Board 8 > Hey guys, The Escapist is totally self-destructing.

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Panthera
08/10/11 12:15:00 PM
#151:


From: __Smurf__ | #144
Don't get this view of Extra Credits being "pretentious". It's well researched, well expressed opinions that you may or may not agree with it but they're presented well enough to be an enjoyable watch whether you do or don't.


Because they read into things so much that it stops making sense and they like to criticize anyone who doesn't think like them (look at their latest video, the last half of it is nothing but "people who don't agree with us hate change and want the game industry to suck"). And they are obsessed with "originality" to the point that when they decided to respond to viewer questions about what games they actually like, they pretty much said "that's a boring question, instead we'll say what games are really different, even though we admit some might not be good!". I've watched most of their videos and they're not totally awful or anything, but they definitely fit any definition of pretentious you can care to come up with.

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TheKoolAidShoto
08/10/11 12:29:00 PM
#152:


From: Panthera | #151
people who don't agree with us hate change and want the game industry to suck


They deliberately went out of the way to say the exact opposite of that in the disclaimer, and explained their position using examples of other mediums.

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Panthera
08/10/11 12:36:00 PM
#153:


From: TheKoolAidShoto | #152
They deliberately went out of the way to say the exact opposite of that in the disclaimer, and explained their position using examples of other mediums.


DISCLAIMER: I don't think the guys from Extra Credits are pretentious

But those Extra Credits guys, man they're obsessed with being as over the top ridiculous as they can, huh?

Doesn't make much sense, does it? Their entire point in the end of the video is "people who disagree are scared of change". Their examples from other mediums are nothing to do with this, that's their attempt to show that the things they advocate will benefit gaming. You did catch the part where they switch topics partway through to say "I don't think people really disagree with our position, I just think they're afraid of change, and not changing means games will suck", right?

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Biolizard28
08/10/11 12:39:00 PM
#154:


You know, the whole reason why people are afraid of games becoming more artsy was neatly summed up in another Escapist series.

Granted, it was only a small portion of it, but the answer is right there.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/2709-Magneto-Was-Right

CAN YOU SPOT THE ANSWER?

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TheKoolAidShoto
08/10/11 12:44:00 PM
#155:


I always disagreed with that video, at least on the point of "People insult/pick on the different because they are jealous". Yeah, whatever helps you sleep at night, dork.

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YetAnothrShadow
08/10/11 12:58:00 PM
#156:


The only real problem with Extra Credits is they make a 10 minute video about something that really doesn't need that much exposition and tbh isn't important in the scheme of themes or is so obvious there's no reason to explain it.

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AlecTrevelyan006
08/10/11 1:07:00 PM
#157:


From: TheKoolAidShoto | #155
I always disagreed with that video, at least on the point of "People insult/pick on the different because they are jealous". Yeah, whatever helps you sleep at night, dork.


Does he actually try to make that argument?

Then why the hell aren't the rich popular kids bullied?

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Biolizard28
08/10/11 1:14:00 PM
#158:


TheKoolAidShoto posted...
I always disagreed with that video, at least on the point of "People insult/pick on the different because they are jealous". Yeah, whatever helps you sleep at night, dork.

Missing my point.

Hint: Bill Gates, Michael Jordan.

Also, it's not really a jealousy thing. He says everyone in that situation, mostly, wants the answer not just to be that they're different, but better. And how that idea shapes culture, especially when it comes to high brow/simple things.

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BlackMageJawa
08/10/11 1:37:00 PM
#159:


What's made Lisa Foiles stop producing Top 5s?
If that photo earlier in the topic was Allison, and she's worth 100K, then someone as hot as Lisa should be able to rake in a couple of million to sort out whatever's keeping her off the site.

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Biolizard28
08/10/11 1:52:00 PM
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I would give Lisa Foiles my checkbook.

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TheKoolAidShoto
08/10/11 4:58:00 PM
#161:


Jim Sterling's opinion on the situation

https://plus.google.com/u/0/108707773649336345504/posts/FoWugkV4rHY

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OmarsComin
08/10/11 5:03:00 PM
#162:


"both sides are right and not evil

hooray"
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__Smurf__
08/10/11 6:02:00 PM
#163:


Panthera posted...
From: __Smurf__ | #144
Don't get this view of Extra Credits being "pretentious". It's well researched, well expressed opinions that you may or may not agree with it but they're presented well enough to be an enjoyable watch whether you do or don't.
Because they read into things so much that it stops making sense and they like to criticize anyone who doesn't think like them (look at their latest video, the last half of it is nothing but "people who don't agree with us hate change and want the game industry to suck"). And they are obsessed with "originality" to the point that when they decided to respond to viewer questions about what games they actually like, they pretty much said "that's a boring question, instead we'll say what games are really different, even though we admit some might not be good!". I've watched most of their videos and they're not totally awful or anything, but they definitely fit any definition of pretentious you can care to come up with.


They've always come across as strong but quite defensive in their views. They'll make a point and back it up with reasoning in extensive detail. Then look at the counter-argument and refute that in great detail. A pretentious person would state their view give some loose reasoning and expect you to accept that.

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meisnewbie
08/10/11 6:18:00 PM
#164:


are we arguing over the definition of pretentious now LOL

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Wanglicious
08/10/11 6:30:00 PM
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came in here wondering if funk posted.

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ImTheMacheteGuy
08/10/11 6:37:00 PM
#166:


What the hell is this topic talking about?

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TheKoolAidShoto
08/10/11 6:47:00 PM
#167:


I like how anybody who thinks intelligently about video games/games as art are pretentious. EscapistMagazine, Braid, Team Ico, Thatgamecompany, etc. All pretentious, artsy-fartsy douchebags we should look down upon because they try to look up.

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