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CherryCokes
12/06/11 10:27:00 PM
#451:


Any hockey fan with half a brain could have told you that Rask was a risky start tonight. Back-to-back after an emotional win in Pittsburgh, plus 1300 or so miles of travel? They didn't come out flat, at least, but that had the makings of trap game all over it (and they still probably should have won, or at least gone to OT)

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SuarezYNWA
12/07/11 9:13:00 AM
#452:


Ho hum...Tampa looking absolutely horrible. Look for a shake-up if things continue the way they have. Washington still looking horrible hope that the Sens can capitalize (lol) on that tonight.

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rammtay
12/07/11 9:14:00 AM
#453:


this new playoff format is god awful.
It will make for some boring playoffs over and over again, plus it favours the east.
Awful, awful realignment. Terrible.

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rammtay
12/07/11 9:15:00 AM
#454:


I always hoped for a CGY/EDM west final, now that will never happen. Terrible realignment.

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SuarezYNWA
12/07/11 9:15:00 AM
#455:


The realignment is actually perfect. Divisional playoffs are awesome, and the new schedule is much better than the arbitrary schedule of today.

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ExThaNemesis
12/07/11 9:19:00 AM
#456:


From: CherryCokes | #451
They didn't come out flat, at least, but that had the makings of trap game all over it (and they still probably should have won, or at least gone to OT)


Yeah I think the most impressive thing about watching the Bruins Monday night is watching how hard they play. ALL THE TIME. They don't let up. Or at least they didn't against us, and it showed.

We were very flat, and it seemed like we didn't bring the energy that was required to match Boston. No excuse for not putting in one of those 5-on-3s. None.

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rammtay
12/07/11 9:24:00 AM
#457:


the schedule is better, but the playoffs are a joke. Plus the favour for the eastern teams.

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SuarezYNWA
12/07/11 9:44:00 AM
#458:


rammtay posted...
the schedule is better, but the playoffs are a joke. Plus the favour for the eastern teams.

In what way is the favour to the Eastern teams?

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RappinHobo9292
12/07/11 9:47:00 AM
#459:


From: rammtay | #457
the schedule is better, but the playoffs are a joke. Plus the favour for the eastern teams.


The reason they put 8 teams in Conference A is because Phoenix is expected to move to Quebec next season.

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rammtay
12/07/11 9:57:00 AM
#460:


In what way is the favour to the Eastern teams?

8 teams in both western conferences. 7 in both eastern conferences.


Doesn't take rocket science to figure it out.

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Kibago
12/07/11 10:35:00 AM
#461:


yeah though they can't come out and say it, I'm sure they're expecting Phoenix->QC and therefore they'll be joining the Leafs Nation Conference anyway

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TimJab
12/07/11 11:16:00 AM
#462:


From: rammtay | #460
In what way is the favour to the Eastern teams?

8 teams in both western conferences. 7 in both eastern conferences.


Doesn't take rocket science to figure it out.


i don't really see what the problem is

there are still the same number of playoff spots

it's not like a 5th place finish will make the playoffs in one conference and not the other

you wanna make the playoffs, then finish top 4

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sonten1
12/07/11 11:19:00 AM
#463:


Why exactly can't they just keep the playoff format of seeding the top 8 teams from the west and the east

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charmander6000
12/07/11 11:30:00 AM
#464:


Except 4/8 =/= 4/7

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ExThaNemesis
12/07/11 11:33:00 AM
#465:


the reallignment is stupid. No need to fix something that was working just fine. Don't get it at all.

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sonten1
12/07/11 11:35:00 AM
#466:


Also they could have at least waited to see if Phoenix actually does move to Quebec

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rammtay
12/07/11 11:35:00 AM
#467:


there are still the same number of playoff spots

it's not like a 5th place finish will make the playoffs in one conference and not the other


more competition, genius.

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AlecTrevelyan006
12/07/11 11:41:00 AM
#468:


Surprise: two expansion teams over the winter.

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TimJab
12/07/11 11:43:00 AM
#469:


i'm aware of that rammtay

what i'm saying is, the top 4 teams are the top 4 teams regardless of how many teams there are

i haven't looked at the divisions, is there one where 5 of the 7 teams are legitimately good?

edit: it seems more likely that the 8th team in each conference is ****

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rammtay
12/07/11 11:44:00 AM
#470:


it's hard enough to make the playoffs in the bestern conference, now it will be harder.
Crappy leastern teams still make the playoffs, and they will make it even more now with this new moronic format.

This is terrible.
Worst possible realignment and worst possible playoff format.


****ing terrible.

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Not Dave
12/07/11 2:47:00 PM
#471:


Crosby's gonna be out the next two games.

**** my weekly league.

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Not Dave
12/07/11 4:58:00 PM
#472:


beauty passing play by the sabres

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EdgarAllenBro
12/07/11 5:01:00 PM
#473:


ExThaNemesis posted...
the reallignment is stupid. No need to fix something that was working just fine. Don't get it at all.

I can't tell if you're being serious

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SmartMuffin
12/07/11 5:02:00 PM
#474:


It's ExTha. He has an irrational hatred for the Red Wings, so yeah...

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RappinHobo9292
12/07/11 5:23:00 PM
#475:


It's like the entire league hates Ottawa.

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Not Dave
12/07/11 5:24:00 PM
#476:


the entire reffing staff does!

especially when Neil is playing

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SmartMuffin
12/07/11 5:24:00 PM
#477:


From: RappinHobo9292 | #475
It's like the entire league hates Ottawa.


good taste

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RappinHobo9292
12/07/11 5:41:00 PM
#478:


Love Rainman so much

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Not Dave
12/07/11 6:14:00 PM
#479:


what the hell miller

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voltch
12/07/11 6:15:00 PM
#480:


Wow Giroux.

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Not Dave
12/07/11 6:27:00 PM
#481:


god dammit ovie

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Not Dave
12/07/11 6:28:00 PM
#482:


"well then"

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Halomaster03
12/07/11 6:30:00 PM
#483:


The New York Islanders are starting to play some good hockey. They started off really good but do the same thing has always and lose 5 in a row. Now they are back just gotta in like 3 more games in a row.

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Not Dave
12/07/11 6:34:00 PM
#484:


stay healthy, milan.

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Heroic_CactObo
12/07/11 6:38:00 PM
#485:


if the rangers can keep it up I see them going deep in the playoffs. too much talent on that team
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TheOceIot
12/07/11 7:24:00 PM
#486:


I don't think there is any question that Claude Giroux has been the best player in the league this year. He's unreal.

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SuarezYNWA
12/07/11 7:52:00 PM
#487:


rammtay posted...
there are still the same number of playoff spots

it's not like a 5th place finish will make the playoffs in one conference and not the other

more competition, genius.


Sorry, genius, but the guys in 7th or 8th in a division are not competing for a playoff spot anyway. Kind of ridiculous to whine about it. If having Columbus and Winnipeg or Phoenix and Calgary in your conference makes you miss the playoffs you don't deserve to be there anyway. Whether there are 7 teams in the conference or 8 teams, if the teams are good, you're going to need the same number of points to make the playoffs.

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SuarezYNWA
12/07/11 7:53:00 PM
#488:


Also **** the refs. Tired of ****ing about them but it's just ridiculous how bad they are against Ottawa. Just ridiculous.

We didn't deserve to win that game though. Karlsson atrocious on the back end again but his minutes just keep going up. 4 games in a row now letting in game changing goals (2 game losing goals on him Dallas and Washington, goat on St. Louis's goal vs. Tampa and the cause of 2 game changing goals against Washington tonight.) But keep playing him 25+ minutes and game and only playing Rundblad 10. I'm sure that's the winning formula for a team just bleeding goals.

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SmartMuffin
12/07/11 8:50:00 PM
#489:


OV and Skinner actually did something decent on the same night? Holy **** I must be dreaming.

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RappinHobo9292
12/07/11 8:51:00 PM
#490:


Rundblad **** the bed on the fourth goal as well

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SmartMuffin
12/07/11 8:52:00 PM
#491:


We didn't deserve to win that game though. Karlsson atrocious on the back end again but his minutes just keep going up. 4 games in a row now letting in game changing goals (2 game losing goals on him Dallas and Washington, goat on St. Louis's goal vs. Tampa and the cause of 2 game changing goals against Washington tonight.) But keep playing him 25+ minutes and game and only playing Rundblad 10. I'm sure that's the winning formula for a team just bleeding goals.

I'll admit to barely watching any of their games, but between that sort of criticism and his stats (which I know well because he's on my fantasy team), it sure looks like he's the second coming of Mike Green.

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Naye745
12/07/11 8:54:00 PM
#492:


damn it

why did crosby have to get hurt before the big game i've been preparing to travel to for 2 months now

stupid bloody luck

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TheOceIot
12/07/11 8:55:00 PM
#493:


Yeah, from what hear about Karlsson (amazing offensively, awful defensively) he sounds like Mike Green 2.0

I don't know if the stats tell the whole story though. Fowler's +/- would indicate that he is far worse defensively than he is. He's more than adequate on the defensive side of things and getting better. He had some truly atrocious defensive partners last season like Lilja, Brookbank and Sutton.

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TheOceIot
12/07/11 8:57:00 PM
#494:


From: Naye745 | #492
damn it

why did crosby have to get hurt before the big game i've been preparing to travel to for 2 months now

stupid bloody luck


Hah, reminds me of when I saw Anaheim in Toronto a few years back (keep in mind that Anaheim only plays in Toronto every two years), Getzlaf missed the game because of a friggin' root canal or some s***. Pretty sure it was the only game he missed all year.

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TimJab
12/07/11 9:00:00 PM
#495:


From: TheOceIot | #486
I don't think there is any question that Claude Giroux has been the best player in the league this year. He's unreal.


every time i hear his name i think they say claude lemieux and i get really excited

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SmartMuffin
12/07/11 9:40:00 PM
#496:


From: TheOceIot | #493
Yeah, from what hear about Karlsson (amazing offensively, awful defensively) he sounds like Mike Green 2.0

I don't know if the stats tell the whole story though. Fowler's +/- would indicate that he is far worse defensively than he is. He's more than adequate on the defensive side of things and getting better. He had some truly atrocious defensive partners last season like Lilja, Brookbank and Sutton.


+/- can be incredibly deceptive though. Someone can be on the ice and away from the play and not at all at fault when a goal is scored. Someone like Mike Green can repeatedly make absolutely awful turnovers and giveaways that directly lead to opposing goals scored. Both players receive a - just the same.

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SmartMuffin
12/07/11 9:55:00 PM
#497:


According to ESPN's player rating system, Teemu Selanne is the best player on my fantasy team so far this year, narrowly beating out Vanek and Ryan Smyth (who doesn't really count because I picked him up off waivers AFTER most of his goodness was done).

Selanne is rated more than twice as effective as other players like Ovechkin and Joe Thornton.

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TheOceIot
12/07/11 10:16:00 PM
#498:


Yeah, +/- is one of the most usless statistics in hockey.

And Muffin we've been over this, Teemu Selanne is a robot.

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voltch
12/07/11 10:56:00 PM
#499:


RyanNugentHopkins

I like you so much.

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ExThaNemesis
12/07/11 11:00:00 PM
#500:


penguins > seguins

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