Board 8 > ^King of the Mountain^ - Save My Robot/Android - Nominations

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BakusaiTenketsu
07/04/12 12:28:00 AM
#251:


I'm a little rusty on some of my video games, but isn't EDI and Cortana Computer AI's and not actual Robots/Androids?

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Jeff Zero
07/04/12 12:29:00 AM
#252:


From: BakusaiTenketsu | #251
I'm a little rusty on some of my video games, but isn't EDI and Cortana Computer AI's and not actual Robots/Androids?


"Artificial life or intelligence created by another species". This includes physical robotics as well as artificial AIs that may not have solid bodies, but at least have a distinct "character".

I think they're fine, really. I voiced some reluctant dissension toward The Doctor from Star Trek Voyager making it in earlier because he's a hologram, but he also fits that rule's bill, so yeah.

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vcharon
07/04/12 12:31:00 AM
#253:


EDI got a body in ME3 regardless, but I allowed AIs because they are just robots without any physical body. I prefer that definition rather than the restriction of being a metallic object.

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GenesisSaga
07/04/12 12:35:00 AM
#254:


vcharon posted...
Nominations are tentatively still open. As I am leaning on disqualifying Cell.

Can someone that supported Motoko getting in give some defense? These guys seem to actually know the character, and I do not.


She was born a human in a technologically advanced society. Her entire body is what the show calls "fully prosthetic". She is technically a cyborg but she is far more robotic than human. Do with that information what you will. I'm going to bed soon.

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vcharon
07/04/12 12:42:00 AM
#255:


Yeah, I'm gonna have to permit that I guess. I think a lot of people didn't really understand my real stance on the cyborg/robot thing. I just didn't want an actual human with a robot arm winning this. Even if the character was born human, so long as they are basically fully robotic I decided to just allow them in.

"Technically" a cyborg sure, but a handful of other characters are the same way. As I said prior to starting the topic, there are certain characters I would allow to appear in both a robot and cyborg KotM (not like it's infrequent that characters make cross appearances).

Question about Cell: Was he still actually created? Being birthed is not necessarily a disqualifying trait, it matters more about his origin (and I still have a hard time disqualifying any character the source material itself refers to as 'android').

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vcharon
07/04/12 12:46:00 AM
#256:


I suppose I should ask outright:

Are people pleased with that stance? Is this 'robot' enough?

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Jeff Zero
07/04/12 12:47:00 AM
#257:


It's enough for me. But if someone felt it wasn't, well, it wouldn't slay me, I guess. I really would love to see Motoko make it in, of course.

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Xuxon
07/04/12 12:49:00 AM
#258:


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vcharon
07/04/12 12:52:00 AM
#259:


Just from reading a little about it, I feel like I might have to be forced into disqualifying the rest of the DBZ androids if I did drop him. That being said, I suppose I will just allow him to stay given the source material's use of the word android.

The rest of these seem fine, so this is tentatively our field of 100. I know it's the 4th of July for us Americans, but the contest will still begin tomorrow. Not sure about the double round though, maybe just start off with one round since it's a holiday.

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crazyisgood
07/04/12 1:25:00 AM
#260:


I am ok with Motoko being in she sounds more like a robot than a cyborg to me as she is completely machine just with human brain waves from the sound of it.

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SuorGenoveffa
07/04/12 3:17:00 AM
#261:


3-4 rounds a day IMO.

Give GLaDOS the win ASAP and let's move on, in fact.

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PumpkinCoach
07/04/12 8:04:00 AM
#262:


Android 17 and 18 are cyborgs - they retained their human personalities, free will, and ability to reproduce. I don't know how much of their body is actually changed, but it can't be that much if they can reproduce.

Though personally, I would classify anyone that was fully human before as cyborgs even if they are fully mechanized now, since they still have the fractured identity of a cyborg. Are the MK cyborgs fully lobotomized or do they retain any hints of memories or personality?

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SuorGenoveffa
07/04/12 8:09:00 AM
#263:


If we consider MK9 as canon, Cyber Sub-Zero gets its memory fixed by Jax after its transformation, so I would assume that they retain their whole memory and personality in some way.

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PumpkinCoach
07/04/12 8:32:00 AM
#264:


Cell should count - he was created much in the same way robots are, just with some biological processes that informs his power set, kind of like how the Terminator is built with human skin for infiltration.

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Jmast7
07/04/12 8:40:00 AM
#265:


I have no opinion on those being discussed, but in case they aren't allowed I'll nominate

Sharon 'Athena' Agathon (Battlestar Galactica)

to replace one of them. <_<

Good field overall, though

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SockoDeus
07/04/12 8:56:00 AM
#266:


Cell is much more biological than Androids 17 and 18. If I remember correctly, the only thing "artificial" about him is his creation.

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PumpkinCoach
07/04/12 9:01:00 AM
#267:


Cell is biological because he was created with biological parts. Android 17 and 18 are biological because they were human. Robots are assembled while cyborgs are disassembled and then reassembled.

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SuorGenoveffa
07/04/12 9:05:00 AM
#268:


Nu-13 (Blazblue)

Just in case a spot gets free and two more guys nom her.

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SockoDeus
07/04/12 9:32:00 AM
#269:


For the sake of the contest, a character can be allowed if they go through enough mechanization. That is the argument that can be made for 17 and 18. There is nothing robotic about Cell, and he's really only an android in name only. The collection of the cells that compose him may have been unnatural, but he's still a living organism, growing from a larva in an incubator into an adult form. I'd liken him to a realian from Xenosaga - an artificial human that is completely biological (and I imagine wouldn't be allowed).

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Pirateking2000
07/04/12 9:34:00 AM
#270:


No Hussiebot XJ9 Jailbot etc? Sad (unless spots open up)

although still good list and going to be more interesting than Assassin

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GenesisSaga
07/04/12 9:37:00 AM
#271:


Yeah... I'm not really on board with Cell. Android 17 + 18 sure, but... not Cell.

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Pirateking2000
07/04/12 9:43:00 AM
#272:


Would Jinzo count? I thought he was a cyborg

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Inviso
07/04/12 9:49:00 AM
#273:


Yeah, Jinzo is definitely a cyborg.

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mnkboy907
07/04/12 9:58:00 AM
#274:


Cell is listed as an android in that Wikipedia list, for what it's worth.

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OlDirtyNumbers
07/04/12 10:03:00 AM
#275:


None of Cell/17/18 should be in.

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OlDirtyNumbers
07/04/12 10:04:00 AM
#276:


From: SockoDeus | #269
For the sake of the contest, a character can be allowed if they go through enough mechanization. That is the argument that can be made for 17 and 18.


Considering 18 has a child I don't really know how she can be considered mechanized enough.

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vcharon
07/04/12 10:30:00 AM
#277:


Alright, well.

Arguments against/for Jinzo? People seem to be really against Cell so I'm gonna take him out and replace him with Athena. I can't seem to find out on any wikias what Jinzo actually is, so some help would be appreciated.

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Pirateking2000
07/04/12 10:33:00 AM
#278:


vcharon posted...
Alright, well.

Arguments against/for Jinzo? People seem to be really against Cell so I'm gonna take him out and replace him with Athena. I can't seem to find out on any wikias what Jinzo actually is, so some help would be appreciated.


http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Jinzo_(series)

says in japanese and korean version he is also known as Android - Psycho

but I dunno thought he was a cyborg =/

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Jmast7
07/04/12 10:35:00 AM
#279:


vcharon posted...
Alright, well.

Arguments against/for Jinzo? People seem to be really against Cell so I'm gonna take him out and replace him with Athena.


^_^

Is Jinzo actually a character or is he just a really powerful card from the game? Does he appear in anything other than the card game? <.<

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vcharon
07/04/12 10:36:00 AM
#280:


Well I just need to know if he was/is a human with parts connected to him that makes him look the way he does. I can't seem to find any information on that.

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Pirateking2000
07/04/12 10:36:00 AM
#281:


Jmast7 posted...
vcharon posted...
Alright, well.

Arguments against/for Jinzo? People seem to be really against Cell so I'm gonna take him out and replace him with Athena.


^_^

Is Jinzo actually a character or is he just a really powerful card from the game? Does he appear in anything other than the card game? <.<


Depends. Do you count that Big 5 / Noah filler or whatever?

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vcharon
07/04/12 10:47:00 AM
#282:


Is there ever any time that it is explicitly stated what Jinzo is in anything?

Going out to a 4th dinner thing, I will begin a round when I get back and make the final decisions on some of these things. Right now, I have replaced Cell with Athena. If I replace any others, characters will need to be nominated to take their place.

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Jmast7
07/04/12 10:57:00 AM
#283:


Well, if anything else is eliminated I'll nominate:

Sentinel (X-Men), though Master Mold (X-Men) would probably be a better choice since he's a specific Sentinel rather than just the generic line.

The Tri-Sentinel (Spider-Man) is also another good choice. That was such a terrific storyline.

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SockoDeus
07/04/12 11:06:00 AM
#284:


From: OlDirtyNumbers | #276
From: SockoDeus | #269
For the sake of the contest, a character can be allowed if they go through enough mechanization. That is the argument that can be made for 17 and 18.


Considering 18 has a child I don't really know how she can be considered mechanized enough.


I'm not against the removal of 17 and 18 as well...

From: Jmast7 | #279
vcharon posted...
Alright, well.

Arguments against/for Jinzo? People seem to be really against Cell so I'm gonna take him out and replace him with Athena.


^_^

Is Jinzo actually a character or is he just a really powerful card from the game? Does he appear in anything other than the card game? <.<


Since when are cards ineligible?

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Great_Paul
07/04/12 11:13:00 AM
#285:


There were like 4 Yugioh monsters in the Mage one. Also Jinzo does have a role in GX

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SuorGenoveffa
07/04/12 3:17:00 PM
#286:


Someone should nominate Mingy Jongo and argue against characters IMO.

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vcharon
07/04/12 3:39:00 PM
#287:


Alright, final rulings:

Out: Cell, Android 17/18.
Reasoning is that they are biological androids, which sort of hampers the feeling of this mechanical contest.

Keeping: Jinzo (Lack of arguments against him)

In:
Sharon 'Athena' Agathon (Battlestar Galactica)
Sentinel (X-Men) The 'Sentinel' character under this name appears in fighting games and the like, so it is a unique character not a group of them

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vcharon
07/04/12 3:40:00 PM
#288:


1 nomination:

Adventure Core (Portal 2)
Alisa Bosconovitch (Tekken)
Ana (Murder Princess)
Andromon (Digimon)
Andy the Messenger Robot (Dark Tower series)
Animal King (Portal 2)
Arsenal (Final Fantasy Legend II)
Astro Boy (Astro Boy)
Aya (Green Lantern: The Animated Series)
Bastion (Marvel comics)
Big Robot Bil (The Neverhood)
Blitzcrank (League of Legends)
Bloodberry (Saber Marionette J)
Bubo (Clash of the Titans)
Cambot (Mystery Science Theater 3000)
Cameron Phillips (Sarah Connor Chronicles)
Chimeratech Overdragon (Yugioh)
Courtney Gears (Ratchet and Clank: Up Your Arsenal)
Cyber Dragon (Yugioh)
Danger (Marvel Comics)
D'Anna Biers/ Number 3
Deadlock (ABC Warriors)
Emerl (Sonic Battle)
Eradicator (DC Comics)
Ershin (Breath of Fire 4)
EVO (Spacestation Silicon Valley)
Flexo (Futurama)
Fulgore (Killer Instinct)
Funnybot (South Park)
Geoff Peterson (Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson)
Gesicht (Pluto)
Gort (The Day the Earth Stood Still)
Grape-Nuts Robot (Homestarrunner)
Gypsy (MST3K)
Hammerstein (ABC Warriors)
Hussiebot (Homestuck)
IG-88B (Star Wars)
Jack-X (Tekken)
Jadebot (Homestuck)
Jailbot (Super Jail)
Joe Pineapples (ABC Warriors)
Justice (Guilty Gear)
KITT (Knight Rider)
Liv Tyler (Homestuck)
Lore (Star Trek TNG)
Lucy Liu-bot (Futurama)
Maria (Metropolis)
Marina Liteyears (Mischief Makers)
Mechagodzilla (Godzilla)
Magnezone (Pokemon)
Megaman.EXE (Battle Networks)
MetalGarurumon
Metis (Persona 3:FES)
Mr. Butlertron (Clone High)
Multi (To Heart)
Nirvana (Blazblue)
Number Six (Battlestar Galactica)
Orianna (League of Legends)
Perfect Machine King (Yu-Gi-Oh!)
Preston (Wallace and Gromit)
Pris (Blade Runner)
Punisher Robot (Marvel Comics)
R. Daneel Olivaw (Isaac Asimov's Robot series)
R-110 (Timesplitters Future Perfect)
Rattrap (Beast Wars)
Rhinox (Beast Wars)
Ro-Jaws (ABC Warriors)
Robo-Jean (Arm Joe)
Robot Lois Lane (DC Comics)
Roll (Mega Man)
Rush (Mega Man)
SCP-882 (The SCP Foundation)
Skeets (DC Comics)
Slag (Transformers G1)
Sludge (Transformers G1)
Snarl (Transformers G1)
Solty Revant (Soltyrei)
Sophie (Tales of Graces)
Soundwave (Transformers G1)
Steve (Rogue Galaxy)
Swindle (Transformers G1)
Swoop (Transformers G1)
T260G (SaGa Frontier)
Tarantulas (Beast Wars)
Tigatron (Beast Wars)
Tomorrow Woman (DC Comics)
Vinceborg 2050 (Barkley, Shut Up and Jam: Gaiden)
Voltron (Voltron: Defender of the Universe)
WarGreymon
Waspinator (Beast Wars)
Wintermute (Neuromancer)
Yuna (Murder Princess)
Yuria (Yuria 100 Shiki)

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Pirateking2000
07/04/12 3:40:00 PM
#289:


Hussiebot or XJ9! lol

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Inviso
07/04/12 3:41:00 PM
#290:


Black Arachnia

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vcharon
07/04/12 3:41:00 PM
#291:


2 nominations:

Air Man (Mega Man)
Airazor (Beast Wars)
Amazo (DC Comics)
Arale Norimaki (Dr. Slump)
Ashlotte (Soul Calibur)
Astraea (Sora no Otoshimono)
Blackarachnia (Beast Wars)
Chibi-Robo (Chibi-Robo)
Clamps (Futurama)
Doraemon (Doraemon)
Dr. Letz Shake (No More Heroes 2)
Goddard (Jimmy Neutron)
Grounder (Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog)
H.E.L.P.eR. (The Venture Bros.)
Ikaros (Sora no Otoshimono)
Jenny Wakeman "XJ9" (My Life as a Teenage Robot)
Jugger (Advance Wars: Dual Strike)
Klinklang (Pokemon)
Len Kagamine (Vocaloid)
The Masked Man (Mother 3)
Metabee (Medabots)
Mic (Warioware)
Mingy Jongo (Banjo-Tooie)
Mirage (Transformers G1)
Mr. Zurkon (Ratchet and Clank)
Nimrod (Marvel Universe)
Nymph (Sora no Otoshimono)
Porygon2 (Pokemon)
Porygon-Z (Pokemon)
RepliCarter (Stargate SG1)
ROB 64 (Star Fox 64)
Roy Batty (Blade Runner)
Ryoko Asakura (Haruhi Suzumiya)
Saul Tigh (Battlestar Galactica)
Scorponok (Beast Wars)
Scratch (Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog)
Sentinel (X-Men)
Sharon 'Athena' Agathon (Battlestar Galactica)
Uncle Chuck (Sonic the Hedgehog)
Urkel-Bot (Family Matters)
Worker 8 (Final Fantasy Tactics)

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vcharon
07/04/12 3:42:00 PM
#292:


Closing this up; Day 1 in a few moments.

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