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ninkendo
03/09/22 9:16:13 AM
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https://www.gematsu.com/2022/03/advance-wars-12-re-boot-camp-delayed-to-unannounced-date

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I had a feeling this would happen as soon as the Russian invasion happened

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StartTheMachine
03/09/22 9:21:58 AM
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Advance Wars is like fictional armies right. It doesn't directly involve Russia or anything does it? I don't really get this.

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Lightning Strikes
03/09/22 9:22:43 AM
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Yeah I was thinking launching a cartoon war game loosely based on Europe less than a month after Russia invades a European country may not be the best idea.

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Luis_Sera89
03/09/22 9:23:42 AM
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Disappointing but totally understandable (and not unexpected) decision.

StartTheMachine posted...
Advance Wars is like fictional armies right. It doesn't directly involve Russia or anything does it? I don't really get this.

The nations in the game are loosely based on real world countries. Blue Moon is basically a stylised Russia.

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tcaz2
03/09/22 9:27:55 AM
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StartTheMachine posted...
Advance Wars is like fictional armies right. It doesn't directly involve Russia or anything does it? I don't really get this.

The fictional armies are kind of based off real ones. Blue Moon is pretty obviously Russia. I still don't necessarily agree with this, for the record.

It's certainly kind of ironic the remake is getting delayed because of world events, though, since the original was delayed in Europe and Japan due to 9/11...
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Underleveled
03/09/22 9:28:06 AM
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Fair.

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NFUN
03/09/22 9:31:10 AM
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tcaz2 posted...
The fictional armies are kind of based off real ones. Blue Moon is pretty obviously Russia. I still don't necessarily agree with this, for the record.

It's certainly kind of ironic the remake is getting delayed because of world events, though, since the original was delayed in Europe and Japan due to 9/11...
that seems like the opposite of irony

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StartTheMachine
03/09/22 9:32:04 AM
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Luis_Sera89 posted...
Disappointing but totally understandable (and not unexpected) decision.

The nations in the game are loosely based on real world countries. Blue Moon is basically a stylised Russia.
That makes a bit more sense then. Things are just going to keep getting worse here in the real world though. I don't know if there will be an "appropriate" time to release this any time soon.

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tcaz2
03/09/22 9:36:51 AM
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NFUN posted...
that seems like the opposite of irony
Yeah true, actually.

Hmmm is there a word for that? I can't really say its 'expected' because who actually expected it. Anti-ironic?
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Evillordexdeath
03/09/22 9:43:39 AM
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tcaz2 posted...
It's certainly kind of ironic the remake is getting delayed because of world events, though, since the original was delayed in Europe and Japan due to 9/11...

lol yeah, this is the series' destiny it seems

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KamikazePotato
03/09/22 9:46:45 AM
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Advance Wars 1 literally starts with not-Russia invading.

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Mac Arrowny
03/09/22 9:48:24 AM
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StartTheMachine posted...
That makes a bit more sense then. Things are just going to keep getting worse here in the real world though. I don't know if there will be an "appropriate" time to release this any time soon.
What do you mean? It'll be fine for Nintendo to release it once Russia finishes conquering Ukraine and the war ends.

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Lightning Strikes
03/09/22 10:00:07 AM
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Mac Arrowny posted...
What do you mean? It'll be fine for Nintendo to release it once Russia finishes conquering Ukraine and the war ends.

Well with the current rate theyll be waiting a long time, possibly forever.

Also in addition to AW1 and 9/11, AW2 launched around the invasion of Iraq. The series is definitely cursed.

This may kill the series which is a shame, but theres obviously more important things to worry about and the old series aesthetic was always a bit distasteful. Even as a kid I thought it was weird.

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ninkendo
03/09/22 10:02:18 AM
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Good chance to bring back Battalion Wars instead!

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swordz9
03/09/22 10:07:23 AM
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One less purchase to worry about for a while I guess
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Mac Arrowny
03/09/22 10:09:14 AM
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Lightning Strikes posted...
the old series aesthetic was always a bit distasteful.
What does that mean? Do you hate pixels or something?

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UshiromiyaEva
03/09/22 10:11:20 AM
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Second time in a year a game I was super hyped for gets delayed indefinitely due to matching real world events.


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ninkendo
03/09/22 10:14:52 AM
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UshiromiyaEva posted...
Second time in a year a game I was super hyped for gets delayed indefinitely due to matching real world events.
I too remember the lunar whale uprising

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Lightning Strikes
03/09/22 10:22:22 AM
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Mac Arrowny posted...
What does that mean? Do you hate pixels or something?
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/9/1/AAEfmDAADAn_.jpg

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Underleveled
03/09/22 10:27:55 AM
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tcaz2 posted...
Yeah true, actually.

Hmmm is there a word for that? I can't really say its 'expected' because who actually expected it. Anti-ironic?
Poetic maybe? Though that seems rather inappropriate to use in light of the situation.

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Mac Arrowny
03/09/22 10:33:09 AM
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Lightning Strikes posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/9/1/AAEfmDAADAn_.jpg
I don't get what this means. It seems to be more about the tone of the games than the art style, which I assume they won't be changing.

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Lightning Strikes
03/09/22 10:36:04 AM
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Tone and aesthetic are inherently linked, but thats not what this topic is about.

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Evillordexdeath
03/09/22 10:39:45 AM
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Yes, "tone" would be a better word for what Lightning Strikes means. The complaint is that Advance Wars portrays war as this cute and fun kid-friendly activity when it's actually really horrifying in real life. In the first game the characters basically think of war the same way that people in Yu-Gi-Oh! think of card games, especially in that one mission where Andy and Eagle decide to have a friendly scrap after Sturm has already been defeated. The second one and Dual Strike dial that back almost completely though.

Personally though, I don't really agree that much. If we are going to indulge in this kind of killjoy attitude toward video games about war, I think the way that Advance Wars games make it clear that they have a cartoonish detachment from reality is preferable to something like Call of Duty that shows a (comparatively) much more grounded idea of war and still ends up portraying it as a fun activity for adolescent boys through its game mechanics.

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UshiromiyaEva
03/09/22 10:45:38 AM
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ninkendo posted...
I too remember the lunar whale uprising

Man if only.

Specifically that Ciconia Part 2 is apparently extremely in line with some Covid stuff. No idea when that's releasing.

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pjbasis
03/09/22 11:34:37 AM
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AW should have just made sure to have animations showing no one really dies.

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andylt
03/09/22 11:44:23 AM
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Lightning Strikes posted...
Also in addition to AW1 and 9/11, AW2 launched around the invasion of Iraq. The series is definitely cursed.
I mean there's no way they could release a game while a war wasn't ongoing. I assume this will come out once Ukraine is no longer in the news, but there'll still be ongoing atrocities in Yemen, Palestine, Afghanistan and more. And they didn't delay AW2 even with Iraq, only wars in western countries matter apparently.

This is all silly because it's a cartoon war game, but the precedent they're setting here is a strange one.

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Tom Bombadil
03/09/22 11:49:57 AM
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UshiromiyaEva posted...
Ciconia Part 2

even part 1 was....a little too real, man. I'm vaguely terrified of how close to home it has to hit to actually get delayed (but also I desperately want to play it)

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BlueCrystalTear
03/09/22 11:50:42 AM
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Evillordexdeath posted...
something like Call of Duty that shows a (comparatively) much more grounded idea of war and still ends up portraying it as a fun activity for adolescent boys through its game mechanics.
Duty Calls also makes the idea of war into a competition, which is why we've had the baffling reaction of the Red Army's invasion of Ukraine from some people. "You can always respawn and try again!" is detached from reality more than something like Advance Wars, where units you lose are gone for good (and while commanders only die when the plot necessitates, they do get wounded). At least that's the case in Dual Strike, as I can't say about the first two.

An FPS makes the idea of war into a friendly, fun competition and is detached from the real-life horrors of permanent death and world domination more so than other genres. A JRPG tends to portray the emotions of war more realistically, even if there are game mechanics like the ability to revive party members outside of battle. That still does say that someone should be treated before bleeding out, which is better than "Who needs a medic? You'll just respawn anyway." There are messages both overt and subliminal in a story based game that touch on war that show it for what it is. An FPS makes it a game in a way that is harmful to society, making people not take it seriously anymore.

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mnkboy907
03/09/22 11:57:14 AM
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I suspect the delay is mostly because Nintendo is worried about any PR nightmares that may arise from them trying to advertise this game right now. It's very easy to imagine some outlet going "I can't believe Nintendo is glorifying war right now" and going viral.

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Emeraldegg
03/09/22 12:00:50 PM
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Honestly, unless the game was made with a clear intention to sate people's bloodlust, I think ultimately there has to be a burden on people raising kids to tell them "This is a game, it is not real life, temper yourself." Even something like cod doesn't HAVE to be "harmful to society" if people understand it to be a competitive game meant to test certain skills, as advance wars is.

I will say I would rather a company be too cautious than not enough, but I do think this is a bit too cautious.

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colliding
03/09/22 12:08:31 PM
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let's see if this year's call of duty/battlefield gets delayed


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UshiromiyaEva
03/09/22 12:09:32 PM
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colliding posted...
let's see if this year's call of duty/battlefield gets delayed

They already announced no COD this year.

That was before this though, just a "happy coincidence"

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NFUN
03/09/22 12:18:03 PM
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andylt posted...
I mean there's no way they could release a game while a war wasn't ongoing. I assume this will come out once Ukraine is no longer in the news, but there'll still be ongoing atrocities in Yemen, Palestine, Afghanistan and more. And they didn't delay AW2 even with Iraq, only wars in western countries matter apparently.

This is all silly because it's a cartoon war game, but the precedent they're setting here is a strange one.
in so many ways this one is a special case. They're only setting a weird precedent if you're completely blind to societal perspectives

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Evillordexdeath
03/09/22 12:24:00 PM
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Emeraldegg posted...
Honestly, unless the game was made with a clear intention to sate people's bloodlust, I think ultimately there has to be a burden on people raising kids to tell them "This is a game, it is not real life, temper yourself." Even something like cod doesn't HAVE to be "harmful to society" if people understand it to be a competitive game meant to test certain skills, as advance wars is.
Yes, personally I think so too, that's why I described it as kind of a killjoy attitude. I think people are generally pretty good at telling the difference between fantasy and reality in this way, more so than people who see things like CoD as harmful to society give them credit for.

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Mac Arrowny
03/09/22 12:36:16 PM
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UshiromiyaEva posted...
They already announced no COD this year.

That was before this though, just a "happy coincidence"
No COD in 2023, not 2022.

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Reg
03/09/22 12:38:28 PM
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mnkboy907 posted...
I suspect the delay is mostly because Nintendo is worried about any PR nightmares that may arise from them trying to advertise this game right now. It's very easy to imagine some outlet going "I can't believe Nintendo is glorifying war right now" and going viral.
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Waluigi1
03/09/22 1:04:20 PM
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andylt posted...
This is all silly because it's a cartoon war game, but the precedent they're setting here is a strange one.


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Luis_Sera89
03/09/22 1:22:17 PM
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Anyone thinking this is strictly due to the fact it's a game based around war are missing the point, I think. Again, there are allusions to a cute, fantasy version of Russia that are impossible to ignore in Advance Wars; it isn't just vaguely generic war. People aren't going to just forget about the conflict in Ukraine anytime soon. It's virtually inconceivable that they could release it in it's current state without it being deemed majorly insensitive, even in the lifetime of the Switch. Not without drastic revisions to important parts of the game to the point where there'll be striking differences to the original games.

The only thing close to irony here is that if it had kept to it's original release date of late 2021, it wouldn't be in this position, although it may have been removed from stores.

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UshiromiyaEva
03/09/22 1:25:31 PM
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Yeah I don't see how this doesn't end up getting edited before release, it's not just going to just be a delay. Any vaguely Russian references are going to be scrubbed.

Jovial Russian parodies aren't going to be seen in any mass market media for quite some time, if ever again.

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hylianknight3
03/09/22 1:30:48 PM
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mnkboy907 posted...
I suspect the delay is mostly because Nintendo is worried about any PR nightmares that may arise from them trying to advertise this game right now. It's very easy to imagine some outlet going "I can't believe Nintendo is glorifying war right now" and going viral.

this

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PrinceOfKoopas
03/09/22 1:34:06 PM
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ninkendo posted...
Good chance to bring back Battalion Wars instead!
Well... Then there's the Tundran Territories...

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Tom Bombadil
03/09/22 1:38:45 PM
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I feel like we're not far enough removed from the Jack Thompson era to be taking the "it's not REALLY harmful, so the American public will let it slide" angle seriously.

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Mac Arrowny
03/09/22 2:03:21 PM
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Tom Bombadil posted...
I feel like we're not far enough removed from the Jack Thompson era to be taking the "it's not REALLY harmful, so the American public will let it slide" angle seriously.
What games in the last 10 years did the American public not let slide?

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Kenri
03/09/22 2:27:54 PM
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Maybe I'm insensitive but tbh they should just release it quietly, without much advertisement, and hope it slides under the PR radar. Delaying it indefinitely because of a war that could potentially last for years is basically a soft cancellation.

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Underleveled
03/09/22 2:47:24 PM
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Had the game gone gold yet? The timing seems kind of on the borderline.

Has a game ever been cancelled or significantly (like, more than a month or two) delayed after going gold?

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Xiahou Shake
03/09/22 2:48:25 PM
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UshiromiyaEva posted...
Jovial Russian parodies aren't going to be seen in any mass market media for quite some time, if ever again.
You're aware of the Cold War, right? From a US cultural impact perspective that was way worse than this current conflict and we had a ton of silly Russian parodies going on even as we were literally fearing that they could blow us into mutually assured oblivion at any second.

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mnkboy907
03/09/22 2:51:07 PM
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Kenri posted...
Maybe I'm insensitive but tbh they should just release it quietly, without much advertisement, and hope it slides under the PR radar. Delaying it indefinitely because of a war that could potentially last for years is basically a soft cancellation.

It's doubtful they'll wait for the war to be over. Instead they'll just wait until the media and public mindshare has moved on to other things.

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Mac Arrowny
03/09/22 3:09:31 PM
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Underleveled posted...
Had the game gone gold yet? The timing seems kind of on the borderline.

Has a game ever been cancelled or significantly (like, more than a month or two) delayed after going gold?
There's Propeller Arena, a game about crashing planes into buildings in Manhattan that was scheduled to come out on September 19, 2001. That was canceled a week before it came out.

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UshiromiyaEva
03/09/22 3:17:07 PM
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Xiahou Shake posted...
You're aware of the Cold War, right? From a US cultural impact perspective that was way worse than this current conflict and we had a ton of silly Russian parodies going on even as we were literally fearing that they could blow us into mutually assured oblivion at any second.

It to go all MetalDK on the subject, but times are decidedly different.

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BlueCrystalTear
03/09/22 3:26:45 PM
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Emeraldegg posted...
Even something like cod doesn't HAVE to be "harmful to society" if people understand it to be a competitive game meant to test certain skills, as advance wars is.
I can agree with this, but it's based on tone. Advance Wars is a game meant to test skills and it also has a more lighthearted tone, so people can appreciate it as a game and not take it as exemplifying the real deal. Duty Calls has a gritty, realistic tone so certain kinds of people think of war in the manner is presents. It's subconscious, and not everyone is like this, but an FPS gets people to think of war as a "game."

And, to be honest, I didn't realize that until the Red Army invaded Ukraine and some people started showing that they didn't understand war. It's not that video games are bad. It's that we're not teaching people about war properly or getting 12 y/os to understand that games aren't reality. Because this is the first time in nearly two decades I can recall seeing something like this in the news (when Dubya invaded Iraq so hastily).

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