Board 8 > Save my Villain DISCUSSION

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crazyisgood 04/19/12 12:01:00 AM #1:	How do we want to define a character as a villain? Is it they have spent more time as a villain over hero or Anti-Hero Is it they are currently a villain? something else looking for how to define Villain.... -- Randomness 29 http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/260328 <cite>crazyisgood posted [p:1051277] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> How do we want to define a character as a villain?Is it they have spent more time as a villain over hero or Anti-HeroIs it they are currently a villain?something elselooking for how to define Villain.... -- Randomness 29 http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/260328 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
crazyisgood 04/19/12 12:59:00 AM #2:	up -- Randomness 29 http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/260328 <cite>crazyisgood posted [p:1051278] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> up -- Randomness 29 http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/260328 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Psycho_Kenshin 04/19/12 1:03:00 AM #3:	So it begins! Hmmm how to define a villain, good question. Probably easier to define than some other things we've had contests on. A villain would typically be an antagonist of a story, and if they're in the ol' villain turned hero thing then only if their time as a villain was longer or more memorable, something like that I'd say. -- One Piece: Pirates with style! -= Metal Gear Solid: Tactical Espionage Action =- <cite>Psycho_Kenshin posted [p:1051279] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> So it begins!Hmmm how to define a villain, good question. Probably easier to define than some other things we've had contests on.A villain would typically be an antagonist of a story, and if they're in the ol' villain turned hero thing then only if their time as a villain was longer or more memorable, something like that I'd say. -- One Piece: Pirates with style!-= Metal Gear Solid: Tactical Espionage Action =- </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vishje3000 04/19/12 1:45:00 AM #4:	Nominate Scar ;-) <cite>Vishje3000 posted [p:1051280] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> Nominate Scar ;-) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff Zero 04/19/12 1:49:00 AM #5:	Ken's got it. -- "Later..." <Toonami> <4/1/2012> <Never Forget> ~SCP~ http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png <cite>Jeff Zero posted [p:1051281] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> Ken's got it. -- "Later..." <Toonami> <4/1/2012> <Never Forget> ~SCP~http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solfadore 04/19/12 2:15:00 AM #6:	I would make a distinction between antagonist and villain. A character may be the story's antagonist, yet still be heroic. Similarly, the protagonist may also be the story's villain. Think Death Note, for instance - where Light would undoubtedly be the villain, and L clearly be the hero. Or American Psycho, where you could hardly qualify Bateman as something else than a villain. By and large, they would be antagonists, but not always. A villain in and of itself is hard to define without running in circles. The character would have to be somewhat 'evil', to say the least, or have done 'evil' deeds. Morally gray characters are a bit iffy, though I guess we'll know when we see one. I guess it depends on the overall tone of the story. If it's a fairytale filled with goody two-shoes, then an morally ambiguous character who kills ten people to save thousands might be arguably seen as a villain. If it's, say, the Sopranos, the hitman who kills dozens of people but feels rather sorry for it might not be. Again, though, hard to define. Guess we'll know a villain when we see one. As far as changing sides go, I completely agree with Kenshin. If a villain turns hero, or hero turned villain, they're eligible only if their time as a villain was longer or more memorable. Darth Vader would definitely be eligible as a villain, for instance. Severus Snape would not. At least that's how I feel. -- When you have nothing to say, quote yourself ~ Solfadore <cite>Solfadore posted [p:1051282] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> I would make a distinction between antagonist and villain. A character may be the story's antagonist, yet still be heroic. Similarly, the protagonist may also be the story's villain. Think Death Note, for instance - where Light would undoubtedly be the villain, and L clearly be the hero. Or American Psycho, where you could hardly qualify Bateman as something else than a villain. By and large, they would be antagonists, but not always.A villain in and of itself is hard to define without running in circles. The character would have to be somewhat 'evil', to say the least, or have done 'evil' deeds. Morally gray characters are a bit iffy, though I guess we'll know when we see one. I guess it depends on the overall tone of the story. If it's a fairytale filled with goody two-shoes, then an morally ambiguous character who kills ten people to save thousands might be arguably seen as a villain. If it's, say, the Sopranos, the hitman who kills dozens of people but feels rather sorry for it might not be. Again, though, hard to define. Guess we'll know a villain when we see one.As far as changing sides go, I completely agree with Kenshin. If a villain turns hero, or hero turned villain, they're eligible only if their time as a villain was longer or more memorable. Darth Vader would definitely be eligible as a villain, for instance. Severus Snape would not. At least that's how I feel. -- When you have nothing to say, quote yourself ~ Solfadore </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 04/19/12 2:19:00 AM #7:	I like antagonist better. So we can get Donkey Kong and Mario into this. -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 <cite>pjbasis posted [p:1051283] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> I like antagonist better.So we can get Donkey Kong and Mario into this. -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solfadore 04/19/12 2:26:00 AM #8:	Mario's definitely a villain. "Oh, kidnapping my girlfriend, are you? BRB, murdering all your children." -- When you have nothing to say, quote yourself ~ Solfadore <cite>Solfadore posted [p:1051284] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> Mario's definitely a villain."Oh, kidnapping my girlfriend, are you? BRB, murdering all your children." -- When you have nothing to say, quote yourself ~ Solfadore </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Seisen_Kitsune 04/19/12 2:33:00 AM #9:	Mario was the villain in Donkey Kong Jr. Kept DK locked in a cage, whipping him, while sending monsters to murder DK's kid. I'd say (in the case of long-running characters) they should have spent the majority of their time as a villain. While Mario was evil there, clearly, that's nothing compared to how often he was a hero. Comic characters can be harder, but...eh. -- In this world which will someday fall to ruin... ...dreams and hopes don't matter at all. <cite>Seisen_Kitsune posted [p:1051285] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> Mario was the villain in Donkey Kong Jr. Kept DK locked in a cage, whipping him, while sending monsters to murder DK's kid.I'd say (in the case of long-running characters) they should have spent the majority of their time as a villain. While Mario was evil there, clearly, that's nothing compared to how often he was a hero. Comic characters can be harder, but...eh. -- In this world which will someday fall to ruin......dreams and hopes don't matter at all. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solfadore 04/19/12 2:36:00 AM #10:	Well yeah, obviously, Mario wouldn't be eligible. I think Ken nailed it quite nicely, though there will surely be some tough calls to make. -- When you have nothing to say, quote yourself ~ Solfadore <cite>Solfadore posted [p:1051286] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> Well yeah, obviously, Mario wouldn't be eligible. I think Ken nailed it quite nicely, though there will surely be some tough calls to make. -- When you have nothing to say, quote yourself ~ Solfadore </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
crazyisgood 04/19/12 2:44:00 AM #11:	Kens Definition sounds pretty good so far. I think I will add in though discussion during nominations on if a character qualifies. -- Randomness 29 http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/260328 <cite>crazyisgood posted [p:1051287] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> Kens Definition sounds pretty good so far.I think I will add in though discussion during nominations on if a character qualifies. -- Randomness 29 http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/260328 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SuorGenoveffa 04/19/12 8:21:00 AM #12:	When will nominations start? -- SuperNiceDog won the Guru contest super nicely! <cite>SuorGenoveffa posted [p:1051288] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> When will nominations start? -- SuperNiceDog won the Guru contest super nicely! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
profDEADPOOL 04/19/12 10:18:00 AM #13:	tag. I like this def btw From: Solfadore \| #006 I would make a distinction between antagonist and villain. A character may be the story's antagonist, yet still be heroic. Similarly, the protagonist may also be the story's villain. Think Death Note, for instance - where Light would undoubtedly be the villain, and L clearly be the hero. Or American Psycho, where you could hardly qualify Bateman as something else than a villain. By and large, they would be antagonists, but not always. A villain in and of itself is hard to define without running in circles. The character would have to be somewhat 'evil', to say the least, or have done 'evil' deeds. Morally gray characters are a bit iffy, though I guess we'll know when we see one. I guess it depends on the overall tone of the story. If it's a fairytale filled with goody two-shoes, then an morally ambiguous character who kills ten people to save thousands might be arguably seen as a villain. If it's, say, the Sopranos, the hitman who kills dozens of people but feels rather sorry for it might not be. Again, though, hard to define. Guess we'll know a villain when we see one. As far as changing sides go, I completely agree with Kenshin. If a villain turns hero, or hero turned villain, they're eligible only if their time as a villain was longer or more memorable. Darth Vader would definitely be eligible as a villain, for instance. Severus Snape would not. At least that's how I feel. -- Official Mienshao of the pokemon B/W and BW2 clans Comic pull list: UXF, WatX, XML, Avengers Academy, Defenders, Secret Avengers, JLI, and Batwing <cite>profDEADPOOL posted [p:1051289] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> tag. I like this def btwFrom: Solfadore \| #006I would make a distinction between antagonist and villain. A character may be the story's antagonist, yet still be heroic. Similarly, the protagonist may also be the story's villain. Think Death Note, for instance - where Light would undoubtedly be the villain, and L clearly be the hero. Or American Psycho, where you could hardly qualify Bateman as something else than a villain. By and large, they would be antagonists, but not always.A villain in and of itself is hard to define without running in circles. The character would have to be somewhat 'evil', to say the least, or have done 'evil' deeds. Morally gray characters are a bit iffy, though I guess we'll know when we see one. I guess it depends on the overall tone of the story. If it's a fairytale filled with goody two-shoes, then an morally ambiguous character who kills ten people to save thousands might be arguably seen as a villain. If it's, say, the Sopranos, the hitman who kills dozens of people but feels rather sorry for it might not be. Again, though, hard to define. Guess we'll know a villain when we see one.As far as changing sides go, I completely agree with Kenshin. If a villain turns hero, or hero turned villain, they're eligible only if their time as a villain was longer or more memorable. Darth Vader would definitely be eligible as a villain, for instance. Severus Snape would not. At least that's how I feel. -- Official Mienshao of the pokemon B/W and BW2 clansComic pull list: UXF, WatX, XML, Avengers Academy, Defenders, Secret Avengers, JLI, and Batwing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
malyg 04/19/12 10:23:00 AM #14:	spoilers for the contest Bowser wins. -- if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it do the other trees laugh? <cite>malyg posted [p:1051290] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> spoilers for the contestBowser wins. -- if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it do the other trees laugh? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shoenin_Kakashi 04/19/12 10:27:00 AM #15:	Xanatos, Shredder, Skeletor, or Dio Brando should win tbh -- Oh SuperNiceDog's doing it again dude. SuperNiceDog, you ain't no pimp dude <cite>Shoenin_Kakashi posted [p:1051291] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> Xanatos, Shredder, Skeletor, or Dio Brando should win tbh -- Oh SuperNiceDog's doing it again dude.SuperNiceDog, you ain't no pimp dude </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shoenin_Kakashi 04/19/12 10:28:00 AM #16:	speaking of which, those are my noms if noms are up -- Oh SuperNiceDog's doing it again dude. SuperNiceDog, you ain't no pimp dude <cite>Shoenin_Kakashi posted [p:1051292] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> speaking of which, those are my noms if noms are up -- Oh SuperNiceDog's doing it again dude.SuperNiceDog, you ain't no pimp dude </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
crazyisgood 04/19/12 12:16:00 PM #17:	nominations will begin once the definition is well established. and I like Kens but agree we need to differ from antagonist and villain. Villains are generally bad guys or evil doers -- Randomness 29 http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/260328 <cite>crazyisgood posted [p:1051293] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> nominations will begin once the definition is well established. and I like Kens but agree we need to differ from antagonist and villain. Villains are generally bad guys or evil doers -- Randomness 29 http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/260328 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
crazyisgood 04/19/12 12:17:00 PM #18:	Venom I don't think qualifies? White Queen definitely not anymore. Magneto Yes Sabretooth yes -- Randomness 29 http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/260328 <cite>crazyisgood posted [p:1051294] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> Venom I don't think qualifies?White Queen definitely not anymore.Magneto YesSabretooth yes -- Randomness 29 http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/260328 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 04/19/12 12:18:00 PM #19:	Venom doesn't qualify? Psh I only know him as a villain. -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 <cite>pjbasis posted [p:1051295] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> Venom doesn't qualify?Psh I only know him as a villain. -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
crazyisgood 04/19/12 12:20:00 PM #20:	I am asking on him as well I consider him more of an anti-hero at least eddie Brock version than a bad guy. He just hates Spider-Man -- Randomness 29 http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/260328 <cite>crazyisgood posted [p:1051296] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> I am asking on him as well I consider him more of an anti-hero at least eddie Brock version than a bad guy.He just hates Spider-Man -- Randomness 29 http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/260328 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SuorGenoveffa 04/19/12 12:21:00 PM #21:	I think that Villains = Evil doers is a simple enough definition. Or at least, they must have spent more than half of their screen time doing evil stuff. Evil stuff = stuff that harms people arbitrarily. -- SuperNiceDog won the Guru contest super nicely! <cite>SuorGenoveffa posted [p:1051297] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> I think that Villains = Evil doers is a simple enough definition. Or at least, they must have spent more than half of their screen time doing evil stuff.Evil stuff = stuff that harms people arbitrarily. -- SuperNiceDog won the Guru contest super nicely! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DpObliVion 04/19/12 12:25:00 PM #22:	What about Walter White from Breaking Bad? He's certainly the protagonist, and I would certainly consider an adversary like Gus to be a villain, but I think a lot of people paint Walt as a bit of a villain too, because he gets mixed up in doing a lot of evil himself. That could be an important one for debating. -- NEW YORK GIANTS: SUPER BOWL XLII/XLVI CHAMPIONS! Save My South Park Episode! http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-/62573234 <cite>DpObliVion posted [p:1051298] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> What about Walter White from Breaking Bad? He's certainly the protagonist, and I would certainly consider an adversary like Gus to be a villain, but I think a lot of people paint Walt as a bit of a villain too, because he gets mixed up in doing a lot of evil himself. That could be an important one for debating. -- NEW YORK GIANTS: SUPER BOWL XLII/XLVI CHAMPIONS!Save My South Park Episode! http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-/62573234 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
malyg 04/19/12 12:36:00 PM #23:	*pjbasis posted...* Venom doesn't qualify? Psh I only know him as a villain. You should his current ongoing series. One of the best things in Marvel at the moment. -- if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it do the other trees laugh? <cite>malyg posted [p:1051299] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> pjbasis posted...Venom doesn't qualify?Psh I only know him as a villain.You should his current ongoing series.One of the best things in Marvel at the moment. -- if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it do the other trees laugh? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DpObliVion 04/19/12 12:40:00 PM #24:	Also curious about Romance of Three Kingdoms/Dynasty Warriors characters, who are based off of real people who weren't necessarily villains, but somewhat portrayed as villains. Dong Zhuo and Lu Bu are examples of people who definitely are portrayed as villains, while Cao Cao would be more ambiguous. Are we even allowing real people, or characters based off real people? Allowing real people could get ugly, I don't want people like Hitler in the contest, but maybe you do. It's a bit different with RoTK since it's based off real historical people, but they'd be pretty unknown without their likeness being used in the novel and video games. -- NEW YORK GIANTS: SUPER BOWL XLII/XLVI CHAMPIONS! Save My South Park Episode! http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-/62573234 <cite>DpObliVion posted [p:1051300] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> Also curious about Romance of Three Kingdoms/Dynasty Warriors characters, who are based off of real people who weren't necessarily villains, but somewhat portrayed as villains. Dong Zhuo and Lu Bu are examples of people who definitely are portrayed as villains, while Cao Cao would be more ambiguous.Are we even allowing real people, or characters based off real people? Allowing real people could get ugly, I don't want people like Hitler in the contest, but maybe you do. It's a bit different with RoTK since it's based off real historical people, but they'd be pretty unknown without their likeness being used in the novel and video games. -- NEW YORK GIANTS: SUPER BOWL XLII/XLVI CHAMPIONS!Save My South Park Episode! http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-/62573234 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
crazyisgood 04/19/12 12:44:00 PM #25:	I will have a rule all nominations are final and after nominations are done will post a complete list and if you want to debate if someone qualifies than debate it and if the board is convinced they don't qualify than they don't as obviously I won't know everyone. -- Randomness 29 http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/260328 <cite>crazyisgood posted [p:1051301] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> I will have a rule all nominations are final and after nominations are done will post a complete list and if you want to debate if someone qualifies than debate it and if the board is convinced they don't qualify than they don't as obviously I won't know everyone. -- Randomness 29 http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/260328 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SuorGenoveffa 04/19/12 12:45:00 PM #26:	Yeah that's probably the best way to determine it. -- SuperNiceDog won the Guru contest super nicely! <cite>SuorGenoveffa posted [p:1051302] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> Yeah that's probably the best way to determine it. -- SuperNiceDog won the Guru contest super nicely! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DpObliVion 04/19/12 12:47:00 PM #27:	Just how villainy do they have to be? Someone like Eric Gordon in Billy Madison is certainly an antagonist, a rival, a terrible person who we would come to hate, but does he count as a villain? -- NEW YORK GIANTS: SUPER BOWL XLII/XLVI CHAMPIONS! Save My South Park Episode! http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-/62573234 <cite>DpObliVion posted [p:1051303] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> Just how villainy do they have to be? Someone like Eric Gordon in Billy Madison is certainly an antagonist, a rival, a terrible person who we would come to hate, but does he count as a villain? -- NEW YORK GIANTS: SUPER BOWL XLII/XLVI CHAMPIONS!Save My South Park Episode! http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-/62573234 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
crazyisgood 04/19/12 12:48:00 PM #28:	Where does Benjamin Linus fall? -- Randomness 29 http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/260328 <cite>crazyisgood posted [p:1051304] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> Where does Benjamin Linus fall? -- Randomness 29 http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/260328 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solfadore 04/19/12 12:52:00 PM #29:	From: DpObliVion \| #024 Also curious about Romance of Three Kingdoms/Dynasty Warriors characters, who are based off of real people who weren't necessarily villains, but somewhat portrayed as villains. Dong Zhuo and Lu Bu are examples of people who definitely are portrayed as villains, while Cao Cao would be more ambiguous. Are we even allowing real people, or characters based off real people? Allowing real people could get ugly, I don't want people like Hitler in the contest, but maybe you do. It's a bit different with RoTK since it's based off real historical people, but they'd be pretty unknown without their likeness being used in the novel and video games. Same rule as the villains turning hero, I guess? If their time as a fictional character is more memorable, let them in. Or if the fictional version clearly differs a lot from the historical version (aka Lincoln from Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter would be allowed in a save my hero contest). -- When you have nothing to say, quote yourself ~ Solfadore <cite>Solfadore posted [p:1051305] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> From: DpObliVion \| #024Also curious about Romance of Three Kingdoms/Dynasty Warriors characters, who are based off of real people who weren't necessarily villains, but somewhat portrayed as villains. Dong Zhuo and Lu Bu are examples of people who definitely are portrayed as villains, while Cao Cao would be more ambiguous.Are we even allowing real people, or characters based off real people? Allowing real people could get ugly, I don't want people like Hitler in the contest, but maybe you do. It's a bit different with RoTK since it's based off real historical people, but they'd be pretty unknown without their likeness being used in the novel and video games.Same rule as the villains turning hero, I guess? If their time as a fictional character is more memorable, let them in. Or if the fictional version clearly differs a lot from the historical version (aka Lincoln from Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter would be allowed in a save my hero contest). -- When you have nothing to say, quote yourself ~ Solfadore </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solfadore 04/19/12 12:58:00 PM #30:	From: DpObliVion \| #022 What about Walter White from Breaking Bad? He's certainly the protagonist, and I would certainly consider an adversary like Gus to be a villain, but I think a lot of people paint Walt as a bit of a villain too, because he gets mixed up in doing a lot of evil himself. That could be an important one for debating. From: DpObliVion \| #027 Just how villainy do they have to be? Someone like Eric Gordon in Billy Madison is certainly an antagonist, a rival, a terrible person who we would come to hate, but does he count as a villain? Here again, I would say it depends on the overall tone of the story. Breaking Bad's a story about drug dealers. So obviously, being a drug dealer doesn't make you a villain. Killing people, well... how does Walt fare compared to other people? Is he "eviller" than the other dealers? "Eviller" than most of the cast? Haven't watched BB, but I think it'd turn on these questions. Same again with Eric Gordon from Billy Madison. Now, I know nothing about the character, but if everyone in there is cool and sympathetic except from the terrible Eric, I would say he qualifies. Similarly, the horrible coach from the rival team in sports movies that puts a lot of pressure on the team's players and insults everyone repeatedly while being a douchebag all of the time would qualify as a villain, IMO. The exact same character put in, say. Breaking Bad would not. From: crazyisgood \| #028 Where does Benjamin Linus fall? Villain, I'd say. He turns good towards the end, but his time as a villain is more memorable to me (by the time he turns hero, he's no longer that important). -- When you have nothing to say, quote yourself ~ Solfadore <cite>Solfadore posted [p:1051306] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> From: DpObliVion \| #022What about Walter White from Breaking Bad? He's certainly the protagonist, and I would certainly consider an adversary like Gus to be a villain, but I think a lot of people paint Walt as a bit of a villain too, because he gets mixed up in doing a lot of evil himself. That could be an important one for debating.From: DpObliVion \| #027Just how villainy do they have to be? Someone like Eric Gordon in Billy Madison is certainly an antagonist, a rival, a terrible person who we would come to hate, but does he count as a villain?Here again, I would say it depends on the overall tone of the story. Breaking Bad's a story about drug dealers. So obviously, being a drug dealer doesn't make you a villain. Killing people, well... how does Walt fare compared to other people? Is he "eviller" than the other dealers? "Eviller" than most of the cast? Haven't watched BB, but I think it'd turn on these questions.Same again with Eric Gordon from Billy Madison. Now, I know nothing about the character, but if everyone in there is cool and sympathetic except from the terrible Eric, I would say he qualifies.Similarly, the horrible coach from the rival team in sports movies that puts a lot of pressure on the team's players and insults everyone repeatedly while being a douchebag all of the time would qualify as a villain, IMO. The exact same character put in, say. Breaking Bad would not.From: crazyisgood \| #028Where does Benjamin Linus fall?Villain, I'd say. He turns good towards the end, but his time as a villain is more memorable to me (by the time he turns hero, he's no longer that important). -- When you have nothing to say, quote yourself ~ Solfadore </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
profDEADPOOL 04/19/12 1:07:00 PM #31:	*crazyisgood posted...* Venom I don't think qualifies? White Queen definitely not anymore. Magneto Yes Sabretooth yes I would say that only Macgargan Venom is a clear cut villain. Flash Venom is most definitely not a villain while Eddie Brock Venom is debatable. I wouldn't say Eddie Brock Venom(from the comics) is a villain. Carnage on the other hand is def a villain. However Venom from Spectacular Spider-man is definitely a villain. I would agree with your opinions on the rest of the people you listed. Also Namor is not a villain. N from Pokemon Black/White is not but Ghetsis is. -- Official Mienshao of the pokemon B/W and BW2 clans Comic pull list: UXF, WatX, XML, Avengers Academy, Defenders, Secret Avengers, JLI, and Batwing <cite>profDEADPOOL posted [p:1051307] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> crazyisgood posted...Venom I don't think qualifies?White Queen definitely not anymore.Magneto YesSabretooth yesI would say that only Macgargan Venom is a clear cut villain. Flash Venom is most definitely not a villain while Eddie Brock Venom is debatable. I wouldn't say Eddie Brock Venom(from the comics) is a villain. Carnage on the other hand is def a villain. However Venom from Spectacular Spider-man is definitely a villain. I would agree with your opinions on the rest of the people you listed. Also Namor is not a villain. N from Pokemon Black/White is not but Ghetsis is. -- Official Mienshao of the pokemon B/W and BW2 clansComic pull list: UXF, WatX, XML, Avengers Academy, Defenders, Secret Avengers, JLI, and Batwing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tornadoman78 04/19/12 1:09:00 PM #32:	can i add the villian from my own series the evilone in to the contest -- i am the game you people are still just the players WINNER OF 1 V-TOKENa.nd Gold Trophy <cite>Tornadoman78 posted [p:1051308] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> can i add the villian from my own series the evilone in to the contest -- i am the game you people are still just the playersWINNER OF 1 V-TOKENa.nd Gold Trophy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
profDEADPOOL 04/19/12 1:09:00 PM #33:	also I don't think that the tone of the story should factor into someone being a villain. -- Official Mienshao of the pokemon B/W and BW2 clans Comic pull list: UXF, WatX, XML, Avengers Academy, Defenders, Secret Avengers, JLI, and Batwing <cite>profDEADPOOL posted [p:1051309] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> also I don't think that the tone of the story should factor into someone being a villain. -- Official Mienshao of the pokemon B/W and BW2 clansComic pull list: UXF, WatX, XML, Avengers Academy, Defenders, Secret Avengers, JLI, and Batwing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Psycho_Kenshin 04/19/12 1:16:00 PM #34:	*DpObliVion posted...* What about Walter White from Breaking Bad? He's certainly the protagonist, and I would certainly consider an adversary like Gus to be a villain, but I think a lot of people paint Walt as a bit of a villain too, because he gets mixed up in doing a lot of evil himself. That could be an important one for debating. He's morally corrupt in some ways and as we found he has done truly bad things, but he's not a villain. He's a very flawed, human, well antihero. A guy we typically root for who doesn't have the usual traits of a hero. Going down a self-destructive (and destructive to others) path. -- One Piece: Pirates with style! -= Metal Gear Solid: Tactical Espionage Action =- <cite>Psycho_Kenshin posted [p:1051310] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> DpObliVion posted...What about Walter White from Breaking Bad? He's certainly the protagonist, and I would certainly consider an adversary like Gus to be a villain, but I think a lot of people paint Walt as a bit of a villain too, because he gets mixed up in doing a lot of evil himself. That could be an important one for debating.He's morally corrupt in some ways and as we found he has done truly bad things, but he's not a villain. He's a very flawed, human, well antihero. A guy we typically root for who doesn't have the usual traits of a hero. Going down a self-destructive (and destructive to others) path. -- One Piece: Pirates with style!-= Metal Gear Solid: Tactical Espionage Action =- </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
malyg 04/19/12 2:07:00 PM #35:	If we're letting Walt in, there's a huge list of morally ambiguous characters like Walt who we may as well let into the contest. Lelouch, Cartman, Catman, Jaime Lannister and Omar Little for example. It kinda ruins the credibility of a villians contest if we have characters who are not villains, but who do villainous things if needed. I might not be saying the same thing after Season 5, but at the moment Walt should most definitely not be allowed into the list. -- if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it do the other trees laugh? <cite>malyg posted [p:1051311] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> If we're letting Walt in, there's a huge list of morally ambiguous characters like Walt who we may as well let into the contest. Lelouch, Cartman, Catman, Jaime Lannister and Omar Little for example. It kinda ruins the credibility of a villians contest if we have characters who are not villains, but who do villainous things if needed.I might not be saying the same thing after Season 5, but at the moment Walt should most definitely not be allowed into the list. -- if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it do the other trees laugh? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
crazyisgood 04/19/12 2:12:00 PM #36:	Current Def. edit if you want to make better A villain is a character who is an evil doer who has either spent more than half their time as a villain or is more memorable as a villain. They have to not just do bad things but be leaning on the evil side of things and on the real people/fictional I will allow real people in for fictional adaptions of them. and also some wrestlers will be allowed in as they are villains in the WWEverse -- Randomness 29 http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/260328 <cite>crazyisgood posted [p:1051312] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> Current Def. edit if you want to make betterA villain is a character who is an evil doer who has either spent more than half their time as a villain or is more memorable as a villain. They have to not just do bad things but be leaning on the evil side of thingsand on the real people/fictionalI will allow real people in for fictional adaptions of them. and also some wrestlers will be allowed in as they are villains in the WWEverse -- Randomness 29 http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/260328 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
crazyisgood 04/19/12 2:13:00 PM #37:	Everyone is a villain at one time or another. but that does not make them qualify as a villain, -- Randomness 29 http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/260328 <cite>crazyisgood posted [p:1051313] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> Everyone is a villain at one time or another. but that does not make them qualify as a villain, -- Randomness 29 http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/260328 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SuorGenoveffa 04/19/12 2:15:00 PM #38:	I think the definition is ok. -- SuperNiceDog won the Guru contest super nicely! <cite>SuorGenoveffa posted [p:1051314] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> I think the definition is ok. -- SuperNiceDog won the Guru contest super nicely! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solfadore 04/19/12 2:30:00 PM #39:	Sounds good. -- When you have nothing to say, quote yourself ~ Solfadore <cite>Solfadore posted [p:1051315] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> Sounds good. -- When you have nothing to say, quote yourself ~ Solfadore </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
profDEADPOOL 04/19/12 2:40:00 PM #40:	ok that sounds good crazy. With that definition I would say that Macgargan Venom most definately does count as does Venom from Spectacular Spider-man. However Eddie Brock Venom fron the comics would not. That reminds me to ask about how that works where there is different universe versions like Marvel does. How exactly would that work? I am espicially asking in regards to like cartoon vs comic vs movie. -- Official Mienshao of the pokemon B/W and BW2 clans Comic pull list: UXF, WatX, XML, Avengers Academy, Defenders, Secret Avengers, JLI, and Batwing <cite>profDEADPOOL posted [p:1051316] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> ok that sounds good crazy. With that definition I would say that Macgargan Venom most definately does count as does Venom from Spectacular Spider-man. However Eddie Brock Venom fron the comics would not. That reminds me to ask about how that works where there is different universe versions like Marvel does. How exactly would that work? I am espicially asking in regards to like cartoon vs comic vs movie. -- Official Mienshao of the pokemon B/W and BW2 clansComic pull list: UXF, WatX, XML, Avengers Academy, Defenders, Secret Avengers, JLI, and Batwing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
crazyisgood 04/19/12 3:28:00 PM #41:	I honestly don't know how to make it work except be specific of what media you are talking about. and I think Mac Gargon is best nommed if he is by his name. -- Randomness 29 http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/260328 <cite>crazyisgood posted [p:1051317] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> I honestly don't know how to make it work except be specific of what media you are talking about.and I think Mac Gargon is best nommed if he is by his name. -- Randomness 29 http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/260328 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
junk_funk 04/19/12 3:32:00 PM #42:	Venom is a villain. What the hell you all smokin on? -- Congrats to SuperNiceDog! Guru Champ! <cite>junk_funk posted [p:1051318] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> Venom is a villain. What the hell you all smokin on? -- Congrats to SuperNiceDog! Guru Champ! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoctorBIind 04/19/12 3:32:00 PM #43:	Is Light Yagami a villain <cite>DoctorBIind posted [p:1051319] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> Is Light Yagami a villain </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Psycho_Kenshin 04/19/12 3:36:00 PM #44:	Most memorably a villain, but that period was only about four or five years before his mini "Venom: Lethal Protector" in '93 where he was a straight up good guy. Though you could make a case for him being a villain, since I do think that's his most memorable period, it was relatively brief all things considered. Light Yagami is another interesting one. I think the answer on that would probably be 50/50, many saying he's a villain many saying he's an evil and unusual protagonist. Personally, I was rooting for him the whole time, but I like stories about messed up evil people. I know protagonist/antagonist isn't the same thing as hero/villain, but there are also plenty of stories that just focus on a character and tell it like it is, not taking sides. That story happens to focus on a guy who thinks killing lots of people (and anyone out to stop him) is the thing to do. -- One Piece: Pirates with style! -= Metal Gear Solid: Tactical Espionage Action =- <cite>Psycho_Kenshin posted [p:1051320] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> Most memorably a villain, but that period was only about four or five years before his mini "Venom: Lethal Protector" in '93 where he was a straight up good guy. Though you could make a case for him being a villain, since I do think that's his most memorable period, it was relatively brief all things considered.Light Yagami is another interesting one. I think the answer on that would probably be 50/50, many saying he's a villain many saying he's an evil and unusual protagonist. Personally, I was rooting for him the whole time, but I like stories about messed up evil people.I know protagonist/antagonist isn't the same thing as hero/villain, but there are also plenty of stories that just focus on a character and tell it like it is, not taking sides. That story happens to focus on a guy who thinks killing lots of people (and anyone out to stop him) is the thing to do. -- One Piece: Pirates with style!-= Metal Gear Solid: Tactical Espionage Action =- </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
junk_funk 04/19/12 3:36:00 PM #45:	*crazyisgood posted...* Current Def. edit if you want to make better A villain is a character who is an evil doer who has either spent more than half their time as a villain or is more memorable as a villain. They have to not just do bad things but be leaning on the evil side of things Venom was ranked as the 22nd Greatest Comic Book Villain of All Time in IGN's list of the top 100 comic villains. Every cartoon he's a villain. Every video game he's a villain. Every movie he's a villain. The majority of his comic appearances in total he's a villain. If that's not enough to make him over 50% villain than I don't know what is. -- Congrats to SuperNiceDog! Guru Champ! <cite>junk_funk posted [p:1051321] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> crazyisgood posted...Current Def. edit if you want to make betterA villain is a character who is an evil doer who has either spent more than half their time as a villain or is more memorable as a villain. They have to not just do bad things but be leaning on the evil side of thingsVenom was ranked as the 22nd Greatest Comic Book Villain of All Time in IGN's list of the top 100 comic villains. Every cartoon he's a villain. Every video game he's a villain. Every movie he's a villain. The majority of his comic appearances in total he's a villain.If that's not enough to make him over 50% villain than I don't know what is. -- Congrats to SuperNiceDog! Guru Champ! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
crazyisgood 04/19/12 3:37:00 PM #46:	Eddie Brock is labeled on wikipedia as an anti-hero -- Randomness 29 http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/260328 <cite>crazyisgood posted [p:1051322] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> Eddie Brock is labeled on wikipedia as an anti-hero -- Randomness 29 http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/260328 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Psycho_Kenshin 04/19/12 3:38:00 PM #47:	*junk_funk posted...* Venom was ranked as the 22nd Greatest Comic Book Villain of All Time in IGN's list of the top 100 comic villains. Every cartoon he's a villain. Every video game he's a villain. Every movie he's a villain. The majority of his comic appearances in total he's a villain. The last part isn't true, he's been a hero far more years than a villain. And if we're not just specifying Eddie Brock, a lot more so. Plus as for every movie, he's barely in one movie where he wasn't done justice. As for games and cartoons, those are usually simplified retellings of memorable (but overall not that long) villain period in the books. You could make a case for him being a villain more so, but it's not an open and shut case I'd say, ha in lawyer speak. -- One Piece: Pirates with style! -= Metal Gear Solid: Tactical Espionage Action =- <cite>Psycho_Kenshin posted [p:1051323] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> junk_funk posted...Venom was ranked as the 22nd Greatest Comic Book Villain of All Time in IGN's list of the top 100 comic villains. Every cartoon he's a villain. Every video game he's a villain. Every movie he's a villain. The majority of his comic appearances in total he's a villain.The last part isn't true, he's been a hero far more years than a villain. And if we're not just specifying Eddie Brock, a lot more so. Plus as for every movie, he's barely in one movie where he wasn't done justice. As for games and cartoons, those are usually simplified retellings of memorable (but overall not that long) villain period in the books.You could make a case for him being a villain more so, but it's not an open and shut case I'd say, ha in lawyer speak. -- One Piece: Pirates with style!-= Metal Gear Solid: Tactical Espionage Action =- </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GenesisSaga 04/19/12 3:38:00 PM #48:	Nominate Judge Claude Frollo! -- <3 Crimmy - http://img.imgcake.com/CrimsonOcean/GenDrak0001jpgyz.jpg Thanks Drak - http://img.imgcake.com/drakeryn/genesissagajpgat.jpg <cite>GenesisSaga posted [p:1051324] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> Nominate Judge Claude Frollo! -- <3 Crimmy - http://img.imgcake.com/CrimsonOcean/GenDrak0001jpgyz.jpg Thanks Drak - http://img.imgcake.com/drakeryn/genesissagajpgat.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
crazyisgood 04/19/12 3:38:00 PM #49:	If he is nominated and people want to debate it we will. -- Randomness 29 http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/260328 <cite>crazyisgood posted [p:1051325] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> If he is nominated and people want to debate it we will. -- Randomness 29 http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/260328 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Raka_Putra 04/19/12 3:43:00 PM #50:	What about Touhou characters like Kaguya or Eirin? -- Proud ValHellen x Maha_Bufudyne shipper. <cite>Raka_Putra posted [p:1051326] in Save my Vi... [t:62583884]...</cite> <quote> What about Touhou characters like Kaguya or Eirin? -- Proud ValHellen x Maha_Bufudyne shipper. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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