For those who don't know what Dangan Ronpa is, it's basically a Japanese-only game about 15 talented high school students (well 14 talented and the main character) who are trapped in a high school. They are stuck there with a homicidal teddy bear and the only way they can escape is to murder someone and have no one find out. It's a very good read and it's interesting.
orenroren finally returned from his vacation and...man, this is a pretty interesting murder.
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You could try to put it in an edited post! I always liked reading your deduction on the second murder, even though it kind of spoiled me on who the actual murderer is.
In this case, it really seems like we only have 3 suspects here, unless we have a reaaaaaally elaborate trap.
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SSBM_Guy posted... You could try to put it in an edited post! I always liked reading your deduction on the second murder, even though it kind of spoiled me on who the actual murderer is.
In this case, it really seems like we only have 3 suspects here, unless we have a reaaaaaally elaborate trap.
That sounds like a good idea. I can do that. But I'm gonna hold off on a few more updates for the "HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED:" post that I do every time, because I still need more evidence just to confirm something. Plus...well, there's one thing that's bothering me but I can't really say it else it will probably spoil something unless I'm wrong(and I never am).
Celes is far too obviously suspicious to be the culprit IMO.
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Oh by the way, about the forum Dangan game, I'm gonna be out of the country as soon as I'm done with my finals so I'm definitely not going to be able to run another game so soon. But I'll finish the "rulebook" for anybody who wants to run it before I go for sure.
I really hope it's not Celes, because if it is, she's acting way, way too suspiciously for what I expected of her. Well, clues did seem to point towards Togami last time around, so I'll wait a bit before making my mind.
-- When you have nothing to say, quote yourself ~ Solfadore
I'm a person that doesn't really attempt to try to figure out what's going on in story based things.
Doing this allows me to get the full impact of what the writers were trying to do, imo. If I want to solve something, then I'd play in an actual game (Such as the game Haguile made). Of course, I'm not saying solving the mysteries on your own is bad, it's just different from what I like to do when I'm reading something!
The whole thing just screams "planned out between Yamada and Celes" (not the killing part, obviously, but yeah). The whole story about the Justice Robot is just weird.
Thing is, that's just way too obvious, so it has to be something else.
-- When you have nothing to say, quote yourself ~ Solfadore
From: Solfadore | #018 The whole thing just screams "planned out between Yamada and Celes" (not the killing part, obviously, but yeah). The whole story about the Justice Robot is just weird.
Thing is, that's just way too obvious, so it has to be something else.
I agree. I am currently working under the theory that the picture was staged and that Celes used Yamada as a pawn. Whether she actually intended for him to die, and who actually did the killing I don't know, but I am pretty sure at least the first part of this story is a Celes plot.
Also like how she breaks her own rule that she's been adamantly drilling into our heads.
also noooo Yamada ;_;
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"As the size of an explosion increases, the number of social situations it is incapable of solving approaches zero." -Vaarsuvius, Order of the Stick
Ishimaru is almost certainly Justice Robo because, other than Hashida, I can't really imagine anyone else doing it. But not the murderer.
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I can't remember, did the recreation room have two doors? Because Celes is saying that she took a picture before she was spotted, but also said she was spotted while she was peeking out into the recreation room from outside. Now look at the angle of the photo - you can see the door in the background. If there's only one door, I smell a lie.
Also, yeah, Celes really led them on a wild goose chase. She was the only one who allegedly saw that robot (aside from Yamada): > When they were all on the first floor looking for them, she said she saw a shadow moving up to the 2nd floor. > When they were all upstairs, she said she cornered it, and THEN they heard Yamada scream. > She suggested the group split up. She went with Naegi and Asahina towards the infirmary.
If Fukawa, Togami and Oogawa don't find the robot, it's all but confirmed that she faked all of it.
Aside from that, the whole story just doesn't make any sense. > Yamada wakes up first, goes to the third floor looking for Alter Ego. Enters the recreation room. > Some time after, Celes wakes up; sees Justice Robo on the first floor going upstairs. Since she doesn't see Yamada, and since Yamada would have noticed a huge robot following him, we can assume that Yamada was already in the recreation room by that time. > Robo thus decides to go spontaneously to the Recreation room. > Celes peeks in, decides to take a picture for no ****ing reason. > Robo sees her, leaves Yamada aside and strikes her with a hammer. Yamada does nothing for some reason, even though he's not injured or anything. Meanwhile, Celes pleads for her life. Yamada still does nothing. > Robo decides to spare her life and moves towards the library with Yamada. Celes passes out for some reason, even though she was able to plead for her life quite convincingly a few seconds ago. > Robo moves back to the library and strikes Yamada for absolutely no reason, then goes away.
The whole thing is just incredibly suspicious. So I think it's pretty safe to assume that the whole thing started with a Celes plot. Whether that makes her a murderer (via trap X), an accomplice (via Robo X) or just someone whose devious plan has been hijacked by a third person, I do not know. I don't think she's the actual murderer though, as it would be far too messy, but I'll guess we'll have to wait and see.
-- When you have nothing to say, quote yourself ~ Solfadore
The angle of the picture confirms that she was lying. Yamada was also part of whatever ploy she was thinking of doing. The thing we still have to figure out, then, is what she was aiming to do.
-- When you have nothing to say, quote yourself ~ Solfadore
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"As the size of an explosion increases, the number of social situations it is incapable of solving approaches zero." -Vaarsuvius, Order of the Stick
Also, it's weird, but I'm starting to think Celes might be pulling the same gamble I attempted in the forum game (acting as an accomplice to gain an advantage, without taking any substantial risks). Obviously, there's no strike system there, and if the true culprit doesn't get executed, they all die - so the game's a bit different. I wouldn't put it past her, though. And it would make more sense than her incredibly scummy behaviour!
I don't think Kirigiri did it (for meta reasons: I don't see her dying before the endgame). Naegi obviously didn't do it. Syo is undoubtedly clear. Sakura seems pretty clean to me (and I don't see her killing or being killed by anyone other than Asahina). Which would leave:
> Hagakure > Togami > Asahina > Celes
If there's only one murderer, it *has* to be Celes. The whole thing ran like clockwork - the locations, the time of discovery, etc. Celes was the one who orchestrated the whole search for 'Justice Robo'. Her story about Yamada being abducted is all but confirmed to be fake. Besides: it's stupid to murder two people --> twice the risk for the same reward... unless the survivor would be able to expose you. Which would leave Celes as the only possibility, as she was the only character all but shown to be scheming with Yamada. [No one having any kind of connection with Ishimaru.]
If there are two murderers, I'm banking on Yamada having killed Ishimaru (or vice-versa, but I think the former is more likely), and Hagakure, Togami or Asahina having killed Yamada. Maybe. It would fit because for once, Celes seems genuinely surprised (or dismayed) that Yamada was killed. The reaction she had seems pretty genuine, although it is telling ("I couldn't have foreseen it" = "Derp, my whole plan is crumbling right now").
The only thing that bothers me is that hammer. Only someone in the Celes/Yamada conspiracy could have gotten their hands on one of these.
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The only person who has to be dead is ULTRAGOON because otherwise investigation phase wouldn't have started. He couldn't have moved the body though, and apparently Celes was in the washroom with Asahina the whole time. There has to have been an accomplice that wasn't Celes.
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From: Justin_Crossing | #044 The only person who has to be dead is ULTRAGOON because otherwise investigation phase wouldn't have started. He couldn't have moved the body though, and apparently Celes was in the washroom with Asahina the whole time. There has to have been an accomplice that wasn't Celes.
Who knows? What if both bodies were found at the same time? He could be alive if that happened.
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well now after being shocked and upset my favorite character is dead, I looked over a few things and I think l can figure out what happened to the bodies weeeee
...and after reading the SA thread someone else pointed it out woo
The goon in the SA thread who pointed out the wheel marks near Ishimaru's body has a keen eye (though I'm sure people ITT spotted it as well).
But yeah, the murder's pretty simple this time around. We know who came up with the plan, we know who made sure the body would be discovered at the right time by the right people, and we know who disposed of it. The only thing left is to figure out who among the two actually killed the victim, and who simply helped.
Any ideas?
-- When you have nothing to say, quote yourself ~ Solfadore
I'm not quite certain it's that cut and dry. I feel like there's probably been something already that hasn't gone according to plan, and I also feel like we're going to see another death.
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