Board 8 > All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 182: Sink Beneath Hate

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eaedwards6400 04/02/12 4:18:00 PM #51:	I don't really feel as if the win is tainted but why make John do something so out of character? -- Shining Force IV will rise! <cite>eaedwards6400 posted [p:979873] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> I don't really feel as if the win is tainted but why make John do something so out of character? -- Shining Force IV will rise! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 04/02/12 4:19:00 PM #52:	I think this can basically be summed up by saying that a sportsman's mentality is as important a part of success as his actual wrestling talent. So Cena showboating is his own stupid fault, a fatal flaw in his own mentality, which cost him. -- http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/small/0810/colonel-metal-gear-solid-snake-colonel-demotivational-poster-1223416269.jpg <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:979874] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> I think this can basically be summed up by saying that a sportsman's mentality is as important a part of success as his actual wrestling talent. So Cena showboating is his own stupid fault, a fatal flaw in his own mentality, which cost him. -- http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/small/0810/colonel-metal-gear-solid-snake-colonel-demotivational-poster-1223416269.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 04/02/12 4:19:00 PM #53:	Wait, people are arguing that this is out of John Cena's character? lol -- Xbox GT: PrivateBiscuit1 Down with Zhang. Let there be Biscuit! <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:979875] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> Wait, people are arguing that this is out of John Cena's character?lol -- Xbox GT: PrivateBiscuit1Down with Zhang. Let there be Biscuit! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 04/02/12 4:20:00 PM #54:	From: eaedwards6400 \| #051 I don't really feel as if the win is tainted but why make John do something so out of character? Eh, is it really so out of character? Cena mocking a downed Rock seemed pretty right to me. The little shrug he did was reminiscent of when he did the 5KS on Punk in Chicago. -- http://www.funnycorner.net/funny-pictures/4834/big-boss.jpg <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:979876] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> From: eaedwards6400 \| #051I don't really feel as if the win is tainted but why make John do something so out of character?Eh, is it really so out of character? Cena mocking a downed Rock seemed pretty right to me. The little shrug he did was reminiscent of when he did the 5KS on Punk in Chicago. -- http://www.funnycorner.net/funny-pictures/4834/big-boss.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 04/02/12 4:21:00 PM #55:	in a best of 7 series Warrior would win 2-0 after which Cena will retire from Wrestling forever after getting crushed so badly. -- Dr voltchball - best in the world. <cite>voltch posted [p:979877] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> in a best of 7 series Warrior would win 2-0 after which Cena will retire from Wrestling forever after getting crushed so badly. -- Dr voltchball - best in the world. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 04/02/12 4:21:00 PM #56:	From: eaedwards6400 \| #051 I don't really feel as if the win is tainted but why make John do something so out of character? It wasn't really out of character though. He never took "Dwayne" seriously because in his mind, unlike everyone else he's ever faced, "Dwayne" doesn't even care about being a wrestler. And a large portion of the match, which he dominated, validated his suspicions in his mind that "The Rock" is dead and "Dwayne" just sucks. So then he wants to humiliate the guy and send him packing back to Hollywood where he belongs, and WHAM. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/photo_large/public/photo/image/2012/04/WM28_Photo_255.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:979878] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> From: eaedwards6400 \| #051I don't really feel as if the win is tainted but why make John do something so out of character?It wasn't really out of character though. He never took "Dwayne" seriously because in his mind, unlike everyone else he's ever faced, "Dwayne" doesn't even care about being a wrestler. And a large portion of the match, which he dominated, validated his suspicions in his mind that "The Rock" is dead and "Dwayne" just sucks. So then he wants to humiliate the guy and send him packing back to Hollywood where he belongs, and WHAM. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/photo_large/public/photo/image/2012/04/WM28_Photo_255.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 04/02/12 4:22:00 PM #57:	Getting outside interference when they're directly related to you and influenced by you absolutely is an issue of wrestling talent I think. Or at least, wrestling talent in the sense that you're a credible threat to win at all times. Like in WCW you could say Hollywood Hogan was booked very weakly and all of his wins were tainted, but I think his strength was actually very high. He was the mastermind of an organization of thugs and they had enough coordination to consistently interfere properly to secure him the victory. Him being the mastermind is the key there. Austin in this case was one step above that, though, because unlike with Hogan you don't have the very real threat of the referee turning around and getting you DQed to sabotage your efforts to win. It's also technically "all by the book" which further helps legitimize it. For instance, if Austin vs Rock involved Triple H running to the ring and pedigreeing Rock, and then Austin stunning Triple H before he pedigreed Austin, that would be a tainted win to the point where you can't count it, even as a no DQ match. I consider Sheamus over Bryan to be tainted in the same sense, just for the record. Like I'm not trying to downplay Rock's win that much, I'm just saying I think a heel winning a no DQ match (no DQ is important) through situations he orchestrated is as legitimate as a John Cena showing an uncharacteristic moment of weakness and Rock capitalizing on it-- especially when it's pretty much all Cena's botch and not anything The Rock himself was like, setting up for ala Bret Hart vs Diesel small package victory. -- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:979879] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> Getting outside interference when they're directly related to you and influenced by you absolutely is an issue of wrestling talent I think. Or at least, wrestling talent in the sense that you're a credible threat to win at all times. Like in WCW you could say Hollywood Hogan was booked very weakly and all of his wins were tainted, but I think his strength was actually very high. He was the mastermind of an organization of thugs and they had enough coordination to consistently interfere properly to secure him the victory. Him being the mastermind is the key there. Austin in this case was one step above that, though, because unlike with Hogan you don't have the very real threat of the referee turning around and getting you DQed to sabotage your efforts to win. It's also technically "all by the book" which further helps legitimize it. For instance, if Austin vs Rock involved Triple H running to the ring and pedigreeing Rock, and then Austin stunning Triple H before he pedigreed Austin, that would be a tainted win to the point where you can't count it, even as a no DQ match. I consider Sheamus over Bryan to be tainted in the same sense, just for the record. Like I'm not trying to downplay Rock's win that much, I'm just saying I think a heel winning a no DQ match (no DQ is important) through situations he orchestrated is as legitimate as a John Cena showing an uncharacteristic moment of weakness and Rock capitalizing on it-- especially when it's pretty much all Cena's botch and not anything The Rock himself was like, setting up for ala Bret Hart vs Diesel small package victory. -- No problem!This is a cute and pop genocide of love! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 04/02/12 4:23:00 PM #58:	WCW Hogan lost a lot. I mean he lost to Luger! and Goldberg! and Piper! WCW Hogan in my mind is a total loser. -- Dr voltchball - best in the world. <cite>voltch posted [p:979880] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> WCW Hogan lost a lot.I mean he lost to Luger! and Goldberg! and Piper!WCW Hogan in my mind is a total loser. -- Dr voltchball - best in the world. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eaedwards6400 04/02/12 4:23:00 PM #59:	From: Jakyl25 \| #056 It wasn't really out of character though. He never took "Dwayne" seriously because in his mind, unlike everyone else he's ever faced, "Dwayne" doesn't even care about being a wrestler. And a large portion of the match, which he dominated, validated his suspicions in his mind that "The Rock" is dead and "Dwayne" just sucks. So then he wants to humiliate the guy and send him packing back to Hollywood where he belongs, and WHAM. As much sense as this makes I just didn't feel like this is something he would have done but more like something Rock would have done. Idk it may just be me. -- Shining Force IV will rise! <cite>eaedwards6400 posted [p:979881] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> From: Jakyl25 \| #056It wasn't really out of character though. He never took "Dwayne" seriously because in his mind, unlike everyone else he's ever faced, "Dwayne" doesn't even care about being a wrestler. And a large portion of the match, which he dominated, validated his suspicions in his mind that "The Rock" is dead and "Dwayne" just sucks. So then he wants to humiliate the guy and send him packing back to Hollywood where he belongs, and WHAM.As much sense as this makes I just didn't feel like this is something he would have done but more like something Rock would have done. Idk it may just be me. -- Shining Force IV will rise! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 04/02/12 4:23:00 PM #60:	Lopen, how would you categorize the Montreal Screwjob? Clean win by Shawn? <_< -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/photo_large/public/photo/image/2012/04/WM28_Photo_255.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:979882] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> Lopen, how would you categorize the Montreal Screwjob? Clean win by Shawn? <_< -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/photo_large/public/photo/image/2012/04/WM28_Photo_255.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 04/02/12 4:24:00 PM #61:	Bret screwed Bret so no unclean -- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:979883] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> Bret screwed Bret so no unclean -- No problem!This is a cute and pop genocide of love! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sonten1 04/02/12 4:25:00 PM #62:	*eaedwards6400 posted...* From: Jakyl25 \| #056 It wasn't really out of character though. He never took "Dwayne" seriously because in his mind, unlike everyone else he's ever faced, "Dwayne" doesn't even care about being a wrestler. And a large portion of the match, which he dominated, validated his suspicions in his mind that "The Rock" is dead and "Dwayne" just sucks. So then he wants to humiliate the guy and send him packing back to Hollywood where he belongs, and WHAM. As much sense as this makes I just didn't feel like this is something he would have done but more like something Rock would have done. Idk it may just be me. Cena had absolutely no respect for The Rock. It's totally something Cena would do to mock him. -- HBJ - occupymyheart ~Project 1000~ <cite>sonten1 posted [p:979884] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> eaedwards6400 posted...From: Jakyl25 \| #056It wasn't really out of character though. He never took "Dwayne" seriously because in his mind, unlike everyone else he's ever faced, "Dwayne" doesn't even care about being a wrestler. And a large portion of the match, which he dominated, validated his suspicions in his mind that "The Rock" is dead and "Dwayne" just sucks. So then he wants to humiliate the guy and send him packing back to Hollywood where he belongs, and WHAM.As much sense as this makes I just didn't feel like this is something he would have done but more like something Rock would have done. Idk it may just be me.Cena had absolutely no respect for The Rock. It's totally something Cena would do to mock him. -- HBJ - occupymyheart~Project 1000~ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 04/02/12 4:26:00 PM #63:	In all seriousness though there are a lot of reasons that is unclean moreso than a heel cheating via interference he orchestrated in a no DQ match -- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:979885] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> In all seriousness though there are a lot of reasons that is unclean moreso than a heel cheating via interference he orchestrated in a no DQ match -- No problem!This is a cute and pop genocide of love! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 04/02/12 4:26:00 PM #64:	From: eaedwards6400 \| #059 As much sense as this makes I just didn't feel like this is something he would have done but more like something Rock would have done. Idk it may just be me. This Rock isn't like old Rock! However, Cena tried to do something The Rock probably would've done, which led to his downfall. I'm sure Jerry Lawler would define that as "poetic". -- Xbox GT: PrivateBiscuit1 Down with Zhang. Let there be Biscuit! <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:979886] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> From: eaedwards6400 \| #059As much sense as this makes I just didn't feel like this is something he would have done but more like something Rock would have done. Idk it may just be me.This Rock isn't like old Rock!However, Cena tried to do something The Rock probably would've done, which led to his downfall. I'm sure Jerry Lawler would define that as "poetic". -- Xbox GT: PrivateBiscuit1Down with Zhang. Let there be Biscuit! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eaedwards6400 04/02/12 4:27:00 PM #65:	From: sonten1 \| #062 Cena had absolutely no respect for The Rock. It's totally something Cena would do to mock him. I think Lopen said it best... From: Lopen \| #057 (it is uncharacteristic for John to showboat during matches, even if he took Rock lightly) -- Shining Force IV will rise! <cite>eaedwards6400 posted [p:979887] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> From: sonten1 \| #062Cena had absolutely no respect for The Rock. It's totally something Cena would do to mock him.I think Lopen said it best...From: Lopen \| #057(it is uncharacteristic for John to showboat during matches, even if he took Rock lightly) -- Shining Force IV will rise! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 04/02/12 4:27:00 PM #66:	Who is the most Clutch wrestler out there? Rock when everything is on the line is kinda 50-50. -- Dr voltchball - best in the world. <cite>voltch posted [p:979888] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> Who is the most Clutch wrestler out there?Rock when everything is on the line is kinda 50-50. -- Dr voltchball - best in the world. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eaedwards6400 04/02/12 4:28:00 PM #67:	From: PrivateBiscuit1 \| #064 This Rock isn't like old Rock! Are you sure? Cause Rock did mock the you can't see me. -- Shining Force IV will rise! <cite>eaedwards6400 posted [p:979889] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> From: PrivateBiscuit1 \| #064This Rock isn't like old Rock!Are you sure? Cause Rock did mock the you can't see me. -- Shining Force IV will rise! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 04/02/12 4:28:00 PM #68:	Also, are people arguing John Cena never showboats during matches? Maybe people aren't remembering Cena after all! -- Xbox GT: PrivateBiscuit1 Down with Zhang. Let there be Biscuit! <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:979890] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> Also, are people arguing John Cena never showboats during matches? Maybe people aren't remembering Cena after all! -- Xbox GT: PrivateBiscuit1Down with Zhang. Let there be Biscuit! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sonten1 04/02/12 4:29:00 PM #69:	And he got an AA for his trouble. Cena didn't learn from ROCK's mistake almost costing him the match, and ended up eating a Rock Bottom because of it. Stick to what you're good at! -- HBJ - occupymyheart ~Project 1000~ <cite>sonten1 posted [p:979891] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> And he got an AA for his trouble.Cena didn't learn from ROCK's mistake almost costing him the match, and ended up eating a Rock Bottom because of it. Stick to what you're good at! -- HBJ - occupymyheart~Project 1000~ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 04/02/12 4:30:00 PM #70:	People talk as if Rock doesn't showboat >_> -- Dr voltchball - best in the world. <cite>voltch posted [p:979892] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> People talk as if Rock doesn't showboat >_> -- Dr voltchball - best in the world. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 04/02/12 4:31:00 PM #71:	Yeah Cena mocks his opponents all the time but come match time he's mostly business. Basically it comes down to for me as far as credibility goes: "Could The Rock have planned for Cena to make that mistake?" I say no. Some Rock fans might argue yes because Cena disrespected him so much but uh... I think those are tinted glasses to be honest. Cena mocks a ton of opponents but he never throws the match like that-- that's just an out of character thing to do. Now I'm not saying it's inconsistent because sure, the reason that makes sense is Rock put him on that much of a tilt-- but was that Rock's strategy all along or was it just Rock being Rock and he just lucked into rubbing Cena the wrong way that much. I'm inclined to say the latter, which taints the win imhhho. (there's a difference between signature taunts during matches and not going for the pin) -- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:979893] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> Yeah Cena mocks his opponents all the time but come match time he's mostly business. Basically it comes down to for me as far as credibility goes:"Could The Rock have planned for Cena to make that mistake?"I say no. Some Rock fans might argue yes because Cena disrespected him so much but uh... I think those are tinted glasses to be honest. Cena mocks a ton of opponents but he never throws the match like that-- that's just an out of character thing to do. Now I'm not saying it's inconsistent because sure, the reason that makes sense is Rock put him on that much of a tilt-- but was that Rock's strategy all along or was it just Rock being Rock and he just lucked into rubbing Cena the wrong way that much. I'm inclined to say the latter, which taints the win imhhho. (there's a difference between signature taunts during matches and not going for the pin) -- No problem!This is a cute and pop genocide of love! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 04/02/12 4:33:00 PM #72:	Even I can't come up with a plotline contrived enough to say that this was some master plan by The Rock that went entirely right just to win one match <_< -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/photo_large/public/photo/image/2012/04/WM28_Photo_255.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:979894] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> Even I can't come up with a plotline contrived enough to say that this was some master plan by The Rock that went entirely right just to win one match <_< -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/photo_large/public/photo/image/2012/04/WM28_Photo_255.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 04/02/12 4:34:00 PM #73:	Rock is totally not a guy who plans stuff. He's not Sting bad, but cmon. -- Dr voltchball - best in the world. <cite>voltch posted [p:979895] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> Rock is totally not a guy who plans stuff.He's not Sting bad, but cmon. -- Dr voltchball - best in the world. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 04/02/12 4:36:00 PM #74:	Justin Gabriel @Justin__Gabriel Just had X-rays and MRI on elbow. Good news : no surgery needed. Bad news: out for 6 weeks. http://pic.twitter.com/TPKfSeF2 Ewwwwwww gross -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/photo_large/public/photo/image/2012/04/WM28_Photo_255.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:979896] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> Justin Gabriel @Justin__GabrielJust had X-rays and MRI on elbow. Good news : no surgery needed. Bad news: out for 6 weeks. http://pic.twitter.com/TPKfSeF2Ewwwwwww gross -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/photo_large/public/photo/image/2012/04/WM28_Photo_255.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 04/02/12 4:39:00 PM #75:	So yeah I guess that's a more concise way of what I was trying to say before. To me a win is tainted if one of the following occurs: They break the rules of the match They capitalize on a fluke event they did not plan for and orchestrate themselves So that's why to me Austin beating Rock at X7 is more legitimate than Rock beating Cena last night. Not trying to convince you my way of thinking is "right" but now at least maybe you get what I'm getting at. -- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:979897] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> So yeah I guess that's a more concise way of what I was trying to say before.To me a win is tainted if one of the following occurs:They break the rules of the matchThey capitalize on a fluke event they did not plan for and orchestrate themselvesSo that's why to me Austin beating Rock at X7 is more legitimate than Rock beating Cena last night. Not trying to convince you my way of thinking is "right" but now at least maybe you get what I'm getting at. -- No problem!This is a cute and pop genocide of love! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 04/02/12 4:40:00 PM #76:	Heels win because they are often smarter or at least more manipulative than the faces outside of the ring, so they can orchestrate events in their favour, like you said. That's fine, I accept that, but that is done specifically to make up for the gap in pure wrestling ability (which incorporates competitive mentality and such as well, like I said). So like Del Rio is quite clearly an inferior wrestler to John Cena and CM Punk, but he has Ricardo and his devious ways to close the gap. But that's the thing - in kayfabe, wrestling should be purely and totally about who is the better man in the ring on whatever given night. That's how it should be at its most basic level. That's why bringing in outside crap is so frowned upon and generally booed by the fans - because it's not what the wrestling "should be about". So you're right that Hogan did a great job of manipulating his underlings to keep him winning matches, but that's not actually him as a wrestler being any good, that's him as a person doing manipulative things to win matches. Which makes him a great and effective heel, but not a great competitor. Essentially, manipulating affairs backstage isn't anything to do with actual fighting or wrestling. It can help you win matches but it doesn't make you better at it. Showboating? That is part of your competitive makeup. It helps define you as a competitor and is, in this case, a flaw of Cena's. Rock wasted time when he was laying the smackdown on Cena - he did the "you can't see me" taunt before delivering the final punch, which Cena blocked and countered into an AA. Had Cena won there and then would you have called Cena's win "tainted"? -- 2011 WWYD Champion I do things for money and games. <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:979898] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> Heels win because they are often smarter or at least more manipulative than the faces outside of the ring, so they can orchestrate events in their favour, like you said. That's fine, I accept that, but that is done specifically to make up for the gap in pure wrestling ability (which incorporates competitive mentality and such as well, like I said). So like Del Rio is quite clearly an inferior wrestler to John Cena and CM Punk, but he has Ricardo and his devious ways to close the gap. But that's the thing - in kayfabe, wrestling should be purely and totally about who is the better man in the ring on whatever given night. That's how it should be at its most basic level. That's why bringing in outside crap is so frowned upon and generally booed by the fans - because it's not what the wrestling "should be about".So you're right that Hogan did a great job of manipulating his underlings to keep him winning matches, but that's not actually him as a wrestler being any good, that's him as a person doing manipulative things to win matches. Which makes him a great and effective heel, but not a great competitor. Essentially, manipulating affairs backstage isn't anything to do with actual fighting or wrestling. It can help you win matches but it doesn't make you better at it. Showboating? That is part of your competitive makeup. It helps define you as a competitor and is, in this case, a flaw of Cena's.Rock wasted time when he was laying the smackdown on Cena - he did the "you can't see me" taunt before delivering the final punch, which Cena blocked and countered into an AA. Had Cena won there and then would you have called Cena's win "tainted"? -- 2011 WWYD ChampionI do things for money and games. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 04/02/12 4:42:00 PM #77:	From: Jakyl25 \| #074 Justin Gabriel @Justin__Gabriel Just had X-rays and MRI on elbow. Good news : no surgery needed. Bad news: out for 6 weeks. http://pic.twitter.com/TPKfSeF2 Ewwwwwww gross Nuuu J-Gabe -- "I am the best in the world at everything I do, and I don't have to write it on the back of a T-Shirt to prove it, because I AM it." - Chris Jericho <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:979899] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> From: Jakyl25 \| #074Justin Gabriel @Justin__GabrielJust had X-rays and MRI on elbow. Good news : no surgery needed. Bad news: out for 6 weeks. http://pic.twitter.com/TPKfSeF2Ewwwwwww grossNuuu J-Gabe -- "I am the best in the world at everything I do, and I don't have to write it on the back of a T-Shirt to prove it, because I AM it." - Chris Jericho </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 04/02/12 4:42:00 PM #78:	And Cena showboats in literally every match he is in. Or do you think he NEEDS to lean over his opponent and say "you can't see me"? -- "I am the best in the world at everything I do, and I don't have to write it on the back of a T-Shirt to prove it, because I AM it." - Chris Jericho <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:979900] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> And Cena showboats in literally every match he is in. Or do you think he NEEDS to lean over his opponent and say "you can't see me"? -- "I am the best in the world at everything I do, and I don't have to write it on the back of a T-Shirt to prove it, because I AM it." - Chris Jericho </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sir Cobain 04/02/12 4:43:00 PM #79:	voltch \| Posted 4/2/2012 7:27:47 PM \| message detail \| quote Who is the most Clutch wrestler out there? iron sheik he put you in the camel clutch break your **ing back make you humble -- i consider myself a very positive influence on the youths of my community http://sonicgenerationart.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/slider15.jpg <cite>Sir Cobain posted [p:979901] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> voltch \| Posted 4/2/2012 7:27:47 PM \| message detail \| quoteWho is the most Clutch wrestler out there?iron sheikhe put you in the camel clutch break your **ing back make you humble -- i consider myself a very positive influence on the youths of my communityhttp://sonicgenerationart.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/slider15.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 04/02/12 4:44:00 PM #80:	Clearly teaming with Tyson Kidd is a curse. David Hart Smith got fired. Lucky Cannon got fired. #whereistrent And now this. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/photo_large/public/photo/image/2012/04/WM28_Photo_255.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:979902] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> Clearly teaming with Tyson Kidd is a curse.David Hart Smith got fired.Lucky Cannon got fired.#whereistrentAnd now this. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/photo_large/public/photo/image/2012/04/WM28_Photo_255.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 04/02/12 4:46:00 PM #81:	From: Sir Cobain \| #079 voltch \| Posted 4/2/2012 7:27:47 PM \| message detail \| quote Who is the most Clutch wrestler out there? iron sheik he put you in the camel clutch break your **ing back make you humble All Sheik will do is pop a boner and then job to the Cobra Clutch. SGT SLAUGHTER>SHEIK BAYBEE -- Dr voltchball - best in the world. <cite>voltch posted [p:979903] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> From: Sir Cobain \| #079voltch \| Posted 4/2/2012 7:27:47 PM \| message detail \| quoteWho is the most Clutch wrestler out there?iron sheikhe put you in the camel clutch break your **ing back make you humbleAll Sheik will do is pop a boner and then job to the Cobra Clutch.SGT SLAUGHTER>SHEIK BAYBEE -- Dr voltchball - best in the world. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 04/02/12 4:46:00 PM #82:	Planning and manipulating is a legitimate skill in pro wrestling, especially when you do it in such a way that you're not actually cheating. And I would've called Rock's win tainted over Cena if he had him beat and did an uncharacteristic taunt at that moment instead of his usual. And as I already said a brief signature taunt is not showboating, so even assuming Rock had ever pinned someone off laying the smackdown, that wouldn't be tainted because it's brief and something he always does. Something Cena could plan for. To put it a different way, I wouldn't have called the win tainted if Rock kipped up during Cena's 5MOD after the "you can't see me" taunt and Rock Bottomed him for the pin. -- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:979904] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> Planning and manipulating is a legitimate skill in pro wrestling, especially when you do it in such a way that you're not actually cheating. And I would've called Rock's win tainted over Cena if he had him beat and did an uncharacteristic taunt at that moment instead of his usual. And as I already said a brief signature taunt is not showboating, so even assuming Rock had ever pinned someone off laying the smackdown, that wouldn't be tainted because it's brief and something he always does. Something Cena could plan for.To put it a different way, I wouldn't have called the win tainted if Rock kipped up during Cena's 5MOD after the "you can't see me" taunt and Rock Bottomed him for the pin. -- No problem!This is a cute and pop genocide of love! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CM_Rock 04/02/12 4:47:00 PM #83:	*XIII_rocks posted...* And Cena showboats in literally every match he is in. Or do you think he NEEDS to lean over his opponent and say "you can't see me"? Back up here a second. Let's not forget that The Rock has a move that literally requires more theatrics than anything in the history of wrestling. -- CM Rock ~ Best in the World. <cite>CM_Rock posted [p:979905] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> XIII_rocks posted...And Cena showboats in literally every match he is in. Or do you think he NEEDS to lean over his opponent and say "you can't see me"?Back up here a second.Let's not forget that The Rock has a move that literally requires more theatrics than anything in the history of wrestling. -- CM Rock ~ Best in the World. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 04/02/12 4:47:00 PM #84:	http://www.wwe.com/shows/wrestlemania/28/whats-next-for-john-cena-after-wrestlemania -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/photo_large/public/photo/image/2012/04/WM28_Photo_255.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:979906] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> http://www.wwe.com/shows/wrestlemania/28/whats-next-for-john-cena-after-wrestlemania -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/photo_large/public/photo/image/2012/04/WM28_Photo_255.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 04/02/12 4:48:00 PM #85:	Alright I got one, who are the better planners. the North Americans or the Japanese wrestlers? -- Dr voltchball - best in the world. <cite>voltch posted [p:979907] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> Alright I got one, who are the better planners.the North Americans or the Japanese wrestlers? -- Dr voltchball - best in the world. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 04/02/12 4:49:00 PM #86:	Let's not forget that The Rock has a move that literally requires more theatrics than anything in the history of wrestling. The Worm? -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:979908] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> Let's not forget that The Rock has a move that literally requires more theatrics than anything in the history of wrestling.The Worm? -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 04/02/12 4:49:00 PM #87:	From: Lopen \| #071 Yeah Cena mocks his opponents all the time but come match time he's mostly business. Basically it comes down to for me as far as credibility goes: "Could The Rock have planned for Cena to make that mistake?" I say no. Some Rock fans might argue yes because Cena disrespected him so much but uh... I think those are tinted glasses to be honest. Cena mocks a ton of opponents but he never throws the match like that-- that's just an out of character thing to do. Now I'm not saying it's inconsistent because sure, the reason that makes sense is Rock put him on that much of a tilt-- but was that Rock's strategy all along or was it just Rock being Rock and he just lucked into rubbing Cena the wrong way that much. I'm inclined to say the latter, which taints the win imhhho. (there's a difference between signature taunts during matches and not going for the pin) Rock had JUST kicked out. Another pin would have been fruitless. Cena needed something else, maybe a PE, maybe another AA, who knows. But yeah I'm not necessarily saying Rock was just playing possum, waiting for Cena to hit the people's elbow - though it would give a kayfabe explanation for why he subtly moved his body to the perfect position for it - but it's just as likely as "Cena absolutely had the match won at that point". And again, if Cena cannot put his emotions aside and cannot resist the temptation to mock The Rock during literally "the biggest match of all time", that is a flaw in John Cena as a competitor. It's basically getting "too emotionally involved" which is kind of commonly accepted as a bad thing. It's not The Rock being good in that case, but it's definitely Cena being bad, which comes to the same thing. -- "The great fallacy is that the game is first and foremost about winning. It's nothing of the kind. The game is about glory." - Danny Blanchflower <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:979909] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> From: Lopen \| #071Yeah Cena mocks his opponents all the time but come match time he's mostly business. Basically it comes down to for me as far as credibility goes:"Could The Rock have planned for Cena to make that mistake?"I say no. Some Rock fans might argue yes because Cena disrespected him so much but uh... I think those are tinted glasses to be honest. Cena mocks a ton of opponents but he never throws the match like that-- that's just an out of character thing to do. Now I'm not saying it's inconsistent because sure, the reason that makes sense is Rock put him on that much of a tilt-- but was that Rock's strategy all along or was it just Rock being Rock and he just lucked into rubbing Cena the wrong way that much. I'm inclined to say the latter, which taints the win imhhho. (there's a difference between signature taunts during matches and not going for the pin)Rock had JUST kicked out. Another pin would have been fruitless. Cena needed something else, maybe a PE, maybe another AA, who knows. But yeah I'm not necessarily saying Rock was just playing possum, waiting for Cena to hit the people's elbow - though it would give a kayfabe explanation for why he subtly moved his body to the perfect position for it - but it's just as likely as "Cena absolutely had the match won at that point". And again, if Cena cannot put his emotions aside and cannot resist the temptation to mock The Rock during literally "the biggest match of all time", that is a flaw in John Cena as a competitor. It's basically getting "too emotionally involved" which is kind of commonly accepted as a bad thing. It's not The Rock being good in that case, but it's definitely Cena being bad, which comes to the same thing. -- "The great fallacy is that the game is first and foremost about winning. It's nothing of the kind. The game is about glory." - Danny Blanchflower </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 04/02/12 4:50:00 PM #88:	From: SmartMuffin \| #086 Let's not forget that The Rock has a move that literally requires more theatrics than anything in the history of wrestling. The Worm? Sweet Chin Music? -- Dr voltchball - best in the world. <cite>voltch posted [p:979910] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> From: SmartMuffin \| #086Let's not forget that The Rock has a move that literally requires more theatrics than anything in the history of wrestling.The Worm?Sweet Chin Music? -- Dr voltchball - best in the world. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 04/02/12 4:50:00 PM #89:	From: CM_Rock \| #083 Back up here a second. Let's not forget that The Rock has a move that literally requires more theatrics than anything in the history of wrestling. I'm not saying ROCK doesn't showboat! Just that Cena also does. -- http://img.imgcake.com/Nevest356/1dollagifas.gif <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:979911] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> From: CM_Rock \| #083Back up here a second.Let's not forget that The Rock has a move that literally requires more theatrics than anything in the history of wrestling.I'm not saying ROCK doesn't showboat! Just that Cena also does. -- http://img.imgcake.com/Nevest356/1dollagifas.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CM_Rock 04/02/12 4:51:00 PM #90:	*Lopen posted...* Planning and manipulating is a legitimate skill in pro wrestling, especially when you do it in such a way that you're not actually cheating. And I would've called Rock's win tainted over Cena if he had him beat and did an uncharacteristic taunt at that moment instead of his usual. And as I already said a brief signature taunt is not showboating, so even assuming Rock had ever pinned someone off laying the smackdown, that wouldn't be tainted because it's brief and something he always does. Something Cena could plan for. To put it a different way, I wouldn't have called the win tainted if Rock kipped up during Cena's 5MOD after the "you can't see me" taunt and Rock Bottomed him for the pin. Let's point out another Cena example: MitB. Huge for Cena. He needs this win both to keep the title in the WWE and to keep his job. Yet, during a key moment of the match, he stops, looks at the crowd. shrugs, and goes to the "You can't see me." He gets kicked in his head for his showboating. That's just as much showboating as what he did against The Rock. More-so because MitB meant a lot more for his future than this match did (he even says that after the WM Main Event he'll still be here and still be wrestling every single night). -- CM Rock ~ Best in the World. <cite>CM_Rock posted [p:979912] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> Lopen posted...Planning and manipulating is a legitimate skill in pro wrestling, especially when you do it in such a way that you're not actually cheating. And I would've called Rock's win tainted over Cena if he had him beat and did an uncharacteristic taunt at that moment instead of his usual. And as I already said a brief signature taunt is not showboating, so even assuming Rock had ever pinned someone off laying the smackdown, that wouldn't be tainted because it's brief and something he always does. Something Cena could plan for.To put it a different way, I wouldn't have called the win tainted if Rock kipped up during Cena's 5MOD after the "you can't see me" taunt and Rock Bottomed him for the pin.Let's point out another Cena example:MitB.Huge for Cena. He needs this win both to keep the title in the WWE and to keep his job.Yet, during a key moment of the match, he stops, looks at the crowd. shrugs, and goes to the "You can't see me." He gets kicked in his head for his showboating.That's just as much showboating as what he did against The Rock. More-so because MitB meant a lot more for his future than this match did (he even says that after the WM Main Event he'll still be here and still be wrestling every single night). -- CM Rock ~ Best in the World. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 04/02/12 4:51:00 PM #91:	Doing someone ELSE'S showboaty move is always tempting fate, and Cena clearly should have known better. Hell, you can even hear JERRY LAWLER basically say something like "wait a second John, this is a bad idea..." as he starts to do it... -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:979913] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> Doing someone ELSE'S showboaty move is always tempting fate, and Cena clearly should have known better. Hell, you can even hear JERRY LAWLER basically say something like "wait a second John, this is a bad idea..." as he starts to do it... -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 04/02/12 4:52:00 PM #92:	They're both asses to their opponents. Rock beat Austin, therefore he's stronger than Cena's face this is why he won. Also homefield advantage, yeah Homefield advantage in wrestling matters as much as home ice but when you got two asses going at each other the ass with the home turf has the advantage. -- Dr voltchball - best in the world. <cite>voltch posted [p:979914] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> They're both asses to their opponents.Rock beat Austin, therefore he's stronger than Cena's face this is why he won.Also homefield advantage, yeah Homefield advantage in wrestling matters as much as home ice but when you got two asses going at each other the ass with the home turf has the advantage. -- Dr voltchball - best in the world. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 04/02/12 4:53:00 PM #93:	Where would Cena even HAVE homefield advantage? India? -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/photo_large/public/photo/image/2012/04/WM28_Photo_255.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:979915] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> Where would Cena even HAVE homefield advantage? India? -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/photo_large/public/photo/image/2012/04/WM28_Photo_255.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 04/02/12 4:54:00 PM #94:	From: Jakyl25 \| #093 Where would Cena even HAVE homefield advantage? India? LA crowds are usually pretty marky and pro-Cena aren't they? -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:979916] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> From: Jakyl25 \| #093Where would Cena even HAVE homefield advantage? India?LA crowds are usually pretty marky and pro-Cena aren't they? -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 04/02/12 4:54:00 PM #95:	In Cenation, of course -- Boko United - Geriatric Titanium Mustache Guru Taken Miraculously by SuperNiceDog <cite>GTM posted [p:979917] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> In Cenation, of course -- Boko United - Geriatric Titanium MustacheGuru Taken Miraculously by SuperNiceDog </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MartinFF7 04/02/12 4:54:00 PM #96:	Cena needs to get pinned tonight... preferably by Kane, who can bring up the whole "You didn't give in to hate & you lost, lol" Here's hoping! -- I'll see you in Hell! (From Heaven!) <cite>MartinFF7 posted [p:979918] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> Cena needs to get pinned tonight... preferably by Kane, who can bring up the whole "You didn't give in to hate & you lost, lol"Here's hoping! -- I'll see you in Hell! (From Heaven!) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 04/02/12 4:54:00 PM #97:	From: Lopen \| #082 Planning and manipulating is a legitimate skill in pro wrestling, especially when you do it in such a way that you're not actually cheating. And I would've called Rock's win tainted over Cena if he had him beat and did an uncharacteristic taunt at that moment instead of his usual. And as I already said a brief signature taunt is not showboating, so even assuming Rock had ever pinned someone off laying the smackdown, that wouldn't be tainted because it's brief and something he always does. Something Cena could plan for. To put it a different way, I wouldn't have called the win tainted if Rock kipped up during Cena's 5MOD after the "you can't see me" taunt and Rock Bottomed him for the pin. But then why are you differentiating the two? Because one of them is normal from Cena and one of them is more context-sensitive? But what makes the 5KS not showboating? Why does a 5KS not leave a taint on the victory? You say a brief signature taunt "isn't showboating" but why exactly isn't it? -- http://i.imgur.com/LjoWT.png <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:979919] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> From: Lopen \| #082Planning and manipulating is a legitimate skill in pro wrestling, especially when you do it in such a way that you're not actually cheating. And I would've called Rock's win tainted over Cena if he had him beat and did an uncharacteristic taunt at that moment instead of his usual. And as I already said a brief signature taunt is not showboating, so even assuming Rock had ever pinned someone off laying the smackdown, that wouldn't be tainted because it's brief and something he always does. Something Cena could plan for.To put it a different way, I wouldn't have called the win tainted if Rock kipped up during Cena's 5MOD after the "you can't see me" taunt and Rock Bottomed him for the pin.But then why are you differentiating the two? Because one of them is normal from Cena and one of them is more context-sensitive? But what makes the 5KS not showboating? Why does a 5KS not leave a taint on the victory? You say a brief signature taunt "isn't showboating" but why exactly isn't it? -- http://i.imgur.com/LjoWT.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 04/02/12 4:54:00 PM #98:	From: CM_Rock \| #090 Yet, during a key moment of the match, he stops, looks at the crowd. shrugs, and goes to the "You can't see me." He gets kicked in his head for his showboating. 1. Cena didn't have Punk beat 2. That's a standard issue Cena taunt moment that Punk could have planned for Seriously I mean, you can disagree with me if you want but... really. I don't see why you can't, or choose not to, distinguish between "trademark midmatch taunting" and "taunting when you could make the pin right then and win the match which Cena has never done" -- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:979920] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> From: CM_Rock \| #090Yet, during a key moment of the match, he stops, looks at the crowd. shrugs, and goes to the "You can't see me." He gets kicked in his head for his showboating.1. Cena didn't have Punk beat2. That's a standard issue Cena taunt moment that Punk could have planned forSeriously I mean, you can disagree with me if you want but... really. I don't see why you can't, or choose not to, distinguish between "trademark midmatch taunting" and "taunting when you could make the pin right then and win the match which Cena has never done" -- No problem!This is a cute and pop genocide of love! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 04/02/12 4:54:00 PM #99:	From: SmartMuffin \| #091 Doing someone ELSE'S showboaty move is always tempting fate, and Cena clearly should have known better. Hell, you can even hear JERRY LAWLER basically say something like "wait a second John, this is a bad idea..." as he starts to do it... He said "this is great" >_> -- http://img.imgcake.com/AlecTrevylan006/xiiioneshieldpngys.png <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:979921] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> From: SmartMuffin \| #091Doing someone ELSE'S showboaty move is always tempting fate, and Cena clearly should have known better. Hell, you can even hear JERRY LAWLER basically say something like "wait a second John, this is a bad idea..." as he starts to do it...He said "this is great" >_> -- http://img.imgcake.com/AlecTrevylan006/xiiioneshieldpngys.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 04/02/12 4:55:00 PM #100:	From: Jakyl25 \| #093 Where would Cena even HAVE homefield advantage? India? In a kindergarten -- Dr voltchball - best in the world. <cite>voltch posted [p:979922] in All-Purpos... [t:62431505]...</cite> <quote> From: Jakyl25 \| #093Where would Cena even HAVE homefield advantage? India?In a kindergarten -- Dr voltchball - best in the world. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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