Board 8 > C/D: Games are getting better

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metaIslugg
10/23/11 6:06:00 AM
#51:


D

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Silverliner182V
10/23/11 7:26:00 AM
#52:


consoles/handhelds: D
pc games: C

console games are becoming more and more focused towards gimmick controls instead of solid gameplay and 'flow'. more and more I'm finding I have to do fistpumpbackflip just to do something that should only take the press of a button.

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KCF0107
10/23/11 8:10:00 AM
#53:


Easily "C"

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TehRYNOL
10/23/11 8:31:00 AM
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C

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shadosneko
10/23/11 9:59:00 AM
#55:


C

I mean, just look at the games that come out in Fall this year.

Saints Row 3
Skyrim
Postal 3
Arkham City
MW3
BF3
Super Mario 3D Land
Mario Kart 7
Forza 4
RAGE
Gears of War 3

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foolm0ron
10/23/11 10:15:00 AM
#56:


Easy C

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FateStayAlbion
10/23/11 10:49:00 AM
#57:


Basically the way I see it is if you prefer Western style games, its easily getting better. But if you prefer Japanese style games, its all downhill from here.

Just look at all of those lists of games that people say are so great these days. Its like all Western games... and people like myself have no interest in FPS, TPS, and other Western style games, so theres nothing on those lists that interest me. I'm more interested in Fate/Extra, which is a JRPG on PSP than like anything else releasing this November outside of Skyrim.

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shadosneko
10/23/11 10:50:00 AM
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From: FateStayAlbion | #057
Basically the way I see it is if you prefer Western style games, its easily getting better. But if you prefer Japanese style games, its all downhill from here.

Just look at all of those lists of games that people say are so great these days. Its like all Western games... and people like myself have no interest in FPS, TPS, and other Western style games, so theres nothing on those lists that interest me. I'm more interested in Fate/Extra, which is a JRPG on PSP than like anything else releasing this November outside of Skyrim.


"No interest in Western style games"

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Vlado
10/23/11 10:51:00 AM
#59:


Confirm, but there's a catch. Games are getting more and more streamlined. In result, the overall quality is increasing, however, their originality is decreasing.

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FateStayAlbion
10/23/11 10:52:00 AM
#60:


shadosneko posted...
From: FateStayAlbion | #057
Basically the way I see it is if you prefer Western style games, its easily getting better. But if you prefer Japanese style games, its all downhill from here.

Just look at all of those lists of games that people say are so great these days. Its like all Western games... and people like myself have no interest in FPS, TPS, and other Western style games, so theres nothing on those lists that interest me. I'm more interested in Fate/Extra, which is a JRPG on PSP than like anything else releasing this November outside of Skyrim.
"No interest in Western style games"

*Name is based on Fable*


I do like WRPGs, but thats about it. I'm not even really a Fable fan, and haven't ever played Fable 3... I just made that name on a whim while playing the original Fable and it kinda stuck.

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Not Dave
10/23/11 10:54:00 AM
#61:


c

ps2 gen kinda sucked in comparison to the current

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ZFS
10/23/11 10:59:00 AM
#62:


FateStayAlbion posted...
Basically the way I see it is if you prefer Western style games, its easily getting better. But if you prefer Japanese style games, its all downhill from here.

This is certainly not true. Japanese games don't begin and end at JRPGs.

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shadosneko
10/23/11 11:00:00 AM
#63:


And yeah, that.

As a whole, the JRPG system is archaic. The reason you're not seeing them being done very much anymore is because it's been done to death and back, and there's only so much innovation that you can do purely with menus.

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FateStayAlbion
10/23/11 11:02:00 AM
#64:


ZFS posted...
FateStayAlbion posted...
Basically the way I see it is if you prefer Western style games, its easily getting better. But if you prefer Japanese style games, its all downhill from here.

This is certainly not true. Japanese games don't begin and end at JRPGs.


I know they don't, but even outside of JRPGs, the quality of Japanese games have really gone down this last generation. Look at all the top rated games this gen.. its like all Western games. Last gen? Like 75% Japanese. Ps1 gen? Like all Japanese.

Japanese games are going downhill fast, and its worrisome.

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ZFS
10/23/11 11:03:00 AM
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It doesn't matter what the "top rated" Japanese games are, honestly. There have been some great Japanese games this generation, regardless of what the average score is on Game Rankings or Metacritic.

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Sir Cobain
10/23/11 11:06:00 AM
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jrpg dudes should learn to like better genres

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FateStayAlbion
10/23/11 11:10:00 AM
#67:


Sir Cobain posted...
jrpg dudes should learn to like better genres

I vastly prefer slow paced stuff that is story driven, so JRPGs are perfect for me. I used to play more action based stuff but I feel I've grown out of them since they just aren't fun anymore... So if the types of games I like die out, I'll just quit and find another medium of entertainment.

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Metal_DK
10/23/11 11:14:00 AM
#68:


It doesn't matter what the "top rated" Japanese games are, honestly. There have been some great Japanese games this generation, regardless of what the average score is on Game Rankings or Metacritic.

of course there are some amazing japanese games this gen, but if you think there is even a close amount this gen as the past....just no.

Sorry, but Persona 4 (although its arguably last gen) isnt enough to make this gen "amazing for jrpgs".

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__Smurf__
10/23/11 11:16:00 AM
#69:


D pretty strongly.

Too many non-gamers are in charge of gaming projects these days. We're getting tunneled projects overfocusing on the more easily sold media elements like strong graphics, control elements or one particular unique gameplay element. We don't really get the full slice of the pie anymore, these days they'll build a game around a simple gimmick because its easy to describe and easy to sell. The truly great games of the past were never easy to describe and were slow burners in sales, games with this kind of depth are seen as less desirable by market heads these days since their strength is through word of mouth rather than appeal in a 30 second commercial or a facebook banner ad.

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ZFS
10/23/11 11:18:00 AM
#70:


I wasn't talking about JRPGs. I think there have been many great Japanese games this gen on consoles and portables (less on consoles versus last gen, more on portables versus last gen). It may not be as many, but it isn't "downhill" from here. Western games (retail as well as downloadable) have made up for any slack there may be from the Japanese side, though. It's all pretty good.

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FateStayAlbion
10/23/11 11:20:00 AM
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Bigwig_rah
10/23/11 11:21:00 AM
#72:


C

2010 was the best single year for gaming ever.

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Metal_DK
10/23/11 11:24:00 AM
#73:


I wasn't talking about JRPGs. I think there have been many great Japanese games this gen on consoles and portables (less on consoles versus last gen, more on portables versus last gen). It may not be as many, but it isn't "downhill" from here. Western games (retail as well as downloadable) have made up for any slack there may be from the Japanese side, though. It's all pretty good.

im not sure i agree there. Id even argue that the new trend of consoles having tons of western games is a bad idea, since PCs have been doing western games since the early 90s very well for the most part.

Why play morrowind/oblivion/Fallout 3 on a xbox when you can play it on the PC so much better? I dont like the trend of consoles being mostly western style games, i think consoles are trying to compete with PCs now, which is silly considering that these consoles are close to 5-6 years old now...and most people's PCs are maybe 3-4 years old max. Consoles shouldnt be trying to imitate PCs with their games. Its a recipe that will fail now that nintendo/sony/microsoft have no major interest in ending this gen.

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FateStayAlbion
10/23/11 11:25:00 AM
#74:


At least theres still plenty of Visual Novels, and they are being translated at an insane pace right now... like 2 or 3 being completed a month. They aren't JRPGs, but they are better than nothing.

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Gwindor
10/23/11 11:33:00 AM
#75:


Since old games still exist, games cannot get worse.

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metaIslugg
10/23/11 12:15:00 PM
#76:


Agreeing with Albion for the most part. Visual novels don't get released here, period, and jRPGs and spaceship shooters are in a a much scarcer release in the west. Horror games are also in decline (Silent Hill is crap now, so is Resident Evil, Fatal Frame IV JPN only, probably over....). Another that is now completely gone (with western roots however) is point-and-click adventures. Sad to see it go. ;_;

these are/were the best genres imho

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paperwarior
10/23/11 12:23:00 PM
#77:


Another that is now completely gone (with western roots however) is point-and-click adventures.

I don't know about really recently, but Telltale has been singlehandedly keeping the genre alive.

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Wanglicious
10/23/11 12:26:00 PM
#78:


C.

and jrpgs are doing damn fine with handhelds. DS and PSP are monsters at it. EO3's one of the best this gen even.

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Highwind89
10/23/11 12:36:00 PM
#79:


C

The games being released are great.
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Phase
10/23/11 12:50:00 PM
#80:


D.

Too many obvious analogs of the previous generation were better.

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Kotetsu534
10/23/11 12:56:00 PM
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Better, but less interesting.

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GuessMyUserName
10/23/11 12:57:00 PM
#82:


From: Phase | Posted: 10/23/2011 3:50:09 PM | #080
D.

Too many obvious analogs of the previous generation were better.


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Colegreen_c12
10/23/11 1:42:00 PM
#83:


C easily.
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metaIslugg
10/23/11 5:41:00 PM
#84:


From: Wanglicious | #078
C.

and jrpgs are doing damn fine with handhelds. DS and PSP are monsters at it. EO3's one of the best this gen even.


Yeah. Notice how they've moved to handhelds. Dragon Quest IX, Kingdom Hearts, Suikoden Valkyrie Profile Parasite Eve. The reality is that jRPGs don't make enough profit to warrant HD home console releases anymore. Portable releases have a much smaller budget. The reason why Final Fantasy XIII took a decade to be released (and Versus will take another decade...). On handhelds though? Crisis Core, Dissidia, Dissidia 2, Type-0, TA2, FF1 remake, FF2 remake, FF3 remake, two FFIV remakes.... list goes on.

EDIT: Ah, hell! The most recent, obvious example of this: Valkyria Chronicles (PS3); Valkyria Chronicles 2(PSP); Valkyria Chronicles 3(JPN only)!

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Takfloyd_mkII__
10/23/11 7:24:00 PM
#85:


my favorite genre, Jrpgs, were getting worse

Fixed that for you. It was looking bad when FFXIII came out last year, but then we got Radiant Historia, Dark Souls and most importantly Xenoblade, and it turned out the genre was just biding its time to get good again.

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