Current Events > Saw image and thought of the 'do you think Israel will cost Biden the election?'

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Hornezz posted...

He should start working on it today. Canada and Spain already managed to do it. The policy is in place.

The atrocities have been going on for months. Biden has chosen to deliver billions worth weapons well after the ICJ had ruled that there was a plausible genocide. It should have been done long ago.

Okay, so if he does it 3 days from now, are you still going to vote in Trump? Or is today the hard cap for completely rearranging a decades old foreign policy?

Will_VIIII posted...

If so my bad!

No worries! There's a shitload of posts so I don't blame you for it.

Kaldrenthebold posted...

I was confused a bit too but this does clear it up. Idk why it was getting muddled but it sure was.

I'm trying to be clear so sorry if my intentions come out muddy I'm sorry :S

Cemith posted...

Okay, so if he does it 3 days from now, are you still going to vote in Trump?

Never once have I advocated for voting in Trump.

All my qualms with Biden would disappear if he institutes a total arms ban. I'll even publicly endorse him for you.

I just want to be clear that if you're a US citizen and not voting for Biden, at minimum this means that both the rapist who continues to paraphrase Hitler becoming president again, and project 2025 are things you at minimum are willing to tolerate.

That already tells me everything I need to know about someone's character.

Hornezz posted...

Never once have I advocated for voting in Trump.

Advocating people do not vote for Biden is advocating for people to vote in Trump. Trump psychopath cultists are going to vote him in regardless, so it's kind of a "all hands on deck" situation.

Will_VIIII posted...

I just want to be clear that if you're a US citizen and not voting for Biden, at minimum this means that both the rapist who continues to paraphrase Hitler becoming president again, and project 2025 are things you at minimum are willing to tolerate.

That already tells me everything I need to know about someone's character.

I actually went out of my way to give you an honest answer but clearly you weren't interested because you're only here to start shit.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80738550/979746979

I'm good with pressuring him and even voting uncommitted under the Democrats in the primary but the two choices are already clear for November

Hornezz posted...

Never once have I advocated for voting in Trump.

All my qualms with Biden would disappear if he institutes a total arms ban. I'll even publicly endorse him for you.

So basically you demand that Biden completely abandon a long-standing ally in the middle of a war. This isnt a realistic demand.

Tanthalas posted...

So basically you demand that Biden completely abandon a long-standing ally in the middle of a war. This isnt a realistic demand.

Yes.

Biden's administration wrote this into policy:

"The newly revised CAT Policy is committed to strengthening U.S. national security by reinforcing respect for human rights, international humanitarian law, democratic governance, and rule of law, by: - Preventing arms transfers that risk facilitating or otherwise contributing to violations of human rights or international humanitarian law"
https://www.state.gov/the-u-s-conventional-arms-transfer-policy/

Will_VIIII posted...

I'm good with pressuring him and even voting uncommitted under the Democrats in the primary but the two choices are already clear for November

Yes most people are which is what we've been trying to say. Still wild this needs to be pointed out.

Hornezz posted...

Yes.

Biden's administration wrote this into policy:

"The newly revised CAT Policy is committed to strengthening U.S. national security by reinforcing respect for human rights, international humanitarian law, democratic governance, and rule of law, by: - Preventing arms transfers that risk facilitating or otherwise contributing to violations of human rights or international humanitarian law"
https://www.state.gov/the-u-s-conventional-arms-transfer-policy/

Thats simply not going to happen and is an unrealistic demand.

It should be obvious to everyone by now that the collaborators dont actually care about Gaza.

SaikyoStyle posted...

It should be obvious to everyone by now that the collaborators dont actually care about Gaza.

It's a very transparent and flimsy excuse to justify not voting for Biden.

They're not fooling anyone.

Abstainers: you guys are advocating for genocide

nah take a look in the mirror and realize what kind of hell youll unleash on not just Palestine but America, and possibly the world.

Yazarogi posted...

Abstainers: you guys are advocating for genocide

nah take a look in the mirror and realize what kind of hell youll unleash on not just Palestine but America, and possibly the world.

They simply can't be taken seriously

So did Hornezz ever tell LGBTQ people what they should do if Biden doesn't alter course before November? Or did he just ignore it until he got warned?

MrMojoRising posted...

I don't think people know how they sound when they say stuff like this

I don't care what I sound like. That alone is why I am voting for Biden. I'm not voting for him. I'm voting for the millions who will suffer if Trump wins.

hockeybabe89 posted...

So did Hornezz ever tell LGBTQ people what they should do if Biden doesn't alter course before November? Or did he just ignore it until he got warned?

Oh man, I was wondering why the topic suddenly got so quiet. Also, no, he didn't. Just exclaimed we all supported genocide. Because of course.

Will_VIIII posted...

They simply can't be taken seriously

This.
Will_VIIII posted...

They're not fooling anyone.

Indeed.

I'll never understand how people can't square that not voting for Biden is a vote for Trump. It's such a simple premise. Like, I'm sorry you're cool damning all the rest of us to domestic stochastic terrorism so you can morally grandstand, but I just don't buy their care for Gaza.

Cemith posted...

I'll never understand how people can't square that not voting for Biden is a vote for Trump. It's such a simple premise. Like, I'm sorry you're cool damning all the rest of us to domestic stochastic terrorism so you can morally grandstand, but I just don't buy their care for Gaza.

I understand it, in the sense that people saw how a Trump presidency played out, how the Biden presidency cleaned it up, and still think he'd be a reasonable option for this election.

Abstainers clearly suffer from extreme emotional immaturity. They are very egotistical, reflexively defiant of reason, incapable of taking responsibility for their own actions and entirely devoid of any empathy for the future suffering of others.

hockeybabe89 posted...

I don't care what I sound like.

I thought you were trying to convince people to vote for Biden, my b

A willingness to let fascists have power because someone was mean to you on the internet is one of the single most pathetic things imaginable.

MrMojoRising posted...

I thought you were trying to convince people to vote for Biden, my b

We all know youre a lost cause.

I'm not saying it for myself, but I be there's still plenty of people who can still be convinced to vote for Biden. The way y'all are doing the convincing is definitely not it though, lol.

Whatever collaborator.

MrMojoRising posted...

I'm not saying it for myself, but I be there's still plenty of people who can still be convinced to vote for Biden. The way y'all are doing the convincing is definitely not it though, lol.

This site doesn't matter.

SaikyoStyle posted...

A willingness to let fascists have power because someone was mean to you on the internet is one of the single most pathetic things imaginable.

Reminds me of that one comic, where the guy thinks the other guy is being mean to him so he decides he has no choice but to be a Nazi now. You all know thx one.

MrMojoRising posted...

Your motivations sound really normal and healthy

Hard line morality is what we need right now (not the enlightened centrist grandstanding kind!). Any course of action that increases the likelihood of fascism, is unacceptable.

MrMojoRising posted...

I'm not saying it for myself, but I be there's still plenty of people who can still be convinced to vote for Biden. The way y'all are doing the convincing is definitely not it though, lol.

Again, Trump being president and project 2025 are things you actually support so in your case there's no discussion to be had.

I think im just done arguing with these people for now

I dont think any progress was made in this topic or like the last 3 that were basically the same. Half the people harping on Bidens israel stance dont even actually care about whats happening there, its just a political tool for them

DrizztLink posted...

This site doesn't matter.

I like it. Most of my friends are leftists at this point so they more-or-less agree with me or at least see where I'm coming from. So it's nice to talk to people with different viewpoints.

mistymermaid posted...

Hard line morality is what we need right now. Any course of action that increases the likelihood of fascism, is unacceptable.

It's funny going on CE after going to leftist political meetings because we all agreed as a chapter not to endorse Biden, in part not only due to his support for Israel's genocide, but his support for Israel's fascism in the West Bank and in the Gaza strip that has been going on for several years now. As an anti-fascist organization, we're against when the USA spreads and supports fascism over the globe as well.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

I think im just done arguing with these people for now

I dont think any progress was made in this topic or like the last 3 that were basically the same. Half the people harping on Bidens israel stance dont even actually care about whats happening there, its just a political tool for them

I'm right there with you. Impervious to reason and reality, these fellas. I have an overwhelming urge to stop dumb shit from being said, but it's clear it mostly falls on deaf ears.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

I think im just done arguing with these people for now

I dont think any progress was made in this topic or like the last 3 that were basically the same. Half the people harping on Bidens israel stance dont even actually care about whats happening there, its just a political tool for them

Yeah there's really not going to be any kind of reasonable discussion with non Biden voters this close to the election. They'd have some other flimsy excuse if the attack in October never happened.

MrMojoRising posted...

I thought you were trying to convince people to vote for Biden, my b

That's my convincing. If your choice is being thrown into a pit of lava or not being thrown into a pit of lava, I can't help you if you need to hear more about the benefits of staying out of the lava. Not being in lava means not burning to death. Everything else is superfluous details.

MrMojoRising posted...

It's funny going on CE after going to leftist political meetings because we all agreed as a chapter not to endorse Biden, in part not only due to his support for Israel's genocide, but his support for Israel's fascism in the West Bank and in the Gaza strip that has been going on for several years now. As an anti-fascist organization, we're against when the USA spreads and supports fascism over the globe as well.

Your leftist organization doesn't feel women and minorities deserve rights if the US government doesn't end their support of Israel? Maybe your leftist organization should personally come to my door and take away my rights.

No, we're organizing for the abortion amendment, because we can actually get people to come out to vote for that, not a genocider. And that'll actually protect women.

hockeybabe89 posted...

That's my convincing. If your choice is being thrown into a pit of lava or not being thrown into a pit of lava, I can't help you if you need to hear more about the benefits of staying out of the lava. Not being in lava means not burning to death. Everything else is superfluous details.

Well, you're probably not gonna convince many people that everyone's going to die if Trump gets elected. But just like you said, you don't care what you sound like, so that makes sense.

MrMojoRising posted...

Well, you're probably not gonna convince many people that everyone's going to die if Trump gets elected.

No, but she and people like her will.

You just don't give a shit.

MrMojoRising posted...

I like it. Most of my friends are leftists at this point so they more-or-less agree with me or at least see where I'm coming from. So it's nice to talk to people with different viewpoints.

It's funny going on CE after going to leftist political meetings because we all agreed as a chapter not to endorse Biden, in part not only due to his support for Israel's genocide, but his support for Israel's fascism in the West Bank and in the Gaza strip that has been going on for several years now. As an anti-fascist organization, we're against when the USA spreads and supports fascism over the globe as well.

Considering your views on Ukraine and Putin I highly doubt any Leftist group would be happy to recieve you.

MrMojoRising posted... No, we're organizing for the abortion amendment, because we can actually get people to come out to vote for that, not a genocider. And that'll actually protect women.

Huh? When did you suddenly start having a problem with a genocider?

Biden is right now pushing for a ceasefire, but I doubt all the but Israel people in here care. Theyve decided to indirectly support Trump and nothing willl stop them.

bobbycorwin posted...

Biden is right now pushing for a ceasefire, but I doubt all the but Israel people in here care. Theyve decided to indirectly support Trump and nothing willl stop them.

I question the "indirect" part this far out in the election cycle

bobbycorwin posted...

Biden is right now pushing for a ceasefire, but I doubt all the but Israel people in here care. Theyve decided to indirectly support Trump and nothing willl stop them.

I mean it fits the pattern.
f*** Biden for not doing A!
*Biden does A*
f*** Biden for not doing B!
*Biden does B
f*** Biden!

McMarbles posted...

I mean it fits the pattern.
f*** Biden for not doing A!
*Biden does A*
f*** Biden for not doing B!
*Biden does B
f*** Biden!

If, with his current history, Trump came out tomorrow and pledged to support minorities, would you immediately trust him right away?

No?

Now you understand why it's going to take longer for people to trust Biden. Doesn't mean it can't happen, and it definitely doesn't mean credit isn't due for that it looks like he's starting to change course, but it's going to take a sustained pattern, not one or two single acts, to convince most people.

The good news is the election is still 8 months or so away, which is plenty of time to establish that pattern.

DrizztLink posted...

No, but she and people like her will.

You just don't give a shit.

Maybe it needs to be pointed out Trump and the GOP embolden the far right to act out their hate crimes and willing to kill LGBTQ people they see as unfit.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/16/politics/hate-crimes-fbi-report/index.html
Hate crime reports in America surged in 2019 to the highest level since 2008, according to new data released on Monday by the FBI.
In its annual report on national hate crime statistics, the FBI found that murders classified as hate crimes more than doubled from 2018 to 2019, with 51 people killed last year in incidents motivated by hate.
The new figures released on Monday by the FBI indicate that hate crimes reported to the FBI by US law enforcement agencies around the country have mostly increased during the presidency of Donald Trump. Between 2016 and 2017, the FBI found a 17% spike in reported incidents. The number of hate crime incidents dipped slightly in 2018 before jumping again, according to the new statistics.
The latest report found that 7,314 criminal hate crime incidents were reported to the FBI in 2019, an increase of 194 incidents since 2018.
The current total included 7,103 hate crime incidents involving a single identified type of bias against a perpetrators victims, and 211 incidents involved more than one type of bias motivating the perpetrator.

Trumble posted...

If, with his current history, Trump came out tomorrow and pledged to support minorities, would you immediately trust him right away?

No?

Now you understand why it's going to take longer for people to trust Biden. Doesn't mean it can't happen, and it definitely doesn't mean credit isn't due for that it looks like he's starting to change course, but it's going to take a sustained pattern, not one or two single acts, to convince most people.

The good news is the election is still 8 months or so away, which is plenty of time to establish that pattern.

Resign from your job yet?

Will_VIIII posted...

Resign from your job yet?

Admitted that there is a genocide in Gaza yet?

Trumble posted...

Admitted that there is a genocide in Gaza yet?

The genocide you actively support with your tax dollars because you're not genuinely concerned with that.

MrMojoRising posted...

Well, you're probably not gonna convince many people that everyone's going to die if Trump gets elected. But just like you said, you don't care what you sound like, so that makes sense.

I don't want to "convince " "leftists" if they are like you and think "maybe we can work with the GOP winning. Better than voting for Democrats!"

Does no one at your organization understand damage mitigation or are you the only accelerationist?

Is Trump winning over Biden better or worse for the causes and people you claim to care about. And if you do happen to be aware that Trump is worse, then it's pretty wild to say you need convincing to vote against him.