played in English except for Atelier Ayesha had Japanese voices (I generally play Gust games in Japanese nowadays because the localizations are... Not the greatest). But I seem to recall people saying the option's available, and that turning them off literally ruined some of the greatest scenes in the game -- nay, in all of gaming! -- so yeah. I'm basing difficulty on the original PS3 version; they might've rebalanced? shrug. There's a few tough fights early on -- feel free to turn the difficulty down for them -- but later in the game, things will probably get dull if you don't have the difficulty set high. --- Nonsense. "Testing" is for when you're still guessing--and now, I have no need to guess. -- Agatha, Girl Genius <cite>dowolf posted [p:875030162] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>I'm assuming you can pick Japanese voices. Every Gust game that I played in English except for Atelier Ayesha had Japanese voices (I generally play Gust games in Japanese nowadays because the localizations are... Not the greatest). But I seem to recall people saying the option's available, and that turning them off literally ruined some of the greatest scenes in the game -- nay, in all of gaming! -- so yeah. I'm basing difficulty on the original PS3 version; they might've rebalanced? shrug. There's a few tough fights early on -- feel free to turn the difficulty down for them -- but later in the game, things will probably get dull if you don't have the difficulty set high.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mobilezoid 03/14/17 1:42:56 AM #148:	I googled it and I'm seeing some worrying posts about the subtitles in Ar nosurge Plus switching to Japanese if Japanese voices are selected. These are from 2015 though so hopefully they fixed it --- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D (On mobile) <cite>Mobilezoid posted [p:875030827] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>I googled it and I'm seeing some worrying posts about the subtitles in Ar nosurge Plus switching to Japanese if Japanese voices are selected. These are from 2015 though so hopefully they fixed it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 03/14/17 6:22:39 AM #149:	I played Ar nosurge Plus with Japanese voices and don't recall the subtitles ever switching to Japanese. To expand on what dowolf said: Yeah, while there's some missable stuff, none of it is a big deal IIRC. "biggest" deal would be some missable Talk Topics which are... a little tough to explain since you haven't played it. Basically you can pick up conversation topics you can have a short chat about with different characters. Some you get via story progress automatically and others you can find out in the field. Most of the field ones you can pick up whenever, but some have time windows. Not too many though and you'd only end up missing a few conversations. Re: difficulty. You may want to switch it around a bit. It's the same as the PS3 version, but you might find some bosses a bit tough on the higher difficulties. You can change it freely though, IIRC, so you can just mess with it and find a setting you like. Standard encounters are normal are a joke though, yeah. Think I played on Hard (the middle difficulty.) dowolf posted... I'm basing difficulty on the original PS3 version; they might've rebalanced? "lol" They totally didn't. >_> In fact a number of bugs from the PS3 version still exist in Plus. Like the TxBIOS one where everything actually applies a level higher or lower (I forget which, can/will check when Roba starts) than it should and I think even the delay buster one that can freeze the game (I actually tried to check this but couldn't find an answer if it still exists in Plus.) And the one case where they accidentally swapped the stats on a boss you face twice so you have the second encounter stats on the first encounter making the first time considerably more difficult than it should be. >_> In the PS3 version using the special move Delay Burst could freeze the game. So I just never used it. >_> --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:875038968] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>I played Ar nosurge Plus with Japanese voices and don't recall the subtitles ever switching to Japanese. To expand on what dowolf said: Yeah, while there's some missable stuff, none of it is a big deal IIRC. "biggest" deal would be some missable Talk Topics which are... a little tough to explain since you haven't played it. Basically you can pick up conversation topics you can have a short chat about with different characters. Some you get via story progress automatically and others you can find out in the field. Most of the field ones you can pick up whenever, but some have time windows. Not too many though and you'd only end up missing a few conversations. Re: difficulty. You may want to switch it around a bit. It's the same as the PS3 version, but you might find some bosses a bit tough on the higher difficulties. You can change it freely though, IIRC, so you can just mess with it and find a setting you like. Standard encounters are normal are a joke though, yeah. Think I played on Hard (the middle difficulty.) <cite>dowolf posted...</cite> <quote>I'm basing difficulty on the original PS3 version; they might've rebalanced?</quote> "lol" They totally didn't. >_> In fact a number of bugs from the PS3 version still exist in Plus. Like the TxBIOS one where everything actually applies a level higher or lower (I forget which, can/will check when Roba starts) than it should and I think even the delay buster one that can freeze the game (I actually tried to check this but couldn't find an answer if it still exists in Plus.) And the one case where they accidentally swapped the stats on a boss you face twice so you have the second encounter stats on the first encounter making the first time considerably more difficult than it should be. >_> In the PS3 version using the special move Delay Burst could freeze the game. So I just never used it. >_></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robazoid 03/14/17 6:58:22 AM #150:	Glad to hear that Japanese subtitle problem has been fixed, apparently! Video progress: 246/252 Well... things went wrong very quickly. I figured Nero would come back somehow, but that happened a lot faster than I was expecting. I'm sure Ar nosurge will deal with this, but aren't they all completely screwed now? The portal is closed and they have zero energy left because Nero used it all. Where in the world do they go from here? And why did Nay's voice change when she got the vocal cords even though Ion's didn't? As for the majority of the videos after that... eh. I'm actually more angry at Nay now than I was before. She had conflicting emotions, sure, but she was still firmly on the anti-Ion team until the exact moment she realized Zill wasn't actually going to help her. Coming to like Ion wasn't the real reason she switched sides, she just added Zill to the list of people she didn't like anymore. I preferred Nay's story before these blanks were filled. I already had enough information to guess most of her story so it hasn't told me anything major, and what little new information I've received has made me like Nay considerably less. Kanon's memories have been a lot better so far, but it did make me like Clacket a lot less as well. Actually seeing him lure in orphans for freaky experiments is kind of messed up. Cosal at least wasn't the mastermind and he felt enough shame to recognize his mistake and apologize later on. Clacket just went into hiding and made silly foods, completely shrugging off the fact that he basically murdered 228 orphans and changed the 229th orphan forever. Basically, Ion and Kanon are eternally forgiving saints so I'm getting angry at Nay and Clacket for them. I'm sure the answer to this is coming in the final videos, but I'm still not sure why these memories are such a big deal. How does filling these slight blanks in Nay and Kanon's stories help Ion escape her present situation? --- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D <cite>Robazoid posted [p:875039885] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>Glad to hear that Japanese subtitle problem has been fixed, apparently! Video progress: 246/252 Well... things went wrong very quickly. I figured Nero would come back somehow, but that happened a lot faster than I was expecting. I'm sure Ar nosurge will deal with this, but aren't they all completely screwed now? The portal is closed and they have zero energy left because Nero used it all. Where in the world do they go from here? And why did Nay's voice change when she got the vocal cords even though Ion's didn't? As for the majority of the videos after that... eh. I'm actually more angry at Nay now than I was before. She had conflicting emotions, sure, but she was still firmly on the anti-Ion team until the exact moment she realized Zill wasn't actually going to help her. Coming to like Ion wasn't the real reason she switched sides, she just added Zill to the list of people she didn't like anymore. I preferred Nay's story before these blanks were filled. I already had enough information to guess most of her story so it hasn't told me anything major, and what little new information I've received has made me like Nay considerably less. Kanon's memories have been a lot better so far, but it did make me like Clacket a lot less as well. Actually seeing him lure in orphans for freaky experiments is kind of messed up. Cosal at least wasn't the mastermind and he felt enough shame to recognize his mistake and apologize later on. Clacket just went into hiding and made silly foods, completely shrugging off the fact that he basically murdered 228 orphans and changed the 229th orphan forever. Basically, Ion and Kanon are eternally forgiving saints so I'm getting angry at Nay and Clacket for them. I'm sure the answer to this is coming in the final videos, but I'm still not sure why these memories are such a big deal. How does filling these slight blanks in Nay and Kanon's stories help Ion escape her present situation?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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