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Biolizard28
06/27/11 6:09:00 PM
#201:


Anyway, I'm not sure who I'm going to "main" this week. Back when I thought "Kass" was a typo, I thought I was all set, but now I'm not so sure.

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Biolizard28
06/27/11 8:58:00 PM
#202:


By the way, Leona preview.

http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=901480

I just hope she ends up better than Yorick, which is apparently really easy to do.

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HanOfTheNekos
06/27/11 9:05:00 PM
#203:


Vlad free week?

Yes!

Bad Vlads are delicious!

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06/27/11 9:24:00 PM
#204:


I hope Leona is good. There's a shortage of good tank players, and if she's good, that would help mitigate it. I know I have no right to complain since two of my three main characters are Ashe and MF, but it doesn't help that everyone seems to want to play the ranged carry.

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Justin_Crossing
06/27/11 10:48:00 PM
#205:


good tanks tend to be broken

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Heroic_CactObo
06/28/11 12:55:00 AM
#206:


bought vayne, gonna have to watch some vids on her. she's not doing as much as I thought she would. just takes practice, but I kinda expected more

ah well, she's still fun as hell
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06/28/11 1:06:00 AM
#207:


Heroic_CactObo posted...
bought vayne, gonna have to watch some vids on her. she's not doing as much as I thought she would. just takes practice, but I kinda expected more

ah well, she's still fun as hell


Well she did get nerfed recently.

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Forceful_Dragon
06/28/11 1:24:00 AM
#208:


From: TheConductorSix | #169
FD what Summoner Spells do you go with? I run Flash and and Cleanse. Flashing in, Flinging someone and then cleansing any CC on me is hilarious because not only did they waste their CC on the tank but it also did absolutely nothing.




Flash + Ignite
or
Teleport + Flash


1) Cleanse is bad. Singed gets tenacity from his ult and if you get a tenacity item on him (which is sometimes a good idea, but is situational ofc) then CC doesn't last long on you at all. Cleanse would be a waste.

2) Do not flash to initiate as a rule of thumb. Singed is fast enough (I run 3 move quints btw ^_^) with an AoE Slow that you can catch people just by being in the right place at the right time. Flash to catch someone after they flash, or to escape. There might be the rare situation when an offensive flash is necessary early in a battle, but I would say likely not.



From: Lopen | #173
Also Singed doesn't really need that gold/5 stuff. He farms just fine on his own and he shouldn't have mana issues if you're smart with the poison toggle. His Ult also gives defense so he doesn't really need to prioritize defense early.

Should save money on that and rush Rod of Ages instead imhhho.


I don't get HoG, but I will get Philo stone for one of 2 reasons:

(1) I'm solo against someone against who I will NEED the extra regen
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(2) I need tenacity and so it's going to be a miracle very early on. (Philo into Boots into Cata into Miracle)

I don't get it just to sit on it all day though because as you said, singed farms like a boss.

But I also almost never get RoA these days. Once in a blue moon they will be lacking in a certain kind of damage and it will free my build up to include more AP, but usually their damage is split well enough that I have to get a frozen heart or sunfire cape in addition to the typical MR items.



From: Lopen | #176
He's a tank. Ignite is best used on dps or burst characters to seal the deal. Singed can kill people but that's not really his main goal and taking away their healing is not really a great "gimp." You might as well just use exhaust if you're going that route-- though I guess exhaust kinda sucks now? *shrug


Eh, I think it has a place on my singed most games because it allows me to help deal with enemy sustainability. It isn't for kills but more as a count-punch to someone else's heals and regen.

But it's either ignite or teleport and against a team where ignite is 100% not needed I will likely go teleport.



From: IngmarBirdman | #177
No reason to use Boots of Swiftness on Singed


There is EVERY reason to go Swiftness! The only other option is Merc Treads but since they added tenacity items I don't even care about that anymore. I just build around it!



From: TheConductorSix | #192
2.Philo Stone becomes a SICK ASS item( Riot smartly raised the price because that item is just so damned good) with Tenacity allowing me to run Swift Boots. Singed is the only character I rush tier 2 boots on because being uncatchable in the early game is HUGE. I can roam, gank, and farm minion waves without the least bit of worry about dying because if someone chases me they will die.


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Forceful_Dragon
06/28/11 1:25:00 AM
#209:


Also my singed-streak is up to 9 games now after a 1-0-18 game ^_^

I'm going to cry when it ends ;_;

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Justin_Crossing
06/28/11 1:30:00 AM
#210:


Hrm. When the new season of ranked comes around I should do some Cassiopeia destruction.

People don't know how to deal with her because nobody plays her. Totally underrated imo.

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Forceful_Dragon
06/28/11 1:36:00 AM
#211:


The problem we've run into with Cassiopeia is that to do max damage with her you have to spam spells impossible quick.

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Justin_Crossing
06/28/11 1:39:00 AM
#212:


Eh, that's a fair point. She definitely requires constant button mashing. She's not like brand where it's point click shoot or anything like that. She's still solid when you're not up in super high elo though. Her farming is phenomenal though.

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Forceful_Dragon
06/28/11 2:34:00 AM
#213:


It's the fact that her cooldowns can (and should) get down so low that even if you are fully aware of what is required of you in fights. Even if you have every skill order mapped out and know how to react to the fight perfectly that you are doing so much so often that it requires such finger speed it becomes difficult to do in its own right for a reason other than understanding or timing.

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Lopen
06/28/11 4:16:00 AM
#214:


Yeah to be fair I didn't know that philostone had an actual good recipe for Singed now. Shurelia's wasn't worth it on Singed but that other miracle thing it turns into with tenacity is a good one. I may actually start starting with it too with that in mind.

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Lopen
06/28/11 4:18:00 AM
#215:


Also whoo I actually played a few games for the first time in months today with HGR and realo. Got to try the new Alistar and was called "best Alistar I've ever seen" by some random dude. I honestly didn't think I did that great and I think he just said it cause I killed him so many times but I'll take it.

Fun stuff. Fun games.

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Forceful_Dragon
06/28/11 5:08:00 AM
#216:


Tonight's Haul:

Infinity (Singed, 1-0-18) - Win
5.00 (Sona) - Win
5.00 (Taric) - Win
5.50 (Cho'Gath) - Loss
4.50 (Taric) - Win



And yeah, Phil is good for tenacity and tenacity alone. But tenacity is not always required.

And after I have 6 items (if it is a tenacity game) I'll switch it out for the moonblade.

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Frostswamp
06/28/11 5:26:00 AM
#217:


Oh come on FD it can't be any faster then playing SCII at a high level, granted that would mean you'd have to be Korean, and have a college degree in lol...
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red13n
06/28/11 5:29:00 AM
#218:


Oh come on FD it can't be any faster then playing SCII at a high level, granted that would mean you'd have to be Korean, and have a college degree in lol...

its not just hitting the cd, its the fact that if you hit the cd on a non-poisoned target, her dps goes to hell(And this can come down to fractions of a second).

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Frostswamp
06/28/11 5:32:00 AM
#219:


Red you're ability to completely miss a joke every time should not longer surprise me... but man it still does -_-
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KanzarisKelshen
06/28/11 6:07:00 AM
#220:


Frostswamp posted...
Oh come on FD it can't be any faster then playing SCII at a high level, granted that would mean you'd have to be Korean, and have a college degree in lol...

SCII? nonononononono. You're not thinking straight. Cassiopeia is not best compared to Korean APMs. She's best compared to this:



Explanation for those who don't know the MvC2 scene: Dhalsim has a bunch of infinites and ridiculously broken crap in MvC2, enough to let him put the fear of god into the Big Four, but it's all one-frame, super difficult links. *In theory*, he's either the most broken or one of the most broken characters in the game. In practice, nobody, not even the japanese pros, is that good at linking, and only a robot could exploit his full potential. Cassiopeia is like that: the half-second cooldown on Twinfang is too punishing to make her work. If RIOT wants her to be usable they have to cut that CD in at least half when poison is ticking.


On another note, dayum, son. dat Leona!

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Biolizard28
06/28/11 6:09:00 AM
#221:


Are they ever going to redo Cassiopeia so she's no longer just for robots?

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KanzarisKelshen
06/28/11 6:53:00 AM
#222:


Biolizard28 posted...
Are they ever going to redo Cassiopeia so she's no longer just for robots?

Maybe once they're convinced she does, in fact, require a robot to play. Her kit is solid, like I said; The only thing she needs is not being as punishing with high pings and requiring pinpoint button mashing with the twinfangs.

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Biolizard28
06/28/11 6:57:00 AM
#223:


Yo

Ezreal is fun as hell

Why are people hating on him?

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KanzarisKelshen
06/28/11 7:12:00 AM
#224:


Biolizard28 posted...
Yo

Ezreal is fun as hell

Why are people hating on him?


I had this explained to me once, like this:

Sliding Scale of Carry Power vs. Mobility:

Kog'Maw: 0.9 Power, 0.1 Mobility (more like 0.4 Power, but you get what I mean)

Miss Fortune: 0.7 Power, 0.3 mobility

Tristana: 0.5 Power, 0.5 Mobility

Ashe: 0.4 Power, 0.3 Mobility, 3.0 Utility

Corki: 0.9 Power, 0.6 Mobility

Vayne: 0.7 Power, 0.8 Mobility

Ezreal: 0.1 Power, 0.9 Mobility


In other words, Ezreal is by far the most slippery carry, but his damage is kinda terrible. They really need to fix his spellforce to give 75% AS like it should.

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Peace___Frog
06/28/11 10:07:00 AM
#225:


Ezreal is all skillshots, and if you miss even a few, you're not playing Ezreal well enough to have him as a carry over someone else.

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Justin_Crossing
06/28/11 10:16:00 AM
#226:


MF's mobility is way better than a 0.3

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MUKMASTER2
06/28/11 11:41:00 AM
#227:


I keep accidentally making friends on my disposable smurf accounts. God damn it.

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Biolizard28
06/28/11 11:45:00 AM
#228:


Man, Kassadin and Udyr can kiss my ass.

Akali and Ezreal rock, though.

Haven't played Singed or Shen yet.

I don't even have to discuss Vlad.

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KanzarisKelshen
06/28/11 12:37:00 PM
#229:


Justin_Crossing posted...
MF's mobility is way better than a 0.3

In a fight? No way José. Before fights I'll give you she's like a 0.7, but in a fight she's about as mobile as Ashe, or less due to Bullet Time.

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Heroic_CactObo
06/28/11 12:44:00 PM
#230:


all of her mobility is strut, which gets destroyed if she gets focused literally at all. then she's about as good at getting away as koggy imo
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TheConductorSix
06/28/11 1:02:00 PM
#231:


Maybe it's because everyone else got nerfed

But Pantheon is actually usable in low ELO games again!

You have to go Warmogs>Frozen Mallet>Atma's, you also have to bring Teleport and use your Ult to out farm everyone else by a mile, but feasible nonetheless!

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Colegreen_c12
06/28/11 2:39:00 PM
#232:


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HanOfTheNekos
06/28/11 2:55:00 PM
#233:


Ewww Cole's a leaver.

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Biolizard28
06/28/11 3:04:00 PM
#234:


Singed is tight, yo

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Biolizard28
06/28/11 3:56:00 PM
#235:


Also, more Leona.

http://www.leagueoflegends.com/news/leona-mechanics-preview

Sounds pretty not garbage.

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KanzarisKelshen
06/28/11 4:09:00 PM
#236:


Tanks are never garbage, they're infuriating/awesome. It's why there's so few of them! :D

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ToukaOone
06/28/11 4:51:00 PM
#237:


oh ya FD time to get on your nuts

You advocated a ms build for alistar, (which I take to "ok")

Do you have any thoughts on the AP Alistar build? And, as a subset of that, what are some secondary builds that I should consider? (One example I'm guessing is that if their team has more than one person who is squishy/there's not enough damage on our team, I'm probably better off building AP)

As for farming, just Eing and timing last hits is enough past the laning phase, correct?

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KanzarisKelshen
06/28/11 5:06:00 PM
#238:


Speaking of FD, nuts, and tanks...

have you see any Jarvans in your recent games FD? If so (and if there weren't roflfeeders), what did they build? I'm having success with TriForce+Reverie+Tank Items lately, but TriForce feels like Guile's Theme (goes with everything) as of late, so I'm curious if I'm doing it wrong or something. The dude is way, wayyyyy too fun to play to play wrong. DEMACIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

PS: Speaking of which, did we ever use that as a topic title? If not, that should be the next one.

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TheConductorSix
06/28/11 5:37:00 PM
#239:


The new tank sounds kinda....broken. I'm not gonna jump the gun or anything because that would be silly, but a Stun, a Skillshot Taunt(which means she can get you from a serious distance), a debuff with every spell, and an AOE Ultimate....

she sounds like she takes the best from every tank and combines it in one.

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KanzarisKelshen
06/28/11 5:40:00 PM
#240:


TheConductorSix posted...
The new tank sounds kinda....broken. I'm not gonna jump the gun or anything because that would be silly, but a Stun, a Skillshot Taunt(which means she can get you from a serious distance), a debuff with every spell, and an AOE Ultimate....

she sounds like she takes the best from every tank and combines it in one.


She has no taunt. She has:

-A low-CD low-duration stun.
-A skillshot gapcloser, either like Grag's bodyslam or Mumu's toss.
-A defensive stance that either raises your defensive stats for a while or puts a shield up, and then deals a bunch of damage.
-The Sun.

No taunts anywhere.

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Silver_Ermine
06/28/11 5:49:00 PM
#241:


I didn't see Twitch on that list...

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Peace___Frog
06/28/11 5:52:00 PM
#242:


Sounds great.

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Daranix
06/28/11 6:57:00 PM
#243:




Greatest bug ever.

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Justin_Crossing
06/28/11 7:03:00 PM
#244:


Yeah Realo you misread. They were describing her stuff as similar to a taunt because it gives you the feeling of of "she will cause havoc if you don't dismantle her".

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Forceful_Dragon
06/28/11 9:53:00 PM
#245:


From: ToukaOone | #237
oh ya FD time to get on your nuts

You advocated a ms build for alistar, (which I take to "ok")

Do you have any thoughts on the AP Alistar build?


It seems like a waste of his potential to build him AP. Alistar sets up kills like nobodies business. Alistar protects his carries like nobodies business. Alistar is also decent at chasing people down once you have his BoM.

The only thing that allows him to get more than 1-2 sets of cooldowns off is to give him the resistances he needs to survive to use his abilities a 2nd or 3rd time, which he does not have as APistar. APistar will tend to do headbutt then pulverize simply because they are trying to burst someone down and they don't particularly care about headbutt direction, they just want to get both spells off.

And then APistar will have to pop his ult because he'll be dyin! And then he MIGHT get another set of abilities off, and then the next time he is focused at all he is dead because he has no resists.

Does he have his uses? yes and very much so. AP Alistar is a strong solo laner, farms very well on account of his very high base damage and can muscle many other champions out of a lane. But the kicker to me is the fact that an alistar built for teamfight utility rather than bursty burst needs almost no farm at all. This allows you to be extremely useful, but in different ways, without having to farm a deathcap, lichbane and voidstaff.

As for AP alistar build I just summed it up. I would start with dorans ring. Then boots, then 1-3 more dorans rings (totalling 2-4 depending on how many you feel you need. Into deathcap, into lich bane and very likely into void staff unless they do not have the MR to make it viable.

But something people haven't been considering is the fact that AP Alistar had better AP ratios at dreamhack. They have since been nerfed but they were playing on an old patch then. He is strong, but not that strong anymore.

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Forceful_Dragon
06/28/11 9:55:00 PM
#246:


From: KanzarisKelshen | #238
have you see any Jarvans in your recent games FD? If so (and if there weren't roflfeeders), what did they build? I'm having success with TriForce+Reverie+Tank Items lately, but TriForce feels like Guile's Theme (goes with everything) as of late, so I'm curious if I'm doing it wrong or something. The dude is way, wayyyyy too fun to play to play wrong.


Jarvan builds tanky and does damage. Starting with a phil stone, boots and heart of gold is almost standard. From there you get some primary resists based on situation, and I see a lot of Atma's as well in late game.

I am personally fond of trinity on him, but I wouldn't say that I've seen others use it. He still picks up the occasional ban, and he's still used, but not in every single game like he used to be. 30-50% of the games I guess?

I'll keep my eye out for good jarvans though and see what's up.

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Heroic_CactObo
06/29/11 12:11:00 AM
#247:


so I figured out vayne

and went 20/5/12 and 14/7/5

first one was a close win, and the second one was a horrible loss, because by the time I had 10 kills, my team had 14 total. "wat"
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06/29/11 1:06:00 AM
#248:


I've heard people call Corki the best AD ranged carry in the game, but I never got around to playing him during his free week. Is he really that good? What are his advantages over Ashe, Caitlyn, MF, Tristana, and Ezreal?

And I've heard people call MF a subpar one. Why is that? I haven't used Ezreal at all yet and I've heard he's the worst, again, why?

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Forceful_Dragon
06/29/11 5:01:00 AM
#249:


Only 1 ranked game tonight after servers came back up. (They came up around 4 instead of 5:30!)


3.50 (Taric) - Win


Its funny how useful taric can be even with ass items. (3x gold, tear, merc)


edit: also this puts red and I back above 1700 again. Can we battle through the bads?

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red13n
06/29/11 5:04:00 AM
#250:


I was fully built at around 35 minutes. That was interesting.

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