Board 8 > ~FIGHT!~ Dracula/Diablo/Kerrigan/Grabner/Fortune vs Agahnim/Roo/Gene/Cielo/Athos

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08/25/11 10:52:00 AM
#51:


From: dragon22391 | #048
How the hell is aghanimty more durable than granber - unless you mean the human, but I would assume the mech affords him some protection. Unless you mean it destroys him
More because it's a mech

Buy it doesn't do extra damage against mechs/ships, it just outdamages their health (makin it massive overkill on Terran units and stuff)


I meant the human yeah.

Also I'd consider that more gameplay balance than anything.

You could spin it the other way too and argue because Psi-Storm is unaffected by armor that it goes straight through the armor.

I dunno though maybe it is just like force lightning. In that case it doesn't kill Grabner. Anyone read the starcraft books or anything lol

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Mega Mana
08/25/11 10:57:00 AM
#52:


I always thought of just a giant electrical storm. Shorts out a bunch of ship systems and does crazy damage on the processes of the machines, while it also superheats, boils, and explodes things liek the zerg and humans. Shields absorb most of it but eventually break.
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GANON1025
08/25/11 11:44:00 AM
#53:


if it's a storm, Cielo and Athos can just dodge the lightning. i'm serious

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GANON1025
08/25/11 11:45:00 AM
#54:


Or Athos can use Agahnim's teleport to safely hide while his clones continue spamming

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Y_Donte_Y
08/25/11 11:46:00 AM
#55:


It hits absolutely everything, there is no dodging or hiding
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GANON1025
08/25/11 11:49:00 AM
#56:


Agahnim's teleport turns him into a shadow and he moves across the floor.

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Mega Mana
08/25/11 12:48:00 PM
#57:


I don't see it hitting absolutely everything. Maybe 33% to 75% of the place. Tick Tock Clock's narrow, but not Spekkio or Dojo cramped. There's a good deal of horizontal space, at least fifty Cronos wide in diameter, probably much more. I'd venture that Psionic Storm's 15-30 Cronos wide, with a very high vertical axis. Of course that's just the center and there could always be some fluctuating lightning bolts that strike out further.

And I'm not liking Ganon's chances here.

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KanzarisKelshen
08/25/11 1:15:00 PM
#58:


Why is anybody arguing people not dying in one hit to psistorm

That thing is insane. Your brain melts, full stop. Unless you have credible mind guards you die. Strong will doesn't help when your brain is deepfried directly, circumventing mental duels. Psistorm is simply a massive shockwave of psychic energy and not an insiduous attack.

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GANON1025
08/25/11 1:19:00 PM
#59:


How's a psistorm going to hit a brain as fast as Cielo's?

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DeathChicken
08/25/11 1:20:00 PM
#60:


In all seriousness, it's not like the electric cloud can't be dodged. Hell, walking your troops out of it is the best way to keep them from getting killed by it in Starcraft

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Some_Character
08/25/11 2:18:00 PM
#61:


Cielo can make his entire team immune to Mind-based spells. >_>

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dragon22391
08/25/11 3:58:00 PM
#62:


Yet there's little reason for Cielo to do that. He has no clue of Kerrigan's psionic capabilities, making that in most fights a waste of time and magic.

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dragon22391
08/25/11 4:00:00 PM
#63:


Also, DC, there is no "walkin out of it" in tick tock clock - it most definitely covers the horizontal size of the place, Vertical who knows but they'll be a bit hurting to climb during the middle of it, and just jumping off seems like a decidedly bad idea.

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Some_Character
08/25/11 4:02:00 PM
#64:


Yes because for a unit weak to ailment attacks making a shield against an ailment attack is clearly a waste of time.

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DeathChicken
08/25/11 4:03:00 PM
#65:


I'm not saying they'd necessarily walk out of it, just that that's the easiest way to get away from it in Starcraft. And if some garden variety Starcraft troops can avoid it, something like Cielo shouldn't have much trouble

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dragon22391
08/25/11 4:03:00 PM
#66:


I'm not entirely sure what this spell is, but if all it does is null "mind damage", then yes, in a majority of fights it is an express waste of time, as there are very few psychic warriors in Mercenaries.

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dragon22391
08/25/11 4:08:00 PM
#67:


Well, even if it doesn't oneshot him, it will certainly do nice damage. That's where the fact that Diablo, Dracula, Kerrigan, and Grabner are all very, very good units, and the other team is fielding three pretty-lol people.

And again I feel it's important to note that Tick Tock Clock takes away Cielo's greatest strength: his speed.

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DeathChicken
08/25/11 4:10:00 PM
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Sure, but if he doesn't go down in a minute, it's changing over to the Pit. Which is an open air terrain very good for him

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GANON1025
08/25/11 4:13:00 PM
#69:


Bah, Cielo can still get good speed even without a large place to accelerate.

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Some_Character
08/25/11 4:16:00 PM
#70:


Damage matters little when you can fully heal your team at any point with Salvation. And when you can survive blasts from gods, I can't imagine a one-shot.

BTW, which non-Fortune units would you say are susceptible to Mudoon, the insta-kill Dark spell made more powerful by the twilight?

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GANON1025
08/25/11 4:17:00 PM
#71:


Instant-kill attacks aren't allowed in mercs.

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Some_Character
08/25/11 4:20:00 PM
#72:


That's going to have to be notified in the skillset then.

EDIT: And which takes priority: Fortune's immunity to magic or Megidola's complete and total bypassing of any resistance?

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GANON1025
08/25/11 4:20:00 PM
#73:


Also keep in mind there will be two Athoses constantly spamming Luna through the whole match

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dragon22391
08/25/11 4:27:00 PM
#74:


I think almost all close terrain matches are over in way less than a minute, but your mileage may vary. Even once they reach the pit, though, Grabner in particular should be very adept at picking them off, using lock-on features that things generally use to target -actual- jet planes and such, and Cielo's shown a propensity to die in explosions like the kinds homing missiles would present.

And this is in addition to all the firepower Dracula, Diablo, Kerrigan, and even Fortune will be spittingz

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HeroicGammaRay
08/25/11 6:12:00 PM
#75:


i don't think ttc is necessarily the starting terrain, nor do they necessarily shift in that order

also whether psi storm is magic or psychic or whatever is up to you
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Silverliner182V
08/25/11 7:33:00 PM
#76:




Diablo is a large, heavy monster. Grabner is in a huge, heavy mech. (the average mech in his game seems to weigh about 25 tons!)

Defenders always get a placement advantage over attackers, so dante's team is at the bottom and GANON's is at the top.

So in other words everyone is starting on thin wire mesh. Dante has fielded two bruisers who arguably weigh more than anyone else combined. Then there is Roo who could also shove someone over the edge, perhaps kerrigan or fortune.

Can anyone even HIT Team Cielo when they're falling to their deaths? Probably not.

Then there's the possibility that every on dante's team just falls and dies because they'll have no footing to stand on thanks to their fine teammates albert and diablo.

(mario literally trolls mercs again)

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dragon22391
08/25/11 7:37:00 PM
#77:


mario's the one trolling huh

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Silverliner182V
08/25/11 7:39:00 PM
#78:


well maybe if dante had destroyed tick tock clock my vote would be different

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GANON1025
08/25/11 7:42:00 PM
#79:


yeah dante really screwed up

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X_Dante_X
08/25/11 7:42:00 PM
#80:


tick tock clock was not an option for dante to destroy

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dragon22391
08/25/11 7:42:00 PM
#81:


"i don't think ttc is necessarily the starting terrain, nor do they necessarily shift in that order"

well there's also that, giving your "scenario" roughly a 25% chance of happening

also given that the mesh isn't supported by -anything- and still floats, i'd say its stuck fairly well in place.

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SemiFinal vs Belarus
08/25/11 7:43:00 PM
#82:


numbers cannot grasp the true form of cielo's speed!

cielo accelerates vertically!

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HeroicGammaRay
08/25/11 7:43:00 PM
#83:


to clarify if you think it's ttc that's fine too. it's just that the ability doesn't say anything so whatever you think works
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Mega Mana
08/25/11 7:44:00 PM
#84:


Team Cielo.


What Silver said.
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X_Dante_X
08/25/11 7:45:00 PM
#85:


what did I even come home to

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Silverliner182V
08/25/11 7:45:00 PM
#86:


well considering there's a 75% chance of roo being mvp (lava land, pit, clock) i would say my vote is a pretty safe bet!

I mean that would just be a disaster if roo shoved one or two people into lava with his sneak attack.

I see it shifting in the order the terrains were declared. so clock > pit > lava land > ripple fields > clock.

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GANON1025
08/25/11 7:48:00 PM
#87:


Cielo needs 0 acceleration, he's not a damn car he's a SUPER MONSTER MAN

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Lopen
08/25/11 8:12:00 PM
#88:


Ah... so Tick Tock Clock is an instant win against large teams?

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X_Dante_X
08/25/11 8:12:00 PM
#89:


Apparently so

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dragon22391
08/25/11 8:42:00 PM
#90:


there is apparently a lot i don't grasp the true form of

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Achromatic
08/25/11 8:45:00 PM
#91:


what's the score of the match

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GANON1025
08/25/11 8:45:00 PM
#92:


nobody tell him

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dragon22391
08/25/11 8:46:00 PM
#93:


two-zip hi ganon

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X_Dante_X
08/25/11 8:51:00 PM
#94:


two people have decided my team is TOO HEAVY and will fall to their deaths in tick tock clock

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Achromatic
08/25/11 8:52:00 PM
#95:


Well while I am tempted.

Team Diablo and Kerrigan

Okay so here's the problem I am having here. It comes down to this: Who is going to kill Diablo.

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No one is going to kill Diablo so yes, I'd say that's a slight problem.

I give Roo some respect, I give Fortune none. I don't even give Grabner a lot of respect. I don't even give Dracula a lot of respect.

Diablo/Kerrigan, however, are a clear class above the other two and why I am going to be KOing them when I face this team in two days if I am able.

Agahnim does something, not much
Roo will knock Fortune the **** out, so that's something.
Gene is going to get diablo's dick up his bunny ass.
Athos is great but he is outclassed here if he had the magic of 1000 cielos.

Cielo, the best merc on the field for his team (except maybe Athos I guess) is not even the second best merc on the field. Kerrigan and Diablo simply cannot be killed by the other team before they kill them. Too durable, too much damage, and the backup while I don't have high respect for (Dracula/Grabner) is a lot better than a god damn rabbit and a kangeroo with a weapon.

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Lopen
08/25/11 8:52:00 PM
#96:


Anyway uh

Team Diablo

Triple Luna isn't too effective here cause Diablo/Kerrigan/Dracula all have big durability more than defense, and Fortune is immune to magic (and might take a shot from Athos to no effect). He's good against Grabner-- if he goes for him first. Kerrigan's got giant AoEs to EVEN HIT Cielo-- also to hit all three Athosi. Dracula does too, actually, with Meggido.

At best Roo's going to kill one guy by knocking them into the void and then splat. More likely he gets caught by AoEs on his way in. Agahnim is out of his league. Gene is a bunny and will probably suck at melee now given Link was unable to do anything offensive in bunny form.

So yeah it's 5v3 to start-- and more realistically, 5v2. Athos and Cielo can fly around but the big AoEs and superior durability of the other team will squash them.

Oh and also the "team x is too heavy and falls through the platforms" is a dumb argument.

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GANON1025
08/25/11 8:55:00 PM
#97:


It's obvious Sir Chris only voted for Dante because I have more votes and he doesn't like me. I ask, no, I REQUEST that his vote be thrown out.

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Achromatic
08/25/11 8:56:00 PM
#98:


Shut up Ganon, your team sucks deal with it.

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Justin_Crossing
08/25/11 8:56:00 PM
#99:


team diablo

because i hate ganon1025

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GANON1025
08/25/11 8:57:00 PM
#100:


And Kerrigan and Diablows fall to Luna spam, it ignores defenses and resistances so it don't matter how durable they are.

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