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GuessMyUserName
10/05/11 1:26:00 AM
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/obama-fried-chicken-restaurant-spotted-in-beijing/2011/10/03/gIQAUwIEIL_blog.html

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PartOfYourWorld
10/05/11 1:31:00 AM
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Would frequent.

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Raka_Putra
10/05/11 1:33:00 AM
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Taste like freedom.

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Paratroopa1
10/05/11 1:34:00 AM
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Beijing’s OFC should not be confused with “Obama’s Fried Chicken,” an apparently unrelated chicken joint that raised eyebrows when it opened in Manhattan.

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ChichiriMuyo
10/05/11 1:42:00 AM
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Lovely article, calling Ikea an American brand.

Anyway, my experience has been that Asians are just as or more racist than Americans, so no shock here.

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Dauntless Hunter
10/05/11 3:19:00 AM
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A sign in front of the eatery displays a picture of President Obama wearing a Colonel Sanders-style bowtie and suspenders and a tag line that reads, “We so cool, aren’t we?,” according to the Shanghaiist.

You damn right.

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ChichiriMuyo
10/05/11 4:09:00 AM
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NioraptH posted...
From: ChichiriMuyo | #005
Anyway, my experience has been that Asians are just as or more racist than Americans, so no shock here.

Define Asians. I feel insulted that you'd lump all Asians together in one whole collective group of people.


I'm not trying to, but the ones I've interacted with have more often than not failed to understand political correctness as it is in America whether they were recent immigrants or not. Obviously there are billions of Asians - I can't judge them all based on the few I know - but from the interactions I have had things that would get my white ass in trouble have been said with impunity by Asians I know coming from all parts of the continent other than Russia (where they, too, are too white to say the things I wouldn't dare consider). I see lots of racism in anime that wouldn't fly here, I hear Vietnamese, Chinese, and Indian people saying things I'd get my ass kicked into the ground for... Just in general people of Asian countries I have dealt with can say things I wouldn't let myself think, and that may not define the whole group of some 2-3 billion people but it does show how much more casually the topic is handled outside of the US.

Outside of Clerks 2 and a Chinese girl I knew, I never heard the term "porch monkey" used. Outside of a Vietnamese girl I knew, I never saw anyone laugh at someone who was told not to drink coffee while they were growing up because it'd make them blacker. Things that are absolute taboo among European Americans due to past oppression seem to be anything but from the Asian Americans I know, as well as some of the Asian culture that gets imported here.

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Dauntless Hunter
10/05/11 4:35:00 AM
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From: ChichiriMuyo | #008
all parts of the continent other than Russia (where they, too, are too white to say the things I wouldn't dare consider).


Dude Russians are so ****ing racist. But a lot of it is weird stuff that doesn't even make sense. Like seeing a black guy with a shovel is hilarious to Russians.

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Vlado
10/05/11 4:39:00 AM
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Summary of the above 5-6 posts: Different cultures are different.

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Raka_Putra
10/05/11 4:42:00 AM
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I don't feel racist...

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SlymDayspring
10/05/11 5:18:00 AM
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considering how rascists americans who live in our "melting pot" are, it isn't really surprising that nations that have been predominately one race forever (or at least without black people) are pretty racist.

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Raka_Putra
10/05/11 5:29:00 AM
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I don't even personally know an American. I guess Americans don exits then, following my sister's logic. (I side with her, jsyk)

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SovietOmega
10/05/11 5:44:00 AM
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NioraptH posted...
So you're basically going like, 'Oh, this Vietnamese American person I met is like, totally racist. All Vietnamese people even in Vietnam or the ones living overseas must totally be racist as well', which imo, shows how much you'd stereotype an entire race and nation of people, based on ONE person. And generalizing all Chinese and Indian people based on what a few people in AMERICA said, when you don't even know how they present themselves in their own homeland? Are you saying that I can totally stereotype all Americans as strict, durian hating, curry addicted, humans who bathes 3 times a week people based on my lecturer, who is one of the few American's I've interacted with face to face in Malaysia (for example)?

Also, anime is a totaaaaally accurate representation of Japan right?


Are you trying to insinuate that all Malaysians don't love Go Shiina?

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Biolizard28
10/05/11 5:44:00 AM
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Except that he explicitly stated he was speaking from personal experience and not making sweeping statements about a population. If he claims that every Asian person he's met has absolutely no concept of racial sensitivity or whatever, I can't exactly argue against that, just compare and contrast experiences. And let's be honest, if you say you've never made small judgments about a culture or, and this is going to hurt a bit, race then you're a damned liar. As the song goes, "everyone's a little bit racist sometimes.

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TVontheRadio
10/05/11 6:41:00 AM
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From: SlymDayspring | #012
considering how rascists americans who live in our "melting pot" are, it isn't really surprising that nations that have been predominately one race forever (or at least without black people) are pretty racist.


yeah, pretty much this

not much race diversity in asian countries!

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SlymDayspring
10/05/11 6:42:00 AM
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But unlike you people

what do you mean, you people?

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TVontheRadio
10/05/11 6:43:00 AM
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i find it oh so hilarious how i just posted what i posted right after Nio's huge rant

and i'm asian living in an asian country!

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metroid composite
10/05/11 6:56:00 AM
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Growing up in Vancouver, yeah, if racism was going to come from any group inside the city-proper (which it usually didn't--very multi-racial city) it would usually come from Asians. I knew Asians who got a B on a test, said to their parents "B is good, it says so here" and their parents replied "Yeah but those are white-people standards." My mother's taught Asians who felt like black people's hands were always dirty, and that they needed to wash their hands if they touched. Though, like I said, not too common for any group to be racist within the city.

Granted, drive four hours into hicksville, and it was predominantly the white people who were racists (often against the Asians).

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metroid composite
10/05/11 7:02:00 AM
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NioraptH posted...
I was generally more offended that he said Asians in general, minus the fact each and every single single type of Asian is different. Hell, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Thailand, and all the SEA countries, we look similar, but we're oh so different in terms of race, mannerisms etc. Not to mention you have the people from Central, South, North, East, West etc of Asia who are all different. Him saying all Asians are racist is like saying Israelis, Pakistanis, Russians, Filipinos, etc are all racist, when some countries are more tolerant than others. Him saying that dismisses the fact that different races in Asia exist, and that all these races somehow MAGICALLY share the same characteristic. How would you like it if I said "All white people speak with a weird accent", when I was talking about White Australians specifically (for example)?

This is true; at least in Vancouver, for instance, I don't think I've seen racism from Vietnamese, but I have seen racism from Chinese.

I'm not going to pretend that I can tell which sub-race an Asian is by looking, though. Same way I couldn't tell you whether someone was Greek or Russian. (Hell, there are enough people who are mixed race that I feel lucky if I can get any accuracy past the White/Black/Asian split).

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special_sauce
10/05/11 7:15:00 AM
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From: NioraptH | #017
I was generally more offended that he said Asians in general, minus the fact each and every single single type of Asian is different. Hell, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Thailand, and all the SEA countries, we look similar, but we're oh so different in terms of race, mannerisms etc.


To be fair, he did say that he noticed it with all cultures
and all those cultures ARE from Asia
So if, in fact, all the Asian cultures he has interacted with had racist individuals, it would be fair to say "My experience with Asians I have met has been that they are more racist than we."

Sure, everyone is a little bit racist sometimes (the fact that you think I know this song shows your racism, because you implied I should know this, though not everyone in Asia listen to English songs)


How is it RACIST to reference a popular song? Because he would have said the same thing, probably, to white people. This makes no sense. Are you trolling?

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WazzupGenius00
10/05/11 7:31:00 AM
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From: NioraptH | #017
Sure, everyone is a little bit racist sometimes (the fact that you think I know this song shows your racism, because you implied I should know this, though not everyone in Asia listen to English songs)


this isn't racism, not one single bit.

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WazzupGenius00
10/05/11 7:33:00 AM
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Maybe because you're part of the internet subculture and that song was somewhat popular in this subculture?

Even if that's not what his thought process was, it's still not racism.

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Some_Character
10/05/11 7:37:00 AM
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By that logic, isn't it racist to expect everyone to know exactly what subcultures exist in Asia?

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SovietOmega
10/05/11 7:38:00 AM
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WazzupGenius00
10/05/11 7:41:00 AM
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See, he never said or even implied that you should know it "because it's popular in America." He just thought you knew it. And you DID know it, didn't you?

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special_sauce
10/05/11 7:41:00 AM
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From: NioraptH | #026
Okay, then why do you expect a non-White person, who lives in another country, to get a reference which is exclusive to people of America? And why is that song 'popular' in my context? To expect that something from another culture is famous within another cultural context shows that one culture is dominant towards the other, hence racism. Why is something that Bio thinks is the norm to him, suddenly a norm to me?


a) what wazzupgenius said about internet subculture
b) lots of Chinese songs are popular at my high school. One may be expected to recognize their tunes. Oh no China must be culturally dominant towards us!
c) he didn't even necessarily EXPECT you to know the song, as the quote shows his point with or without you knowing it.

PLUS, you mentioned INTENT in your argument (granted, in a different context). Do you really think that Bio INTENDED to offend you by bringing up a song that he liked?

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metroid composite
10/05/11 7:42:00 AM
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NioraptH posted...
It's just like, 3, out of the thousands and thousands and thousands of cultures and races in Asia.

Thousands of races? What kind of definition are we using for race, here? (For instance, the actual scientific definition of race puts the number of races in the human species at...four. Obviously humans like to go more granular than that, but I would personally struggle to name 100 racially distinctive groups in the human species).

(I'll grant you thousands of cultures; you only need about 1000 people to create a local subculture).

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metroid composite
10/05/11 7:44:00 AM
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SovietOmega posted...


I've never heard that song either, for the record.

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Spark Mandrill
10/05/11 8:18:00 AM
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Him saying all Asians are racist

Which he didn't, and it's working under that assumption that makes you wrong.

And I didn't say anything about not having judged another race or culture. Hell, I know I do it. I question what people do all the time. I judge why a certain race acts the way they do. But unlike you people, the difference is in our INTENT. In Malaysia, we judge each others' races, cultures and what not because we want to LEARN. It's even in our kindergarten, primary and secondary school curriculum, that different races exist, different races act in certain manners and different races judge things differently based on their way of life. A Malay =/= A Chinese =/= An Indian =/= An Indigenous person =/= A Kadazan =/= etc. This is a fact thought in schools.

So basically, making assumptions about a person based on their nationality in Asian cultures is a way to understand one another, but in America it's an instrument of ignorance. Is that right?

Assumptions make the world easier to understand. They are not always true, but they help us "get" certain cultures. In his experience, those that come from countries with little to no integration know nothing of racial sensitivities, or are outright racist themselves. This does not mean every person with an ounce of Asian blood is a timebomb of racism.

Sure, everyone is a little bit racist sometimes (the fact that you think I know this song shows your racism

You're going to call me racist? Big. F***ing. Mistake.

I'd address the fact that referencing a song from a musical that you may not know doesn't make me racist in the slightest, but we've covered that. I could have posted La Vie Boheme and it would be precisely as "racist."

But let me ask you this. How much do YOU know about multiculturalism and how it works OUTSIDE of America?

I know that assumptions about another's personality based on their culture are assumptions all the same, in America and overseas. How you can demonize one and defend another makes zero sense.

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Spark Mandrill
10/05/11 8:32:00 AM
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You are seriously making a mountain out of a mole hill. (Is that phrase universal enough for you?) I refuse to believe that you aren't trolling. You aren't so overly technical and abrasive in regular conversation.

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Gatarix
10/05/11 8:44:00 AM
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But why was Bio suddenly shifting cultures like that? First he was referring to me as an Asian, and now I'm a citizen of the internet? Isn't that a confusing narrative?

Not really. Most people have multiple groups they identify with. I'm Asian and a citizen of the Internet, and I don't find it confusing at all.

Let's say I referenced Snakes on a Plane to you. I'm not making any assumptions about whether most Malaysians have heard of it; I have no idea. I am assuming that the majority of Internet people have heard of it. But either way, it's not something to get worked up over. It's not symbolic of Western imperialism; it's not symbolic of anything.


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special_sauce
10/05/11 9:02:00 AM
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From: NioraptH | #037
not it doesn't, at least not to me. What if the song had an underlying meaning to it, which I would miss by virtue of not knowing it? He didn't say 'as the lyric goes' or 'as the title goes', no, he said SONG, which means the whole song was used to prove his point. So I don't know if he intended to offend me, but I sure found it offensive, and that's my POV on it.


I apologize on his behalf if you feel this way.

That said, you should also be able to recognize that he probably had no intention of offending you. The fact that referencing a song from a musical might stir up memories of oppressive colonial rule probably didn't cross his mind. And I don't think that the fact that he didn't predict your response means that hes insensitive or ignorant.

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Vlado
10/05/11 9:03:00 AM
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I, for one, am quite happy to see Nio in a conversation like this. Keep it up, girl. :)

I have to side with her regarding her being offended by the "Asians are racists" comment... I think she's overreacting a bit to that song reference, but hey... Considering she's already been offended in this very thread, it's understandable.

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The Mana Sword
10/05/11 9:04:00 AM
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I prefer Obama Grilled Chicken.

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GuessMyUserName
10/05/11 10:24:00 AM
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what the hell did you do to my topic Nio

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10/05/11 10:29:00 AM
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Huh. And here I thought Pizza Huh? was the best Chinese knockoff.

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WazzupGenius00
10/05/11 10:33:00 AM
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oh yeah, back to the actual point of the topic, I expected Final Combat, but this is way better.

The commercial at the end of the article was hilarious

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metroid composite
10/05/11 10:46:00 AM
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NioraptH posted...
So what is a regular 'Nio' conversation? Full of squee's and whatnot? Well, I'm sorry that there's more to me than being 'cute' and 'fangirly' all the time. I'm sorry for actually having a multi-layered personality.

I think it's pretty cool, actually. I'm definitely learning things I didn't know before.

But then, I enjoy "Serious Business" internet debates to start with, so.... >_>

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jdizzy156
10/05/11 11:07:00 AM
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Lmao at that pic!

Ive found that in most cases other minorities are worst then white people when it comes to being "racist".
For instance this Chinese girl im now friends with used to be scared of black people because her mother used to tell her they would
come and get her when she was little if she was bad. I thought it was hilarious and sad at the same time.

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