Board 8 > Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1002

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Man, going through a topic in 4 days! You'd think it was contest season or something!

~*creativename's contest site (all things contest!)*~
www.gamefaqscontests.com

~*The Board 8 Wiki (lots of useful contest and board information, including all past Post-Contest Analysis from Ulti, transience, Ed Bellis and others)*~
http://board8.wikia.com/

~*List of All Polls (a search bar is at the bottom)*~
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html

~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~
http://www.thengamer.com/
http://thengamer.com/xstats

~*GameFAQs Contests Hall of Fame*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/GameFAQs_Contests_Hall_of_Fame
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/GameFAQs_Contests_Match_Hall_of_Fame

~*Character Contest Histories*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Contest_Histories

~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

~*All the Match Pics*~
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/index.php

~*Leonhart4's Trend Charts*~
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?hl=en&key=tOGmynfNIiNy5VukpEF-PdA&hl=en#gid=0

~*Acronyms and Percentages for Dummies*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Acronyms_and_Percentages

~*Say What? Common Stats Topic Lingo Defined*~

SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote. This is the best example of SFF we've ever seen. However take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make perfect sense.

Extrapolated Standings - The mathematical "strength" of a contestant that's determined based on their performance relative to the rest of the field. This number is typically based on the contest entrant's loss, but adjustments are sometimes made. See above for a watered down explanation for how the stats are calculated.

!yawa tsoP

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aw yea posting in Leon stats

I tried to go through the stats topics once to see how many topics each person had created, but gave up somewhere short of topic 50. I'm guessing it would be something like:

Ulti - 700
Solarshadow - 20

Probably no one else has more than 15.

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I'm sure TRE can come up with a number within the next hour.

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From: red sox 777 | #003
I tried to go through the stats topics once to see how many topics each person had created, but gave up somewhere short of topic 50.

TRE probably has magic ways of finding that out. A while back, I actually thought about asking him if he had any tre-magic capable of counting the number of posts each of us have made over the years. I didn't ask for fear that he'd have to do it manually... and that he would.

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From: PartOfYourWorld | #005
A while back, I actually thought about asking him if he had an tre-magic capable of counting the number of posts each of us have made over the years.

Didn't he do something similar where he posted a percentage of our posts over a certain number of topics or period of time?

...And I was like way out ahead of everyone else?

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You were tops, and I think I was right behind Albion.

Man, anyone who still makes the "elitist, unfriendly, stat snobs" argument these days is so off base. We tolerated Albion as our second most active guy for like two years.

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I think anyone who says that nowadays hasn't been in a stats topic since like 2006, so we still have that negative sort of reputation with a large chunk of the board.

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Yes, he wrote a script to count posts back in.....2009? He gave us figures for a recent period at that time. Leon was first, and IIRC KP was 2nd. I had a fairly high number of posts too, while Yoblazer and Ulti were in the middle of the pack (despite Ulti making almost every topic). I think Albion was pretty high up there when you combined all his alts.

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90s games > 00s games

If anything, I'd say it's actually harder for someone to come into the stats topic and post nowadays. It's not that we're unfriendly or anything, it's just that there's so much in the way of facts about contests that someone who hasn't been here wouldn't know. I don't think we've had any new posters in the last couple of years, except for people like Curt and LMS who were criticized sharply by almost the entire topic.

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90s games > 00s games

To be fair, we do get some people who drop by and make a couple of posts when there's actually a contest going on.

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I don't know if that's necessarily true. That Advokaiser has been posting in the stats topic recently, and unless he's an alt of someone who is or was once a regular, he's relatively new to the stats topic. He's been asking lots of questions about contests and stuff, which is good.

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I want a character battle. Nominate Ghaleon!

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AHEM

jeez guys

Oh right, you're here.

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From: Andel | #013
I want a character battle. Nominate Ghaleon!

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It could be that my memory is just worse now. Probably if I don't know who you are I just assume you've posted here at least sporadically since 2005 and I just forgot.

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90s games > 00s games

I know I know.

You must be thinking "Oh yeah, but I feel like we've known each other for so long!"

Feels like too long, if you ask me!

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I found TRE's numbers for topics 801-850:

LeonhartFour - 2775
Lightslayer987, MyWorldIsCrono, Cyclo_Reaper - 1677 total
KamikazePotato - 1554
red sox 777 - 1331
charmander6000 - 1191
PartOfYourWorld - 896
UltimaterializerX - 855
voltch - 687
HaRRicH - 506
Fayt_Esteed - 469
EternalxCourage - 344
RPGuy96 - 293
KleenexTissue50 - 283
creativename - 249
paulg235 - 236
TheCodeisBosco - 229
XxSoulxX - 190
ZenOfThunder - 181
Hochiminster - 70
BlAcK TuRtLe - 217
Team Rocket Elite - 183
Lopen - 115

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90s games > 00s games

Whoa, I overestimated myself a bit. Not even top five? Disappoint.

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You probably were top 5 in word count, and definitely top 5 in quality content. I think most of Albion's posts were one-liners.

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90s games > 00s games

Man, 11.11% of posts across 50 topics and 25,000 posts.

What the heck.

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An Excerpt from the History of the Kingdom of Hyrule, Part IX

In the Kingdom of Hyrule, there were 3 classes: Nintendo, Square, and Non-Aligned, which had been renamed respecitvely to Conquerors, Conquered, and Slaves. Alternatively, they were called Capitalists, Proletariats, and Slaves. Capitalists did no work, but owned things, and prospered greatly through their ownership and investments. Proletariats worked all their lives, and earned enough to survive, but no more, for that is the total possible worth of a man's labor. Slaves were owned by capitalists, and existed principally to grant dignity to the defeated proletariats who had once been proud capitalists in the Kingdom of Square. His Imperial Majesty Link, ever magnanimous, had granted at least this much to his enemies in defeat.

Taxes were set to encourage high productivity: The tax rate on the first 100 rupees of income was 90%, falling to 80% for the second 100 rupees, 60% for the next 201st through 400th rupees, 40% for the 401st through 800th rupees, 30% for the 800th through 2000th rupees, 20% for the 2001st through 4000th rupees, 10% for the 4001st through 10,000th rupees, 5% for the 10,001st through 1 millionth rupees, and 0% for all income above 1 million rupees. Anyone who made less than 50 rupees in a year had to pay a bonus tax of 100 rupees.

Capitalists were encouraged to own as much property as possible. The state granted each male citizen of the capitalist class an acre of land at birth, another acre on his 16th birthday, and two acres plus a house on his 18th birthday. Experience and history had shown that risky investments were the most profitable investments on average, so they were encouraged. If a citizen ever went bankrupt, he only had to visit the Palace of Prosperity, where he would be reimbursed for his losses by the Crown.

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wtf am I reading and why isn't there more?

Proletariats, on the other hand, were forbidden from owning land. Anything else they might purchase with the fruit of their labor, but not an inch of land could be owned by a proletariat in the kingdom. The exception was a small number of proletariats, who had formerly been high nobility in the Kingdom of Square. The final Terms of Surrender had permitted a small number of nobles to retain their land, and Link never broke his word.

Slaves could not own anything, not land nor goods nor services nor themselves. Capitalists owned slaves, but not all capitalists used them in labor, and even the ones who made their slaves work generally did not impose a heavy burden of work upon them. Work was seen as proletarian and thoroughly beneath the dignity of a capitalist, and within 5 years after the end of the war, a trend had started where capitalists began to view their slaves working as also beneath their dignity. Within a few years after that, only the poorest capitalists still made their slaves work, while the wealthy generally bought slaves for the purpose of reselling them later, at a higher price. Strange as it seemed to many people, the price of a slave soon exceeded the lifetime earnings of a proletariat, and ultimately went as high as 10 times the lifetime earnings of a proletariat.

The total income of the realm was divided as follows: 50% for the Crown, 25% for the top 1% of capitalists, 20% for the next 19% of capitalists, 4% for the last 80% of capitalists, and 1% for proletariats. Wealth was more equitably divided: 65% for the Crown, 30% for the top 1% of capitalists, 4% for the next 19% of capitalists, 0.9% for the last 80% of capitalists, and 0.1% for proletariats. Still, by Year 7 after the Reconquest, there was a large movement receiving support from many capitalists complaining that the bottom 99% of the population held too large a percentage of the income and wealth of the land, and that the top 1% should receive what they actually deserved but had not been getting. The success of this movement resulted in the election of Bowser to the post of 2nd Minister (Link was his own Prime Minister) on the platform of sending looters to all homes worth less than 2 million rupees every month to loot them, with the proceeds being split 1/3 for the looters, 1/3 for the Crown, and 1/3 to be divided among the top 1%.

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red sox's last 2 posts are weird.

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red sox occasionally comes up with stuff like that.

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Political Parties

There were 4 large parties in the Parliament of the Realm: The Tea Party, the Mario Party, the Monarchists, and the Corporatists. The Tea Party led the charge to take away wealth unfairly held by the middle and rich parts of capitalist class and give it to those who deserved it, the super rich of the capitalist class. The Mario Party was a regional party, serving the interest of the former Mushroom Kingdom. There was always some residual underlying tension between the Mario Party and the King, as the Mushroom Kingdom had formerly been as powerful as the Kingdom of Hyrule before the Great Union of Nintendo. The Monarchists favored expanding Link's influence; while Link theoretically had unlimited power, he rarely used it, and the Monarchists desired the King rule the people with a firmer hand. The Corporatists were the chief advocates of corporations, believing that it was better for wealth to be controlled by faceless large corporations than by wealthy individuals, however rich they might be.

The Terms of Surrender had dictated that the former Kingdom of Square, now the Proletariats, would have 5% of seats in Parliament in the Kingdom of Hyrule, and they regularly elected Communists to Parliament, although in many elections the proletariats would hand victory to members to one of the 4 main parties as well. The Communists thus usually held 2-3% of seats in Parliament, and in practice their role was mainly to sit there and suffer verbal abuse and condemnation from the other parties. Among the Communists there was a split between the Royal Communists, who wanted everything to be owned by Link, and the Socialist Communists, who advocated the end of the Monarchy and end of private property entirely. This was of course treason on its face, but Link never put them on trial for it, and the Socialist Communists were always a minority laughingstock even within their own party, getting a deputy elected to Parliament once in many years.

By the way, to clarify the timeline:

Great Union of Nintendo: June 2002, Kingdom of Hyrule and Mushroom Kingdom united under one king, Link.
The Great War: July-September 2002, Nintendo wins.
The Second War: July 2003-May 2004, Square wins, conquers Hyrule.
The Third War:
- The Reconquest: August 2004-October 2004, Nintendo retakes Hyrule.
- The Advance: November 2004-July 2006, Nintendo wins, Treaty of Midgar signed.
The Communist Revolution (Red October): October-November 2007, Communist rebels overthrow the Kingdoms of Hyrule and Square.
Civil War: September-November 2008, Link reconquers Kingdom of Hyrule, Cloud reconquers Kingdom of Square
The Fourth War: April 2009-June 2009: Nintendo conquers Midgar, Terms of Surrender signed annexing the Kingdom of Square to Hyrule.

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LeonhartFour posted...
From: Andel | #013
I want a character battle. Nominate Ghaleon!


That's the reason why Ghaleon must come back. That picture is horrible.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRbePCu9jleMwGTO0DDrnNSjmuZWNzpwZT0Kz_nXVf7b0UPkpxvWQ

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DomaDragoon posted...
To be fair, we do get some people who drop by and make a couple of posts when there's actually a contest going on.

That would be me. I do a lot of reading and lurking, but unless there's a contest happening, I don't feel I have much to contribute.

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red sox 777 posted...
By the way, to clarify the timeline:

Great Union of Nintendo: June 2002, Kingdom of Hyrule and Mushroom Kingdom united under one king, Link.
The Great War: July-September 2002, Nintendo wins.
The Second War: July 2003-May 2004, Square wins, conquers Hyrule.
The Third War:
- The Reconquest: August 2004-October 2004, Nintendo retakes Hyrule.
- The Advance: November 2004-July 2006, Nintendo wins, Treaty of Midgar signed.
The Communist Revolution (Red October): October-November 2007, Communist rebels overthrow the Kingdoms of Hyrule and Square.
Civil War: September-November 2008, Link reconquers Kingdom of Hyrule, Cloud reconquers Kingdom of Square
The Fourth War: April 2009-June 2009: Nintendo conquers Midgar, Terms of Surrender signed annexing the Kingdom of Square to Hyrule.

So...

Great Union of Nintendo: Before any contest
The Great War: Summer 2002 Contest
The Second War: Summer 2003 $ Spring 2004 Contests
The Reconquest: Summer 2004 Contest
The Advance: Spring 2005, Summer 2005, Spring 2006, & Summer 2006 Contests
The Communist Revolution: Summer 2007 Contest (how dare you call an innocent little Tetris piece a communist...oh I see, grrrrrr)
Civil War: Summer 2008 Contest
The Fourth War: Spring 2009 Contest

Where do our last two contests fit in here?

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I only drop by here whenever there is activity. I don't dabble in stats.

eww, noo not fanfics.

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red sox 777 posted...
I tried to go through the stats topics once to see how many topics each person had created, but gave up somewhere short of topic 50. I'm guessing it would be something like:

Ulti - 700
Solarshadow - 20

Probably no one else has more than 15.


I've only created one. Guess which one was it...

BRAWL vs. MELEE (GotD)!

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You didn't give me time to guess!
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I can't remember the last time I made a CS&D-topic, actually. I'm sure I'll hop on another sometime, but you learn soon after making your first CS&D-topic that it's not such a big deal.

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LeonhartFour posted...
I don't know if that's necessarily true. That Advokaiser has been posting in the stats topic recently, and unless he's an alt of someone who is or was once a regular, he's relatively new to the stats topic. He's been asking lots of questions about contests and stuff, which is good.

If you want to know a little bit of my backstory, I created my account on mid-2010, but I used to visit GameFAQs since 2008/2009 every now and then. GotD is the first contest I've ever participated in, and oh boy was it fun, even though it lasted way longer than I expected (2 months? I thought it was supposed to last 2 weeks!), so I've never been on a Character Battle, and I had practically no knowledge on games' strengths and such. That was the time when I thought Uncharted 2 > Fallout 3, and that GTA: San Andreas was at the same level (if not higher), than FFX and RE4 (yeah, you had to look at my facial expression when Golden Sun made the upset against GTA: SA [why did I ignore KamikazePotato's wise words talking about RELEASE DAY upset?!])).

Anyway, those were the times were I used to think R/B/Y was a joke runner-up for the Best. Game. Ever. contest, just like Missingno and L-Block, until somebody told me that it was, you know, actually SERIOUS. I also used to think Diablo II was an obscure game that was going to get stomped by MGS4 by a margin of 30/70. Anyway, if you're interested, I created a document expressing all of my pre- and post-contest thoughts on the GotD contest, if you want to take a look at it.

But still, thanks to everything I learned through GotD (and looking to past polls on the site), and practically stealing KamikazePotato's bracket predictions with a few minor modifications of my own (Brawl > Melee, MP > HL2, MM > G/S/C, etc... hehehe...) I managed to get onto the 11th position of the Guru. I also made some nice predictions in the Oracle Challenge, too.

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red sox 777 posted...
If anything, I'd say it's actually harder for someone to come into the stats topic and post nowadays. It's not that we're unfriendly or anything, it's just that there's so much in the way of facts about contests that someone who hasn't been here wouldn't know. I don't think we've had any new posters in the last couple of years, except for people like Curt and LMS who were criticized sharply by almost the entire topic.

It's a developed and stagnant conversation you guys have here. If someone wants to partake in the same conversation, it's very easy to get in, though there's certainly a bit of catch-up involved with stats/poll familiarity.

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Where do our last two contests fit in here?

The last two contests belong to the current period of totalitarian rule by Link, where no one seriously even hopes for any other result to occur because they know Link will win again.

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http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/28835846/garrus-vs.-yoshi?page=0

Who do you guys think will win the Garrus/Yoshi match in the Gamespot contest? Just like 60 votes, but Gamespot board seems to think it'll be Garrus, which would be really surprising to me.

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Sick, didn't expect to end up on that list.

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Garrus. Mass Effect is a huge unknown there since it didn't get into their first two contests, but I think it'll be beastly. IIRC, another site ran a "best series ever" contest a while back, and Mass Effect tore through much of it (might have reached the finals). It's probably really big on any site that doesn't cater to jRPGs and Nintendo as much as GameFAQs. That, and Garrus might get the Bioware fanbase mobilized. Bioware has been big on promoting ME on Facebook and stuff lately. One Facebook post and it's gg.

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IIRC, another site ran a "best series ever" contest a while back, and Mass Effect tore through much of it (might have reached the finals).

http://www.g4tv.com/deathmatch/best-franchises-2011/

Mass Effect got to the semifinals and was utterly crushing Starcraft there for a bit. Here's a screenshot several hours into the match, at Starcraft's lowest point:



(Then Starcraft got rallied and won with 55%.)

Heck yeah Assassin's Creed

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So we're back to off-season pace, huh?

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I didn't know Zelda games were supposed to be linked. (No pun intended.) -freshmakerrrr
Currently playing: Tetris (NES)

...or is it just that you lurkers post in here only at night?

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I didn't know Zelda games were supposed to be linked. (No pun intended.) -freshmakerrrr
Currently playing: Tetris (NES)

Well there isn't really much to discuss. We got a burst for Part 1000 of self-referential and nostalgic discussion.

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I don't post a lot here in case one of you will infect me.

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Hmmm.... well, we can discuss how Zero > Cortana, and Otacon > Diddy Kong, in GameSpot's contest.

Oh, and I'm redoing my Top 30 (which is expanding to 40).

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