Board 8 > "99 weeks [of unemployment] is an associate's degree"

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Mershaaay
01/17/12 9:32:00 AM
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Not that I am a huge Newt fan, but this articulates exactly what we as conservatives believe.

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MarvelousGerbil
01/17/12 9:34:00 AM
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Considering there' plenty of people with Bachelor's Degrees and higher that are unemployed, I don't see how this is helpful.

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SlymDayspring
01/17/12 9:36:00 AM
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are you suggesting that the government pay for the schooling of unemployed people? otherwise this makes no sense.

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MarvelousGerbil
01/17/12 9:37:00 AM
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SlymDayspring posted...
are you suggesting that the government pay for the schooling of unemployed people? otherwise this makes no sense.

To be fair, that's pretty much what FAFSA does. "you're lower class, LOL here's a big pile of money, feel free to fail out, whatever. Suck it middle class"

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Mershaaay
01/17/12 9:37:00 AM
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SlymDayspring posted...
are you suggesting that the government pay for the schooling of unemployed people? otherwise this makes no sense.

yes, incentivize unemployment benefits

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muddersmilk
01/17/12 9:40:00 AM
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So how many weeks do I get for my Bachelor's degree?

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KingButz
01/17/12 9:40:00 AM
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From: MarvelousGerbil | #004
SlymDayspring posted...
are you suggesting that the government pay for the schooling of unemployed people? otherwise this makes no sense.

To be fair, that's pretty much what FAFSA does. "you're lower class, LOL here's a big pile of money, feel free to fail out, whatever. Suck it middle class"


As opposed to parents going to their children and saying "you're my child, LOL here's a big pile of money, feel free to fail out, whatever. Suck it lower class"

FAFSA helped pay for my college education because, you know, I didn't have rich-ass parents to pay it for me.

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DeathChicken
01/17/12 9:41:00 AM
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FAFSA will drop you out of your grant if you fail to get a certain amount of credits (I think it's 9 per semester), so no

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MarvelousGerbil
01/17/12 9:43:00 AM
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KingButz posted...
From: MarvelousGerbil | #004
SlymDayspring posted...
are you suggesting that the government pay for the schooling of unemployed people? otherwise this makes no sense.

To be fair, that's pretty much what FAFSA does. "you're lower class, LOL here's a big pile of money, feel free to fail out, whatever. Suck it middle class"
As opposed to parents going to their children and saying "you're my child, LOL here's a big pile of money, feel free to fail out, whatever. Suck it lower class"

FAFSA helped pay for my college education because, you know, I didn't have rich-ass parents to pay it for me.


If you actually got through, then that's cool, I'm just bitter because my parents made enough money for me to get nothing from FAFSA and not enough to give me any money for college, so I had to work a job while maintaining a 3.7 while I knew plenty of people who maintained a 2.3 for 4 years. I hate failouts who got a free ride regardless of who it came from, I just wish FAFSA had some kind of standard other than "don't fail out."

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Altimadark
01/17/12 9:43:00 AM
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There's usually more planning involved in college than "Oh, I just lost my job, guess I'll go to college for the next two years." Among other things, how are you paying for tuition without income?

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masterplum
01/17/12 9:45:00 AM
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From: KingButz | #006
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To be fair, that's pretty much what FAFSA does. "you're lower class, LOL here's a big pile of money, feel free to fail out, whatever. Suck it middle class"[quoted text]




As opposed to parents going to their children and saying "you're my child, LOL here's a big pile of money, feel free to fail out, whatever. Suck it lower class"

FAFSA helped pay for my college education because, you know, I didn't have rich-ass parents to pay it for me.


This. I got FAFSA money and have a 3.6 GPA. Suck it >_>

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Mershaaay
01/17/12 9:47:00 AM
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The point of the video is that we shouldn't be throwing money at people for sitting on their ass for 2 years

Cut unemployment benefits unless the person is actively trying to do something better with their lives

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Altimadark
01/17/12 9:49:00 AM
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KingButz posted...
FAFSA helped pay for my college education because, you know, I didn't have rich-ass parents to pay it for me.

I didn't qualify for FAFSA, so I had to get a job and earn money to take classes.

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EndOfDiscOne
01/17/12 9:52:00 AM
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Mershaaay posted...
The point of the video is that we shouldn't be throwing money at people for sitting on their ass for 2 years

Cut unemployment benefits unless the person is actively trying to do something better with their lives


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muddersmilk
01/17/12 9:52:00 AM
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FAFSA doesn't always pay for everything and it usually involves a lot of loans that will need to be paid back.

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LowCalorieH2O
01/17/12 9:55:00 AM
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Yeah unemployment should totally go.

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SlymDayspring
01/17/12 9:57:00 AM
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To be fair, that's pretty much what FAFSA does. "you're lower class, LOL here's a big pile of money, feel free to fail out, whatever. Suck it middle class"

uh, wtf are you talking about? I am unemployed but my parents make good money so FAFSA does not help me out one bit. If I was a couple years older, then I would qualify, but FAFSA assumes your parents will pay for everything for you until you are 24. That is a bit ridiculous.

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Metal_DK
01/17/12 10:07:00 AM
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Lol cuz associate degrees are worth a damn right? The economy were in right now is basically if you don't have a 4 year degree (in a math, science, engineering, or health care I should add) from a fairly big named school (usually that means it needs a D1 football team) you are a dime a dozen.

Nixon and Reagan really screwed this country over by ridding just about all manufacturing in the USA. It all is a snowball effect from Nixon opening trade with china.

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neonreap
01/17/12 10:07:00 AM
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The sentiment of putting a program in place to get unemployed workers back into the workforce, proactively, is great. That said "associate's degree" just sorta shows how out of touch these guys can be.

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ExThaNemesis
01/17/12 10:09:00 AM
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From: KingButz | #006
As opposed to parents going to their children and saying "you're my child, LOL here's a big pile of money, feel free to fail out, whatever. Suck it **MIDDLE CLASS AGAIN"


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MarvelousGerbil
01/17/12 10:10:00 AM
#21:


SlymDayspring posted...
To be fair, that's pretty much what FAFSA does. "you're lower class, LOL here's a big pile of money, feel free to fail out, whatever. Suck it middle class"

uh, wtf are you talking about? I am unemployed but my parents make good money so FAFSA does not help me out one bit. If I was a couple years older, then I would qualify, but FAFSA assumes your parents will pay for everything for you until you are 24. That is a bit ridiculous.


Everyone between the ages of 18 and 24 have that same problem, it's an inherently flawed system.

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SlymDayspring
01/17/12 10:14:00 AM
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Everyone between the ages of 18 and 24 have that same problem, it's an inherently flawed system.

that is exactly what I said. I was saying that your reply to me made no sense, as you equated 'unemployed people' with 'poor people who FAFSA gives free money to' when that clearly is not the case for all unemployed people.

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MarvelousGerbil
01/17/12 10:17:00 AM
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SlymDayspring posted...
Everyone between the ages of 18 and 24 have that same problem, it's an inherently flawed system.

that is exactly what I said. I was saying that your reply to me made no sense, as you equated 'unemployed people' with 'poor people who FAFSA gives free money to' when that clearly is not the case for all unemployed people.


They're similar enough that we can already see how good any government program that funds college educations would be run. And as has already been said, "lol Associate's Degrees" if that's all they'd be willing to fund.

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Mershaaay
01/17/12 10:22:00 AM
#24:


neonreap posted...
The sentiment of putting a program in place to get unemployed workers back into the workforce, proactively, is great. That said "associate's degree" just sorta shows how out of touch these guys can be.

You don't think an associates wouldn't be a step up some black guy in Baltimore?

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MarvelousGerbil
01/17/12 10:24:00 AM
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Mershaaay posted...
neonreap posted...
The sentiment of putting a program in place to get unemployed workers back into the workforce, proactively, is great. That said "associate's degree" just sorta shows how out of touch these guys can be.

You don't think an associates wouldn't be a step up some black guy in Baltimore?


So they get an associate's degree and now they're unemployed, but have an associate's degree.

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SlymDayspring
01/17/12 10:24:00 AM
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Associates degrees are completely useless unless you are going to transfer to get your bachelors degree

I can't think of a single job that an associates allows you to get that you couldn't get without one.

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shadosneko
01/17/12 10:28:00 AM
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From: Metal_DK | #018
Lol cuz associate degrees are worth a damn right? The economy were in right now is basically if you don't have a 4 year degree (in a math, science, engineering, or health care I should add) from a fairly big named school (usually that means it needs a D1 football team) you are a dime a dozen.

Nixon and Reagan really screwed this country over by ridding just about all manufacturing in the USA. It all is a snowball effect from Nixon opening trade with china.


My school doesn't have a football team, but it's a pretty highly ranked one.

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KingButz
01/17/12 10:29:00 AM
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I thought I should clarify. I worked my way through my first 2 years of school because my parents made too much for me to qualify. However, when I was married at age 22, I was financially independent and qualified for FAFSA.

That being said, I still work full-time because FAFSA doesn't pay all my bills. Nobody better think that FAFSA got me off scot-free.

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neonreap
01/17/12 10:30:00 AM
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Mershaaay posted...
neonreap posted...
The sentiment of putting a program in place to get unemployed workers back into the workforce, proactively, is great. That said "associate's degree" just sorta shows how out of touch these guys can be.

You don't think an associates wouldn't be a step up some black guy in Baltimore?


What jobs does it help him compete for? Too many people with bachelor's degrees for an associate's degree to really equip someone to compete.

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foolm0ron
01/17/12 10:33:00 AM
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From: SantaRPG | #027
I can think of at least 50. If you can't find any jobs that are hiring people with associates, you're not looking hard enough


duh, you expect me to put effort into finding a job?

It's not like a need a job to live, gimme dem unemployment checks

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neonreap
01/17/12 10:33:00 AM
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SantaRPG posted...
From: SlymDayspring | #026
Associates degrees are completely useless unless you are going to transfer to get your bachelors degree

I can't think of a single job that an associates allows you to get that you couldn't get without one.
I can think of at least 50. If you can't find any jobs that are hiring people with associates, you're not looking hard enough


list 25 and don't include ones that are being filled by people with bachelor's degrees

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Mershaaay
01/17/12 10:40:00 AM
#33:


neonreap posted...
You don't think an associates wouldn't be a step up some black guy in Baltimore?

What jobs does it help him compete for? Too many people with bachelor's degrees for an associate's degree to really equip someone to compete.



Clerical work and the like.

Also, switch "associate degree" with "technical certificate" and you open up about 100 career paths. Not saying it's great work or high-paying, but certainly better than slangin'.

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foolm0ron
01/17/12 10:41:00 AM
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From: neonreap | #032
list 25 and don't include ones that are being filled by people with bachelor's degrees


babysitter
drug dealer
billboard painter
traveling antiques appraiser

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Zachnorn
01/17/12 10:48:00 AM
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I've been recommended some jobs that I could do with just an AS degree. Jobs that require or prefer an AS. Mostly in information technology.

I decided to continue my education instead, but yeah. Anecdotal evidence, blah blah blah. Just saying.

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OmarsComin
01/17/12 10:53:00 AM
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so how many of you have actually received significant money from FAFSA? my experience with FAFSA was that it was a great place to look if you wanted to go into debt.
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Zachnorn
01/17/12 10:59:00 AM
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Gah, people calling the financial aid system FASFA. >_>

Anyway...

I used to get all federal and state aid that would cover everything plus some other expenses, but now I transferred and so my costs rose. Only a fraction of the aid I get are grants from the federal and state government. It's mostly private grants and loans, with a few government loans. It also includes only tuition and $200 or so for books. No money for living expenses, transportation expenses, food, nothing. I'm going to be in debt for years to come. Also, my expected family contribution is $0.

I'd say that I'm in about $15,000 in debt.

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SlymDayspring
01/17/12 11:03:00 AM
#39:


I can think of at least 50. If you can't find any jobs that are hiring people with associates, you're not looking hard enough

dude seriously? I mean, maybe there are a few, but I HAVE an associates degree, and every time I looked the only thing that actually asked for one was like, manager of a movie theater, but you still had to have way more experience than I had.

though I do agree that technical certificates can help, associates degrees are pretty much just stepping stones in this work environment.

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ExThaNemesis
01/17/12 11:03:00 AM
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From: Zachnorn | #038
Also, my expected family contribution is $0.


How did you pull this off? My EFC is too high so I barely get any money for my (relatively) cheap tuition and it leaves me barely scraping by at this point. If my EFC were lower I would get more money in loans and I could live better and focus on my grades more.

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LordoftheMorons
01/17/12 11:11:00 AM
#41:


Metal_DK posted...
Lol cuz associate degrees are worth a damn right? The economy were in right now is basically if you don't have a 4 year degree (in a math, science, engineering, or health care I should add) from a fairly big named school (usually that means it needs a D1 football team) you are a dime a dozen.

Actually the science degrees are mostly pretty useless if you stop after undergrad, since they don't teach you any immediately applicable skills. Like, if I were not to apply to grad school, I would be way worse off with my math and physics degrees than someone who had done computer science, EE, statistics or something, because what I can do is basically those things, except an employer is thinking "I might as well take someone who actually has one of those degrees so I'm positive they know the basics." Pretty unfortunate considering getting a physics degree is just as difficult as getting one of the more challenging engineering degrees.

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SlymDayspring
01/17/12 11:13:00 AM
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However, with just an undergrad science degree, you can pretty easily get a high/middle school teaching job!

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ExThaNemesis
01/17/12 11:16:00 AM
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From: Zachnorn | #043
Also, I don't have a lot of money, even with a $0 EFC. The money I get barely pays for tuition. Granted, I go to a private university, but people at public universities (even the cheapest ones) have the same issue.


Barely covering my tuition would be a HUGE improvement for me at this point hahaha.

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kevwaffles
01/17/12 11:16:00 AM
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From: Mershaaay | #012
The point of the video is that we shouldn't be throwing money at people for sitting on their ass for 2 years

Cut unemployment benefits unless the person is actively trying to do something better with their lives


It is required that you are actively searching for a job, though the enforcement could be better. Coverage also doesn't last nearly 99 weeks, at least in my state. And on that note, it's also not handled by the federal government or payed with by income tax dollars at all.

But no, this is something a presidential candidate should focus on, mostly because people have no idea how it works.

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Zachnorn
01/17/12 11:17:00 AM
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How did you pull this off? My EFC is too high so I barely get any money for my (relatively) cheap tuition and it leaves me barely scraping by at this point. If my EFC were lower I would get more money in loans and I could live better and focus on my grades more.

I live in a two-person household with just me and my mom (working, but couldn't get enough hours due to cuts in her job). My dad is retired and trying to get a job, but nobody's hiring.

Also, I don't have a lot of money, even with a $0 EFC. The money I get barely pays for tuition. Granted, I go to a private university, but people at public universities (even the cheapest ones) have the same issue.

EDIT: Another thing is that I do not have a job. I know some people that have gotten jobs, and that only led to cuts in financial aid benefits, unless the jobs were work study jobs.

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foolm0ron
01/17/12 11:18:00 AM
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From: Zachnorn | #043
but people at public universities (even the cheapest ones) have the same issue


Not me. I've been getting a ****ton of money that pays for living expenses and more, and each year its been increasing. I don't think these financial aid people know how to count.

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KingButz
01/17/12 11:20:00 AM
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I only get $2000/semester right now from FAFSA. It supplements my income but since my household income was ~$33,000 last year I expect I will be getting less money next semester.

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ExThaNemesis
01/17/12 11:21:00 AM
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From: foolm0ron | #046
Not me. I've been getting a ****ton of money that pays for living expenses and more, and each year its been increasing. I don't think these financial aid people know how to count.


This is what drives me friggin bonkers. Fool I don't know what your family situation is but if you're getting everything including living expenses paid for, I feel like I should at least get my full tuition. It's not as if I'd stop working but it would make it so that I could have a weekend off when I have a paper due and my life would just be a lot simpler.

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OmarsComin
01/17/12 11:21:00 AM
#49:


It's all rhetoric anyway. "I want to teach people how to have jobs, not food stamps!" or whatever. Sounds great. How is he going to accomplish that? Cut funding for food stamps and use the now available money to cut taxes on corporatations? Oh.

What he would say if he was being truth is "I want to cut all programs that help the poor, use that money to give tax breaks on the rich, and pretend that this will create jobs. If this doesn't work, I am open to child labor. Why only make poor adults participate in wage slavery? Kids can work for minimum wage too."
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OmarsComin
01/17/12 11:23:00 AM
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I didn't get jack **** throughout college and I didn't know anyone who did either. "only $2000/semester" jeez. That would've been 16,000 off the 23,000 in debt I ended school with.
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