Board 8 > never buy used current generation games from gamestop

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ZFS 08/14/11 10:51:00 AM #101:	There exists a middle ground between $30 million blockbuster and $1 iPhone games. Most games that are given smart budgets see huge profits (far more than any iPhone game can generate) despite costing $20 million. Once medium-sized companies stop trying to compete with the monster publishers the industry will be healthier overall. -- Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. <cite>ZFS posted [p:205128] in never buy ... [t:60014858]...</cite> <quote> There exists a middle ground between $30 million blockbuster and $1 iPhone games. Most games that are given smart budgets see huge profits (far more than any iPhone game can generate) despite costing $20 million. Once medium-sized companies stop trying to compete with the monster publishers the industry will be healthier overall. -- Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlecTrevelyan006 08/14/11 10:53:00 AM #102:	One problem with digital download: xbox live arcade games and virtual console games say the same price forever due to no competition. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/51alecpngpa.png -Nio <cite>AlecTrevelyan006 posted [p:205129] in never buy ... [t:60014858]...</cite> <quote> One problem with digital download: xbox live arcade games and virtual console games say the same price forever due to no competition. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/51alecpngpa.png -Nio </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 08/14/11 10:54:00 AM #103:	Don't forget that big budgets ALSO provide more freedom for creativity in development. The past few years have proven this, just look at LA Noire. That game would've been canceled years ago if it weren't for R* throwing so much money at it. I think that's more the exception than the rule though, and has a lot to do with Rockstar knowing its fanbase. Look at movies. The only things given huge budgets 9 times out of 10 are sequels and licensed material, basically stuff with a built-in fanbase. Occasionally you get something like Avatar that comes along as an original IP that shatters all records, but those are increasingly rare. Rockstar in this analogy is something akin to Pixar (as funny as that sounds), where the studio itself is enough of a brand name to put out more original IPs than other studios, and even then occasionally they need to do a Cars 2/GTA 5 to fund the next couple projects. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://img.imgcake.com/Icon/Punkjpguh.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:205130] in never buy ... [t:60014858]...</cite> <quote> Don't forget that big budgets ALSO provide more freedom for creativity in development. The past few years have proven this, just look at LA Noire. That game would've been canceled years ago if it weren't for R* throwing so much money at it.I think that's more the exception than the rule though, and has a lot to do with Rockstar knowing its fanbase.Look at movies. The only things given huge budgets 9 times out of 10 are sequels and licensed material, basically stuff with a built-in fanbase. Occasionally you get something like Avatar that comes along as an original IP that shatters all records, but those are increasingly rare.Rockstar in this analogy is something akin to Pixar (as funny as that sounds), where the studio itself is enough of a brand name to put out more original IPs than other studios, and even then occasionally they need to do a Cars 2/GTA 5 to fund the next couple projects. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://img.imgcake.com/Icon/Punkjpguh.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranzonEx 08/14/11 10:56:00 AM #104:	Once hardware makers start to standardize their hardware and not make it a nightmare to develop for then the price to make games will lower. Imagine if both the PS3 and 360 had similar hardware architecture, I'm willing to bet most budgets would be cut in half. <cite>GranzonEx posted [p:205131] in never buy ... [t:60014858]...</cite> <quote> Once hardware makers start to standardize their hardware and not make it a nightmare to develop for then the price to make games will lower. Imagine if both the PS3 and 360 had similar hardware architecture, I'm willing to bet most budgets would be cut in half. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZFS 08/14/11 11:01:00 AM #105:	I doubt that would make much difference, the PS3 and 360 being the same. Hardware should be relatively easy to develop for, but porting costs aren't a significant chunk of a game's budget, I don't believe. Developers port because they're going to see a bigger return by doing it. If it were excessively expensive, most devs would be making more 360 exclusives. -- Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. <cite>ZFS posted [p:205132] in never buy ... [t:60014858]...</cite> <quote> I doubt that would make much difference, the PS3 and 360 being the same. Hardware should be relatively easy to develop for, but porting costs aren't a significant chunk of a game's budget, I don't believe. Developers port because they're going to see a bigger return by doing it. If it were excessively expensive, most devs would be making more 360 exclusives. -- Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dauntless Hunter 08/14/11 11:05:00 AM #106:	From: AlecTrevelyan006 \| #102 One problem with digital download: xbox live arcade games and virtual console games say the same price forever due to no competition. XBLA games go on sale all the time, there is literally an Xbox "Deal of the Week" where something goes on sale every week. Sometimes it's an XBLA game, sometimes it's DLC, sometimes it's a Games on Demand game, sometimes it's multiple things. And then there are the "Xbox Live Arcade Hits", XBLA games that have had permanent price drops. For example, Lumines Live launched at $15 but is now $10. -- Black Turtle spilled my diet soda! <cite>Dauntless Hunter posted [p:205133] in never buy ... [t:60014858]...</cite> <quote> From: AlecTrevelyan006 \| #102One problem with digital download: xbox live arcade games and virtual console games say the same price forever due to no competition.XBLA games go on sale all the time, there is literally an Xbox "Deal of the Week" where something goes on sale every week. Sometimes it's an XBLA game, sometimes it's DLC, sometimes it's a Games on Demand game, sometimes it's multiple things. And then there are the "Xbox Live Arcade Hits", XBLA games that have had permanent price drops. For example, Lumines Live launched at $15 but is now $10. -- Black Turtle spilled my diet soda! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolmor0n 08/14/11 11:08:00 AM #107:	From: JaKyL25 \| #103 Look at movies. The only things given huge budgets 9 times out of 10 are sequels and licensed material, basically stuff with a built-in fanbase. Occasionally you get something like Avatar that comes along as an original IP that shatters all records, but those are increasingly rare. With games it's very different, I think. Sure, you have the indie devs with all their original ideas and stuff like that, but you also have these huge publishers that own a bunch of little game studios. Those smaller studios often have great and ambitious ideas that only come to fruition with the money from the big publisher. For example, Mirror's Edge and Battlefield 3 made a lot of revolutionary advancements that couldn't have been done without EA. Assassin's Creed was only successful because of the ridiculous amount of advertising Ubisoft did, and that led to its amazing sequels. Portal and Left 4 Dead were great ideas made perfect by Valve's money, etc. -- _foolmo_ 'I love you so much' - SineNomine <cite>foolmor0n posted [p:205134] in never buy ... [t:60014858]...</cite> <quote> From: JaKyL25 \| #103Look at movies. The only things given huge budgets 9 times out of 10 are sequels and licensed material, basically stuff with a built-in fanbase. Occasionally you get something like Avatar that comes along as an original IP that shatters all records, but those are increasingly rare.With games it's very different, I think.Sure, you have the indie devs with all their original ideas and stuff like that, but you also have these huge publishers that own a bunch of little game studios. Those smaller studios often have great and ambitious ideas that only come to fruition with the money from the big publisher. For example, Mirror's Edge and Battlefield 3 made a lot of revolutionary advancements that couldn't have been done without EA. Assassin's Creed was only successful because of the ridiculous amount of advertising Ubisoft did, and that led to its amazing sequels. Portal and Left 4 Dead were great ideas made perfect by Valve's money, etc. -- _foolmo_'I love you so much' - SineNomine </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Silverliner182V 08/14/11 11:24:00 AM #108:	imo the video game industry will crash on consoles/handhelds in the next 10 years, some people think it's already crashing in japan! -- maybe, lol <cite>Silverliner182V posted [p:205135] in never buy ... [t:60014858]...</cite> <quote> imo the video game industry will crash on consoles/handhelds in the next 10 years, some people think it's already crashing in japan! -- maybe, lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 08/14/11 11:29:00 AM #109:	It may already be crashing for handhelds here! We'll see how Vita does/how the price drop helps 3DS. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://img.imgcake.com/Icon/Punkjpguh.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:205136] in never buy ... [t:60014858]...</cite> <quote> It may already be crashing for handhelds here! We'll see how Vita does/how the price drop helps 3DS. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://img.imgcake.com/Icon/Punkjpguh.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 08/14/11 11:30:00 AM #110:	i bought my 3ds so im doing my part -- TheRock ~ Death By Misadventure, Not Suicide "Would've liked to see that." - Ayuyu on my boner <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:205137] in never buy ... [t:60014858]...</cite> <quote> i bought my 3ds so im doing my part -- TheRock ~ Death By Misadventure, Not Suicide "Would've liked to see that." - Ayuyu on my boner </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranzonEx 08/14/11 11:31:00 AM #111:	From: TheRock1525 \| #110 i bought my 3ds so im doing my part But that's part of the problem. <cite>GranzonEx posted [p:205138] in never buy ... [t:60014858]...</cite> <quote> From: TheRock1525 \| #110i bought my 3ds so im doing my partBut that's part of the problem. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 08/14/11 11:33:00 AM #112:	why is that part of the problem? -- TheRock ~ Death By Misadventure, Not Suicide "Would've liked to see that." - Ayuyu on my boner <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:205139] in never buy ... [t:60014858]...</cite> <quote> why is that part of the problem? -- TheRock ~ Death By Misadventure, Not Suicide "Would've liked to see that." - Ayuyu on my boner </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Liquid Wind 08/14/11 11:34:00 AM #113:	handhelds I could see crashing, smartphones do the same thing but cheaper: provide a distraction while you're on public transportation or goofing off at work. consoles don't have a clear competitor like smartphones though, there's PC gaming but that has existed forever and hasn't proven a threat to consoles because there are clear advantages to owning consoles <cite>Liquid Wind posted [p:205140] in never buy ... [t:60014858]...</cite> <quote> handhelds I could see crashing, smartphones do the same thing but cheaper: provide a distraction while you're on public transportation or goofing off at work. consoles don't have a clear competitor like smartphones though, there's PC gaming but that has existed forever and hasn't proven a threat to consoles because there are clear advantages to owning consoles </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranzonEx 08/14/11 2:07:00 PM #114:	From: TheRock1525 \| #112 why is that part of the problem? Overpriced hardware with no games. You support that sort of mentality and they'll get the wrong idea and you will end up with no games. <cite>GranzonEx posted [p:205141] in never buy ... [t:60014858]...</cite> <quote> From: TheRock1525 \| #112why is that part of the problem?Overpriced hardware with no games. You support that sort of mentality and they'll get the wrong idea and you will end up with no games. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 08/14/11 3:32:00 PM #115:	*GranzonEx posted...* From: TheRock1525 \| #112 why is that part of the problem? Overpriced hardware with no games. You support that sort of mentality and they'll get the wrong idea and you will end up with no games. But there are a ton of games coming up I want: Star Fox Tales of the Abyss Mario Kart VII Kid Icarus I'm buying the game based on planned releases. I doubt they suddenly pull them and go "haha no games for you" -- TheRock ~ Death By Misadventure, Not Suicide "Would've liked to see that." - Ayuyu on my boner <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:205142] in never buy ... [t:60014858]...</cite> <quote> GranzonEx posted...From: TheRock1525 \| #112why is that part of the problem?Overpriced hardware with no games. You support that sort of mentality and they'll get the wrong idea and you will end up with no games.But there are a ton of games coming up I want:Star Fox Tales of the AbyssMario Kart VIIKid IcarusI'm buying the game based on planned releases. I doubt they suddenly pull them and go "haha no games for you" -- TheRock ~ Death By Misadventure, Not Suicide "Would've liked to see that." - Ayuyu on my boner </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Liquid Wind 08/14/11 3:37:00 PM #116:	remake tales mario kart lol sora 3DS is such a good platform <cite>Liquid Wind posted [p:205143] in never buy ... [t:60014858]...</cite> <quote> remaketalesmario kartlol sora3DS is such a good platform </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 08/14/11 7:44:00 PM #117:	*Liquid Wind posted...* remake tales mario kart lol sora 3DS is such a good platform Correction: Game I'll Enjoy Game I'll Enjoy Game I'll Enjoy Game I'll Enjoy (I don't get the lol sora thing there but whatevs) You're right, 3DS is a great platform because it'll have a lot of games I'll enjoy. It's almost as if people can have different tastes in games and that shows how much they value a system! Crazy, I know! Not everything is dogmatic, especially in the realm of what is essentially toys you can play with at any age and not be completely judged by them. -- TheRock ~ Death By Misadventure, Not Suicide "Would've liked to see that." - Ayuyu on my boner <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:205144] in never buy ... [t:60014858]...</cite> <quote> Liquid Wind posted...remaketalesmario kartlol sora3DS is such a good platformCorrection:Game I'll EnjoyGame I'll EnjoyGame I'll EnjoyGame I'll Enjoy (I don't get the lol sora thing there but whatevs)You're right, 3DS is a great platform because it'll have a lot of games I'll enjoy. It's almost as if people can have different tastes in games and that shows how much they value a system!Crazy, I know! Not everything is dogmatic, especially in the realm of what is essentially toys you can play with at any age and not be completely judged by them. -- TheRock ~ Death By Misadventure, Not Suicide "Would've liked to see that." - Ayuyu on my boner </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SubDeity 08/15/11 12:11:00 AM #118:	By what I know, used current generation games at GS are like $5 less than new ones. In this case, yeah, there's no excuse for buying used. Why? It's five dollars cheaper than new. -- "The U.S. should detonate all its nukes on its own soil."-Terran [Evil Republican] Play Der Langrisser. <cite>SubDeity posted [p:205145] in never buy ... [t:60014858]...</cite> <quote> By what I know, used current generation games at GS are like $5 less than new ones. In this case, yeah, there's no excuse for buying used.Why? It's five dollars cheaper than new. -- "The U.S. should detonate all its nukes on its own soil."-Terran [Evil Republican]Play Der Langrisser. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
paperwarior 08/15/11 12:24:00 AM #119:	By what I know, used current generation games at GS are like $5 less than new ones. In this case, yeah, there's no excuse for buying used. This is the worst-case scenario that everyone talks about, but GS does sell used stuff for decent prices sometimes. Of course, it's totally outclassed by peer-to-peer marketplaces. -- "God Hand is the ultimate expression of the joy of humanity, specifically the punching part of the joy of humanity."-Shigeru Miyamoto <cite>paperwarior posted [p:205146] in never buy ... [t:60014858]...</cite> <quote> By what I know, used current generation games at GS are like $5 less than new ones. In this case, yeah, there's no excuse for buying used.This is the worst-case scenario that everyone talks about, but GS does sell used stuff for decent prices sometimes. Of course, it's totally outclassed by peer-to-peer marketplaces. -- "God Hand is the ultimate expression of the joy of humanity, specifically the punching part of the joy of humanity."-Shigeru Miyamoto </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Liquid Wind 08/16/11 6:39:00 PM #120:	Crazy, I know! Not everything is dogmatic you have to be pretty dogmatically attached to nintendo to say that you'd enjoy all four of those games also I'm not letting this get buried, it still deserves ridicule *TheKoolAidShoto posted...* Gamestop is the savior of the industry <cite>Liquid Wind posted [p:205147] in never buy ... [t:60014858]...</cite> <quote> Crazy, I know! Not everything is dogmaticyou have to be pretty dogmatically attached to nintendo to say that you'd enjoy all four of those gamesalso I'm not letting this get buried, it still deserves ridiculeTheKoolAidShoto posted...Gamestop is the savior of the industry </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
whatisurnameplz 08/16/11 7:18:00 PM #121:	From: Liquid Wind \| #120 you have to be pretty dogmatically attached to nintendo to say that you'd enjoy all four of those games [quoted text] So every gamer that isn't dogmatically attached to Nintendo enjoys only three of the following: 3D shooters RPGs with battle systems somewhat based off of fighting games Kart racing games Beat 'em up-shooter hybrids -- Give up some love for the Guru! Ladies and gentleman, the Incredible Black Turtle! <cite>whatisurnameplz posted [p:205148] in never buy ... [t:60014858]...</cite> <quote> From: Liquid Wind \| #120you have to be pretty dogmatically attached to nintendo to say that you'd enjoy all four of those games[quoted text]So every gamer that isn't dogmatically attached to Nintendo enjoys only three of the following:3D shootersRPGs with battle systems somewhat based off of fighting gamesKart racing gamesBeat 'em up-shooter hybrids -- Give up some love for the Guru!Ladies and gentleman, the Incredible Black Turtle! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
stoneraider 08/16/11 7:36:00 PM #122:	Hmm, what if the companies offered to buy back used games and resell them themselves? Would that help? <cite>stoneraider posted [p:205149] in never buy ... [t:60014858]...</cite> <quote> Hmm, what if the companies offered to buy back used games and resell them themselves? Would that help? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranzonEx 08/16/11 7:38:00 PM #123:	From: stoneraider \| #122 Hmm, what if the companies offered to buy back used games and resell them themselves? Would that help? That would help. All the megapublishers should pool their resources together and open their own chain of stores to do just that. <cite>GranzonEx posted [p:205150] in never buy ... [t:60014858]...</cite> <quote> From: stoneraider \| #122Hmm, what if the companies offered to buy back used games and resell them themselves? Would that help?That would help. All the megapublishers should pool their resources together and open their own chain of stores to do just that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Maniac64 08/16/11 7:41:00 PM #124:	*GranzonEx posted...* From: stoneraider \| #122 Hmm, what if the companies offered to buy back used games and resell them themselves? Would that help? That would help. All the megapublishers should pool their resources together and open their own chain of stores to do just that. I'd go there. -- "Hope is allowed to be stupid, unwise, and naive." ~Sir Chris <cite>Maniac64 posted [p:205151] in never buy ... [t:60014858]...</cite> <quote> GranzonEx posted...From: stoneraider \| #122Hmm, what if the companies offered to buy back used games and resell them themselves? Would that help?That would help. All the megapublishers should pool their resources together and open their own chain of stores to do just that.I'd go there. -- "Hope is allowed to be stupid, unwise, and naive." ~Sir Chris </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Liquid Wind 08/16/11 7:45:00 PM #125:	you can buy other media used, the reason it's so pervasive in gaming is that $60 is not a stable selling point, they need to bring down the massive budgets they're spending to make games and offer them at a reasonable price, then there is less incentive to buy used <cite>Liquid Wind posted [p:205152] in never buy ... [t:60014858]...</cite> <quote> you can buy other media used, the reason it's so pervasive in gaming is that $60 is not a stable selling point, they need to bring down the massive budgets they're spending to make games and offer them at a reasonable price, then there is less incentive to buy used </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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