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HeroDelTiempo17 03/29/12 10:25:00 PM #101:	From: TheRock1525 \| #097 Yeah, that doesn't fly with me FFD. And it shouldn't! Because it's bad writing. Even if you don't use Indoctrination Theory, Shepard is still told that TIM's ideas would work and says "Oh yeah, seems legit." -- http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gif http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:965118] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> From: TheRock1525 \| #097Yeah, that doesn't fly with me FFD.And it shouldn't!Because it's bad writing.Even if you don't use Indoctrination Theory, Shepard is still told that TIM's ideas would work and says "Oh yeah, seems legit." -- http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gifhttp://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 03/29/12 10:26:00 PM #102:	*ShadowHalo17 posted...* Okay so since I have not really been paying attention, who here hates the ending, who here likes it, and who here doesn't give a f*? So far from what I've gathered: Who hates it: Halo Who likes it: Rock Who doesn't give a f: RayDyn? I never said I liked it. One of the first things I said it was not good. I said it was acceptable what I got. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man.* "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:965119] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> ShadowHalo17 posted...Okay so since I have not really been paying attention, who here hates the ending, who here likes it, and who here doesn't give a f*?So far from what I've gathered:Who hates it:HaloWho likes it:RockWho doesn't give a f*:RayDyn?I never said I liked it.One of the first things I said it was not good. I said it was acceptable what I got. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 03/29/12 10:27:00 PM #103:	In similar news, I can't get over the fact that StarChild's voice is both DudeShep and FemShep at the same time. But yeah I just checked the line, it's: Huh, so the Illusive Man was right after all. Shepard always knew that TIM was looking out for humanity's best interests, even if his methods were Nazi-esque. I don't see why that's such a big problem. If you give the Collector Base to him, it's even more logical that Shep would hop onto the bandwagon when shown 'the light' from StarChild. Especially when he goes on to tell Shep that yeah, TIM had the right idea but the wrong execution of it. -- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE] http://img.imgcake.com/finegifdy.gif <cite>FFDragon posted [p:965120] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> In similar news, I can't get over the fact that StarChild's voice is both DudeShep and FemShep at the same time.But yeah I just checked the line, it's: Huh, so the Illusive Man was right after all.Shepard always knew that TIM was looking out for humanity's best interests, even if his methods were Nazi-esque. I don't see why that's such a big problem. If you give the Collector Base to him, it's even more logical that Shep would hop onto the bandwagon when shown 'the light' from StarChild. Especially when he goes on to tell Shep that yeah, TIM had the right idea but the wrong execution of it. -- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE]http://img.imgcake.com/finegifdy.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 03/29/12 10:29:00 PM #104:	I didn't give the Collector Base to TIM. I never believed TIM had humanity's best interests in mind, either. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:965121] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> I didn't give the Collector Base to TIM.I never believed TIM had humanity's best interests in mind, either. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 03/29/12 10:29:00 PM #105:	*TheRock1525 posted...* Especially since it doesn't counter what I said: why would Shepard choose the option his greatest enemy would choose? Doesn't matter if the TIM was right controlling the Reapers was possible, the fact that a despicable human being wants to do that, whereas the image of his heroic father figure is shown destroying the Reapers, why would Shepard think twice about picking the destroy option? I don't see the disconnect. Regardless of what theory you believe in, Shepard openly admits to agreeing that TIM was right. Indoctrinated or real life, Shepard admits this plain as day. StarChild goes on to tell him that TIM had the right idea, wrong execution, and that Shepard could execute it in a way that would make things right. There's absolutely no reason for him to scorn it in the way you think he should. -- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE] http://img.imgcake.com/finegifdy.gif <cite>FFDragon posted [p:965122] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> TheRock1525 posted...Especially since it doesn't counter what I said: why would Shepard choose the option his greatest enemy would choose? Doesn't matter if the TIM was right controlling the Reapers was possible, the fact that a despicable human being wants to do that, whereas the image of his heroic father figure is shown destroying the Reapers, why would Shepard think twice about picking the destroy option?I don't see the disconnect. Regardless of what theory you believe in, Shepard openly admits to agreeing that TIM was right. Indoctrinated or real life, Shepard admits this plain as day. StarChild goes on to tell him that TIM had the right idea, wrong execution, and that Shepard could execute it in a way that would make things right.There's absolutely no reason for him to scorn it in the way you think he should. -- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE]http://img.imgcake.com/finegifdy.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShadowHalo17 03/29/12 10:30:00 PM #106:	From: TheRock1525 \| #102 I never said I liked it. One of the first things I said it was not good. I said it was acceptable what I got. And you've been defending the crap out of it too. So you might as well just admit you like the ending >_> But fine, I'll change it. Who hates the ending: Halo (believes in the indoctrination theory) Who doesn't hate the ending: Rock (doesn't believe in the indoctrination theory) WHO ELSE? -- ~Halo Now you learn the mistake of challenging me. http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/2734/hieis.jpg <cite>ShadowHalo17 posted [p:965123] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> From: TheRock1525 \| #102I never said I liked it.One of the first things I said it was not good. I said it was acceptable what I got.And you've been defending the crap out of it too. So you might as well just admit you like the ending >_>But fine, I'll change it.Who hates the ending:Halo (believes in the indoctrination theory)Who doesn't hate the ending:Rock (doesn't believe in the indoctrination theory)WHO ELSE? -- ~Halo Now you learn the mistake of challenging me.http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/2734/hieis.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 03/29/12 10:30:00 PM #107:	Oh what exactly happens if you give TIM the Collector Base? I thought it was weird that not once in the game could you agree with the Illusive Man's plan to control Reapers, but it shows up at the end as one of the choices. But I blew up the base. Does that change anything? <_< Not that I think it really would affect much.... -- http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gif http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:965124] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> Oh what exactly happens if you give TIM the Collector Base?I thought it was weird that not once in the game could you agree with the Illusive Man's plan to control Reapers, but it shows up at the end as one of the choices. But I blew up the base. Does that change anything? <_<Not that I think it really would affect much.... -- http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gifhttp://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 03/29/12 10:30:00 PM #108:	*TheRock1525 posted...* I never believed TIM had humanity's best interests in mind, either. Shepard did. And this isn't even one of those things you can shrug off as 'Well, MY Shepard didn't!' because every Shepard says TIM was right. I will agree that that is poor writing, but that is what everyone got. -- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE] http://img.imgcake.com/finegifdy.gif <cite>FFDragon posted [p:965125] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> TheRock1525 posted...I never believed TIM had humanity's best interests in mind, either.Shepard did. And this isn't even one of those things you can shrug off as 'Well, MY Shepard didn't!' because every Shepard says TIM was right. I will agree that that is poor writing, but that is what everyone got. -- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE]http://img.imgcake.com/finegifdy.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 03/29/12 10:31:00 PM #109:	I like the ending IFF indoctrination is the correct theory. -- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE] http://img.imgcake.com/finegifdy.gif <cite>FFDragon posted [p:965126] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> I like the ending IFF indoctrination is the correct theory. -- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE]http://img.imgcake.com/finegifdy.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShadowHalo17 03/29/12 10:32:00 PM #110:	Why the HELL is Paragon Shepard flip-flopping around here? Gerrel blows up the ship so when I return, he's like "I did right thing, yes?" and Paragon Shepard agrees while Renegade Shepard tells him to f* off. But then talking to Joker, he asks if Shep's okay with the quarians blowing up the ship with him on it. Paragon Shep says no, Renegade Shep says eh whatever. I'M SO CONFUSED. -- ~Halo Everybody run! http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/6195/furriese.jpg <cite>ShadowHalo17 posted [p:965127] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> Why the HELL is Paragon Shepard flip-flopping around here? Gerrel blows up the ship so when I return, he's like "I did right thing, yes?" and Paragon Shepard agrees while Renegade Shepard tells him to f* off.But then talking to Joker, he asks if Shep's okay with the quarians blowing up the ship with him on it. Paragon Shep says no, Renegade Shep says eh whatever.I'M SO CONFUSED. -- ~Halo Everybody run!http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/6195/furriese.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 03/29/12 10:32:00 PM #111:	Agreeing that TIM was right about controlling the Reapers isn't the issue. It's the issue of using a man you, at the very least, think less of than Anderson to represent that choice. If you want to convince someone to go a certain route, why would you use the lesser of two options. To use my personal experiences: if my mom told me to do one thing and my dad told me to do something different, my experiences with both would lead me to choose my dad's route, especially when its something I don't fully comprehend the consequences of. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:965128] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> Agreeing that TIM was right about controlling the Reapers isn't the issue.It's the issue of using a man you, at the very least, think less of than Anderson to represent that choice. If you want to convince someone to go a certain route, why would you use the lesser of two options. To use my personal experiences: if my mom told me to do one thing and my dad told me to do something different, my experiences with both would lead me to choose my dad's route, especially when its something I don't fully comprehend the consequences of. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShadowHalo17 03/29/12 10:33:00 PM #112:	From: FFDragon \| #109 I like the ending IF indoctrination is the correct theory. So you hate the ending. But much like me it's a lot more bearable, and actually kind of good, if Shepard is indeed indoctrinated. -- *~Halo* Give into the Night. http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/ShadowHalo/haloshadow1.gif <cite>ShadowHalo17 posted [p:965129] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> From: FFDragon \| #109I like the ending IF indoctrination is the correct theory.So you hate the ending. But much like me it's a lot more bearable, and actually kind of good, if Shepard is indeed indoctrinated. -- ~Halo Give into the Night.http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/ShadowHalo/haloshadow1.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 03/29/12 10:34:00 PM #113:	And you've been defending the crap out of it too. So you might as well just admit you like the ending >_> I'm defending my position on the ending. That doesn't mean I have to like it. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:965130] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> And you've been defending the crap out of it too. So you might as well just admit you like the ending >_>I'm defending my position on the ending. That doesn't mean I have to like it. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ArPharazon412 03/29/12 10:34:00 PM #114:	Not really. That way it's a complete non-resolution of the story. -- We're all stories in the end. <cite>ArPharazon412 posted [p:965131] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> Not really. That way it's a complete non-resolution of the story. -- We're all stories in the end. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 03/29/12 10:35:00 PM #115:	You removed an F, why would you do that? IFF is a real thing, it means 'if and only if' -- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE] http://img.imgcake.com/finegifdy.gif <cite>FFDragon posted [p:965132] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> You removed an F, why would you do that? IFF is a real thing, it means 'if and only if' -- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE]http://img.imgcake.com/finegifdy.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 03/29/12 10:35:00 PM #116:	*FFDragon posted...* TheRock1525 posted... I never believed TIM had humanity's best interests in mind, either. Shepard did. And this isn't even one of those things you can shrug off as 'Well, MY Shepard didn't!' because every Shepard says TIM was right. I will agree that that is poor writing, but that is what everyone got. Shepard says TIM was right about being able to control the Reapers. Shepard never says controlling the Reapers was the best thing for humanity, whereas TIM said it was. These are two completely different things. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:965133] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> FFDragon posted...TheRock1525 posted...I never believed TIM had humanity's best interests in mind, either.Shepard did. And this isn't even one of those things you can shrug off as 'Well, MY Shepard didn't!' because every Shepard says TIM was right. I will agree that that is poor writing, but that is what everyone got.Shepard says TIM was right about being able to control the Reapers.Shepard never says controlling the Reapers was the best thing for humanity, whereas TIM said it was.These are two completely different things. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 03/29/12 10:38:00 PM #117:	StarChild also says that Destroying the Reapers will only buy you time, whereas Controlling them would be permanent. I still don't quite understand the point you're trying to make, I think. -- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE] http://img.imgcake.com/finegifdy.gif <cite>FFDragon posted [p:965134] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> StarChild also says that Destroying the Reapers will only buy you time, whereas Controlling them would be permanent. I still don't quite understand the point you're trying to make, I think. -- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE]http://img.imgcake.com/finegifdy.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
futuresuperstar 03/29/12 10:38:00 PM #118:	I like the Indoctrination Theory, but I certainly don't actually think Bioware intended for it. I think the endings were underwhelming and could have been better done. -- Women come and go, but Metal Gear is forever. Perfect Odds A Cappella ~ http://i43.tinypic.com/34pdhc7.jpg <cite>futuresuperstar posted [p:965135] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> I like the Indoctrination Theory, but I certainly don't actually think Bioware intended for it. I think the endings were underwhelming and could have been better done. -- Women come and go, but Metal Gear is forever.Perfect Odds A Cappella ~ http://i43.tinypic.com/34pdhc7.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShadowHalo17 03/29/12 10:38:00 PM #119:	From: ArPharazon412 \| #114 Not really. That way it's a complete non-resolution of the story. Much rather have a non-resolution than a resolution that s*s on absolutely everything and makes no sense. -- ~Halo Live, fight, survive, as a family. http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7469/batfamily.jpg <cite>ShadowHalo17 posted [p:965136] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> From: ArPharazon412 \| #114Not really. That way it's a complete non-resolution of the story.Much rather have a non-resolution than a resolution that s*s on absolutely everything and makes no sense. -- ~Halo Live, fight, survive, as a family.http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7469/batfamily.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ArPharazon412 03/29/12 10:41:00 PM #120:	I'd rather have the ending where the conflict is resolved. -- We're all stories in the end. <cite>ArPharazon412 posted [p:965137] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> I'd rather have the ending where the conflict is resolved. -- We're all stories in the end. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 03/29/12 10:41:00 PM #121:	*FFDragon posted...* StarChild also says that Destroying the Reapers will only buy you time, whereas Controlling them would be permanent. I still don't quite understand the point you're trying to make, I think. The points quite clear: Destroying the Reapers is represented by the Heroic Admiral Anderson, your surrogate father figure. Controlling the Reapers is represented by the evil Illusive Man who spent most of the game torturing, kidnapping, and committing a great number of atrocities towards the universe. It'd be like seeing two buttons. One button is surrounded by fluffy kittens. The other button is surrounded by electrified barbed wire. Who in the blue hell would pick option number two in either example? If the Reapers are trying to "trick" you into a certain option, why make the option they want LESS appealing. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:965138] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> FFDragon posted...StarChild also says that Destroying the Reapers will only buy you time, whereas Controlling them would be permanent. I still don't quite understand the point you're trying to make, I think.The points quite clear:Destroying the Reapers is represented by the Heroic Admiral Anderson, your surrogate father figure.Controlling the Reapers is represented by the evil Illusive Man who spent most of the game torturing, kidnapping, and committing a great number of atrocities towards the universe.It'd be like seeing two buttons.One button is surrounded by fluffy kittens.The other button is surrounded by electrified barbed wire.Who in the blue hell would pick option number two in either example? If the Reapers are trying to "trick" you into a certain option, why make the option they want LESS appealing. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
theawesomestevr 03/29/12 10:42:00 PM #122:	From: TheRock1525 \| #111 Agreeing that TIM was right about controlling the Reapers isn't the issue. It's the issue of using a man you, at the very least, think less of than Anderson to represent that choice. If you want to convince someone to go a certain route, why would you use the lesser of two options. To use my personal experiences: if my mom told me to do one thing and my dad told me to do something different, my experiences with both would lead me to choose my dad's route, especially when its something I don't fully comprehend the consequences of. Sorry to jump in out of nowhere, but isn't it logical that you'd immediately know something was up if someone you knew well and trusted started acting completely out of character suggesting a path of action you know there's no way they'd ever agree with? I'm not at all saying that the Indoctrination interpretation is accurate, but I don't see that part of it as necessarily a problem. <cite>theawesomestevr posted [p:965139] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> From: TheRock1525 \| #111Agreeing that TIM was right about controlling the Reapers isn't the issue.It's the issue of using a man you, at the very least, think less of than Anderson to represent that choice. If you want to convince someone to go a certain route, why would you use the lesser of two options. To use my personal experiences: if my mom told me to do one thing and my dad told me to do something different, my experiences with both would lead me to choose my dad's route, especially when its something I don't fully comprehend the consequences of.Sorry to jump in out of nowhere, but isn't it logical that you'd immediately know something was up if someone you knew well and trusted started acting completely out of character suggesting a path of action you know there's no way they'd ever agree with? I'm not at all saying that the Indoctrination interpretation is accurate, but I don't see that part of it as necessarily a problem. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheLastObelisk 03/29/12 10:43:00 PM #123:	I brought this up in a previous topic but I don't think anyone answered it. One of my coworkers thinks that Stargazer could be Shepard. What do you guys think? <cite>TheLastObelisk posted [p:965140] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> I brought this up in a previous topic but I don't think anyone answered it. One of my coworkers thinks that Stargazer could be Shepard. What do you guys think? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShadowHalo17 03/29/12 10:44:00 PM #124:	From: ArPharazon412 \| #120 I'd rather have the ending where the conflict is resolved. That isn't an option though! -- *~Halo* You're not the brightest. http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/907/bandfinisher.jpg <cite>ShadowHalo17 posted [p:965141] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> From: ArPharazon412 \| #120I'd rather have the ending where the conflict is resolved.That isn't an option though! -- ~Halo You're not the brightest.http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/907/bandfinisher.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RayDyn 03/29/12 10:44:00 PM #125:	From: ShadowHalo17 \| Posted: 3/30/2012 1:23:26 AM \| #098 Who doesn't give a f*: RayDyn? Yep, I will qualify this with the fact that I do believe the ending is ill conceived and poorly implemented. Also, I won't give BioWare enough credit to allow for the Indoc Theory. -- My Backloggery (Work in progress, still adding games) http://backloggery.com/sgtsphynx <cite>RayDyn posted [p:965142] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> From: ShadowHalo17 \| Posted: 3/30/2012 1:23:26 AM \| #098Who doesn't give a f*:RayDyn?Yep, I will qualify this with the fact that I do believe the ending is ill conceived and poorly implemented. Also, I won't give BioWare enough credit to allow for the Indoc Theory. -- My Backloggery (Work in progress, still adding games)http://backloggery.com/sgtsphynx </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 03/29/12 10:45:00 PM #126:	Control is also the Paragon option and Destroy is the Renegade, so in your scenario it's showing barbwire wrapping around a kitten and a kitten wrapping itself in barbed wire. They are both supposed to have equal pros and cons, there is nothing incongruent there. -- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE] http://img.imgcake.com/finegifdy.gif <cite>FFDragon posted [p:965143] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> Control is also the Paragon option and Destroy is the Renegade, so in your scenario it's showing barbwire wrapping around a kitten and a kitten wrapping itself in barbed wire. They are both supposed to have equal pros and cons, there is nothing incongruent there. -- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE]http://img.imgcake.com/finegifdy.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShadowHalo17 03/29/12 10:46:00 PM #127:	From: RayDyn \| #121 Yep I'm almost in the same category because I'm really not interested in whatever discussion they have going on right now. But I still hate the ending. However I do think the indoctrination theory makes it better. -- *~Halo* There is no Crane, only Scarecrow! http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/3739/scarecrowq.jpg <cite>ShadowHalo17 posted [p:965144] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> From: RayDyn \| #121YepI'm almost in the same category because I'm really not interested in whatever discussion they have going on right now. But I still hate the ending. However I do think the indoctrination theory makes it better. -- ~Halo There is no Crane, only Scarecrow!http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/3739/scarecrowq.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 03/29/12 10:47:00 PM #128:	From: TheLastObelisk \| #124 I brought this up in a previous topic but I don't think anyone answered it. One of my coworkers thinks that Stargazer could be Shepard. What do you guys think? Sure, could be anyone. I personally choose to believe it's Buzz Aldin reincarnated as someone who sucks at voice over narration. -- You have no time to ponder such questions, as Link has just grabbed a Smash Ball. http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:965145] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> From: TheLastObelisk \| #124I brought this up in a previous topic but I don't think anyone answered it. One of my coworkers thinks that Stargazer could be Shepard. What do you guys think?Sure, could be anyone. I personally choose to believe it's Buzz Aldin reincarnated as someone who sucks at voice over narration. -- You have no time to ponder such questions, as Link has just grabbed a Smash Ball.http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
theawesomestevr 03/29/12 10:47:00 PM #129:	From: TheLastObelisk \| #124 I brought this up in a previous topic but I don't think anyone answered it. One of my coworkers thinks that Stargazer could be Shepard. What do you guys think? Doesn't he exist in all endings, even the ones in which Shepard dies? <cite>theawesomestevr posted [p:965146] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> From: TheLastObelisk \| #124I brought this up in a previous topic but I don't think anyone answered it. One of my coworkers thinks that Stargazer could be Shepard. What do you guys think?Doesn't he exist in all endings, even the ones in which Shepard dies? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 03/29/12 10:48:00 PM #130:	You're assigning equal value to the colors as the appearance of two characters that elicit completely different reactions? Sorry to jump in out of nowhere, but isn't it logical that you'd immediately know something was up if someone you knew well and trusted started acting completely out of character suggesting a path of action you know there's no way they'd ever agree with? I'm not at all saying that the Indoctrination interpretation is accurate, but I don't see that part of it as necessarily a problem. But the problem is how exactly is the Reaper trying to trick Shepard? "Gee, I should trust TIM simply because he was right and ignore all the awful stuff he's done up until this point." Like I said, either Reaper Indoctrination is pitiful because they literally present you with a situation where resisting is hilariously easy, or it's played out literally. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:965147] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> You're assigning equal value to the colors as the appearance of two characters that elicit completely different reactions?Sorry to jump in out of nowhere, but isn't it logical that you'd immediately know something was up if someone you knew well and trusted started acting completely out of character suggesting a path of action you know there's no way they'd ever agree with? I'm not at all saying that the Indoctrination interpretation is accurate, but I don't see that part of it as necessarily a problem.But the problem is how exactly is the Reaper trying to trick Shepard? "Gee, I should trust TIM simply because he was right and ignore all the awful stuff he's done up until this point." Like I said, either Reaper Indoctrination is pitiful because they literally present you with a situation where resisting is hilariously easy, or it's played out literally. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
theawesomestevr 03/29/12 10:49:00 PM #131:	Also, Shepard would never use the words "my" and "sweet" in conjunction with each other. I refuse to believe that. <cite>theawesomestevr posted [p:965148] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> Also, Shepard would never use the words "my" and "sweet" in conjunction with each other. I refuse to believe that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RayDyn 03/29/12 10:50:00 PM #132:	Ultimately, I lean towards not liking the ending, but, to be cliche, it's the ending we got, not the ending we deserved, and I still feel like the Indoc Theory is fans grasping at straws trying to make sense of bad writing. -- ~=B8's Resident Ninja-Pirate. Please insert liquor=~ http://www.futurama-madhouse.com.ar/fanart/kenneth/bender_auron.jpg <cite>RayDyn posted [p:965149] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> Ultimately, I lean towards not liking the ending, but, to be cliche, it's the ending we got, not the ending we deserved, and I still feel like the Indoc Theory is fans grasping at straws trying to make sense of bad writing. -- ~=B8's Resident Ninja-Pirate. Please insert liquor=~http://www.futurama-madhouse.com.ar/fanart/kenneth/bender_auron.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 03/29/12 10:50:00 PM #133:	*TheRock1525 posted...* You're assigning equal value to the colors as the appearance of two characters that elicit completely different reactions? This was most undoubtedly the point, yes. Regardless of theory. -- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE] http://img.imgcake.com/finegifdy.gif <cite>FFDragon posted [p:965150] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> TheRock1525 posted...You're assigning equal value to the colors as the appearance of two characters that elicit completely different reactions?This was most undoubtedly the point, yes. Regardless of theory. -- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE]http://img.imgcake.com/finegifdy.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RayDyn 03/29/12 10:54:00 PM #134:	From: TheRock1525 \| Posted: 3/30/2012 1:48:47 AM \| #130 You're assigning equal value to the colors as the appearance of two characters that elicit completely different reactions? I want to add my two cents here... If, and it's a big damn "if", people are right, and Indoc Theory is what BioWare was going for, I feel this would be BioWare trying to play on the Indoc of the player as Shepard, making it "gameplay affecting storytelling." -- Still a badass. http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5861/raydyn2.png <cite>RayDyn posted [p:965151] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> From: TheRock1525 \| Posted: 3/30/2012 1:48:47 AM \| #130You're assigning equal value to the colors as the appearance of two characters that elicit completely different reactions?I want to add my two cents here...If, and it's a big damn "if", people are right, and Indoc Theory is what BioWare was going for, I feel this would be BioWare trying to play on the Indoc of the player as Shepard, making it "gameplay affecting storytelling." -- Still a badass.http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5861/raydyn2.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 03/29/12 10:56:00 PM #135:	*TheRock1525 posted...* "Gee, I should trust TIM simply because he was right and ignore all the awful stuff he's done up until this point." Time for some Godwin's law up in this ***. The Nazi's performed atrocities in the war, but advanced medical knowledge immensely through it. The Nazi's were undoubtedly wrong in their methods, but the knowledge gained from them was put to good use otherwise and at least some sense of good was obtained from the suffering. TIM was undoubtedly wrong in his methods, but if Shepard could put the knowledge gained to good use you just want him to cut off the nose to spite the face? -- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE] http://img.imgcake.com/finegifdy.gif <cite>FFDragon posted [p:965152] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> TheRock1525 posted..."Gee, I should trust TIM simply because he was right and ignore all the awful stuff he's done up until this point."Time for some Godwin's law up in this ***. The Nazi's performed atrocities in the war, but advanced medical knowledge immensely through it. The Nazi's were undoubtedly wrong in their methods, but the knowledge gained from them was put to good use otherwise and at least some sense of good was obtained from the suffering. TIM was undoubtedly wrong in his methods, but if Shepard could put the knowledge gained to good use you just want him to cut off the nose to spite the face? -- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE]http://img.imgcake.com/finegifdy.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 03/29/12 10:56:00 PM #136:	See, I can't assign more value to the color of the choices when one of the choices is Satan and the other is your father. I don't care how blue Satan is, I'm not picking his option. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:965153] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> See, I can't assign more value to the color of the choices when one of the choices is Satan and the other is your father.I don't care how blue Satan is, I'm not picking his option. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 03/29/12 10:58:00 PM #137:	From: TheRock1525 \| #136 See, I can't assign more value to the color of the choices when one of the choices is Satan and the other is your father. I don't care how blue Satan is, I'm not picking his option. Either way, the color choices Bioware used when making the game made it clear that they considered TIM's choice to be the Paragon option. There's not much debating that. The Blue-Neutral-Red motif is used constantly. <_< -- http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gif http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:965154] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> From: TheRock1525 \| #136See, I can't assign more value to the color of the choices when one of the choices is Satan and the other is your father.I don't care how blue Satan is, I'm not picking his option.Either way, the color choices Bioware used when making the game made it clear that they considered TIM's choice to be the Paragon option. There's not much debating that. The Blue-Neutral-Red motif is used constantly. <_< -- http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gifhttp://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShadowHalo17 03/29/12 10:58:00 PM #138:	From: RayDyn \| #132 Ultimately, I lean towards not liking the ending, but, to be cliche, it's the ending we got, not the ending we deserved, and I still feel like the Indoc Theory is fans grasping at straws trying to make sense of bad writing. I agree with you. But it just makes so much damn sense that it's hard to deny. -- ~Halo Rolling around at the speed of sound. http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/2417/sonicspeed.jpg <cite>ShadowHalo17 posted [p:965155] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> From: RayDyn \| #132Ultimately, I lean towards not liking the ending, but, to be cliche, it's the ending we got, not the ending we deserved, and I still feel like the Indoc Theory is fans grasping at straws trying to make sense of bad writing.I agree with you. But it just makes so much damn sense that it's hard to deny. -- ~Halo Rolling around at the speed of sound.http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/2417/sonicspeed.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 03/29/12 10:59:00 PM #139:	This is just a fundamental difference of viewpoints then. Even after StarChild has explained that TIM was right in theory, but not execution, if all you can see is still TIM then that's all you are going to see ever. I saw it as the ideal of both prospects, the pinnacle of what each represents. -- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE] http://img.imgcake.com/finegifdy.gif <cite>FFDragon posted [p:965156] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> This is just a fundamental difference of viewpoints then. Even after StarChild has explained that TIM was right in theory, but not execution, if all you can see is still TIM then that's all you are going to see ever. I saw it as the ideal of both prospects, the pinnacle of what each represents. -- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE]http://img.imgcake.com/finegifdy.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 03/29/12 11:00:00 PM #140:	Time for some Godwin's law up in this ****. The Nazi's performed atrocities in the war, but advanced medical knowledge immensely through it. The Nazi's were undoubtedly wrong in their methods, but the knowledge gained from them was put to good use otherwise and at least some sense of good was obtained from the suffering. TIM was undoubtedly wrong in his methods, but if Shepard could put the knowledge gained to good use you just want him to cut off the nose to spite the face? Is this a personal question or a question towards my Shepard? Cause my Shepard destroyed Maelon's data. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man.* "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:965157] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> Time for some Godwin's law up in this *****. The Nazi's performed atrocities in the war, but advanced medical knowledge immensely through it. The Nazi's were undoubtedly wrong in their methods, but the knowledge gained from them was put to good use otherwise and at least some sense of good was obtained from the suffering. TIM was undoubtedly wrong in his methods, but if Shepard could put the knowledge gained to good use you just want him to cut off the nose to spite the face?Is this a personal question or a question towards my Shepard? Cause my Shepard destroyed Maelon's data. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RayDyn 03/29/12 11:02:00 PM #141:	From: TheRock1525 \| Posted: 3/30/2012 1:56:48 AM \| #136 See, I can't assign more value to the color of the choices when one of the choices is Satan and the other is your father. I don't care how blue Satan is, I'm not picking his option. I am completely with you on this, but take it as a social experiment. Three games where the player is trained over 90+ hours, and that's just this series, that blue=good and red=evil, and see what the players do when you swap the colors around. -- RayDyn's baby: http://img.imgcake.com/SgtSphynx/img0261rba.jpg http://img.imgcake.com/SgtSphynx/ubabalayheeeejpgzypy.jpg <cite>RayDyn posted [p:965158] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> From: TheRock1525 \| Posted: 3/30/2012 1:56:48 AM \| #136See, I can't assign more value to the color of the choices when one of the choices is Satan and the other is your father.I don't care how blue Satan is, I'm not picking his option.I am completely with you on this, but take it as a social experiment. Three games where the player is trained over 90+ hours, and that's just this series, that blue=good and red=evil, and see what the players do when you swap the colors around. -- RayDyn's baby: http://img.imgcake.com/SgtSphynx/img0261rba.jpghttp://img.imgcake.com/SgtSphynx/ubabalayheeeejpgzypy.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 03/29/12 11:02:00 PM #142:	From: RayDyn \| #141 I am completely with you on this, but take it as a social experiment. Three games where the player is trained over 90+ hours, and that's just this series, that blue=good and red=evil, and see what they do when you swap the colors around. What, so the "red" choice is actually Paragon and the "blue" choice is actually Renegade? That would be interesting were it not for the fact that under that logic, the Paragon choice is the only one that involves literal genocide. <_< -- http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gif http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:965159] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> From: RayDyn \| #141I am completely with you on this, but take it as a social experiment. Three games where the player is trained over 90+ hours, and that's just this series, that blue=good and red=evil, and see what they do when you swap the colors around.What, so the "red" choice is actually Paragon and the "blue" choice is actually Renegade?That would be interesting were it not for the fact that under that logic, the Paragon choice is the only one that involves literal genocide. <_< -- http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gifhttp://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 03/29/12 11:03:00 PM #143:	*HeroDelTiempo17 posted...* From: TheRock1525 \| #136 See, I can't assign more value to the color of the choices when one of the choices is Satan and the other is your father. I don't care how blue Satan is, I'm not picking his option. Either way, the color choices Bioware used when making the game made it clear that they considered TIM's choice to be the Paragon option. There's not much debating that. The Blue-Neutral-Red motif is used constantly. <_< Yeah, but TIM trumps all color code. I'm pretty sure that BioWare made ME3 so that you would hold some level of loathing for TIM, and there's nothing to make you feel negative towards Anderson. At best, it's the developers trying to switch things up for s**s and giggles. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man.* "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:965160] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> HeroDelTiempo17 posted...From: TheRock1525 \| #136See, I can't assign more value to the color of the choices when one of the choices is Satan and the other is your father.I don't care how blue Satan is, I'm not picking his option.Either way, the color choices Bioware used when making the game made it clear that they considered TIM's choice to be the Paragon option. There's not much debating that. The Blue-Neutral-Red motif is used constantly. <_<Yeah, but TIM trumps all color code. I'm pretty sure that BioWare made ME3 so that you would hold some level of loathing for TIM, and there's nothing to make you feel negative towards Anderson.At best, it's the developers trying to switch things up for s***s and giggles. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
stoneraider 03/29/12 11:04:00 PM #144:	I didn't like the ending. I like the indoctrination theory but don't believe it was Bioware's intention. And if it was, well then I paid $60 for an incomplete game. And if they want me to pay for a "true" ending, I'm pretty much done giving Bioware my money. <cite>stoneraider posted [p:965161] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> I didn't like the ending. I like the indoctrination theory but don't believe it was Bioware's intention. And if it was, well then I paid $60 for an incomplete game. And if they want me to pay for a "true" ending, I'm pretty much done giving Bioware my money. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 03/29/12 11:04:00 PM #145:	*TheRock1525 posted...* Is this a personal question or a question towards my Shepard? Cause my Shepard destroyed Maelon's data. ...neither? It's a comparison to how ill-gotten knowledge it still knowledge and how you're suggesting that it just all be discarded, despite the good it can bring, because of its source. Also StarChild hits you over the head several times that Control will save organics and is the selfless, while Destroy will just prolong things for a cycle or two and is the selfish choice. Yet he shows you a Blue TIM and a Red Anderson. It's all supposed to be shades of grey across the board, and is what I thought was the whole point of the ending no matter what theory you subscribed to. It just has different implications if you think it's indoc or played straight, but the core idea is the same. -- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE] http://img.imgcake.com/finegifdy.gif <cite>FFDragon posted [p:965162] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> TheRock1525 posted...Is this a personal question or a question towards my Shepard? Cause my Shepard destroyed Maelon's data....neither? It's a comparison to how ill-gotten knowledge it still knowledge and how you're suggesting that it just all be discarded, despite the good it can bring, because of its source.Also StarChild hits you over the head several times that Control will save organics and is the selfless, while Destroy will just prolong things for a cycle or two and is the selfish choice. Yet he shows you a Blue TIM and a Red Anderson. It's all supposed to be shades of grey across the board, and is what I thought was the whole point of the ending no matter what theory you subscribed to. It just has different implications if you think it's indoc or played straight, but the core idea is the same. -- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE]http://img.imgcake.com/finegifdy.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 03/29/12 11:04:00 PM #146:	*RayDyn posted...* From: TheRock1525 \| Posted: 3/30/2012 1:56:48 AM \| #136 See, I can't assign more value to the color of the choices when one of the choices is Satan and the other is your father. I don't care how blue Satan is, I'm not picking his option. I am completely with you on this, but take it as a social experiment. Three games where the player is trained over 90+ hours, and that's just this series, that blue=good and red=evil, and see what the players do when you swap the colors around. If it was just a simple color swap, it'd be pretty easy to trick gamers. And I'd definitely give the IT more weight. But they include one of the most deplorable human beings in the representation of the control option, the color loses all meaning rather quickly. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:965163] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> RayDyn posted...From: TheRock1525 \| Posted: 3/30/2012 1:56:48 AM \| #136See, I can't assign more value to the color of the choices when one of the choices is Satan and the other is your father.I don't care how blue Satan is, I'm not picking his option.I am completely with you on this, but take it as a social experiment. Three games where the player is trained over 90+ hours, and that's just this series, that blue=good and red=evil, and see what the players do when you swap the colors around.If it was just a simple color swap, it'd be pretty easy to trick gamers. And I'd definitely give the IT more weight. But they include one of the most deplorable human beings in the representation of the control option, the color loses all meaning rather quickly. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 03/29/12 11:05:00 PM #147:	Yeah, we're not going to REACH A CONSENSUS on this because you have your feelings rooted firmly in the character and I have mine rooted firmly in the concept. -- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE] http://img.imgcake.com/finegifdy.gif <cite>FFDragon posted [p:965164] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> Yeah, we're not going to REACH A CONSENSUS on this because you have your feelings rooted firmly in the character and I have mine rooted firmly in the concept. -- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE]http://img.imgcake.com/finegifdy.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 03/29/12 11:06:00 PM #148:	From: TheRock1525 \| #143 Yeah, but TIM trumps all color code. I'm pretty sure that BioWare made ME3 so that you would hold some level of loathing for TIM, and there's nothing to make you feel negative towards Anderson. Well the color code has to be there for SOME reason, otherwise it wouldn't be there at all. And I don't believe that they were intentionally switched. Though maybe Bioware just thought it looked cool and were putting even less thought into the endings than I gave them credit for. -- http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gif http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:965165] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> From: TheRock1525 \| #143Yeah, but TIM trumps all color code. I'm pretty sure that BioWare made ME3 so that you would hold some level of loathing for TIM, and there's nothing to make you feel negative towards Anderson.Well the color code has to be there for SOME reason, otherwise it wouldn't be there at all. And I don't believe that they were intentionally switched.Though maybe Bioware just thought it looked cool and were putting even less thought into the endings than I gave them credit for. -- http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gifhttp://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RayDyn 03/29/12 11:09:00 PM #149:	From: HeroDelTiempo17 \| Posted: 3/30/2012 2:02:16 AM \| #142 That would be interesting were it not for the fact that under that logic, the Paragon choice is the only one that involves literal genocide. I don't disagree, I'm just saying it's s*ty writing, and one way that I could see it making sense, is they were fing with the player. -- This post brought to you by Intelligence. Intelligence may not be available in all areas. <cite>RayDyn posted [p:965166] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> From: HeroDelTiempo17 \| Posted: 3/30/2012 2:02:16 AM \| #142That would be interesting were it not for the fact that under that logic, the Paragon choice is the only one that involves literal genocide.I don't disagree, I'm just saying it's sty writing, and one way that I could see it making sense, is they were f*ing with the player. -- This post brought to you by Intelligence.Intelligence may not be available in all areas. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
theawesomestevr 03/29/12 11:09:00 PM #150:	From: TheRock1525 \| #130 But the problem is how exactly is the Reaper trying to trick Shepard? "Gee, I should trust TIM simply because he was right and ignore all the awful stuff he's done up until this point." Like I said, either Reaper Indoctrination is pitiful because they literally present you with a situation where resisting is hilariously easy, or it's played out literally. I don't know. I think in this case they were pretty successful at the very least in making the player believe the scenario playing out was actually occurring, regardless of what one determines the actual ending to be after the fact. It seems your argument comes more from a place of "the control option should never even exist, since why would anyone ever follow TIM's way of thinking?" which seems like a case in itself that at least that part of the ending was bad. In my view though what TIM believed to be true shouldn't be what ultimately influences the player's decision. As was said previously, just because he decided that the ends justified the means, that doesn't mean that the end wasn't still the correct one. <cite>theawesomestevr posted [p:965167] in Mass Effec... [t:62395478]...</cite> <quote> From: TheRock1525 \| #130But the problem is how exactly is the Reaper trying to trick Shepard? "Gee, I should trust TIM simply because he was right and ignore all the awful stuff he's done up until this point." Like I said, either Reaper Indoctrination is pitiful because they literally present you with a situation where resisting is hilariously easy, or it's played out literally.I don't know. I think in this case they were pretty successful at the very least in making the player believe the scenario playing out was actually occurring, regardless of what one determines the actual ending to be after the fact. It seems your argument comes more from a place of "the control option should never even exist, since why would anyone ever follow TIM's way of thinking?" which seems like a case in itself that at least that part of the ending was bad. In my view though what TIM believed to be true shouldn't be what ultimately influences the player's decision. As was said previously, just because he decided that the ends justified the means, that doesn't mean that the end wasn't still the correct one. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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