Board 8 > never buy used current generation games from gamestop

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unless you hate video games or something

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SensiShadeSIaye posted...
my name is sensishadeslaye(r) and I hate games

or something

As someone who works in the industry...people like you are a big reason why publishers are downsizing their console game divisions, and a big reason why I had two studios close from under me in the past two years.

It's cool, though, I work in MMOs now. I hope you like subscription fees and/or micro-transactions! Because studios making these are the only studios hiring now, which means three years down the road these will be your primary gaming options.

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So if I buy a used game, if it's the only possible option (as in, there isn't even a new copy available anywhere), I'm deliberately killing the industry? Interesting.

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there's a market for used goods in most other industries, the reason the game industry can't handle it is because game publishers are idiots and undertake massive projects with budgets that don't make sense for how many titles they're actually going to sell. a lot of the funnest games coming out now are just the cheap little games coming out on steam or XBLA, you don't need to put millions of dollars into a game and charge $60 for it to be good, in fact, THAT is harming the medium more than anything.

that being said, no one should ever buy anything from gamestop, that goes without saying.

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So if I buy a used game, if it's the only possible option (as in, there isn't even a new copy available anywhere), I'm deliberately killing the industry? Interesting.

Killing the industry is killing the industry, regardless if you have a reason (see: excuse) or not.

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Make games people want to buy new/don't want to sell. Problem solved.

Sometimes used is the best or only option available. I don't regret buying Devil Summoner used at GameStop considering the online prices for it were about 5-10 times higher than what I paid.

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Sometimes used is the best or only option available. I don't regret buying Devil Summoner used at GameStop considering the online prices for it were about 5-10 times higher than what I paid.

Not current gen, therefore not the subject.

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There are some current gen games that are somewhat difficult to find too, but thankfully not too many I can think of. I haven't bought many used games at all yet this gen aside from a few PSP games.

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If the current gen game is out of print and you can only find it used, I doubt anyone cares. If you can't actually buy the game new you're not hurting anyone by buying it used.

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I'm a Power-Up Rewards member and I buy a lot of used games there

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Somehow many industries can survive used sales, but the video game industry is hemophilic or something. They much such a big deal about how they can't handle these little hits. I don't really have that much sympathy.

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I don't feel like it falls on me to not destroy the industry, that's kind of the industry's job. I don't have unlimited money, so I buy it in the cheapest way available. Typically that's online, but on occasion I get a good used deal at Gamestop.

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I work at Gamestop and I will buy a used game today just to spite this topic.

(I almost never buy used)

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This is a dumb topic.

Games are expensive now, and I select which ones I buy new very carefully. if developers want people to buy games new, give us insentive. Preorder bonuses are one good incentive, and another one is to do specific one use codes for content included in each new copy like Smackdown Vs Raw and Mortal Kombat. If I'm buying older games, I'm getting them used. My wallet can't take it, and the game industry should take into account that $60 is a lot of money to spend on their games.

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I work at Gamestop and all I buy are used games. Hooray for 25% off.

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Yes, because supporting gamestop, one of the biggest distributors of games, is equal to hating gaming. Cause you know... it's not like Gamestop employs several people, many of whom are gamers or anything.

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gamestop is a cancer to the gaming industry and it has nothing to do with used games being bad or anything ridiculous like that

Gamestop is the savior of the industry, and any of its negative experiences come from outside influences(idiotic, greedy game companies using online passes/day-one DLC to make up "profits" that were never there in the first place) or whiny anecdotes("Oh god, this guy asked me if I wanted to pre-order a game! Twice, even! And then he told me about a survey! What a terrible POS!")

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Gamestop is the savior of the industry

lolwut

Gamestop (used games in general) are actually what's keeping the current state of the industry afloat. Imagine no used games exist. Sure, you'll have some people spending every single dollar they earn to purchase every new game that comes out, but most people won't be. Most people will just go with what they can expect. Zelda (everything Nintendo really) will sell. Call of Duty will sell. Madden will sell. What about a new IP from a relatively unknown company? Chances are, it's not going to sell without some massive marketing campaign, or through a sequel after the first game is highly praised. Look at how long it took for Atlus to start taking off (didn't happen until Persona 3 caught peoples attention).

The industry is killing itself. Games are too big. Companies hire too many people and are no longer putting out complete games. For example, if you purchased Borderlands new, and all of the DLC that came with it, you would have paid more than $100.

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Oh, and there's also the fact that many people that actually do by new, will go with those deals that Gamestop has. You know, the trade in 2 used current gem games for a new copy of _____. Yeah.

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gamestop typically sells used games at like $5 off the new price, they aren't really helping at all. $5 for a new game that I know has no scratches on it or anything? I'm buying new, I only get used games for stuff that is out of print and can't be found new

maybe game companies should make games that people want to keep

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
This is a dumb topic.

Games are expensive now, and I select which ones I buy new very carefully. if developers want people to buy games new, give us insentive. Preorder bonuses are one good incentive, and another one is to do specific one use codes for content included in each new copy like Smackdown Vs Raw and Mortal Kombat. If I'm buying older games, I'm getting them used. My wallet can't take it, and the game industry should take into account that $60 is a lot of money to spend on their games.

Actually, given inflation, games are cheaper than they've ever been.

They've ALWAYS been $50-$70, even as production costs have skyrocketed since the NES era. It's actually a fairly consumer-friendly business model. Game companies never pass along the extra money they're spending onto you, at least directly in the cost of the actual disc.

DLC is another issue, though.

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Easy enough for you to say when the only game stores in my area are Gamestop now that Gamecrazy is gone.

Maybe if more people bought used at Gamecrazy I wont have to resort to the worst possible choice.

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SupremeZero posted...
So if I buy a used game, if it's the only possible option (as in, there isn't even a new copy available anywhere), I'm deliberately killing the industry?

No; if the game is out-of-print, then that's fine. Watch out though--the immoral thing Gamestop does is not order enough new games because they make more money on used sales, and want to tell customers "oh, we're all out of new copies, but we have used right over here."

Garbodor posted...
maybe game companies should make games that people want to keep

Eh, the thing is, there's a difference between a good game and a game that keeps someone occupied for a hundred hours.

JaKyL25 posted...
They've ALWAYS been $50-$70, even as production costs have skyrocketed since the NES era. It's actually a fairly consumer-friendly business model. Game companies never pass along the extra money they're spending onto you, at least directly in the cost of the actual disc.

Pretty much, yes. In the PS1 era you could make a game for a million, no problem. PS2, ten million. PS3 is like...twenty to fourty? The jump isn't as bad as it might have been because of all the fantastic middleware, but you still need to hire more artists.

MarvelousGerbil posted...
I don't feel like it falls on me to not destroy the industry, that's kind of the industry's job. I don't have unlimited money, so I buy it in the cheapest way available. Typically that's online, but on occasion I get a good used deal at Gamestop.

Online is good; buying a discounted game online often gives more money to the developer than buying a full-price game from Gamestop.

Grand Kirby posted...
Somehow many industries can survive used sales, but the video game industry is hemophilic or something. They much such a big deal about how they can't handle these little hits. I don't really have that much sympathy.

Other industries also get back a much larger percentage of the sale. Like...game companies get about $10 from every new $50 purchase made in a game store. 80% is being taken off the top from the distributors, from the console manufacturers, etc. This is why game companies salivate at digital distribution systems like Steam, where they can take home 70% rather than 20%. Compare this to, say, the comic industry that complains about Apple taking 30% off the top of each sale, and how they can't make money digitally.

So yes, not every industry is the same.

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So I have to gamble with my money and ONLY buy new games?

If I can only buy two or three new games a year and they all happen to stink, but I thought they would be good, does that mean I like video games? Does that mean that video gamers like to make themselves go through crap?

If someone buys a used game, they may really like it and buy the sequel new. Plus, if you can only buy new games then nobody is going to buy games that get scores of less than 8 by critic or player reviews, because why buy an inferior product for the same price?

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This is why game companies salivate at digital distribution systems like Steam, where they can take home 70% rather than 20%. Compare this to, say, the comic industry that complains about Apple taking 30% off the top of each sale, and how they can't make money digitally.

digital distribution is good for everyone, gamers can buy more games because they're cheaper, game devs keep more of their profits...and it's better than discs to begin with, no loading times for a slow disc reader or worrying about scratches, discs are obsolete as far as I'm concerned

Yeah, especially as hard drive space continues to get cheaper over the next few years, by the time the next wave of Microsoft and Sony consoles come out in 2013 or 2014, it'll probably just be a waste of shelf space to buy discs.

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whatisurnameplz posted...
If someone buys a used game, they may really like it and buy the sequel new.

You can make the same argument about piracy.

To the game creators there is no real difference between piracy and used game sales. In both cases the game creator gets no money.

whatisurnameplz posted...
If I can only buy two or three new games a year and they all happen to stink, but I thought they would be good, does that mean I like video games?

If you can only buy two or three new games per year, I would rather you go ahead and buy two or three games new, and pirate the rest. At least then some money is going to the game creators, instead of buying seven used games, where no money goes to the game creators.

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less console games more pc games

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I'd buy from Gamestop used all the time except that I have a store which sells used games cheaper.

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From: metroid composite | #036
If you can only buy two or three new games per year, I would rather you go ahead and buy two or three games new, and pirate the rest. At least then some money is going to the game creators, instead of buying seven used games, where no money goes to the game creators.

If you're telling me to pirate all but three games, I may as well just pirate everything for no cost!

Now you're getting no money. Now what?

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Liquid Wind posted...
that being said, no one should ever buy anything from gamestop, that goes without saying.

I personally go to gamestop because of the hot gamestop gurls, and the occasional midget.

Also because it's the only real video game shop in the area.

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From: Liquid Wind | #034
digital distribution is good for everyone, gamers can buy more games because they're cheaper, game devs keep more of their profits...and it's better than discs to begin with, no loading times for a slow disc reader or worrying about scratches, discs are obsolete as far as I'm concerned

Lmao what?

This is why I use Gamefly (in spite of the horrible turnaround time). I generally get to play everything I want to play, for far less than buying used *or* new

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I usually buy new games on Amazon. They give me discounts and shipping on the release date. Gamestop does have pre-order bonuses though.

Also, GameFly. Cancelled because of lack of games during the summer, but I see it being very useful to battle the onslaught of games coming soon.

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Sir Cobain posted...
industry is supposed to adapt to its customers, not the other way around

This is the best post in this topic. Good developers have already started doing this.

FFDragon posted...
I would totally download a bear.

This is the second best post in this topic. I too would download a bear.

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Lmao what?

you can find lots of games on steam and XBLA for $10-20, they may not have the most cutting edge graphics but...in the meantime you have nintendo still charging $50 for NSMB wii, which looks like it could have been made on the N64. digital distribution is the best thing to happen to gaming in the past 10 years

From: Liquid Wind | #047
in the meantime you have nintendo still charging $50 for NSMB wii, which looks like it could have been made on the N64

"2d games!? What an inferior form of gaming, how could they charge full-price for that!?"

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"2d games!? What an inferior form of gaming, how could they charge full-price for that!?"

I love 2D games, not what I'm implying at all

the production costs are lower, though, so it does feel underhanded for them to charge that

whatisurnameplz posted...
From: metroid composite | #036
If you can only buy two or three new games per year, I would rather you go ahead and buy two or three games new, and pirate the rest. At least then some money is going to the game creators, instead of buying seven used games, where no money goes to the game creators.
If you're telling me to pirate all but three games, I may as well just pirate everything for no cost!

Now you're getting no money. Now what?

I'm making the assumption that you actually care about the game makers who create your entertainment getting money so that they can continue making good games.

If you don't want them to continue making good games, then whatever.

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