Current Events > Saw image and thought of the 'do you think Israel will cost Biden the election?'

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https://gazette.com/news/us-world/biden-threatens-change-in-us-policy-if-netanyahu-fails-

to-protect-gaza-civilians/article_01d72545-e165-5f31-afa6-5fa107c15e72.html

Biden seeks to leverage aid to force Israel to take better care with civilians and aid workers. Seems reasonable to me. Trump would surely do this.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Tell me where anyone has even remotely said this

My parents sickeningly said "They should not have been there!", "They knew where they were!" We get into arguments a lot about this whole thing with Palestine. They are on Israel's side and I am not.

ButteryMales posted...

People are tired of the circular arguments not that you're going to hold them accountable. Whatever that means.

Biden needs to earn votes just like Hillary did when she lost to Trump. You can keep thinking he doesn't and it won't change that Biden does.

if your argument is going to be that Hillary is at fault for all the evil trump has done, nobody is going to take you seriously

the fact of the matter is that theres a certain amount of morality you need to have. Its not enough that hes not as horrific as trump is a trash opinion to justify not voting against trump. If trump wins because people like you didnt vote against him, never mistake yourself for a good person for the rest of your life

So exactly what is the magical number of acceptable killed children, journalists, medics, civilians, aid workers, etc?
Are they one above the ones we had when Trump was President?
They were worse a few years before Trump, so are they one above the worst number before Biden became President?

Kaldrenthebold posted...

https://gazette.com/news/us-world/biden-threatens-change-in-us-policy-if-netanyahu-fails-

to-protect-gaza-civilians/article_01d72545-e165-5f31-afa6-5fa107c15e72.html

Biden seeks to leverage aid to force Israel to take better care with civilians and aid workers. Seems reasonable to me. Trump would surely do this.

Yeah, one phone call and Biden already made Netanyahu fire senior army officers, open up a border crossing and allowing a port to be used for aid shipments.

This is the power the US has over Israel. People have been arguing up and down that Biden could not and would not do these things. Imagine how many lives could be saved if Biden actually started to wave his metaphorical dick around.

Rika_Furude posted...

if your argument is going to be that Hillary is at fault for all the evil trump has done, nobody is going to take you seriously

I'm just telling you the reality of how elections work. Biden and Hillary need to earn votes. I don't care who's fault it is for Trump winning.

Rika_Furude posted...

the fact of the matter is that theres a certain amount of morality you need to have. Its not enough that hes not as horrific as trump is a trash opinion to justify not voting against trump. If trump wins because people like you didnt vote against him, never mistake yourself for a good person for the rest of your life

Biden is committing a genocide. It's not moral to vote for him either.

If only Hamas didn't attack Israel, then they wouldn't have to be counterattacked so hard people whine about a "genocide". Doesn't matter how much you whine or put all caps on it, the Palestinians are gonna have to take some Personal Responsibility for starters.

Quartermuncher posted...

Palestinians are gonna have to take some Personal Responsibility for starters.

Does that include the 13,000 or so children that have been killed?

Lot of bad takes in here. Most people don't vote blindly down party lines. They educate themselves and vote policy. Imagine voting all red or blue. How dumb.

maxpkmf posted...

Lot of bad takes in here. Most people don't vote blindly down party lines. They educate themselves and vote policy. Imagine voting all red or blue. How dumb.

List how many reds aren't MAGA.

Rika_Furude posted...

youve already been told how abstaining from voting helps republicans more than it does democrats. Stop lying about how youre just an innocent centrist who doesnt vote

I haven't said I'm abstaining (or that I would if I were American), and I've certainly never claimed to be a centrist. You're completely missing the point and misrepresenting what I (and others) have been saying, and at this point it's hard not to conclude that you're doing it on purpose.

https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-795492

Israel immediately increases aid to stem off hunger and a humanitarian crisis after Biden threat. Golly let's teach him a lesson

Hornezz posted...

Yeah, one phone call and Biden already made Netanyahu fire senior army officers, open up a border crossing and allowing a port to be used for aid shipments.

This is the power the US has over Israel. People have been arguing up and down that Biden could not and would not do these things. Imagine how many lives could be saved if Biden actually started to wave his metaphorical dick around.

So are you going to vote Biden now or continue complaining that he did nothing?

Quartermuncher posted...

If only HAMAS didn't attack Israel, then they wouldn't have to be counterattacked so hard people whine about a "genocide". Doesn't matter how much you whine or put all caps on it, the PALESTINIANS are gonna have to take some Personal Responsibility for starters.

Why does it feel like you think these 2 words are synonyms?

Tanthalas posted...

So are you going to vote Biden now or continue complaining that he did nothing?

He did the absolute minimum what he should have done months ago. The US also voted against a UNHRC resolution today that will hold Israel accountable for war crimes.

Biden needs to suspend arms transfers as long as the human right violations continue. That's not just a demand that I'm making, it's the policy that Biden himself set but does not adhere to.

maxpkmf posted...

Lot of bad takes in here. Most people don't vote blindly down party lines. They educate themselves and vote policy. Imagine voting all red or blue. How dumb.

What are you smoking to think people dont blindly vote down party lines? That is literally the entire republican party right there.

We're all gonna fucking die if we don't vote for Biden.

The fuck else motivation does anyone need?

Hornezz posted...

He did the absolute minimum what he should have done months ago. The US also voted against a UNHRC resolution today that will hold Israel accountable for war crimes.

Biden needs to suspend arms transfers as long as the human right violations continue. That's not just a demand that I'm making, it's the policy that Biden himself set but does not adhere to.

Yeah, I also suspected that.

SaikyoStyle posted...

How does Biden losing help Palestine?

It doesn't, but a protest non-voter will sure feel more clear headed eating their Cheerios in the morning, but that sense of moral righteousness will be shortlived as other fucked up things start to merge.

Remember when Obama drone striked a bunch of hospitals and the left branded him one of the worst Presidents ever, and vowed they'd rather the GOP beat him than ever vote for a genocidal president again?

hockeybabe89 posted...

Remember when Obama drone striked a bunch of hospitals

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1501968139000725505

When she's right, she's right.

maxpkmf posted...

Lot of bad takes in here. Most people don't vote blindly down party lines. They educate themselves and vote policy. Imagine voting all red or blue. How dumb.

I'm very educated on policy and that's why Biden is far and away a better overall option than Trump. Gaza is a single foreign policy issue, and even Biden's shitty take there is still better than Trump's. And then he's a lot less dangerous than Trump on every other issue.

The clear logical, less harmful choice in the Trump-Biden binary is Biden. Whether he is a good guy or electrifying or anything at all is irrelevant. I'd vote for a nameless, party-less mystery candidate if they lined up against Trump the same way.

hockeybabe89 posted...

The clear logical, less harmful choice in the Trump-Biden binary is Biden. Whether he is a good guy or electrifying or anything at all is irrelevant.

It's not irrelevant if Biden's choice to keep giving weapons and money to Israel's genocidal government alienates enough of his supporters that Trump ends up winning.

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

It's not irrelevant if Biden's choice to keep giving weapons and money to Israel's genocidal government alienates enough of his supporters that Trump ends up winning.

Do they not care about any other issues or people? How fucking stupid are they? It makes it seem like their passion for saving people is secretly bullshit.

hockeybabe89 posted...

Do they not care about any other issues or people? How fucking stupid are they? It makes it seem like their passion for saving people is secretly bullshit.

I just realized something. Do you know who else are single issue voters? Republicans.

nocturnal_traveler posted...

I just realized something. Do you know who else are single issue voters? Republicans.

Zoinks, I think we cracked the case here Scoobs. Time for protest voters to take a good long look at what is at stake.

cjsdowg posted...

That isn't a strawman at all. That is a question. How many more innocent aid workers, Journalist, students , peace protesters. Will make you stop supporting a guy who is fine with it.

Your solution to the problem would make you an even bigger genocide supporter.

Hornezz posted...

Your words: "It isn't my fault that my only real choices are Gazan Genocide but I have rights or Gazan Genocide but I and millions of others don't have rights."

Also your words: "Genocide happens either way, chief."

When I asked whether genocide in Gaza and genocide in Gaza + US were the only choice, you answered yes:

Biden is bad on Israel
Trump's bad on Israel
The Electoral College binds us to a binary.

Tell me you think in earnest that Trump will be more likely to fold under public pressure. Please, I fucking beg you.

Hornezz posted...

All the options you provide include genocide for Gazans. That sounds like acceptance.

You are fucking exhausting. You have been told this over and over and over and over and over again. Biden could still fold. Trump will never fold. You tell me exactly what part of "I want the president that's most likely to fold under public pressure to win the election" is "accepting genocide".

Please, I'm waiting.

Hornezz posted...

So do it then, instead of arguing with everyone protesting a fucking genocide.

https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2024/2/27/voters-support-the-us-calling-for-permanent-ceasefire-in- gaza-and-conditioning-military-aid-to-israel#:~:text=Around%20two%2Dthirds%20of%20voters,escalation%20of%20violence%20in%20Gaza.

Every time they're asked people tell Biden they're not a fan. You're being purposefully dense dying on this stupid ass hill. You can't fucking imagine that people literally already are, so you keep insisting people aren't. Shut the fuck up, jesus fucking christ.

Hornezz posted...

Not

See above.

Nice to see your other little abstainer friends have joined the topic. Now you can all be disingenuous reality deniers together!

LightningThief posted...

Your solution to the problem would make you an even bigger genocide supporter.

Trump will make the lives of the people you claim to care about far more worse. Intentionally letting Trump win, isn't making you the better person.

But see? He didn't participate! So he's morally clear! So when we're lined up against the wall because the GOP wins, the last thing we'll hear is Cjsdowg going "Maybe Biden should have stopped supporting genocide and you shouldn't have voted for him! I care about people!"

Hornezz posted...

Yeah, one phone call and Biden already made Netanyahu fire senior army officers, open up a border crossing and allowing a port to be used for aid shipments.

This is the power the US has over Israel. People have been arguing up and down that Biden could not and would not do these things. Imagine how many lives could be saved if Biden actually started to wave his metaphorical dick around.

So you're saying Biden is doing stuff to stop it? Golly gee whillickers! Almost like what I've been saying since yesterday.

Kaldrenthebold posted...

So you're saying Biden is doing stuff to stop it? Golly gee whillickers! Almost like what I've been saying since yesterday.

Kinda weird that he still won't support Biden when he does what he wants.

Cemith posted...

You tell me exactly what part of "I want the president that's most likely to fold under public pressure to win the election" is "accepting genocide".

Don't deny what you said when it's right here in front of you. I literally just quoted you on three separate times saying that all options include genocide.

I'll give you a fourth even.

When I told you: "Begrudgingly accepting genocide as an inevitability isn't the brave battle against fascism you seem to think it is", you replied with "It is":
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80737505/979715260

Biden could still fold. Trump will never fold.

Which is what I've been arguing the whole damn time.

Like holy shit are you so blinded in your reflexive need to defend Biden at all cost that you actually haven't noticed I've been arguing in favor of him getting elected? No wonder it feels like I'm talking to a brick wall.

havean776 posted...

Kinda weird that he still won't support Biden when he does what he wants.

"But he still has to earn my vote! LGBT people and minorities be damned. What has Biden done for me?"

Biden doesnt electrify or inspire me enough so Im just gonna sit on my ass and let fascists have power again. Then Im going to blame everyone else when my rights are taken away and the economy craters.

Hornezz posted...

Don't deny what you said when it's right here in front of you. I literally just quoted you on three separate times saying that all options include genocide.

I'm not. They do. I fucking said this to you.

Cemith posted...

Biden is bad on Israel
Trump's bad on Israel
The Electoral College binds us to a binary.

Tell me you think in earnest that Trump will be more likely to fold under public pressure. Please, I fucking beg you.

Hornezz posted...

When I told you: "Begrudgingly accepting genocide as an inevitability isn't the brave battle against fascism you seem to think it is", you replied with "It is":

Because it is.

Cemith posted...

Biden is bad on Israel
Trump's bad on Israel
The Electoral College binds us to a binary.

Tell me you think in earnest that Trump will be more likely to fold under public pressure. Please, I fucking beg you.

But you want to know the sneaky little secret? It's that we can still make Biden change! How you're so fucking allergic to this point, I genuinely do not know.

Hornezz posted...

Which is what I've been arguing the whole damn time.

Could have fooled me. Every time we had to chastise you to actually claim that Trump is also bad, all you did was play safety for Trump. Sorry I call a spade a spade.

Hornezz posted...

Like holy shit are you so blinded in your reflexive need to defend Biden at all cost that you actually haven't noticed I've been arguing in favor of him getting elected? No wonder it feels like I'm talking to a brick wall.

I've never defending Biden's handling of Israel. You know this too, but you're being purposefully dense because you're clearly a centrist in a left mask. All I do is acknowledge the reality of the two party system. Not sure why this is so hard for you. A magical third option does not and will not exist before the election.

Now please tell me why Biden has to earn your vote when the other one is a fascist.

I'll be waiting.

Some old song and dance with these clowns.

Don't let them fool you, they are fascists lying in the weeds.

"Biden can change! And also all options include genocide!"
"I never accepted genocide! And also me accepting genocide means I'm fighting fascism!"

You haven't made a single honest post in this whole topic.

Now please tell me why Biden has to earn your vote when the other one is a fascist.

I don't give a damn about who you choose to blame or thank for the next election results. Feel free to delude yourself in to believing that politicians don't need to earn votes and that voters should just fall in line even if that means accepting genocide.

There's no such thing as an acceptable genocide, and fuck everyone who argues otherwise.

Hornezz posted...

"Biden can change! And also all options include genocide!"
"I never accepted genocide! And also me accepting genocide means I'm fighting fascism!"

You haven't made a single honest post in this whole topic.

I don't give a damn about who you choose to blame or thank for the next election results. Feel free to delude yourself in to believing that politicians don't need to earn votes and that voters should just fall in line even if that means accepting genocide.

There's no such thing as an acceptable genocide, and fuck everyone who argues otherwise.

Cool that Trump won your vote.

Hornezz posted...

"Biden can change! And also all options include genocide!"
"I never accepted genocide! And also me accepting genocide means I'm fighting fascism!"

You haven't made a single honest post in this whole topic.

I don't give a damn about who you choose to blame or thank for the next election results. Feel free to delude yourself in to believing that politicians don't need to earn votes and that voters should just fall in line even if that means accepting genocide.

There's no such thing as an acceptable genocide, and fuck everyone who argues otherwise.

who are you voting for

rynobot posted...

Don't let them fool you, they are fascists lying in the weeds.

Surely you mean the sort of people who argue that politicians should do whatever they want and still deserve unconditional loyalty from their base? Surely you mean the sort of people who argue that sometimes genocides is acceptable for the greater good?

Or do you have a very creative different definition of fascism?

hockeybabe89 posted...

We're all gonna fucking die if we don't vote for Biden.

I don't think people know how they sound when they say stuff like this

Hornezz posted...

"Biden can change!

Agreed! Glad you can see reason

Hornezz posted...

And also all options include genocide!"

They do, tentatively, and you know this too.

Hornezz posted...

"I never accepted genocide!

Those two things aren't mutually exclusive.

Hornezz posted...

I don't give a damn about who you choose to blame or thank for the next election results

The GOP thanks you for your steadfast commitment. When they're walking over the bodies of the queer people they gunned down for sport, your abstention will be duly noted.

Hornezz posted...

There's no such thing as an acceptable genocide, and fuck everyone who argues otherwise.

There's no such thing as a viable conservative candidate, and yet here you are blue in the face screaming about "Biden bad". What a brave and unique take.

You have made it abundantly clear that you are at the very least, complicit in a fascist rise to power. As such, I will never believe you care about Gaza. Why would you care about a genocide overseas when you can't be fucked to prevent one domestically?

Also, you probably didn't notice, but others will:

Cemith posted...

All I do is acknowledge the reality of the two party system. Not sure why this is so hard for you

You still are unable to grasp the "first past the post" election framework. You do not live in the same reality as the rest of us.

Let's boil this down to a single question. Are you voting for Biden when it will inevitably come down to him and Trump. Yes, or no?

MrMojoRising posted...

I don't think people know how they sound when they say stuff like this

Why don't you ask women who no longer have access to safe abortion in red states how safe they feel under the conservative SCOTUS?

I mean, you're a Trumper, so it makes sense you don't have a basic grasp on reality, but I'm still curious what you think

Hornezz posted...

Surely you mean the sort of people who argue that politicians should do whatever they want and still deserve unconditional loyalty from their base? Surely you mean the sort of people who argue that sometimes genocides is acceptable for the greater good?

Or do you have a very creative different definition of fascism?

You can lie all you want about why this and why that.. in the end you are carrying water for Facists Republicans. Say whatever you like about why you won't vote for Biden, I don't buy it.

Israel wont cost Biden the election. But it should be a heavy point that we need to stop arming Israel with tools that can be used offensively.

Trump will make it much worse, so we cant allow him to win.

MrMojoRising posted...

I don't think people know how they sound when they say stuff like this

You dont give a shit because you can only think about yourself, as you have quite literally stated in previous posts.

Trump will attempt to strip rights from certain groups in america. They arent you so just dont care though.

Cemith posted...

When they're walking over the bodies of the queer people they gunned down for sport, your abstention will be duly noted.

There's something absolutely vile about making these sort of threats while in the same breath defending this:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4684e379.jpg
How's that brave fight against fascism of yours going so far? Are ya winning yet?

Hornezz posted...

There's something absolutely vile about making these sort of threats while in the same breath defending this:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4684e379.jpg
How's that brave fight against fascism of yours going so far? Are ya winning yet?

Your mask has come off, guy. Everyone knows this is self righteous posturing. We know you don't care, no amount of posting is changing that.