Board 8 > Will there ever be a comeback for Final Fantasy?

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TomNook7
07/04/11 12:03:00 AM
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Series hasn't been good since 10 imo. And that was almost ten years ago. FF has taken the Sonic route, it seems. But apparently Sonic has recently made his comeback. Think FF can ever do the same?

And can you imagine if something like this happened to Zelda or Mario?

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LeonhartFour
07/04/11 12:03:00 AM
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I liked FFXIII.

They just need to stop wasting mainline titles with MMOs.

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Lopen
07/04/11 12:03:00 AM
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This happened to Zelda around 15 years ago actually. But who's counting.

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Psycho_Kenshin
07/04/11 12:04:00 AM
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Well thats the thing, FF is just a label, whatever director and team Square puts on it might make a great RPG sometime, and that'll be groovy. It'll probably happen again. Of course, to me it really doesn't mean much that it says Final Fantasy on it.

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Lopen
07/04/11 12:04:00 AM
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Well okay more like 13 but you get the picture.

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Highwind89
07/04/11 12:04:00 AM
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FFXIII was great. Game gets so much undeserved hate.
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TomNook7
07/04/11 12:08:00 AM
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What was good about FF13, exactly? It was literally a game that played itself. And how did that happen on such a supposedly huge budget?

Anyone who's played 4, 6, and 7 should know better than to like 13. To support that game is blasphemy...could you imagine if other JRPG series took the same route? Dragon Quest being dumbed down to linear hallways, Tales' battle system being entirely auto-battle.

It makes me lose a little bit of faith in the gaming community when I see people praise FF13.

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LeonhartFour
07/04/11 12:10:00 AM
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From: TomNook7 | #007
It was literally a game that played itself.


Yeah, all that Paradigm Shifting literally happened by itself when I played.

Anyone who's played 4, 6, and 7 should know better than to like 13.


Well, that's just a silly thing to say.

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TomNook7
07/04/11 12:10:00 AM
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Oh, and I forgot to mention that incomprehensible plot and forgettable generic J-Pop music. Not even good Persona J-pop. ****ty annoying J-Pop. What the hell ever happened to Nobou?

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Psycho_Kenshin
07/04/11 12:10:00 AM
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Everybody has different taste. To me, FFX feels kind of like that compared to previous FF games, very linear. Though I do think FFX is a pretty decent game.

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LeonhartFour
07/04/11 12:11:00 AM
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Nobuo was busy composing for FFXIV.

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paulg235
07/04/11 12:12:00 AM
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FFX is where things got bad. 12 and 13 weren't good enough to bring the series back to form.

I want to see how they do a main Final Fantasy game "Mega Man 9" style.

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TomNook7
07/04/11 12:13:00 AM
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paulg235 posted...
I want to see how they do a main Final Fantasy game "Mega Man 9" style.

yes

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LeonhartFour
07/04/11 12:15:00 AM
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Final Fantasy will never go "retro" like MM9 did. They'll go in the opposite direction by modernizing all their old games like they did with FFI, FFIII, and FFIV.

And then FFIV again.

And then FFIV again.

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StealThisSheen
07/04/11 12:16:00 AM
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12 played itself.

The only way you can say 13 played itself is if you played for less than an hour.



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Psycho_Kenshin
07/04/11 12:16:00 AM
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Speaking of Square-Enix, goddamn they taking their time on Dragon Quest X.

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vcharon
07/04/11 12:16:00 AM
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Don't see how FFX is "where it got bad"; game is a true jRPG in the heart of the series. Just because you don't like the characters or story is not just cause to bash the game.

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BIGPUN9999
07/04/11 12:17:00 AM
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XII was truly the lowest point

as I've said, XIII seriously can't be as bad

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LeonhartFour
07/04/11 12:17:00 AM
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From: vcharon | #017
Don't see how FFX is "where it got bad"; game is a true jRPG in the heart of the series.


No world map, "linear," streamlined the airship, etc.

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LeonhartFour
07/04/11 12:18:00 AM
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(Note: I don't agree with those things, but old school JRPG purists take issue with the "modern" stuff FFX does like that)

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TomNook7
07/04/11 12:18:00 AM
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I got to the point where FF13 "opens up" and it somehow got worse. Then I gave up on it forever.

And I didn't mean FF10 is bad...it's one of my favorites. I meant everything after it has been bad. I liked 10 a lot better than 8 and 9...but 8 and 9 were decent. Unlike everything after 10.

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KamikazePotato
07/04/11 12:18:00 AM
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Old school JRPG purists are pretty terrible.

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Lopen
07/04/11 12:19:00 AM
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Anyone who says "linear" is a bad thing yet claims to be a Final Fantasy fan has something wrong with them as that literally means their favorite games in the series are FFXII and FFII

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Haguile
07/04/11 12:25:00 AM
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FF12 was okay.

FF13 was...there was nothing technically wrong with it, I just didn't see anything right with it either. I got bored with the game.

That said it wasn't terrible. They can probably improve. Let's see how Versus goes!
...Does Versus have a release date?

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LeonhartFour
07/04/11 12:26:00 AM
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From: Haguile | #024
...Does Versus have a release date?


LOL

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Highwind89
07/04/11 12:27:00 AM
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TomNook7 posted...
Anyone who's played 4, 6, and 7 should know better than to like 13.

Guess I don't know any better than.
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HeroDelTiempo17
07/04/11 12:29:00 AM
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Honestly Type-0 and Versus XIII should be XV and XVI. That way if they end up being good, they'd be considered part of the main line. Not to mention more people would care about them.

But Square Enix is too cool for that I guess

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ZFS
07/04/11 12:31:00 AM
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There are degrees of linearity that are acceptable, and FFXIII went well past it. You can like other FF games while still criticizing FFXIII's linear design.

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Haguile
07/04/11 12:31:00 AM
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From: LeonhartFour | #025
LOL


Okay, okay, dumb question.

From: HeroDelTiempo17 | #027
Honestly Type-0 and Versus XIII should be XV and XVI. That way if they end up being good, they'd be considered part of the main line. Not to mention more people would care about them.

But Square Enix is too cool for that I guess


Yeah, if a title doesn't have a number, no one pays attention to it. Crystal Bearers was honestly fun, though flawed. But nobody played it!

(Yes I have to bring up CB in every FF thread)

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LeonhartFour
07/04/11 12:33:00 AM
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From: Haguile | #029
Yeah, if a title doesn't have a number, no one pays attention to it. Crystal Bearers was honestly fun, though flawed. But nobody played it!

(Yes I have to bring up CB in every FF thread)


You should try to promote Crystal Bearers for Amazon's Buy One Get One Free sale this week and get people to buy it!

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KanzarisKelshen
07/04/11 12:34:00 AM
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The problem with Square is simple: brain drain. I don't think a single one of the people who worked on anything from FF6 to FFX are still there, except Nomura and Uematsu. Square needs to fish for some new talent to replace all the guys they lost.

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Haguile
07/04/11 12:35:00 AM
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From: LeonhartFour | #030
You should try to promote Crystal Bearers for Amazon's Buy One Get One Free sale this week and get people to buy it!


I should! But...it does have its flaws. It's hard to hype it. The best hype I can give it is saying it's like "Skies of Arcadia with action instead of random battles."
...Which is a lot of hype considering SoA is my favorite game ever!

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GuessMyUserName
07/04/11 12:37:00 AM
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From: Haguile | Posted: 7/4/2011 3:31:48 AM | #029
Yeah, if a title doesn't have a number, no one pays attention to it.


Type-0 and Versus XIII both have numbers!

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ZFS
07/04/11 12:37:00 AM
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Uematsu actually left years ago! He's freelance, so Square doesn't pay him to compose for major games anymore, except for FFXIV. What an awful investment that was.

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Haguile
07/04/11 12:38:00 AM
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From: GuessMyUserName | #033
Type-0 and Versus XIII both have numbers!


You know what I meant!

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LinkMarioSamus
07/04/11 12:48:00 AM
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I suppose I shouldn't post here since Final Fantasy VI and Chrono Trigger are the only games from Square that I've beaten, but yeah.

If Square is supposedly this bad now, then it sure has been one heck of a slide, because FF6 and CT both shot straight up to my top 5 when I played through them.

I see some FF7 in my life in two or three months though...

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KanzarisKelshen
07/04/11 1:01:00 AM
#37:


ZFS posted...
Uematsu actually left years ago! He's freelance, so Square doesn't pay him to compose for major games anymore, except for FFXIV. What an awful investment that was.

...Really? Jeeze. Literally one guy out of the whole damn dream factory from the 90's is left. That's awful. :(

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KanzarisKelshen
07/04/11 1:02:00 AM
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LinkMarioSamus posted...
I suppose I shouldn't post here since Final Fantasy VI and Chrono Trigger are the only games from Square that I've beaten, but yeah.

If Square is supposedly this bad now, then it sure has been one heck of a slide, because FF6 and CT both shot straight up to my top 5 when I played through them.

I see some FF7 in my life in two or three months though...


You don't know the half of it, brother. Everything from FF4 to 6 (It starts with one of the SNES games) to FFX is a rollercoaster of awesomeness. The rest? Terrible, terrible, terrible.

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pjbasis
07/04/11 1:04:00 AM
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KanzarisKelshen posted...
You don't know the half of it, brother. Everything from FF4 to 6 (It starts with one of the SNES games) to FFX is a rollercoaster of awesomeness. The rest? Terrible, terrible, terrible.

Cookie cutter opinion from cookie cutter people.

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ZFS
07/04/11 1:09:00 AM
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KanzarisKelshen posted...
...Really? Jeeze. Literally one guy out of the whole damn dream factory from the 90's is left. That's awful. :(

Yeah, that's one reason Square is in the position they are today. Once Sakaguchi left, and that merger with Enix went through, there was an exodus of talented people. Nomura and Kitase are about all that's left - and Kitase doesn't make games anymore, he only oversees them. SE is a really mismanaged company right now.

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vcharon
07/04/11 1:09:00 AM
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LeonhartFour posted...
No world map, "linear," streamlined the airship, etc.


Yeah, I know. But to me I judge genre by, you know, gameplay like most people with sense do and not if I can fly an airship around the entire world in 20 seconds.

"Purists" in that sense are bad, yeah. While one can hope Square one day returns to the roots a little more, I don't see it as forthcoming since the genre is basically dead now, certainly in the mainstream world.

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GuessMyUserName
07/04/11 1:11:00 AM
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From: pjbasis | Posted: 7/4/2011 4:04:22 AM | #039
Cookie cutter opinion from cookie cutter people.


it's called a "consensus"

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pjbasis
07/04/11 1:14:00 AM
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GuessMyUserName posted...
From: pjbasis | Posted: 7/4/2011 4:04:22 AM | #039
Cookie cutter opinion from cookie cutter people.
it's called a "consensus"


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The Real Truth
07/04/11 1:15:00 AM
#44:


Nope. FFX was the last great game in the series. Sakaguchi left. So yeah, goodbye to what was once a great franchise.

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KanzarisKelshen
07/04/11 1:15:00 AM
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What exactly is cookie-cutter about saying the Final Fantasies from 4 to 10 are some of the finest jRPGs out there? If you don't like the truth, go cry about the sky being purple. I'm one of those nutcases who thinks FF8 is the best FF by far, and I doubt my opinions line up with most of the fanbase's. It's just that Square was an absolute hit machine in the 90's, and anyone who denies that is trying way too hard to be edgy and different by having stupid opinions.

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The Real Truth
07/04/11 1:19:00 AM
#46:


BIGPUN9999 posted...
XII was truly the lowest point

as I've said, XIII seriously can't be as bad


So you haven't played it yet? Go play that game. I wanted to go back to FF12 after that.

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pjbasis
07/04/11 1:20:00 AM
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KanzarisKelshen posted...
What exactly is cookie-cutter about saying the Final Fantasies from 4 to 10 are some of the finest jRPGs out there? If you don't like the truth, go cry about the sky being purple. I'm one of those nutcases who thinks FF8 is the best FF by far, and I doubt my opinions line up with most of the fanbase's. It's just that Square was an absolute hit machine in the 90's, and anyone who denies that is trying way too hard to be edgy and different by having stupid opinions.

Whoa there cowboy!

FFVIII is easily my favorite as well in fact. But I find that the whole series is variable in quality the whole time.

You mentioned IV-X as the best, but I definitely found some of the ones outside that range (I, III, XI, XII) to easily surpass some of those in there.
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vcharon
07/04/11 1:20:00 AM
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Well, XII is better than V but you already knew that.

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pjbasis
07/04/11 1:21:00 AM
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The Real Truth posted...
Nope. FFX was the last great game in the series. Sakaguchi left. So yeah, goodbye to what was once a great franchise.

Again with the Sakaguchi crap!

He had limited involvement post V, and XI was conceived by him and developed when he was still around for the most part.

At least include XI!
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KanzarisKelshen
07/04/11 1:23:00 AM
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pjbasis posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
What exactly is cookie-cutter about saying the Final Fantasies from 4 to 10 are some of the finest jRPGs out there? If you don't like the truth, go cry about the sky being purple. I'm one of those nutcases who thinks FF8 is the best FF by far, and I doubt my opinions line up with most of the fanbase's. It's just that Square was an absolute hit machine in the 90's, and anyone who denies that is trying way too hard to be edgy and different by having stupid opinions.

Whoa there cowboy!

FFVIII is easily my favorite as well in fact. But I find that the whole series is variable in quality the whole time.

You mentioned IV-X as the best, but I definitely found some of the ones outside that range (I, III, XI, XII) to easily surpass some of those in there.


I'd say XI doesn't count - not because it's bad, but because it really isn't a Final Fantasy other than through its nametag. I'll agree that it and IIIDS are great though - I sorta bored me and basic XII is a snoozefest. Dunno if International is as good as people say it is.

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