Board 8 > If you haven't seen how awful Metroid: Other M is, here's your chance spoilers

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TheRock1525 03/19/12 4:08:00 PM #251:	This is more of a nitpick, but why the hell are they using thumbs-up to signal they understand their mission parameters? Did the salute get replaced by this? It's like that Simpsons episode where in the future, goodbye is replaced by "smell ya later." -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:918049] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> This is more of a nitpick, but why the hell are they using thumbs-up to signal they understand their mission parameters? Did the salute get replaced by this?It's like that Simpsons episode where in the future, goodbye is replaced by "smell ya later." -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Liquid Wind 03/19/12 4:12:00 PM #252:	something else pointed out in this LP is that sakamoto seems to have a really twisted vision for the military adam is the perfect military mind(gets his whole team including himself killed, random NPCs show up and clean up the mess) adam believes life should be respected and not used as weapons adam never reprimands samus for being an insubordinate ** THE PERFECT MILITARY MIND so perfect that they needed to locate his corpse floating through space and copy it into a CPU for future use what the <cite>Liquid Wind posted [p:918050] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> something else pointed out in this LP is that sakamoto seems to have a really twisted vision for the militaryadam is the perfect military mind(gets his whole team including himself killed, random NPCs show up and clean up the mess)adam believes life should be respected and not used as weaponsadam never reprimands samus for being an insubordinate THE PERFECT MILITARY MINDso perfect that they needed to locate his corpse floating through space and copy it into a CPU for future usewhatthe ** </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 03/19/12 4:16:00 PM #253:	Once again, and this is more a nitpick than anything, but why can sector zero only be detached from the actual sector? Doesn't that defeat the purpose? You're trying to isolate/get rid of something that has detachable areas, usually you don't want to be in that area when it's detached. I mean, they could easily handwave this by saying the automatic release was damaged and he has to do a manual release from inside the sector, but they don't. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:918051] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> Once again, and this is more a nitpick than anything, but why can sector zero only be detached from the actual sector? Doesn't that defeat the purpose? You're trying to isolate/get rid of something that has detachable areas, usually you don't want to be in that area when it's detached.I mean, they could easily handwave this by saying the automatic release was damaged and he has to do a manual release from inside the sector, but they don't. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Liquid Wind 03/19/12 4:18:00 PM #254:	you know what, nothing else in this game makes any goddamn sense so spoiler alert for metroid 6 adam is still alive and is actually evil <cite>Liquid Wind posted [p:918052] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> you know what, nothing else in this game makes any goddamn sense sospoiler alert for metroid 6adam is still alive and is actually evil </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 03/19/12 4:21:00 PM #255:	Or like that scene with Anthony getting attacked my the walking octopus. Samus literally stands there watching him about to get killed, waiting for Adam to authorize her to use her grapple beam. I just don't get how people go "it's not THAT bad." -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:918053] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> Or like that scene with Anthony getting attacked my the walking octopus. Samus literally stands there watching him about to get killed, waiting for Adam to authorize her to use her grapple beam.I just don't get how people go "it's not THAT bad." -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Liquid Wind 03/19/12 4:24:00 PM #256:	my theory actually makes some sense come to think of it, sakamoto has said that he couldn't make a game taking place after fusion without making other m first, so some of those vaguely undefined threads like james being implied to be THE DELETER but not confirmed kind of tie into that kind of idea, and sector zero is never shown blowing up or anything, just being released either that or he needed to show us that ridley was a furby first before he makes a ridley pet game <cite>Liquid Wind posted [p:918054] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> my theory actually makes some sense come to think of it, sakamoto has said that he couldn't make a game taking place after fusion without making other m first, so some of those vaguely undefined threads like james being implied to be THE DELETER but not confirmed kind of tie into that kind of idea, and sector zero is never shown blowing up or anything, just being releasedeither that or he needed to show us that ridley was a furby first before he makes a ridley pet game </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 03/19/12 4:26:00 PM #257:	He also struggles with the concept of molting, though at least that can be hand-waved with the whole "space monster" thing. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:918055] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> He also struggles with the concept of molting, though at least that can be hand-waved with the whole "space monster" thing. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Biolizard28 03/19/12 4:28:00 PM #258:	From: TheRock1525 \| #245 Pretty funny getting called predictable by the most predictable user on board 8. See, the difference between you and me here is I actually know what I'm talking about when it comes to Other M and we've had extensive discussions over it, including in this topic. So no, I didn't arrive, take a shot at you and leave. I've been here from the beginning and long after you leave I'll still be here discussing Other M. On the flip side, you waltz on in here in all your ignorant glory, knowing nothing about Other M and only thinking "watch me nail Rock good here" and post an incredibly dumb post. After I easily refute your claims, you switch to defense mode and decide to call someone a random flaw. In this case: predictable. I'd love to see how I'm predictable because it'd probably be just as weak as pretty much everything else you've said in this topic. You're like a poor man's ulti. You come in and attempt to derail a thread because you've got to be the center of attention. Difference being ulti says something ridiculous to gain attention, whereas you just say dumb stuff and then immediately switch into defense mode so you can keep the focus on you for a while longer. So I'm not going to allow this. Say whatever the f*** you want going forward, I'm not going to bother responding any further. This is about Other M, not biolizard. Go make the all-biolizard all the time topic where you can have all the bad posts in the world. This long winded post all about me has sure shot my ego. Also, the whole "LALALA I'M NOT LISTENING THING" is just as bad as actually running away, so I guess we know who won. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] <cite>Biolizard28 posted [p:918056] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> From: TheRock1525 \| #245Pretty funny getting called predictable by the most predictable user on board 8.See, the difference between you and me here is I actually know what I'm talking about when it comes to Other M and we've had extensive discussions over it, including in this topic. So no, I didn't arrive, take a shot at you and leave. I've been here from the beginning and long after you leave I'll still be here discussing Other M.On the flip side, you waltz on in here in all your ignorant glory, knowing nothing about Other M and only thinking "watch me nail Rock good here" and post an incredibly dumb post. After I easily refute your claims, you switch to defense mode and decide to call someone a random flaw. In this case: predictable. I'd love to see how I'm predictable because it'd probably be just as weak as pretty much everything else you've said in this topic.You're like a poor man's ulti. You come in and attempt to derail a thread because you've got to be the center of attention. Difference being ulti says something ridiculous to gain attention, whereas you just say dumb stuff and then immediately switch into defense mode so you can keep the focus on you for a while longer.So I'm not going to allow this. Say whatever the f*** you want going forward, I'm not going to bother responding any further. This is about Other M, not biolizard. Go make the all-biolizard all the time topic where you can have all the bad posts in the world.This long winded post all about me has sure shot my ego.Also, the whole "LALALA I'M NOT LISTENING THING" is just as bad as actually running away, so I guess we know who won. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo[NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Westbrick 03/19/12 4:48:00 PM #259:	I simply find it hard to believe that on the subject of plot holes, he would just so happen to use the exact same zinger to describe Other M's situation that is used to open the article ON plot holes on every know it all's favorite resource for s*** they don't like in video games. I can't actually prove this is true, just that I think Rock is the type of person who would do such a thing. His resurrection of this whole Other M debate shows that he has zero regard for original thought, at the very least. (I'm fully aware that responding at this point will only trigger responses of how I only show up when I'm called out, but I also can't ever stop you from using such faulty logic in the first place.) I don't even know where to begin with this. Like, why are you acting this way? You were confused about certain terms relating to plot, and then Rock clarified. You proceeded to make an irrelevant, snide comment, and then got called out on it. Now you're making complete strawman arguments like "People who hate Other M have never played a bad video game before" and "Rock uses faulty logic all the time (although I'll provide no concrete examples." I mean, your position was never particularly good, but I'm baffled at how it can continue to get worse after each of your posts. -- Forever LOLphins http://i.imgur.com/Uo04e.gif <cite>Westbrick posted [p:918057] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> I simply find it hard to believe that on the subject of plot holes, he would just so happen to use the exact same zinger to describe Other M's situation that is used to open the article ON plot holes on every know it all's favorite resource for s*** they don't like in video games. I can't actually prove this is true, just that I think Rock is the type of person who would do such a thing. His resurrection of this whole Other M debate shows that he has zero regard for original thought, at the very least.(I'm fully aware that responding at this point will only trigger responses of how I only show up when I'm called out, but I also can't ever stop you from using such faulty logic in the first place.)I don't even know where to begin with this. Like, why are you acting this way? You were confused about certain terms relating to plot, and then Rock clarified. You proceeded to make an irrelevant, snide comment, and then got called out on it. Now you're making complete strawman arguments like "People who hate Other M have never played a bad video game before" and "Rock uses faulty logic all the time (although I'll provide no concrete examples." I mean, your position was never particularly good, but I'm baffled at how it can continue to get worse after each of your posts. -- Forever LOLphinshttp://i.imgur.com/Uo04e.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 03/19/12 5:47:00 PM #260:	I'm still waiting for Samus to collect a bounty, too. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:918058] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> I'm still waiting for Samus to collect a bounty, too. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master Epyon 03/19/12 5:53:00 PM #261:	RedLetterMedia. Just... RedLetterMedia. Westbrick you are the best new user. See, that's the problem with the Deleter plot: it's resolution is loosely implied at best. Which is funny for a game intent on beating you over the head with it's symbolism, they tried to be subtle for once. It still was awful, though. That's exactly the problem. The game overall doesn't even attempt subtlety but with the Deleter plot they suddenly try to be mysterious? Why? It doesn't help that while they don't say it out loud, by process of elimination the Deleter still ends up being obvious! And don't say the game doesn't explain everything in overly stupid detail. Take this one moment: We see Anthony sigh and hear him mutter "Still can't get my head around it... What a crazy mission..." Samus immediately afterwards says "Anthony sighed and muttered to himself." Also, I'd like to see anyone try to defend the scene with Adam shooting Samus in the back. Come on, try. This is also not really comparable with Metal Gear Solid for a few reasons. For one, Adam was a character that the fans were interested in for about 8 years. To see him act in such an awful manner was a huge letdown. Further, there's the fact that he's actually meant to be one of the heroic characters, not some insane villain. Samus defies fan expectation that had been built up for her character for 24 years and becomes a wimp instead. Liquid Wind Posted 3/19/2012 8:59:42 AM message detail quote adam was actually THE DELETER all along, that's who tried to assassinate adam I had long hoped in the game that the Adam we saw was actually just a mind-controlling robot that was after the real Adam. He sadly was not, and to make it even worse, you actually do run into a mind-controlling robot posing as someone else in-game! Argh! -- Geologists will date anything. <cite>Master Epyon posted [p:918059] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> RedLetterMedia. Just... RedLetterMedia.Westbrick you are the best new user.See, that's the problem with the Deleter plot: it's resolution is loosely implied at best. Which is funny for a game intent on beating you over the head with it's symbolism, they tried to be subtle for once. It still was awful, though.That's exactly the problem. The game overall doesn't even attempt subtlety but with the Deleter plot they suddenly try to be mysterious? Why? It doesn't help that while they don't say it out loud, by process of elimination the Deleter still ends up being obvious!And don't say the game doesn't explain everything in overly stupid detail. Take this one moment:We see Anthony sigh and hear him mutter "Still can't get my head around it... What a crazy mission..."Samus immediately afterwards says "Anthony sighed and muttered to himself."Also, I'd like to see anyone try to defend the scene with Adam shooting Samus in the back. Come on, try.This is also not really comparable with Metal Gear Solid for a few reasons. For one, Adam was a character that the fans were interested in for about 8 years. To see him act in such an awful manner was a huge letdown. Further, there's the fact that he's actually meant to be one of the heroic characters, not some insane villain. Samus defies fan expectation that had been built up for her character for 24 years and becomes a wimp instead. Liquid WindPosted 3/19/2012 8:59:42 AMmessage detailquoteadam was actually THE DELETER all along, that's who tried to assassinate adamI had long hoped in the game that the Adam we saw was actually just a mind-controlling robot that was after the real Adam. He sadly was not, and to make it even worse, you actually do run into a mind-controlling robot posing as someone else in-game! Argh! -- Geologists will date anything. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 03/19/12 5:56:00 PM #262:	Also, I'd like to see anyone try to defend the scene with Adam shooting Samus in the back. Come on, try. LMS tried. It was hilariously pathetic. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:918060] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> Also, I'd like to see anyone try to defend the scene with Adam shooting Samus in the back. Come on, try.LMS tried.It was hilariously pathetic. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
htaeD 03/19/12 5:58:00 PM #263:	clearly the twist is that MB was the only human and everyone else was a dumbed down flawed android -- FC 1849 0634 8041 Boring sig is boring <cite>htaeD posted [p:918061] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> clearly the twist is that MB was the only human and everyone else was a dumbed down flawed android -- FC 1849 0634 8041Boring sig is boring </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Westbrick 03/19/12 5:59:00 PM #264:	RedLetterMedia. Just... RedLetterMedia. Westbrick you are the best new user. Ha, thanks. Just telling it like it is man By the way, since I'm not very well-read about most Other M drama: did Sakamoto ever comment on the backlash he received? I'd expect that he brushed aside all criticisms as the fans "not getting it" or whatever, but maybe he had some more humble things to say about the ordeal. -- Forever LOLphins http://i.imgur.com/Uo04e.gif <cite>Westbrick posted [p:918062] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> RedLetterMedia. Just... RedLetterMedia.Westbrick you are the best new user.Ha, thanks. Just telling it like it is manBy the way, since I'm not very well-read about most Other M drama: did Sakamoto ever comment on the backlash he received? I'd expect that he brushed aside all criticisms as the fans "not getting it" or whatever, but maybe he had some more humble things to say about the ordeal. -- Forever LOLphinshttp://i.imgur.com/Uo04e.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paratroopa1 03/19/12 6:01:00 PM #265:	Okay guys, I have a new idea. Mafia role: Deleter Every night, the Deleter chooses someone to kill, and in the morning it is loudly announced that the Deleter killed someone, and who he killed. However, when the Deleter himself is killed, his death is not announced and the issue is immediately dropped and never brought up again. <cite>Paratroopa1 posted [p:918063] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> Okay guys, I have a new idea.Mafia role: DeleterEvery night, the Deleter chooses someone to kill, and in the morning it is loudly announced that the Deleter killed someone, and who he killed. However, when the Deleter himself is killed, his death is not announced and the issue is immediately dropped and never brought up again. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
htaeD 03/19/12 6:02:00 PM #266:	he didnt give any interviews afterwards I believe -- FC 1849 0634 8041 Boring sig is boring <cite>htaeD posted [p:918064] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> he didnt give any interviews afterwards I believe -- FC 1849 0634 8041Boring sig is boring </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master Epyon 03/19/12 6:02:00 PM #267:	The whole authorization thing gets even worse once one realizes that it'd be more sensible if Adam had just asked Samus to not use her high-end weaponry instead of ordering her. That way, she could actually use her own discretion to determine when or when not to use certain items, and her upgrading her weapons would start making more sense as the situation becomes more clear that there are few survivors and the team is getting killed. The plot would have to get worked around a little bit to accommodate the more arbitrary choices (such as not using space jump or the gravity suit right away), but if done right it would have made Samus still look independent yet empathetic instead of just not doing it because an officer she no longer serves under told her to do so. -- Geologists will date anything. <cite>Master Epyon posted [p:918065] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> The whole authorization thing gets even worse once one realizes that it'd be more sensible if Adam had just asked Samus to not use her high-end weaponry instead of ordering her. That way, she could actually use her own discretion to determine when or when not to use certain items, and her upgrading her weapons would start making more sense as the situation becomes more clear that there are few survivors and the team is getting killed. The plot would have to get worked around a little bit to accommodate the more arbitrary choices (such as not using space jump or the gravity suit right away), but if done right it would have made Samus still look independent yet empathetic instead of just not doing it because an officer she no longer serves under told her to do so. -- Geologists will date anything. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master Epyon 03/19/12 6:03:00 PM #268:	Every night, the Deleter chooses someone to kill, and in the morning it is loudly announced that the Deleter killed someone, and who he killed. However, when the Deleter himself is killed, his death is not announced and the issue is immediately dropped and never brought up again. that somehow sounds much more fun than Other M! Fund it! -- Geologists will date anything. <cite>Master Epyon posted [p:918066] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> Every night, the Deleter chooses someone to kill, and in the morning it is loudly announced that the Deleter killed someone, and who he killed. However, when the Deleter himself is killed, his death is not announced and the issue is immediately dropped and never brought up again.that somehow sounds much more fun than Other M!Fund it! -- Geologists will date anything. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 03/19/12 6:04:00 PM #269:	Start a Kickstarter! -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:918067] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> Start a Kickstarter! -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paratroopa1 03/19/12 6:05:00 PM #270:	Fund it? Man I'd just need to run a Mafia game and put that role in. I'm not gonna be the one to do that though I haven't played Mafia in years. <cite>Paratroopa1 posted [p:918068] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> Fund it? Man I'd just need to run a Mafia game and put that role in. I'm not gonna be the one to do that though I haven't played Mafia in years. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Biolizard28 03/19/12 6:06:00 PM #271:	Also, I'd like to see anyone try to defend the scene with Adam shooting Samus in the back. Come on, try. Alright. He was trying to disable her so she couldn't stop him from doing his heroic sacrifice. Doesn't explain the following: - Why he would leave Samus in such a vulnerable state around a Metroid that could be resistant to cold. - Why he waited until she was conscious again to actually go in to Sector Zero, if his concern was really the possibility of her trying to stop him. - Why he couldn't just authorize (Hnng) Samus to use Power Bombs like, two feet from Sector Zero's door and then make a run for it. So... like, I get what they were trying to do. Maybe. But there are still logical inconsistencies. And if you have to stoop to that to defend something, it's pretty bad. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] <cite>Biolizard28 posted [p:918069] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> Also, I'd like to see anyone try to defend the scene with Adam shooting Samus in the back. Come on, try.Alright.He was trying to disable her so she couldn't stop him from doing his heroic sacrifice.Doesn't explain the following:- Why he would leave Samus in such a vulnerable state around a Metroid that could be resistant to cold.- Why he waited until she was conscious again to actually go in to Sector Zero, if his concern was really the possibility of her trying to stop him.- Why he couldn't just authorize (Hnng) Samus to use Power Bombs like, two feet from Sector Zero's door and then make a run for it.So... like, I get what they were trying to do. Maybe.But there are still logical inconsistencies.And if you have to stoop to that to defend something, it's pretty bad. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo[NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paratroopa1 03/19/12 6:10:00 PM #272:	Here's the thing - okay, one thing - that I don't get about the Deleter subplot. Are they seriously expecting us to care about this whole murder mystery intrigue about a bunch of guys who we've never met and have no f*ing clue about? Okay, so Anthony we know at least, and while he's not a great character, he is at least developed enough for me to understand who he is and why I should care about him. The other four dudes? Nothing. They're just four random ass dudes. Yet they're somehow more fing important to the story than Samus* is, and we're expected to be on the edge of our seat trying to figure out who the Deleter is. Except no, f* you. Why in the world would you think we would care about this. The most hilarious part of course, is that they hit you over the head with every plot point, to the point of Samus needing six or seven lines to narrate obvious things going on right in front of you, but then you're suddenly expected to infer a whole bunch of s* about the Deleter plot like a goddamn psychic. And that's assuming you ever care, which you shouldn't. F* this game. <cite>Paratroopa1 posted [p:918070] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> Here's the thing - okay, one thing - that I don't get about the Deleter subplot.Are they seriously expecting us to care about this whole murder mystery intrigue about a bunch of guys who we've never met and have no fing clue about?Okay, so Anthony we know at least, and while he's not a great character, he is at least developed enough for me to understand who he is and why I should care about him. The other four dudes? Nothing. They're just four random ass dudes. Yet they're somehow more fing important to the story than Samus is, and we're expected to be on the edge of our seat trying to figure out who the Deleter is. Except no, f* you. Why in the world would you think we would care about this.The most hilarious part of course, is that they hit you over the head with every plot point, to the point of Samus needing six or seven lines to narrate obvious things going on right in front of you, but then you're suddenly expected to infer a whole bunch of s* about the Deleter plot like a goddamn psychic. And that's assuming you ever care, which you shouldn't. F* this game. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master Epyon 03/19/12 6:13:00 PM #273:	i cared for about the one minute it took to defeat the Carry Armor from Final Fantasy VII that he was using against me then i stopped caring again forever -- Geologists will date anything. <cite>Master Epyon posted [p:918071] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> i cared for about the one minute it took to defeat the Carry Armor from Final Fantasy VII that he was using against methen i stopped caring again forever -- Geologists will date anything. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lightning Strikes 03/19/12 6:16:00 PM #274:	Hey Westbrick, not even going to post a proper response because I think that combating the insults of somebody who launches a bunch of insults then complains about how he's being insulted is a waste of my time. You keep talking about how intelligent and mature you are and want the discussion to be, but then you keep insulting me, calling everyone who disagrees with you stupid, using age-based remarks to try and justify opinion, and pretty much trying to demean me. So no, I'm not putting up with that. I could rebut your points and have a real discussion, but I won't because I can tell you're not the type I want to talk to. In fact, you're the type that's pretty much directly responsible for me barely posting here anymore. I just want to talk about games I like, and some I don't, and have a reasoned discussion, but I can't because of aggressive tossers like you. You'll probably put up some snide response about how immature I am for insulting you or something like that, but you struck first, and I'm simply throwing in the towel because I don't want to deal with your bad behaviour. -- Something something something ^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig <cite>Lightning Strikes posted [p:918072] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> Hey Westbrick, not even going to post a proper response because I think that combating the insults of somebody who launches a bunch of insults then complains about how he's being insulted is a waste of my time.You keep talking about how intelligent and mature you are and want the discussion to be, but then you keep insulting me, calling everyone who disagrees with you stupid, using age-based remarks to try and justify opinion, and pretty much trying to demean me.So no, I'm not putting up with that. I could rebut your points and have a real discussion, but I won't because I can tell you're not the type I want to talk to. In fact, you're the type that's pretty much directly responsible for me barely posting here anymore.I just want to talk about games I like, and some I don't, and have a reasoned discussion, but I can't because of aggressive tossers like you. You'll probably put up some snide response about how immature I am for insulting you or something like that, but you struck first, and I'm simply throwing in the towel because I don't want to deal with your bad behaviour. -- Something something something^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 03/19/12 6:17:00 PM #275:	I liked the final boss where Samus is desperately trying to get a shot off at the MB and then the random person you've known for ten minutes goes to shoot MB instead. And then the random military shoots MB. -- Xbox GT: PrivateBiscuit1 Down with Zhang. Let there be Biscuit! <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:918073] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> I liked the final boss where Samus is desperately trying to get a shot off at the MB and then the random person you've known for ten minutes goes to shoot MB instead. And then the random military shoots MB. -- Xbox GT: PrivateBiscuit1Down with Zhang. Let there be Biscuit! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master Epyon 03/19/12 6:19:00 PM #276:	I could be generous and say Phantoon is the actual last boss of normal mode, but I feel that saying generous and Other M in the same sentence is dirty. -- Geologists will date anything. <cite>Master Epyon posted [p:918074] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> I could be generous and say Phantoon is the actual last boss of normal mode, but I feel that saying generous and Other M in the same sentence is dirty. -- Geologists will date anything. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 03/19/12 6:20:00 PM #277:	If I was feeling generous, I'd call Other M a horrible piece of crap. If. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:918075] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> If I was feeling generous, I'd call Other M a horrible piece of crap.If. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lightning Strikes 03/19/12 6:27:00 PM #278:	From: TheRock1525 \| #1101 INFERIOR RECESSIVE GENES IT EVEN RAINED THE DAY I WAS BORRRRRRRRN YOU WERE THE LIGHTNING IN THAT RAIN THROW OFF THE SHACKLES OF FATE... AND FULFIL YOUR DESTINY Hammy but engaged voice acting always trumps lifeless dull voice acting. I think MGS is pretty ridiculous, but at least it presents itself in a less-than-serious manner and their voice actors and actress actually bother to emote. This is coming from a guy who doesn't even like the MGS series. By the way, art can be subjective, but storytelling isn't. There's elements required in storytelling to make it good storytelling and that's kinda important in a narrative. You can say Metroid Other M qualifies as art all you want, but the fact of the matter is that it's story was absolutely awful. It contained plotholes, contradictions, unresolved plot threads and a whole myriad of things that were completely and utterly pointless. That is, under no circumstances, acceptable storytelling. It is objectively bad in that sense, and you can't hide behind the "it's art" defense. It's not "not that bad." It is. It's atrocious. And it deserves every level of criticism thrown at it. There's no alternate viewpoint to this, there's no "subjective opinion" to this, there's no hiding behind "its art" for this. It is bad storytelling. And people can enjoy bad storytelling. More power to them if they do. But it's still bad and there's no real argument against it. And that's what the Other M Defense Force doesn't get. "Bother to emote"? Two words: David Hayter. He's not quite as bad as Samus's voice actress, but he has much more dialogue. He also isn't supposed to be non-emotive, unlike Samus who was. But he maintains the same tone of voice for every line, even Snake is quite clearly emoting physically. It's bad acting. Why that gets praise I do not know. From an actual acting perspective it's much worse than Samus, but he does win through sheer tone. Even then however. P.S. Storytelling is an art. -- Something something something ^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig <cite>Lightning Strikes posted [p:918076] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> From: TheRock1525 \| #1101INFERIOR RECESSIVE GENESIT EVEN RAINED THE DAY I WAS BORRRRRRRRNYOU WERE THE LIGHTNING IN THAT RAINTHROW OFF THE SHACKLES OF FATE... AND FULFIL YOUR DESTINYHammy but engaged voice acting always trumps lifeless dull voice acting. I think MGS is pretty ridiculous, but at least it presents itself in a less-than-serious manner and their voice actors and actress actually bother to emote. This is coming from a guy who doesn't even like the MGS series.By the way, art can be subjective, but storytelling isn't. There's elements required in storytelling to make it good storytelling and that's kinda important in a narrative. You can say Metroid Other M qualifies as art all you want, but the fact of the matter is that it's story was absolutely awful. It contained plotholes, contradictions, unresolved plot threads and a whole myriad of things that were completely and utterly pointless. That is, under no circumstances, acceptable storytelling. It is objectively bad in that sense, and you can't hide behind the "it's art" defense.It's not "not that bad." It is. It's atrocious. And it deserves every level of criticism thrown at it. There's no alternate viewpoint to this, there's no "subjective opinion" to this, there's no hiding behind "its art" for this. It is bad storytelling.And people can enjoy bad storytelling. More power to them if they do. But it's still bad and there's no real argument against it. And that's what the Other M Defense Force doesn't get."Bother to emote"? Two words: David Hayter. He's not quite as bad as Samus's voice actress, but he has much more dialogue. He also isn't supposed to be non-emotive, unlike Samus who was. But he maintains the same tone of voice for every line, even Snake is quite clearly emoting physically. It's bad acting. Why that gets praise I do not know. From an actual acting perspective it's much worse than Samus, but he does win through sheer tone. Even then however.P.S. Storytelling is an art. -- Something something something^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Liquid Wind 03/19/12 6:30:00 PM #279:	Hey Westbrick, not even going to post a proper response because I think that combating the insults of somebody who launches a bunch of insults then complains about how he's being insulted is a waste of my time. hey pot, what's up <cite>Liquid Wind posted [p:918077] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> Hey Westbrick, not even going to post a proper response because I think that combating the insults of somebody who launches a bunch of insults then complains about how he's being insulted is a waste of my time.hey pot, what's up </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lightning Strikes 03/19/12 6:32:00 PM #280:	From: Liquid Wind \| #1359 hey pot, what's up Like I said, he struck first. I think if I'm being insulted I can afford the liberty of return fire. -- Something something something ^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig <cite>Lightning Strikes posted [p:918078] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> From: Liquid Wind \| #1359hey pot, what's upLike I said, he struck first. I think if I'm being insulted I can afford the liberty of return fire. -- Something something something^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 03/19/12 6:39:00 PM #281:	Hayter's voice may be forced, but like hell he doesn't emote. That's bulls*** and you know it. P.S. Storytelling can contain artistic elements. It's not in inherently art. You can use storytelling as an educational tool as well. You can use storytelling to recant a life. None of these are for artistic merit. Even though hiding behind the "it's art" argument does absolutely nothing to disprove anything we've said: that Metroid Other M has terrible storytelling mechanics. If I fart into a microphone for half an hour and then say it's art, that's great. People can say it's great art. People can't say it's great storytelling. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:918079] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> Hayter's voice may be forced, but like hell he doesn't emote. That's bulls*** and you know it.P.S. Storytelling can contain artistic elements. It's not in inherently art. You can use storytelling as an educational tool as well. You can use storytelling to recant a life. None of these are for artistic merit. Even though hiding behind the "it's art" argument does absolutely nothing to disprove anything we've said: that Metroid Other M has terrible storytelling mechanics. If I fart into a microphone for half an hour and then say it's art, that's great. People can say it's great art. People can't say it's great storytelling. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Westbrick 03/19/12 6:51:00 PM #282:	Hey Westbrick, not even going to post a proper response because I think that combating the insults of somebody who launches a bunch of insults then complains about how he's being insulted is a waste of my time. Thanks for proving my point champ. You keep talking about how intelligent and mature you are and want the discussion to be, but then you keep insulting me, calling everyone who disagrees with you stupid, using age-based remarks to try and justify opinion, and pretty much trying to demean me. Two possible approaches: 1) Grow a thicker skin. 2) Stop using insults yourself. I believe if we're going to tally things up, I've used only one or two clear insults and a couple of derogatory remarks ("champ" is a personal favorite of mine; really riles the people up), while I've been called everything from delusional to a tosser. So no, I'm not putting up with that. I could rebut your points and have a real discussion, but I won't because I can tell you're not the type I want to talk to. In fact, you're the type that's pretty much directly responsible for me barely posting here anymore. If only I could convince you to stop posting here entirely. My "type," for those who may not understand compensatory doublespeak, is the kind of person who a) doesn't put up with inconsistency, and b) doesn't mind taking small things seriously. I just want to talk about games I like, and some I don't, and have a reasoned discussion, but I can't because of aggressive tossers like you. You'll probably put up some snide response about how immature I am for insulting you or something like that, but you struck first, and I'm simply throwing in the towel because I don't want to deal with your bad behaviour. To be clear, "striking first" means that I made a few derogatory comments- on the internet, no less!- while trying to get you to actually explain your position in a way that other people could understand and dissect. You've yet to do this, and complaining about cyber-bullying is silly. This is how discussions go, online and in the real world. Again, you're not being forced to post here, but if that's what you want to do, then I'll invite you to make clear what it is about Other M that satisfies you from a storytelling perspective, by making clear the following two things: 1) Provide the standards you're using for quality storytelling. 2) Argue why Other M fits these standards. -- Forever LOLphins http://i.imgur.com/Uo04e.gif <cite>Westbrick posted [p:918080] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> Hey Westbrick, not even going to post a proper response because I think that combating the insults of somebody who launches a bunch of insults then complains about how he's being insulted is a waste of my time.Thanks for proving my point champ.You keep talking about how intelligent and mature you are and want the discussion to be, but then you keep insulting me, calling everyone who disagrees with you stupid, using age-based remarks to try and justify opinion, and pretty much trying to demean me.Two possible approaches:1) Grow a thicker skin.2) Stop using insults yourself. I believe if we're going to tally things up, I've used only one or two clear insults and a couple of derogatory remarks ("champ" is a personal favorite of mine; really riles the people up), while I've been called everything from delusional to a tosser.So no, I'm not putting up with that. I could rebut your points and have a real discussion, but I won't because I can tell you're not the type I want to talk to. In fact, you're the type that's pretty much directly responsible for me barely posting here anymore.If only I could convince you to stop posting here entirely.My "type," for those who may not understand compensatory doublespeak, is the kind of person who a) doesn't put up with inconsistency, and b) doesn't mind taking small things seriously. I just want to talk about games I like, and some I don't, and have a reasoned discussion, but I can't because of aggressive tossers like you. You'll probably put up some snide response about how immature I am for insulting you or something like that, but you struck first, and I'm simply throwing in the towel because I don't want to deal with your bad behaviour.To be clear, "striking first" means that I made a few derogatory comments- on the internet, no less!- while trying to get you to actually explain your position in a way that other people could understand and dissect. You've yet to do this, and complaining about cyber-bullying is silly. This is how discussions go, online and in the real world. Again, you're not being forced to post here, but if that's what you want to do, then I'll invite you to make clear what it is about Other M that satisfies you from a storytelling perspective, by making clear the following two things:1) Provide the standards you're using for quality storytelling. 2) Argue why Other M fits these standards. -- Forever LOLphinshttp://i.imgur.com/Uo04e.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master Epyon 03/19/12 7:12:00 PM #283:	Speaking of interviews about the game: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/960554-metroid-other-m/56641037 -- Geologists will date anything. <cite>Master Epyon posted [p:918081] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> Speaking of interviews about the game:http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/960554-metroid-other-m/56641037 -- Geologists will date anything. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WazzupGenius00 03/19/12 7:19:00 PM #284:	wow I pretty much laughed out loud at every single one of Sakamoto's statements in that first post because of how full of bulls* he is -- The Temple of Kraden, a forum for fans of Golden Sun: http://z9.invisionfree.com/The_Temple_of_Kraden/index.php?act=site <cite>WazzupGenius00 posted [p:918082] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> wow I pretty much laughed out loud at every single one of Sakamoto's statements in that first post because of how full of bulls* he is -- The Temple of Kraden, a forum for fans of Golden Sun: http://z9.invisionfree.com/The_Temple_of_Kraden/index.php?act=site </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Westbrick 03/19/12 7:23:00 PM #285:	I found this quote in one of the articles already posted, and I thought it'd be very relevant to all the people arguing that Metroid is a "gameplay series": It’s no secret that the video game industry tends to have very low writing standards, so unless a game’s plot or characters particularly stand out, gamers (and reviewers) have been conditioned to tune out the storytelling and focus on shooting stuff. Many players can tune out a game’s story completely and enjoy the gameplay on its own. This raises an obvious question: if it’s so bad, why can’t we just ignore Other M’s story and move on? I don’t think we have that luxury, for three reasons: The first reason is that Yoshio Sakamoto, Other M’s producer, director, and writer, clearly wants us to pay attention to it. Not only does the game have the usual unskippable cutscenes, it actually devotes an entire section of its in-game menu to keeping track of plot points and the characters you encounter over the course of the game. Every time you load a save game you’re greeted with a plot recap. Your reward for beating the game is even “Theater Mode”, all the game’s lovingly-rendered cutscenes strung together with pre-recorded adventure footage to make a feature-length movie without the distraction of gameplay. He meant for the story to be appreciated on its own terms, and went through great lengths to ensure that players would get the whole thing. He didn’t intend for his story to be ignored. Second, because Other M is Yoshio Sakamoto’s definitive statement on the character of Samus Aran, one of the oldest and most iconic video game heroines (Metroid is arguably the second-oldest surviving franchise with a female protagonist). Until the release of Other M, Samus had received very little canon characterization. We knew very little about her, except that she was a woman, evidently powerful and brave enough to enter enemy strongholds and confront alien horrors alone. As a result, over the course of two and a half decades she became an empty vessel for the dreams and aspirations of at least two generations of gamers (many among them women). The characterization of Samus Aran is both personally and historically significant to many. [...] Third, because the relationship Other M depicts in such an idealized light is seriously screwed up in its own right. It also represents something which has been uncommon in video games until now; offhand, I can’t think of any other mainstream video game which has idealized this kind of relationship in this way. This deserves to be openly challenged, particularly given the rising popularity of similar relationships in other media. -- Forever LOLphins http://i.imgur.com/Uo04e.gif <cite>Westbrick posted [p:918083] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> I found this quote in one of the articles already posted, and I thought it'd be very relevant to all the people arguing that Metroid is a "gameplay series":It’s no secret that the video game industry tends to have very low writing standards, so unless a game’s plot or characters particularly stand out, gamers (and reviewers) have been conditioned to tune out the storytelling and focus on shooting stuff. Many players can tune out a game’s story completely and enjoy the gameplay on its own. This raises an obvious question: if it’s so bad, why can’t we just ignore Other M’s story and move on?I don’t think we have that luxury, for three reasons:The first reason is that Yoshio Sakamoto, Other M’s producer, director, and writer, clearly wants us to pay attention to it. Not only does the game have the usual unskippable cutscenes, it actually devotes an entire section of its in-game menu to keeping track of plot points and the characters you encounter over the course of the game. Every time you load a save game you’re greeted with a plot recap. Your reward for beating the game is even “Theater Mode”, all the game’s lovingly-rendered cutscenes strung together with pre-recorded adventure footage to make a feature-length movie without the distraction of gameplay. He meant for the story to be appreciated on its own terms, and went through great lengths to ensure that players would get the whole thing.He didn’t intend for his story to be ignored.Second, because Other M is Yoshio Sakamoto’s definitive statement on the character of Samus Aran, one of the oldest and most iconic video game heroines (Metroid is arguably the second-oldest surviving franchise with a female protagonist). Until the release of Other M, Samus had received very little canon characterization. We knew very little about her, except that she was a woman, evidently powerful and brave enough to enter enemy strongholds and confront alien horrors alone. As a result, over the course of two and a half decades she became an empty vessel for the dreams and aspirations of at least two generations of gamers (many among them women). The characterization of Samus Aran is both personally and historically significant to many.[...]Third, because the relationship Other M depicts in such an idealized light is seriously screwed up in its own right. It also represents something which has been uncommon in video games until now; offhand, I can’t think of any other mainstream video game which has idealized this kind of relationship in this way. This deserves to be openly challenged, particularly given the rising popularity of similar relationships in other media. -- Forever LOLphinshttp://i.imgur.com/Uo04e.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WazzupGenius00 03/19/12 7:28:00 PM #286:	Metroid is a gameplay series overall, though. It's just that Metroid: Other M is not a gameplay game -- http://i49.tinypic.com/anio39.gif <cite>WazzupGenius00 posted [p:918084] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> Metroid is a gameplay series overall, though. It's just that Metroid: Other M is not a gameplay game -- http://i49.tinypic.com/anio39.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Westbrick 03/19/12 7:30:00 PM #287:	Metroid is a gameplay series overall, though. It's just that Metroid: Other M is not a gameplay game Exactly my point! While the series has certainly been gameplay- and atmosphere-centric traditionally, Other M is so plot heavy and expository for Samus' character that it cannot be grandfathered in to the series norm. -- Forever LOLphins http://i.imgur.com/Uo04e.gif <cite>Westbrick posted [p:918085] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> Metroid is a gameplay series overall, though. It's just that Metroid: Other M is not a gameplay gameExactly my point! While the series has certainly been gameplay- and atmosphere-centric traditionally, Other M is so plot heavy and expository for Samus' character that it cannot be grandfathered in to the series norm. -- Forever LOLphinshttp://i.imgur.com/Uo04e.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WazzupGenius00 03/19/12 7:31:00 PM #288:	oh, gotcha, the way you introduced that quote made it sound to me like you were arguing that the series wasn't gameplay-centric. -- http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/8840/crashsig.jpg <cite>WazzupGenius00 posted [p:918086] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> oh, gotcha, the way you introduced that quote made it sound to me like you were arguing that the series wasn't gameplay-centric. -- http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/8840/crashsig.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master Epyon 03/19/12 7:34:00 PM #289:	And it's not like a story in the games can't be done well, either. Fusion has dialogue sequences that you can speed through but not skip fully, along with monologues that aren't skippable at all, yet the story in it isn't fundamentally bad and Fusion is overall an amazing experience. Metroid Prime tells a story through basically the scan visor yet succeeds at building a good atmosphere and a story that's engaging enough for the first 3D Metroid. Other M just forces the story in your face and falls flat. -- Geologists will date anything. <cite>Master Epyon posted [p:918087] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> And it's not like a story in the games can't be done well, either. Fusion has dialogue sequences that you can speed through but not skip fully, along with monologues that aren't skippable at all, yet the story in it isn't fundamentally bad and Fusion is overall an amazing experience. Metroid Prime tells a story through basically the scan visor yet succeeds at building a good atmosphere and a story that's engaging enough for the first 3D Metroid.Other M just forces the story in your face and falls flat. -- Geologists will date anything. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Goombacrusher07 03/20/12 2:07:00 PM #290:	Oh my God I almost forgot how hilarious slowbeef's Ridley voice is. Have to go rewatch his other Prime LP's now. Also Other M sucks or whatever. -- ENGAGE RIDLEY MOTHER FER* Why Metroid is and always will be awesome. <cite>Goombacrusher07 posted [p:918088] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> Oh my God I almost forgot how hilarious slowbeef's Ridley voice is. Have to go rewatch his other Prime LP's now.Also Other M sucks or whatever. -- ENGAGE RIDLEY MOTHER F***ERWhy Metroid is and always will be awesome. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Liquid Wind 03/21/12 9:13:00 AM #291:	you know as much as I've bashed on sakamoto for everything I saw someone make an interesting point recently ninja gaiden 3 has been getting destroyed left and right, I wonder if maybe team ninja had more influence on this game than we've been lead to believe? <cite>Liquid Wind posted [p:918089] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> you know as much as I've bashed on sakamoto for everything I saw someone make an interesting point recentlyninja gaiden 3 has been getting destroyed left and right, I wonder if maybe team ninja had more influence on this game than we've been lead to believe? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 03/21/12 10:15:00 AM #292:	They claim they had nothing to do with the story aspect and wanted to change things about it. However, Team Ninja probably had more to do with the mediocre gameplay too. -- Xbox GT: PrivateBiscuit1 Down with Zhang. Let there be Biscuit! <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:918090] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> They claim they had nothing to do with the story aspect and wanted to change things about it. However, Team Ninja probably had more to do with the mediocre gameplay too. -- Xbox GT: PrivateBiscuit1Down with Zhang. Let there be Biscuit! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Liwakip 03/21/12 10:18:00 AM #293:	I would love to see an example of a "worse-written," story-centric game that people love Mass Effect 3's ending. /thread -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] <cite>Liwakip posted [p:918091] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> I would love to see an example of a "worse-written," story-centric game that people loveMass Effect 3's ending./thread -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Liquid Wind 03/21/12 11:30:00 AM #294:	They claim they had nothing to do with the story aspect and wanted to change things about it. However, Team Ninja probably had more to do with the mediocre gameplay too. well we all know they had something to do with that! this is kind of an interesting take on it http://sparkylurkdragon.tumblr.com/post/19133543752/dissecting-other-m-a-dream-interpretation just like FFVIII, bad writing will always lead to "it was all a dream" theories. regardless of it being BS, if I were sakamoto I would take this and run with it <cite>Liquid Wind posted [p:918092] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> They claim they had nothing to do with the story aspect and wanted to change things about it. However, Team Ninja probably had more to do with the mediocre gameplay too.well we all know they had something to do with that!this is kind of an interesting take on ithttp://sparkylurkdragon.tumblr.com/post/19133543752/dissecting-other-m-a-dream-interpretationjust like FFVIII, bad writing will always lead to "it was all a dream" theories. regardless of it being BS, if I were sakamoto I would take this and run with it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Goombacrusher07 03/21/12 11:44:00 AM #295:	Believe me, Sakamoto is solely responsible for Other M's ruin. He was pretty much breathing down everyone's neck telling them to do what he wants and not betray his GRAND ARTISTIC VISION. The interviews where other developers compliment him read like they were being at gunpoint and forced to say whatever will help the game sell -- ENGAGE RIDLEY MOTHER FER* Why Metroid is and always will be awesome. <cite>Goombacrusher07 posted [p:918093] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> Believe me, Sakamoto is solely responsible for Other M's ruin. He was pretty much breathing down everyone's neck telling them to do what he wants and not betray his GRAND ARTISTIC VISION. The interviews where other developers compliment him read like they were being at gunpoint and forced to say whatever will help the game sell -- ENGAGE RIDLEY MOTHER F***ERWhy Metroid is and always will be awesome. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Liquid Wind 03/21/12 11:47:00 AM #296:	I was reading a thread about other m somewhere else and someone brought up a great point about that. if miyamoto blocked outside ideas in that manner OoT would have been a first person game that took place entirely in ganon's tower and there would have been no fishing minigame. he's often given credit for being a brilliant game designer but I think his understanding that it takes a team to make a great game is what really made him successful. when you surround yourself with yes men and don't allow dissent...you become george lucas. <cite>Liquid Wind posted [p:918094] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> I was reading a thread about other m somewhere else and someone brought up a great point about that. if miyamoto blocked outside ideas in that manner OoT would have been a first person game that took place entirely in ganon's tower and there would have been no fishing minigame. he's often given credit for being a brilliant game designer but I think his understanding that it takes a team to make a great game is what really made him successful. when you surround yourself with yes men and don't allow dissent...you become george lucas. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Haguile 03/21/12 11:59:00 AM #297:	From: Liquid Wind \| Posted: 3/21/2012 2:47:23 PM \| #296 I was reading a thread about other m somewhere else and someone brought up a great point about that. if miyamoto blocked outside ideas in that manner OoT would have been a first person game that took place entirely in ganon's tower and there would have been no fishing minigame. he's often given credit for being a brilliant game designer but I think his understanding that it takes a team to make a great game is what really made him successful. when you surround yourself with yes men and don't allow dissent...you become george lucas. That's true for fiction in general. You know what happens to writers who get protection from editors. Same deal. Generally, it can be hard to tell the difference between an idea you are in love with and an idea that's actually good. You need people to bounce your ideas around with and discuss them. Not to say you have to listen to everything they say, but sometimes you need to hear your own idea coming from somebody else's mouth to understand just how dumb it is. <cite>Haguile posted [p:918095] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> From: Liquid Wind \| Posted: 3/21/2012 2:47:23 PM \| #296I was reading a thread about other m somewhere else and someone brought up a great point about that. if miyamoto blocked outside ideas in that manner OoT would have been a first person game that took place entirely in ganon's tower and there would have been no fishing minigame. he's often given credit for being a brilliant game designer but I think his understanding that it takes a team to make a great game is what really made him successful. when you surround yourself with yes men and don't allow dissent...you become george lucas.That's true for fiction in general. You know what happens to writers who get protection from editors. Same deal. Generally, it can be hard to tell the difference between an idea you are in love with and an idea that's actually good. You need people to bounce your ideas around with and discuss them. Not to say you have to listen to everything they say, but sometimes you need to hear your own idea coming from somebody else's mouth to understand just how dumb it is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Liquid Wind 03/21/12 12:23:00 PM #298:	that's why I ended it with a film writer as an example, and it extends into really all art forms, at least as a music composer I've always thought critique was important...I mean I try to make stuff I like first and foremost but other people can give you lots of different perspectives and it is really helpful. you know sakamoto actually said that he had his wife play test super metroid? he went from that to stubbornly telling team ninja that using the nunchuk would be a mistake, among other things, how time changes people <cite>Liquid Wind posted [p:918096] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> that's why I ended it with a film writer as an example, and it extends into really all art forms, at least as a music composer I've always thought critique was important...I mean I try to make stuff I like first and foremost but other people can give you lots of different perspectives and it is really helpful. you know sakamoto actually said that he had his wife play test super metroid? he went from that to stubbornly telling team ninja that using the nunchuk would be a mistake, among other things, how time changes people </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrGreenonion 03/21/12 1:54:00 PM #299:	Yeah when you design in a vacuum you can easily get married to an idea that you really love and even when the rest of the design changes it doesn't fit any more, you're too in love with that one idea to see the value in removing it, and if you don't then the whole design suffers. This is true for any creative endeavor. -- SuperNiceDog didn't have to reconcile his name... But Dauntless Hunter is now MrGreenonion <cite>MrGreenonion posted [p:918097] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> Yeah when you design in a vacuum you can easily get married to an idea that you really love and even when the rest of the design changes it doesn't fit any more, you're too in love with that one idea to see the value in removing it, and if you don't then the whole design suffers. This is true for any creative endeavor. -- SuperNiceDog didn't have to reconcile his name...But Dauntless Hunter is now MrGreenonion </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Westbrick 03/22/12 6:25:00 AM #300:	I would love to see an example of a "worse-written," story-centric game that people love Mass Effect 3's ending. Great plot, terrible ending (or so I've heard). Beats horrible plot, horrible ending, I'd say! -- Tebow to Jests? http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png <cite>Westbrick posted [p:918098] in If you hav... [t:62269606]...</cite> <quote> I would love to see an example of a "worse-written," story-centric game that people loveMass Effect 3's ending.Great plot, terrible ending (or so I've heard). Beats horrible plot, horrible ending, I'd say! -- Tebow to Jests?http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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