Current Events > These are "virginity statistics" according to Open AI

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How many have had sex with a non-partner?

Foppe posted...

How many have had sex with a non-partner?

My first thought

Probably trained on old research data

party_animal07 posted...

My first thought

What does that even mean

hyped to be part of the 0.3%

Rika_Furude posted...

hyped to be part of the 0.3%

Religious reasons?

A hesitant yes. That figure may not be entirely accurate, but I suspect it may be very close.

STEROLIZER posted...

shyness, social awkwardness, religious attendance, abstinence from alcohol

I guess these would be my reasons.

STEROLIZER posted...

personality disorders

Potentially this too.

STEROLIZER posted...

Religious reasons?

no. im an introverted shut-in

Rika_Furude posted...

no. im an introverted shut-in

Oh. Thats easy then. Just go outside and pick up some hobbies.

STEROLIZER posted...

Oh. Thats easy then. Just go outside and pick up some hobbies.

thats actually very difficult

now ask for the statistics of gamefaqs users

Foppe posted...

How many have had sex with a non-partner?

Well I've had sex with my hand too many times to count.

Rika_Furude posted...

thats actually very difficult

What are some hobbies you either currently enjoy or could theoretically enjoy in the future that can be done outside in the company of other people.

I'm a disability support worker for I kid you not, the absolute poster boy for incels. He has even invented a term, "couples rage" to describe the anger he feels when he sees happy couples in public. He's 50 and miserable.... And he's still been laid 100x thanks to prostitutes.

Nobody should get to 40 as a virgin without at least dabbling with a prostitute

In his case due to his mental illness it hasn't improved his mindset long term, but for most people I think it would

haloiscoolisbak posted...

He's 50 and miserable.... And he's still been laid 100x thanks to prostitutes.

I have no interest in seeing a prostitute whatsoever, but this still feels like a punch in the gut. About the same as it feels someone tells me "I know a really fat ugly guy that gets laid all the time." Just makes me feel like they're more desirable than me.

I know I shouldn't feel that way over someone using prostitutes, maybe it was how it was phrases but it still hit.

Can't imagine getting to my 40s (or 30s for that matter) and not just getting a prostitute. You must genuinely not want to have sex.

KogaSteelfang posted...

I have no interest in seeing a prostitute whatsoever, but this still feels like a punch in the gut. About the same as it feels someone tells me "I know a really fat ugly guy that gets laid all the time." Just makes me feel like they're more desirable than me.

I know I shouldn't feel that way over someone using prostitutes, maybe it was how it was phrases but it still hit.

I haven't met you, but I guarantee you're more desirable than this guy. Even within the brothel he goes to he's been barred from seeing a few of them because he was rude to some of the larger women. Like he's set a low bar.

STEROLIZER posted...

What are some hobbies you either currently enjoy or could theoretically enjoy in the future that can be done outside in the company of other people.

I think ease depends on location. People out in bumfuck nowhere don't exactly have options.

Though I would recommend a dojo for getting laid, if you have any options. If you guys go out to anything, women will approach you, because you're a bunch of strong dudes.

kurdt032 posted...

Can't imagine getting to my 40s (or 30s for that matter) and not just getting a prostitute. You must genuinely not want to have sex.

I just want to be wanted. The idea of renting someone else's body to use for own pleasure bothers me.

It's never been about the sex, but that does bother me. It's about my inability to find someone myself. About being unwanted, undesirable, and a failure.

Besides, haloiscoolisbak stated that it didn't even help the guy. I don't feel it would help me either, but instead make me feel worse that I had to resort to that just to lose a label and for someone to let me use them physically. I'd gain nothing from it.

haloiscoolisbak posted...

Like he's set a low bar.

A low bar that's still better than anything I can accomplish.

Ugh, I'm sorry, my mental health has been spiraling and this is one of my triggers. I'm going to try and get some sleep instead of complaining here.

KogaSteelfang posted...

I just want to be wanted. The idea of renting someone else's body to use for own pleasure bothers me.

It's never been about the sex, but that does bother me. It's about my inability to find someone myself. About being unwanted, undesirable, and a failure.

Besides, haloiscoolisbak stated that it didn't even help the guy. I don't feel it would help me either, but instead make me feel worse that I had to resort to that just to lose a label and for someone to let me use them physically. I'd gain nothing from it.

A low bar that's still better than anything I can accomplish.

Ugh, I'm sorry, my mental health has been spiraling and this is one of my triggers. I'm going to try and get some sleep instead of complaining here.

Yeah but do you actually pursue relationships with whichever gender you're attracted to?

KogaSteelfang posted...

I have no interest in seeing a prostitute whatsoever, but this still feels like a punch in the gut. About the same as it feels someone tells me "I know a really fat ugly guy that gets laid all the time." Just makes me feel like they're more desirable than me.

I know I shouldn't feel that way over someone using prostitutes, maybe it was how it was phrases but it still hit.

Like a legit ugly bastard looking motherfucker? I didn't know those existed in real life

projectpat72988 posted...

Yeah but do you actually pursue relationships with whichever gender you're attracted to?

A couple of issues here. IDK how I'm supposed to pursue a relationship when I can't even get a date. Also, I'm fairly certain that I'm demisexual, at least partially I think. There is no attraction until I grow close to someone first. Well, I do sometimes get crushes on people, but it only goes beyond that if I get to know them and like them.

I don't have many options. I don't think most people realize that. They always have options, and opportunities, and have people interested in them and can't understand when a person simply has none of that.

tremain07 posted...

Like a legit ugly bastard looking motherfucker? I didn't know those existed in real life

I've met a few. But honestly, you'd have to ask them. I've been told that quite a few times, with people thinking it'd give me hope rather than make me feel inferior to said "fat ugly guy."

KogaSteelfang posted...

A couple of issues here. IDK how I'm supposed to pursue a relationship when I can't even get a date. Also, I'm fairly certain that I'm demisexual, at least partially I think. There is no attraction until I grow close to someone first. Well, I do sometimes get crushes on people, but it only goes beyond that if I get to know them and like them.

I don't have many options. I don't think most people realize that. They always have options, and opportunities, and have people interested in them and can't understand when a person simply has none of that.

I've met a few. But honestly, you'd have to ask them. I've been told that quite a few times, with people thinking it'd give me hope rather than make me feel inferior to said "fat ugly guy."

It's the self awareness you're showing that my client lacks. He is full of hate and blame for others. I don't think you realise how many women out there would genuinely accept you rather than make it seem like you're less than them.

I say this as a 32 year old who lost it at 28. Dating apps and perseverance.

Dating apps can be scary

haloiscoolisbak posted...

It's the self awareness you're showing that my client lacks. He is full of hate and blame for others.

The way I see it there's only 2 options here. Blame them, or blame myself. There's 1 common denominator here and it's me. I think I probably have the same bitterness and hate as most incels, it's just focused inward instead.

haloiscoolisbak posted...

I don't think you realise how many women out there would genuinely accept you rather than make it seem like you're less than them.

Maybe, but accepting me doesn't mean that they'd want to be with me. Everyone else being able to find someone is what makes me feel inferior. I'd very much like to just be an equal.

haloiscoolisbak posted...

I say this as a 32 year old who lost it at 28.

Even your relatively late start is at least a start. You managed to find someone who wanted to be with you.

haloiscoolisbak posted...

Dating apps and perseverance.

I simply don't have this. I'll try for like 5-6 months in dating apps, and that failure added to the rest wears me down. Like I said, I can't even get a date. How am I supposed to manage anything more?

KogaSteelfang posted...

I just want to be wanted.

Idk man, maybe if you see what it feels like, you'll accelerate that time since the sex hangup isn't in the way

It's like having your first beer or first vacation or something. There's novelty in it being your first but it's really just an experience that blends in with your life

I can't think of anything I've done multiple times where the first time was like legitimately the best time.

Not getting laid isn't helping your confidence, why not try it? You're literally jealous of a 50 year old that fucks hookers.

If you really just desires someone to want you, you would have no reason to be jealous of that guy.

At the very worst, it's just another day to put behind you

And most single people are also waiting for someone to truly desire them, regardless of how much sex they have/had. You waiting for sex while it bleeding through every interaction you have is not helping you.

KogaSteelfang posted...

The way I see it there's only 2 options here. Blame them, or blame myself. There's 1 common denominator here and it's me. I think I probably have the same bitterness and hate as most incels, it's just focused inward instead.

Maybe, but accepting me doesn't mean that they'd want to be with me. Everyone else being able to find someone is what makes me feel inferior. I'd very much like to just be an equal.

Even your relatively late start is at least a start. You managed to find someone who wanted to be with you.

I simply don't have this. I'll try for like 5-6 months in dating apps, and that failure added to the rest wears me down. Like I said, I can't even get a date. How am I supposed to manage anything more?

As the above poster said, I would try with a prostitute just to at least experience the logistics of the whole thing. It'll all feel less impossible moving forward.

The girl would probably be a lot more caring than you think as well. They're still people. Just be respectful.

Master_Kazuya posted...

Idk man, maybe if you see what it feels like, you'll accelerate that time since the sex hangup isn't in the way

I consider sex to be a natural part of dating, and relationships. Those are what I want, despite complaining about being a virgin. In my mind, they're all wrapped up as the same thing. It's just simpler to say I'm a virgin, because you get the whole picture in just a word.

Master_Kazuya posted...

It's like having your first beer or first vacation or something. There's novelty in it being your first but it's really just an experience that blends in with your life

I can't think of anything I've done multiple times where the first time was like legitimately the best time.

Sex is a complicated subject. It means different things for different people. For some people it's meaningless, for others it's an expression of love and means a lot. Some people cheat because they don't view it as anything but entertainment, but that also ends marriages and relationships. It's an emotional and powerful thing, and I simply want my first time to be with someone who wants to be with me. Not someone who just wants money and lets me use their body.

Master_Kazuya posted...

Not getting laid isn't helping your confidence, why not try it? You're literally jealous of a 50 year old that fucks hookers.

Because paying for it would give me another hangup in exchange for practically nothing. I could what, brag about paying for it? Knowing it was the only way I could manage at all? How would that help my confidence?

Master_Kazuya posted...

If you really just desires someone to want you, you would have no reason to be jealous of that guy.

Like I said, I think it was the way it was phrased. The part about him being laid 100x came before the part about the prostitutes. I initially thought he was talking about an incel that was infinitely more successful than I could ever hope to be. That hit me before I realized he was discussing prostitutes, but by that point it has already triggered my insecurities.

Master_Kazuya posted...

And most single people are also waiting for someone to truly desire them, regardless of how much sex they have/had. You waiting for sex while it bleeding through every interaction you have is not helping you.

Those people have options. If they can get a date, then they can also eventually have sex. If they can have sex, they can eventually find a relationship. Finding those things means they're desirable. It means people look at them and see someone they want to be with. Seeing others have all that, when I'm failing hurts.

Paying for sex would just hurt me more, and it would be something I could never take back. It would always be my first time. I'd be ashamed of myself, and afraid to ever mention it if asked about it. Between the two choices, yeah, I'd rather stay a virgin than pay for it.

Open AI has no data, it's just saying shit

haloiscoolisbak posted...

As the above poster said, I would try with a prostitute just to at least experience the logistics of the whole thing. It'll all feel less impossible moving forward.

The girl would probably be a lot more caring than you think as well. They're still people. Just be respectful.

Oh, you think so too then. I guess I assumed you'd think differently since it didn't help your client at all.

Master_Kazuya posted...

I can't think of anything I've done multiple times where the first time was like legitimately the best time.

Really? Firsts are pretty big for me. You only get to taste chocolate for the first time once, or experience the wonder of the new tech of realtime 3d world once (looking at you OoT), or you first game in general, or the first time you see what would become your favorite show, your first competition won, your first kiss, etc.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8a05f6e8.jpg

KogaSteelfang posted...

Oh, you think so too then. I guess I assumed you'd think differently since it didn't help your client at all.

I didn't lose my virginity to a prostitute, but it was some crazy religious girl who I ended up not liking after a few months due to her views on abortion. It was hardly an enjoyable experience and I may as well have paid for it.

I've dated two more people since and paid for it since a few times too. Sex in either context offers enjoyment in its own way. It's all just a bit more normalised for me now. And I much prefer the way I now view it. I'm still looking for love too btw.

My client is very stubborn, not a good listener and very close minded so he's not actually benefiting/learning from the prostitute experiences the way myself and I imagine most others would

haloiscoolisbak posted...

I didn't lose my virginity to a prostitute

I didn't assume you did. I just didn't think you'd suggest prostitution from what you posted about him.

haloiscoolisbak posted...

but it was some crazy religious girl who I ended up not liking after a few months due to her views on abortion. It was hardly an enjoyable experience and I may as well have paid for it.

But you didn't have to.

haloiscoolisbak posted...

I've dated two more people since and paid for it since a few times too. Sex in either context offers enjoyment in its own way.

Do you think your view would change if you had no other option? Maybe you're just more open minded about sex than I am, but prostitution is not appealing to me in the slightest.

haloiscoolisbak posted...

My client is very stubborn, not a good listener and very close minded so he's not actually benefiting/learning from the prostitute experiences the way myself and I imagine most others would

My problem lies with finding a partner who wants to be with me. Finding a date, and a relationship. How would a prostitute help me to attract someone? Help me be able to speak better? Help me be someone worth being with?

I know your going to say confidence, but it would hurt mine. If you're going to say experience, that would only benefit me after finding success.

KogaSteelfang posted...

I simply don't have this. I'll try for like 5-6 months in dating apps, and that failure added to the rest wears me down. Like I said, I can't even get a date. How am I supposed to manage anything more?

Choosing the right dating app is important. Tinder is one of the worst, it's like 75% men, and out of the remaining 25% lots of them are bots or scam artists. Bumble is better, like 33% female I believe, and supposedly women are better about messaging especially if you go on the site looking for a long-term relationship. And match.com has always been close to 50/50.

But there are other factors too. Like, if you live in an area where almost nobody uses dating apps, obviously you're going to have a terrible time trying to get a date on them.

KogaSteelfang posted...

I didn't assume you did. I just didn't think you'd suggest prostitution from what you posted about him.

But you didn't have to.

Do you think your view would change if you had no other option? Maybe you're just more open minded about sex than I am, but prostitution is not appealing to me in the slightest.

My problem lies with finding a partner who wants to be with me. Finding a date, and a relationship. How would a prostitute help me to attract someone? Help me be able to speak better? Help me be someone worth being with?

I know your going to say confidence, but it would hurt mine. If you're going to say experience, that would only benefit me after finding success.

I know you didn't think I lost mine to a prostitute, but I'm saying it wouldn't have mattered if you did. Because I honestly think a sex worker would have been better for me. I learnt more from them than her about women and probably could have made the next two girls I dated go a bit better with a different mindset. I know I didn't have to lose it to that girl but I thought I liked her at the time and was pretty damn lonely.

The big benefit of sex for the sake of sex(paid sex)I think is just normalising something I'd only ever thought about or seen in porn. understanding women's view on things better. Understanding how to discuss embarassing things and sensitive subjects better. It's a lot more consequence free in a way thats hard to explain.

IDK guys. I really don't think that route is right for me. I don't think I'll be able to pivot my opinion just because you guys are ok with it.

I just don't think sex on its own is important enough to me to do that. Yes, it's important to me, but more for what it represents rather than just an act to do with someone.

That shouldn't be my only option. I shouldn't be locked into staying a virgin and paying someone for sex. You keep saying that sex workers are people too, and of course they are... But I'm a person. I have value, my life should matter shouldn't it? I just don't understand how I ended up being such a worthless person. How pretty much anyone else can find romantic success with just a little effort, and I'm still a complete and total failure at 40. I'm no good... And if no one wants to be with me, I'd rather just be alone.

Alright, if you truly think you'd be happier alone that's valid. You know yourself better than I do ofc

action52 posted...

Choosing the right dating app is important. Tinder is one of the worst, it's like 75% men, and out of the remaining 25% lots of them are bots or scam artists. Bumble is better, like 33% female I believe, and supposedly women are better about messaging especially if you go on the site looking for a long-term relationship. And match.com has always been close to 50/50.

Bumble, Hinge and Coffee Meets Bagel are the best mix of free dating apps, and all are quite different and allow different approaches. Some work better for some people than others.

Yeah, I don't know much about the paid matchmaking services such as Match and eHarmony. I know they are pricey, but the curation likely helps for some people.

Whoa I'm part of the 0.3% of something, am I elite now?

haloiscoolisbak posted...

Alright, if you truly think you'd be happier alone that's valid. You know yourself better than I do ofc

I'd be happier to know someone looked at me and liked what they saw. To have someone flirt with me or hit on me. To want to hang out with me and go places together. To find someone who likes me enough to want to share them self with me. To be valued. To be wanted. To be loved. For someone to be with me physically, not because it's their job, not for money, but for me. The way I want to be someone.

Yes, I know almost everyone is struggling to find love. To find happiness. But they aren't all struggling to find a chance. They're not struggling to find a partner, if even just for the night.

You were 28 and it didn't work out, but you found someone. You found 2 others after as well. And I can't. I just want to have the same basic value that you have. To be equal. To have a chance. Those people saw you, they liked you, they valued you, they wanted to be with you.

I've never had any of that. It's an empty feeling, and I simply feel that paying for an empty meaningless experience would benefit me. I honestly think I'd end up even more ashamed of myself, and hating that it was my only option.

The one thing that definitely isn't going to get anyone anywhere is not trying to change things to get themselves a partner, and just talking about it

You gotta change it yourself. You're the only one that can

Smackems posted...

The one thing that definitely isn't going to get anyone anywhere is not trying to change things to get themselves a partner, and just talking about it

You gotta change it yourself. You're the only one that can

Everyone always thinks I haven't tried. Rather than thinking that I have and failed miserably for years.

KogaSteelfang posted...

Everyone always thinks I haven't tried. Rather than thinking that I have and failed miserably for years.

You have to keep trying. I know it's tough, man, but you can't stop. That won't solve it

You've got it in you. I've seen enough of you to know you've got it. You just have to learn to get it out

Talked to a therapist?

Smackems posted...

You have to keep trying. I know it's tough, man, but you can't stop. That won't solve it

It just feels so hopeless. It's been over 4 years since my last attempt and it feels like that took everything I had left. I've been considering trying again, but I'm so tired of it all, I don't feel like I have it in me. I wish I could just meet someone and hit it off and go from there.

Smackems posted...

You've got it in you. I've seen enough of you to know you've got it. You just have to learn to get it out

Thanks.

Smackems posted...

Talked to a therapist?

Not recently. My previous one made fun of me for this. Insulted me too.

KogaSteelfang posted...

It just feels so hopeless. It's been over 4 years since my last attempt and it feels like that took everything I had left. I've been considering trying again, but I'm so tired of it all, I don't feel like I have it in me. I wish I could just meet someone and hit it off and go from there.

Thanks.

Not recently. My previous one made fun of me for this. Insulted me too.

Yeah if that happened that's very unprofessional. Different things make different people upset and a therapist of all people should know that

haloiscoolisbak posted...

Yeah if that happened that's very unprofessional. Different things make different people upset and a therapist of all people should know that

Yeah, I was seeing him for my social anxiety. Because I really struggle around people IRL. My first time meeting him he decided roleplay was the best action to take, then he got mad that I was reserved and not totally involved. I mean, I did my best, but he was a stranger and I was already uncomfortable and then he puts me on the spot to act out situations.

It wasn't until much later that the other stuff came up. But yeah, once he learned that I was a virgin he'd open every session after that with "get laid yet?" and he'd offer no help beyond "use tinder" which I was at the time.

Then he told me that my face was half the reason that I couldn't get laid. Told me that I'm no Grad Pitt and someone who looks like me obviously would struggle... Then he asked why I wanted to date, and I told him I wanted to become a father. He told me to give up on that because I'd be an awful father.

It's like he only listened enough to find out what bothered me, then attacked that every time. He made things so much worse.

KogaSteelfang posted...

Yeah, I was seeing him for my social anxiety. Because I really struggle around people IRL. My first time meeting him he decided roleplay was the best action to take, then he got mad that I was reserved and not totally involved. I mean, I did my best, but he was a stranger and I was already uncomfortable and then he puts me on the spot to act out situations.

It wasn't until much later that the other stuff came up. But yeah, once he learned that I was a virgin he'd open every session after that with "get laid yet?" and he'd offer no help beyond "use tinder" which I was at the time.

Then he told me that my face was half the reason that I couldn't get laid. Told me that I'm no Grad Pitt and someone who looks like me obviously would struggle... Then he asked why I wanted to date, and I told him I wanted to become a father. He told me to give up on that because I'd be an awful father.

It's like he only listened enough to find out what bothered me, then attacked that every time. He made things so much worse.

It sounds like you should have asked him for a refund. I wouldnt be surprised if he was a more messed up person than a lot of his patients.