Board 8 > Most Powerful Fictional Character 2011: Bracket and General Discussion [MPFC]

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From: Pirateking2000 | #301
lol I just thought of an awesome way for Ganon to lose in a hilarious way to Host XD (no not Host just reality stomping him)

From: LlednarTwem | #305
I also had a thought about that match. It's probably too long to PM easily, though, so I'll just post it here instead.

It's hard to argue that GANON isn't the fan favorite here. He's overcome some long odds based on some shaky arguments and heavy fan support. The Host isn't just going to stomp someone like that, but as you've pointed out, it's not his style to just step aside either. More likely is that he'll sub himself out for someone else to put GANNON in an interesting and challenging situation, and that's where my idea comes in.

Now, as you've pointed out, GANON beating the Host won't get him much. Even if he won that match, he'd still probably go out in a rather disappointing fashion in another round or two. That's where the Host comes in. When he's setting up GANON's scenario, he'd certainly have this in mind. While he wouldn't give much to GANON, it's quite possible that whatever he subs in would. In doing so, the host would be granting the fan-favorite the potential to make greater headway into the tournament.

I don't know, it could work, anyway. Certainly needs more defining of what, exactly, actually takes place though. The main reason I'm posting this now rather than during the match is that it also requires a ruling. Namely: If the Host subs himself out for an alternate opponent, would GANON take his new power from that opponent? It would, after all, be the one GANON actually fought and defeated.

From: dragon22391 | #307
It's been brought to his attention; he doesn't care.

From: redrocket | #312
KanzarisKelshen posted...
From: dragon22391 | #307
It's been brought to his attention; he doesn't care.
Or maybe no takebacks are allowed? Ever thought about looking for rules instead of flinging mud, numbers dear?

I believe he was referring to my post.

From: redrocket | #1506
List of trolls:

HeroicGammaRay
SemiFinal vs Belarus
dragon22391
14_and_counting
KJH

From: Lopen | #321
Like I mean I know people like to make fun of this contest for being a "disaster" at times but this is the first time I've seen truly bad hosting come into play that I recall.

And refusing to admit the mistake makes it even worse.

From: Wanglicious | #323
anyway nipping this in the bud late the only issue people really have ultimately comes down to whether this would count as some sort of precedent. seems obvious the answer's no by now but whatever. just confirm that and the rest of it goes on its merry way as just an outlier that doesn't impact anything tod o with the future.

From: Wanglicious | #325
well yeah, personally i can understand where you're coming from. one look at the topic says you know where it was going, both in result and in general with it with all the joke votes and mwc existing (why), and it really doesn't have any actual impact to boot. so i can totally get where you're coming from on that and the frustration there. not htat it made anything right but a giant 'stop caring already' is basically my general standpoint on this here.

From: Wanglicious | #329
arguments really shouldn't have anything to do with it in either direction so really that's just plain irrelevant.

From: Wanglicious | #333
not everyone wants to argue. certainly there's more weight to a person arguing for a character (both positive and negative), but not everyone has to and it shouldn't make a vote count more than another in a contest like this.

From: XIII_rocks | #334
GANON would have beaten Buu. Jeez. The match descended into a complete clusterf*** when MWC "flipped the board" and started rallying anyway. Honestly soro, it's quite petty to bring this whole controversy back to that match.

From: Sorozone | #332
I'm just saying arguments should hold more value in this type of contest, compared to something else, and where arguments are heated, any vote that doesn't have an explanation to why should be discounted. That way, you actually are finding the 'most powerful' and not the most 'popular', because you never know what those non explanation(especially early ones) votes are even voting for. Are they voting for them simply because they want to see them in the final? If they like them more? If they are cooler?

I don't really mind how people want to run it, but when votes count towards one character with no arguments, and another one doesn't, what makes it a troll vote?

From: Sorozone | #336
I've only actively argued and voted in 4-5 of the matches.

From: Sorozone | #341
Than why is it when people vote for Goku who legitimately thought he could win were discounted?

From: th3l3fty | #339
GANON's whole shtick is that his powers are entirely up to personal interpretation anyway

(which is why he's such a bad entrant for this contest, but that's an entirely different issue)

From: Sorozone | #341
That was the last match I argued in, so I'm bringing it up as an example of his hypocritical-ness. Is it really hard to understand? I haven't followed every single match.

I have no qualms with the characters I argued for losing, but when one loses because of non-explained votes are not counted, and thus a mercy rule is put into effect before argument even actually started, and another one loses with non-explained votes being counted against him, there is a problem to be had.

It's up to his discretion on what he thinks what constitutes as a troll vote and what doesn't. That's understandable. He has the authority to discount any vote, but when the argument was so in favor of Buu, and votes are not discounted for GANON it's a problem. Why? Because even if people legitimately thought GANON would win(which seems to be the case) those votes were counted. Ok cool. Than why is it when people vote for Goku who legitimately thought he could win were discounted? What's wrong with legitimately thinking any character can win anything? Nothing.

So why were one votes counted and another wasn't and went to a mercy? What does it mean to be a troll vote? Because those people have a post on voting for an underdog and continually do it? Because those people legitimately thought they could win, even with the argument or no argument to begin with was against that character?

It all comes down to his discretion like I said, but when it's inconsistent(from what I've seen) it's just a mess.
Then again, this could just be an issue of my ignorance.

From: KanzarisKelshen | #340
The votes I did discount had to do with people I know weren't being serious. These are people I talk to often, at that, whose voting patterns I have knowledge of, blah blah blah blah blah. Point is I didn't discount the votes just 'cause.

From: th3l3fty | #343
the only one who legitimately though Goku could win was MWC (whose vote definitely should have been counted, even if it is just a fanboy vote)

From: KanzarisKelshen | #345
A vote was taken off GANON's tally. None for Buu. Cry less.

From: Wanglicious | #342
you're overthinking it by at least a factor of 10 and using something that has absolutely nothing to do with it.

From: XIII_rocks | #338
Using the result of a match from quite a few days ago as a stick to beat Kanz with just because the result went against you strikes me as petty and unnecessary tbqh. I don't know, it sticks in my craw a bit that you would do that. The situations are very different, so to try and bring that match backup shows there's still a decent amount of QQ about it from you.