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baubeta 08/09/11 9:53:00 PM #1: |
Long story short: Extra Credits runs a charity drive for one of their injured cast members. 100K floods in super quickly. It turns out the their host website has no money and wants 75% of the donations. Extra Credit quits and the site and people are freaking out all over the forums.
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Haguile 08/09/11 9:55:00 PM #2: |
I have no idea what Extra Credits is but this sounds awful.
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OmarsComin 08/09/11 9:55:00 PM #3: |
how will this affect our yahtzee viewing
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baubeta 08/09/11 9:55:00 PM #4: |
It's an animated show on their site that talks the big picture in gaming. It's basically the distant number 2 to Zero Punctuation.
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KamikazePotato 08/09/11 9:56:00 PM #5: |
uuuuuh isn't that the place with Zero Punctuation
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KJH 08/09/11 10:01:00 PM #6: |
Extra Credit is the group of pretentious people who think their opinions matter yet use voice changers to make themselves even more annoying.
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CeraSeptem 08/09/11 10:06:00 PM #7: |
So let me make sure I get it.
The Escapist website, as the host for Extra Credit, wants 75,000 of the money people pledged for an injured person? Well they deserve what comes next I guess! -- I ****ing love to cuddle. I'm being oppressed! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SmartMuffin 08/09/11 10:07:00 PM #8: |
Yahtzee could totally go to ANY site, demand ANY figure of money, and they would immediately give it to him and give him a BIGGER platform. Maybe SBA should get going on that.
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SubDeity 08/09/11 10:08:00 PM #9: |
Here's a response from Escapist.
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TheKoolAidShoto 08/09/11 10:09:00 PM #10: |
Sad to hear that, because I really like that show and it seems to be one of the few places that think intelligently about video games, even if I don't agree with them 100% of the time. Its a popular show though, so I'm sure it'll bounce back off its feet in no time.
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LeonhartFour 08/09/11 10:09:00 PM #11: |
You gotta wonder what's going through these guys' heads to demand 75% of total charity contributions to help an injured person.
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SmartMuffin 08/09/11 10:11:00 PM #12: |
You gotta wonder what's going through these guys' heads to demand 75% of total charity contributions to help an injured person.
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baubeta 08/09/11 10:11:00 PM #13: |
Alright, this is even messier.
Seems EC got extra money and decided to start a game publishing company with it. ...Which is probably not what most people donated for. Ya, this is gonna get messier and messier. Internet: serious business -- Love, Bobeta ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheKoolAidShoto 08/09/11 10:12:00 PM #14: |
I reasonably interpreted "save Extra Credits" to mean that anything beyond what was needed for Allison's surgery would be used on Extra Credits production.
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KamikazePotato 08/09/11 10:15:00 PM #15: |
Seems EC got extra money and decided to start a game publishing company with it.
LOL that might be even worse than what The Escapist is doing. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WazzupGenius00 08/09/11 10:15:00 PM #16: |
The Escapist is a s*** website anyway, only good thing to come out of it is There Will Be Brawl
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Biolizard28 08/09/11 10:15:00 PM #17: |
Jesus H Christ, I thought this guy was reasonable and would actively oppose a game company using technicalities like that.
I watched the episode where they asked for donations, and no indication was given that it would be for anything except the artist's medical costs. Guest artists would be phoned in and everything would be right as rain. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo Now this is entertainment! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Biolizard28 08/09/11 10:16:00 PM #18: |
WazzupGenius00 posted...
The Escapist is a s*** website anyway, only good thing to come out of it is There Will Be Brawl MovieBob is an intelligent human being and makes interesting series. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo Now this is entertainment! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PartOfYourWorld 08/09/11 10:16:00 PM #19: |
How the hell did they bring in 100k for an injured gaming dude guy man? Are they seriously that big? The Speed Gamers have only brought in half that number twice, with huge week-long marathons benefiting known charities.
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Shoenin_Kakashi 08/09/11 10:17:00 PM #20: |
baubeta posted...
Alright, this is even messier. Seems EC got extra money and decided to start a game publishing company with it. ...Which is probably not what most people donated for. Ya, this is gonna get messier and messier. Internet: serious business Welp -- Nice catch BlAcK TuRtLe. But too bad your ass got SAAAAAAAAAAACKED.*tackles* ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rad Link 5 08/09/11 10:17:00 PM #21: |
From: SmartMuffin | #008 Thaaaat's taking it a bit far. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police Resident Straight Edge Superstar of Board 8 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KimPilgrim 08/09/11 10:17:00 PM #22: |
From: SubDeity | #009 I really don't know who to agree with here. Asking for surgery charity money to fund a gaming site is messed up. Taking surgery charity money and using it to start a company without telling anyone beforehand is also a dick move. I'm gonna settle with "**** em both". -- ~LtM http://img.imgcake.com/1312163320349pngag.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GenesisTwilight 08/09/11 10:18:00 PM #23: |
From: baubeta | #013 I was completely on EC's side until I saw this. Now I don't know WHAT to think. -- http://backloggery.com/genesistwilight/sig.gif http://h4.abload.de/img/hghdeadpoolbth7.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheKoolAidShoto 08/09/11 10:18:00 PM #24: |
The 100k was for Alison, the woman who draws the series. It's a popular series, so I'm eager to see how the fallout effects everything. Can't look away from car crashes and all that.
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LeonhartFour 08/09/11 10:18:00 PM #25: |
Oh good, now both sides are stupid.
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PartOfYourWorld 08/09/11 10:19:00 PM #26: |
Here's what you think: AVGN is assuredly better than all these people anyway, even when he's on hiatus.
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SmartMuffin 08/09/11 10:19:00 PM #27: |
The correct thing to think is "Don't give money to random strangers on the Internet just because they insist it's for a good cause"
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GenesisTwilight 08/09/11 10:19:00 PM #28: |
Actually, I was one of the ones who donated, and even after the goal was reached. I'm actually tempted to request my donation be refunded, seeing as how it was not put towards it's intended purpose.
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Biolizard28 08/09/11 10:19:00 PM #29: |
PartOfYourWorld posted...
How the hell did they bring in 100k for an injured gaming dude guy man? Are they seriously that big? The Speed Gamers have only brought in half that number twice, with huge week-long marathons benefiting known charities. They're a fairly big deal on the site, enough to get billing right underneath Yahtzee's series on the main page. It's also got a similar art style and is a bit famous for being more... I dunno, "high brow" than most other series? They have a lot of good ideas, but they also have a tendency to fall into the trap of analyzing crap that doesn't exist. Like how an 8-bit arcade game about preventing a missile strike is a terrifying experience and some of the best storytelling the medium has ever seen. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo Now this is entertainment! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rad Link 5 08/09/11 10:19:00 PM #30: |
The comments of that story on Facebook are easily the best part.
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Haguile 08/09/11 10:20:00 PM #31: |
So apparently they needed 15k to treat the injured person. They got a lot of extra money. They signed an ambiguous contract over the donations. Escapist says that the contract means that any extra money goes to either the production of new episodes or just handed over to them. The extra guys say they get to do whatever they want so long as it's associated with the show, which the publisher apparently is.
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WazzupGenius00 08/09/11 10:20:00 PM #32: |
From: PartOfYourWorld | #026 and he even made an AVGN video just recently despite his hiatus! -- A hare like me couldn't catch up to Black Turtle. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OmarsComin 08/09/11 10:21:00 PM #33: |
can one of you facebook-having people copy and paste from the links, please? :)
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LeonhartFour 08/09/11 10:22:00 PM #34: |
Hey guys. This is Alexander Macris. I'm the publisher. Jame's statements are very one-sided so I think they deserve a response.
Yes, we are having a very unfortunate dispute with James over Extra Credits, and yes, he's planning to leave The Escapist, despite our repeated requests that he stay. It's also true that we fell behind in paying James. Here are the key facts as I see them: 1. From November 2010 to June 2011, James told us not to worry about paying him and to focus on paying other people. His exact words were "I really don’t want to squeeze you guys if you’re in a crunch, so you can put us to the bottom of the list for right now…" Given that we have been in a crunch due to the recession, we took him at his word, thanked him profusely for the flexibility, and focused on paying down other debt. (Several other shows were cancelled around November 2010 you'll recall, as we couldn't pay them, but James' flexibility allowed us to keep working with him to promote Extra Credits.) 2. This continued until June 2011, when James emailed us to alert us that he needed funds urgently. The request was partly for family matters and partly for Allison's surgery. He asked for our permission to raise funds through Kickstarter. We more than gave permission, we threw our weight into supporting it. Unfortunately, Kickstarter refused because they don't do charity. I then suggested James try RocketHub and RocketHub agreed. We again collaborated to make it a joint effort. Our agreement was that we would be compensated for the wholesale cost of the t-shirts and Publisher's Club, and that the funds would be used to save Extra Credits. I reasonably interpreted "save Extra Credits" to mean that anything beyond what was needed for Allison's surgery would be used on Extra Credits production. I also Pay-palled James as much money as we had available at that time. 3. After the RocketHub was enormously successful and James had decided to use the funds to create an indie publishing label rather than to "save Extra Credits", James decided he would no longer speak to us directly and instead assigned a "business development manager" to speak to us. James' new business development manager demanded that we assign all the IP of Extra Credits to James. 4. We indicated we would be happy to work out an IP transfer but that before we did that, we would like to make sure we got paid for the wholesale cost of the t-shirts and the Publisher's Club memberships, and that we would like to see the Extra Credits RocketHub money used to create more Extra Credits. We did NOT ask that James send us $9,500 - we said he should use $9,500 to create more episodes of the show that the money was supposed to be used to save. 5. James' business development manager at that time emailed me and told us that his position was now that we had no rights to the show, no deal, and that our entire contract was invalid. This was out of the blue as far as we were concerned. We had no understanding at this time of James' intent to use the "Save Extra Credits" money to start a publishing business. -- http://www.gifsoup.com/view/593815/frasier-and-niles-dance-o.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SmartMuffin 08/09/11 10:22:00 PM #35: |
Hipster Bob doesn't have Facebook? How totally shocking!
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TheKoolAidShoto 08/09/11 10:22:00 PM #36: |
From: Rad Link 5 | #030 You can just FEEL THE RAGE behind their passive-aggressive remarks. "Well F*** YOU BUDDY, I gonna get some lawyers on your ass" "Yeah, I like to see that, ya c***" -- http://www.yourgamercards.net/trophy/a/NathanDrake90.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Biolizard28 08/09/11 10:22:00 PM #37: |
And I'd like to remind/inform everyone that this was a donation for, what I believe was, a broken wrist.
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LeonhartFour 08/09/11 10:22:00 PM #38: |
6. At this point, Russ Pitts, our editor in chief, flew out to meet with James and his business development manager personally. They agreed that we would continue to work together; that we would transfer the IP to James in exchange for some fee to be negotiated; and that James would handle the EC t-shirts directly rather than through us. We agreed to swallow the cost of the Publisher's Club memberships, a few thousand dollars.
7. I then emailed James and his business development manager to explain that I wanted to get them paid as quickly as possible so that the back debt was not a sticking point in negotiations. I then emailed them again to say that I had talked to our Board and investors and that payment would come in about a week. 8. At this point, James had his lawyer send us an email stating that we were in breach and that unless we sent money more quickly than I had just stated we'd be able to send it, that James was terminating his relationship with us. I presume that James thought we were playing games with him, although we were not. 9. We went ahead and mailed James the money we got from our investors the next week as we had promised. James' lawyer nevertheless sent us an email indicating they intended to terminate our agreement. 10. Finally, I should add that as of last week, we had paid James over $14,000 of the $20,000 we owed him, and that as of today, our company has mailed James all payments he is owed. I have all of this documented extensively in email. James is simply in error if he believes we have ever lied to him or any of his staff. We are prepared to defend ourselves against future defamation in a court of law. Cordial regards, Alexander Macris -- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KimPilgrim 08/09/11 10:22:00 PM #39: |
James Portnow I believe the best resolution would be for the escapist to simply publish all the letters sent by you or russ to me, my business manager or my lawyer...
3 hours ago Alexander Macris If you'd like to do that, James, why don't you and I get on the phone with our attorneys tomorrow and we can mutually compile all of the emails dating back to November, and publish them in a PDF that's verified by both side's attorneys? I'm game for that. 3 hours ago James Portnow I'll mail my attorney now 3 hours ago Alexander Macris Very good. XDXD -- ~LtM http://img.imgcake.com/1312163320349pngag.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WazzupGenius00 08/09/11 10:24:00 PM #40: |
So what does the girl think about all of this?
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TheKoolAidShoto 08/09/11 10:24:00 PM #41: |
James Portnow I believe the best resolution would be for the escapist to simply publish all the letters sent by you or russ to me, my business manager or my lawyer...
3 hours ago Alexander Macris If you'd like to do that, James, why don't you and I get on the phone with our attorneys tomorrow and we can mutually compile all of the emails dating back to November, and publish them in a PDF that's verified by both side's attorneys? I'm game for that. 3 hours ago James Portnow I'll mail my attorney now 3 hours ago Alexander Macris Very good. Just delightful -- It will launch for $350 with some Wii Sports s***. I bet my life on it. Damn, that KoolAid guy is awesome - NGamer64 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 08/09/11 10:24:00 PM #42: |
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AlecTrevelyan006 08/09/11 10:26:00 PM #43: |
I love when one side comes out and goes public with something and everybody sides with them for the moment, then the truth comes out and both sides look like jackasses.
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SmartMuffin 08/09/11 10:27:00 PM #44: |
Whose side is Yahtzee on? Because seriously, 90% of the people who have heard of the escapist know it as "that place that hosts zero punctuation"
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Biolizard28 08/09/11 10:28:00 PM #45: |
SmartMuffin posted...
Whose side is Yahtzee on? Whose payroll is he on? -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo Now this is entertainment! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheKoolAidShoto 08/09/11 10:29:00 PM #46: |
From: AlecTrevelyan006 | #043 James comes out first so you can get the mob your side. Plus, hey, you make that cool show people like, they're willing to trust you over BIG EEEEEVIL CORPORATION™(Rights Reserved by Smartmuffin). -- http://www.yourgamercards.net/trophy/a/NathanDrake90.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PartOfYourWorld 08/09/11 10:29:00 PM #47: |
From: SmartMuffin | #044 yep, every couple of weeks I wonder why I have to Google "Yahtzee" because there is no yahtzee.com -- Yoblazer: http://i44.tinypic.com/5nw45i.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PartOfYourWorld 08/09/11 10:31:00 PM #48: |
Btw, if these guys could raise 100k for one of their crew, how much could Yahtzee get if he needed surgery? How much could James freakin' Rolfe get? BILLIONS?! Or would his perceived status as a successful entrepreneur limit his ability to draw charity?
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KJH 08/09/11 10:31:00 PM #49: |
I'd still side with Escapist on the basis that nothing Extra Credit does could possibly have been worth $20,000.
That and having an uncapped donations thing without even giving a vague goal, then running off with the extra to benefit themselves. -- I have no idea who you are, but I thank you for arousing me. - Beruga Brawl FC: 3823-8243-5663 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SubDeity 08/09/11 10:32:00 PM #50: |
Actually, how much money does Rolfe actually earn doing his schtick? I know had had another job back in the early days; I don't know if that's still the case now.
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