Board 8 > Just beat Final Fantasy XIII. Thoughts and discussion. Spoilers! [dat Fang]

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CrimsonOcean
02/02/12 7:27:00 PM
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Woo!
Clocked in at right around 70 hours. Did about half the missions and completed stage 9 Crystarium plus picked up some extra abilities in other classes as needed. Disclaimer I just got an HDTV like 2 months ago and this is the first PS3 game I've played so I might be a little too amazed at the graphics for my own good. Anyway...

Game play: Really fun and fast paced. I felt like every small battle was like an epic fight and I think that's what they were going for. Animations were pretty, flashy, and interesting. I had no freaking clue how Eidolons worked until like 2/3rds of the way through the game, and I could probably count on one hand the amount of times I actually used them. It was weird having a summon that didn't really do anything. But even still, the introduction animations were pretty beautiful.
Overall score: 8.5/10. Loses points for useless Eidolons and Auto battle (even though I almost exclusively used it >__>)

Story: Good but reeeeeally confusing. A lot of it is hidden in the datalog and in extras like the Episode I novella. If you just play the game without reading anything it would be kind of difficult to put all the pieces together. Possible, but just lacking. Also I was immensely confused about Sanctum l’Cie and Pulse l’Cie and Sanctum fal’Cie and Pulse fal’Cie and Pulse and Gran Pulse and Cocoon what the hell is going on and what the hell is the difference? Obviously I have it all straight now, but I’d say for a good 50-60% of the game I was super confused. I think story is where this game fell a little bit short. Not necessarily on the story itself, but on the execution. Extend a few scenes and add a few scenes and a lot of the confusion would dissipate imo.

Overall score: 7.5/10

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CrimsonOcean
02/02/12 7:27:00 PM
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Characters: In my opinion the absolute high point of the game. I felt the characters were all individuals with their own unique design and personality. Were some of them a little trope-y? Sure. But they all worked and they all brought something important to the table. The dialog could have been better in some spots, but overall it works just fine. I even found myself not hating Hope. I mean, I didn’t like him, but I didn’t loath him either. And for a kid character I’d say that’s A+ work.
Lightning: Going in to FFXIII I was 100% positive Lightning was going to be my new favorite FF character. And she very much delivered. She basically just punched people in the face whenever she felt like it.
Snow: Good VA, cool design. I’ve never been a fan of the cheerful male hero type character, but I liked Snow.
Sazh: Chocobo fro! Sazh made me laugh more than anyone else in the game. He had some pretty good one liners, and the scene in Nautilus with he and Vanille was really well done in my opinion. I was actually shocked when he turned the gun on himself.
Hope: Eh. I actually liked the little mentor relationship he had with Lightning. It was kind of cute. The whole vendetta against Snow for half the game was kind of poorly done in my opinion though.
Vanille: So adorbs. And despite popular opinion I actually liked her voice. Not the cookie cutter kawaii desu~ voice those types of characters usually get. The delivery could have been a bit better, but overall props.
Fang: What even has to be said about Fang? Possibly the greatest character of all time let’s be honest. Blindsided me and completely trumped Lightning.

Fang > Lightning >>> Vanille > Sazh > Snow > Hope
Overall score: 9.5/10. Hope being a little kid and Snow being cheesy drag it down slightly.

Music: Very good. This might be the first video game that has music that might find its way to my iPod eventually. Especially enjoy Fang’s theme and Vanille’s theme. Only thing that was a little weird sometimes were some dungeons with Sazh. The jazz thing is cool but didn’t fit with the setting at all. It was just kind of a strange atmosphere. I even thought the Leona Lewis song was well placed >__>

Overall score: 9/10

Graphics: I would have loved to have a few more cinematic cut scenes because they were so beautiful I thought my eyes were going to melt out of my face. For example the grand prix scene in Eden. Yeah. Basically amazing.

Overall score: 8/10. Graphics were good, but I wish there were just more cut scenes and that some of them were longer. I felt like I did a lot of killing and didn’t get a lot of pay off.

Overall: 8.5. I’d actually give the overall experience of the game more like a 9.5/10. I liked the linearity, I liked the lack of side quests, and I liked pretty much everything about what was going on in front of me.

Question. What was up with Fang straight up going to murder Vanille there at the end? I really was not understanding what they were going for there.

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SHINE GET 64
02/02/12 7:29:00 PM
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because she'd rather Vanille die by her own hand then being turned into Ragnarok (Which Vanille really did not want to) or turn Cie'th.

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Menji76
02/02/12 7:30:00 PM
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hey someone that liked it! Haven't seen one in quite some time.

Are you starting 13-2 now?

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swordz9
02/02/12 7:31:00 PM
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CrimsonOcean posted...
and Snow being cheesy drag it down slightly.

But....STEELGUARD! I guess he can be kind of cheesy sometimes, but he was a fun character with a great voice actor. I enjoyed the game as well and plan on getting XIII-2 soon. Nice to see some Fang and Lightning love.

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LeonhartFour
02/02/12 7:31:00 PM
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From: CrimsonOcean | #002
Question. What was up with Fang straight up going to murder Vanille there at the end? I really was not understanding what they were going for there.


I think Fang was going to kill her so Orphan couldn't make her become Ragnarok, or something along those lines. I'd have to go back and check on that.

But glad you loved the characters, too! We're in the minority on that!

What was your favorite Chapter in the game? To me, it was definitely 7. So much goodness.

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DeathChicken
02/02/12 7:33:00 PM
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Yeah, that was when Orphan was all 'Raar, me torture Vanille until become Ragnarok', so Fang was all 'I'll kill you to make it stop'

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CrimsonOcean
02/02/12 7:34:00 PM
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SHINE GET 64 posted...
because she'd rather Vanille die by her own hand then being turned into Ragnarok (Which Vanille really did not want to) or turn Cie'th.

Oookay. I thought it was kind of something like that. Like she'd rather kill her than see her forced into turning into Ragnarok or something. But it was just really unclear to me.

I'm starting the FFXIII-2 demo pretty soon. I'll have to see how that goes before I go out and buy the whole game. I don't really like what I see so far in the previews. I don't really care a lot for Serah, she's ok, but Noel looks terrible and I don't really think I'm going to be into the whole monster fighting thing. So. We'll see!

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SHINE GET 64
02/02/12 7:38:00 PM
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what about Noel in one of his DLC costumes that makes him look like Limit Sora

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LeonhartFour
02/02/12 7:40:00 PM
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Assassin's Creed Noel is where it's at.

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SHINE GET 64
02/02/12 7:40:00 PM
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also ertyu must be absolutely livid right now LMAO

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CrimsonOcean
02/02/12 7:41:00 PM
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LeonhartFour posted...
What was your favorite Chapter in the game? To me, it was definitely 7. So much goodness.

Hmm. That's a tough one. My favorite scene by far is the grand prix, followed by the airship ride into Gran Pulse. Chapter wise, 7 was pretty epic. The whole Palumpolum thing was great. I also really liked Chapter 9. It's a tough call.

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SHINE GET 64
02/02/12 7:42:00 PM
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CrimsonOcean
02/02/12 7:42:00 PM
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ertyu told me I had to post a screen shot or a video beating the game or he wouldn't believe that I did it lol. The final boss wasn't really even that hard >__> Took me 1 try for the first part, 2 for the second, and 1 for the third.

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SHINE GET 64
02/02/12 7:44:00 PM
#15:


gold trophy for 5-starring Orphan!

I think that took me 3 attempts because I made some dumb mistakes my first two times

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LeonhartFour
02/02/12 7:45:00 PM
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Not only do you get a gold trophy, you get a Lightning background!

It's been my background for two years, mmmm.

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NeoElfboy
02/02/12 7:45:00 PM
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But glad you loved the characters, too! We're in the minority on that!

Are we? I thought they managed pretty good scores in that "rate the FF characters thread"! Except Hope but everyone saw that coming. Regardless, I'm totally with you. One of the best RPG casts ever.

FF13 so good, glad to see someone else love it for what it is.

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Sorozone
02/02/12 7:46:00 PM
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Yea Orphan is easy. At least compared to some of the later mission fights.

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CrimsonOcean
02/02/12 7:47:00 PM
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Glad to see other people like the cast as well! I think it's a really big strong point for the game.

And I'm going for the Fang background. Awe yeah owning every piece of equipment here I come!

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SHINE GET 64
02/02/12 7:48:00 PM
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fun fact

I don't know if they ever fixed it with a patch or firmware update, but the Serah wallpaper you unlock for getting the platinum is glitched and if you have it up as your theme it'll cause your PS3 to freeze when you try to load up any game

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CrimsonOcean
02/02/12 7:52:00 PM
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Good to know Shine!

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UItimaterializer
02/02/12 7:55:00 PM
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Glad we have most of the same opinions on this game. We may actually get along yet.

"Fang > Lightning >>> Vanille > Sazh > Snow > Hope
Overall score: 9.5/10. Hope being a little kid and Snow being cheesy drag it down slightly."

I think you overrate Lightning though. I thought she was just a douche for the sake of being a douche, whereas Fang and Vanille have good reasons for it. And yeah, Fang is my favorite character in the series, I love her to death, both as a character but ESPECIALLY in fights. B**** is just broken as hell.

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CrimsonOcean
02/02/12 8:00:00 PM
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Got that right Ulti. It only took using her a few times for me to realize she freaking destroys everything. I might over rate Lightning a little, but I think it might just be TLF (the lesbian factor) working its way in.

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LeonhartFour
02/02/12 8:04:00 PM
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Nah, Lightning's pretty great.

She also has plenty of reason to be a jerk to Snow because she believes Serah's dead and it's his fault.

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LeonhartFour
02/02/12 8:05:00 PM
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Also, they're doomed to an inescapable fate and it's also his fault.

Something along those lines.

Either way, her attitude is pretty understandable.

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Mr Crispy
02/02/12 8:22:00 PM
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I just started last week.

Been trying to get through about a chapter a day, trying to pace myself. On chapter 10 now. Probably take a break on the game and play something else for a bit after hitting chapter 11 to avoid burning out after it starts really opening up.

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NeoElfboy
02/02/12 9:02:00 PM
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Yeah, it's pretty hard not to see where Lightning is coming from with regards to Snow.

Anyway, I think my own ranking is:
Lightning > Snow ~= Hope > Vanille > Sazh ~= Fang

... but I really can't emphasise enough how much I like this cast, I don't think there's another cast out there where I like my "least liked" PC this much. I see the TC's hype for Fang who is tied for my least favourite and it makes me happy, which is a wonderful feeling. Of course some of this may be related to Ulti being totally right how fun and powerful she is in battle.

(And yeah I know I'm weird for liking Hope, but what can I say? I thought the game totally sold me on him being an emotional teenager who has had to endure a really terrible few days and him channelling his anger against Snow made perfect sense in context to me.)

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LeonhartFour
02/02/12 9:05:00 PM
#28:


Lightning > Sazh > Hope > Snow > Fang > Vanille

But yeah, all great. Vanille being last certainly doesn't mean I dislike her by any means.

Snow has my single favorite moment in the game though.

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CrimsonOcean
02/03/12 7:10:00 AM
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What's that Leon?

Neo, it's understandable that someone would like Hope. I actually thought he was a pretty well done character myself. And yeah, just because he's at the end of my ranking doesn't mean I don't like him. It just means I don't like his as much as everyone else lol. But yeah, characterization was great in this game. Just out of curiosity, what makes Fang your least favorite?

And Mr Crispy that's definitely a good idea. Once that game starts opening up you spend so much more time just fighting and doing random stuff. I think I spend a good 20 hours just hanging out in Gran Pulse doing missions and buffing up and just exploring.

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Leebo86
02/03/12 7:14:00 AM
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Refreshing to see someone look so highly upon the game. I think you like it more than even the people who have been in the positive camp since the beginning.

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Panthera
02/03/12 7:43:00 AM
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I've never gotten why people are so fond of Fang, she's the blandest member of the party, doesn't really do or say anything interesting besides her involvement with the ending sequence around the final boss fights, which is not necessarily the kind of "interesting" you want to be associated with <_<

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SHINE GET 64
02/03/12 7:44:00 AM
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accent

strongest fighter

dat body

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SHINE GET 64
02/03/12 7:51:00 AM
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good thing XIII-2 completely redeems Hope. Makes you forget how he was in XIII

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SHINE GET 64
02/03/12 7:58:00 AM
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Tornadoman78
02/03/12 8:06:00 AM
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one big what ever and dont care if you did by the way wheres the screen shot of the ending of the game i dont belive you in till you post it

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CrimsonOcean
02/03/12 8:11:00 AM
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All the reasons Fang is the best:
Her VA is a major bad ass
Super hot
Super strong
So gay
Bahamut
Doesn't give a **** about being slapped
Pretty much just runs things like a boss
Sort of a mix of Lightning and Snow (lol) in the leader role. Stubborn, funny, and ass kicking.
Dat hair. Her hair is like happiness and magic.

Also, isn't FFXIII-2 only like 3 years after FFXIII? How does Hope look so old and Serah looks the same? Or is this one of those time warp things?

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SHINE GET 64
02/03/12 8:15:00 AM
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I think when you meet Hope it might be 10 years later, not exactly sure since I haven't played it yet!

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Leebo86
02/03/12 8:19:00 AM
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Yeah, that's from 10 years in the future. And that's relative to the present, which is 3 years after the ending of XIII.

Wait nevermind, 10 years after the end of XIII, 7 years in the future for the XIII-2 characters.

It's confusing.

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Xuxon
02/03/12 8:19:00 AM
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Hope was 14 and still really small and scrawny, implying late puberty. Serah was already an adult. Of course Hope is going to change more.

Oh, it's 10 years later than that too? Didn't know that.

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CrimsonOcean
02/03/12 8:33:00 AM
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Oh ok, makes sense. I think >__>

Is anyone playing XIII-2? Any thoughts so far?

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SHINE GET 64
02/03/12 8:47:00 AM
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yeah the english acting in XIII and XIII-2 is superb.

now the content of the lines they say is a different matter, but the delivering of those lines is excellent

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Mac Arrowny
02/03/12 8:49:00 AM
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From: CrimsonOcean | #042
Is anyone playing XIII-2? Any thoughts so far?


Amazing game. Good contender for game of the generation.

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Ayuyu
02/03/12 8:49:00 AM
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From: Mac Arrowny | #045
Amazing game. Good contender for game of the generation.


You're joking right?

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SHINE GET 64
02/03/12 8:50:00 AM
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I think for the most part you can definitively say it's better than XIII in every department other than music

how far that takes you I guess is based on how much you liked XIII

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CrimsonOcean
02/03/12 8:56:00 AM
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Wow, seriously? I might have to give it a shot then. I've been kind of going back and forth on whether or not I want to get it, but if it's that damn good looks like I've got no choice.

And yeah Nio, the english VAs all did a really excellent job. You should watch clips or something if you can find them!

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RyokIes
02/03/12 8:57:00 AM
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13-2 has been fun as hell so far! granted i'm only an hour or so in but still, loads of fun

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