Current Events > Saw image and thought of the 'do you think Israel will cost Biden the election?'

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Cemith posted...

You guys keep creating this argument and it's laughably fucking dumb. No one is accepting genocide,

Your words: "It isn't my fault that my only real choices are Gazan Genocide but I have rights or Gazan Genocide but I and millions of others don't have rights."

Also your words: "Genocide happens either way, chief."

When I asked whether genocide in Gaza and genocide in Gaza + US were the only choice, you answered yes:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-cur
rent-events/80738550/979739657

All the options you provide include genocide for Gazans. That sounds like acceptance.

everyone knows we need to pressure Biden.

So do it then, instead of arguing with everyone protesting a fucking genocide.

Not one single person has claimed Biden wouldn't change policy.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-cur
rent-events/80738550/979740039

SaikyoStyle posted...

How does Biden losing help Palestine?

Again, that's the wrong question. The right question is "How does arming and funding a genocide help Biden win?"

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

Again, that's the wrong question. The right question is "How does arming and funding a genocide help Biden win?"

If peoples suggestion is to not vote for Biden, then the correct question is 100% how does Biden losing help Palestine. An alternative question is how does trump winning help Palestine?

Rika_Furude posted...

If peoples suggestion is to not vote for Biden

Then it's up to Biden to fucking do something to earn their votes. Especially when the "something" is as simple and morally basic as "stop arming and funding a genocide". I don't agree with anyone who says this is a reason not to vote (let alone vote for Trump), but the fact is Biden is not entitled to anyone's vote, and if his active and material support for the Israeli regime's genocidal actions ends up losing him enough votes to hand America over to the fascists, that's on him.

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

Then it's up to Biden to fucking do something to earn their votes. Especially when the "something" is as simple and morally basic as "stop arming and funding a genocide". I don't agree with anyone who says this is a reason not to vote (let alone vote for Trump), but the fact is Biden is not entitled to anyone's vote, and if his active and material support for the Israeli regime's genocidal actions ends up losing him enough votes to hand America over to the fascists, that's on him.

blah blah blah

if YOU contribute to a trump victory, that is on YOU

MAGA brainworms are strong in this one.

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

Then it's up to Biden to fucking do something to earn their votes. Especially when the "something" is as simple and morally basic as "stop arming and funding a genocide". I don't agree with anyone who says this is a reason not to vote (let alone vote for Trump), but the fact is Biden is not entitled to anyone's vote, and if his active and material support for the Israeli regime's genocidal actions ends up losing him enough votes to hand America over to the fascists, that's on him.

"I think Biden is committing genocide, but that shouldn't make anyone not vote for him, but if they don't vote for him, it's Biden's fault for committing genocide"

"I'm gonna go on and on about Biden doing a genocide even though it's not that simple because I want to pretend I'm taking a stand against something even though his opponent is definitely going to do a few genocides including one in this country if he can manage it"

If Biden had someone like McCain as his opponent it's one thing but Trump should be scaring you regardless of your political affiliation; he has loyalty to nothing and nobody and literally said he wanted to try being a dictator for a while.

Hornezz posted...

I have, numerous times. For months. I'll help you again: TRUMP WILL BE WORSE. Including on Gaza. On every other topic too.

Cool. Then the only viable candidate not named Trump should win by default. Why would convincing be needed? If we know Trump is worse, then that is why we vote. Who the other person is and what they are doing is irrelevant. It's all about preventing Trump and nothing else.

hockeybabe89 posted...

Then the only viable candidate not named Trump should win by default.

That's not how the world works. Just remember 2016.

hockeybabe89 posted...

Then the only viable candidate not named Trump should win by default. Why would convincing be needed?

If you want Biden to win, you should want him to convince as many people as possible to vote for him.

There's no such thing as winning by default. If you really believe an election can be won without campaigning and appealing to voters, I don't know what to tell you. It's not gonna end well.

And at the same time: if you're so absolutely sure that Biden can win without having to convince voters (he won't), why be bothered about abstaining voters in the first place? He'll win by default right? (he won't - this is a bad idea)

Quezovercoatl posted...

"I'm gonna go on and on about Biden doing a genocide even though it's not that simple"

If you're trying to downplay genocide and genocide-enabling, you've probably gone wrong somewhere in your argument

Hornezz posted...

If you want Biden to win, you should want him to convince as many people as possible to vote for him.

There's no such thing as winning by default. If you really believe an election can be won without campaigning and appealing to voters, I don't know what to tell you. It's not gonna end well.

And at the same time: if you're so absolutely sure that Biden can win without having to convince voters (he won't), why be bothered about abstaining voters in the first place? He'll win by default right? (he won't - this is a bad idea)

I'm not campaigning for Biden. I'm telling you why I'm voting against Trump.

I don't think highly of Biden. I don't like Biden. I don't want Biden. I am only voting for him because my other option is the GOP. He's the name on the ballot that isn't Trump. That convinced me

I'm not sure he can beat Trump and that is fucking ridiculous that pure fear and self-preservation isn't enough for people to vote against the GOP on principle.

IceCreamOnStero posted...

If you're trying to downplay genocide and genocide-enabling, you've probably gone wrong somewhere in your argument

You found someone on the ballot that isn't gonna be complicit yet?

So from what I'm gathering from this topic, it's a-ok for lgbtq people to die, women to have their rights stripped away, minorities to be oppressed, and Muslim Americans to die, just as long as the Dems are taught a lesson.

Wild how enablers will do to cover anything, even genocide.

Rika_Furude posted...

if YOU contribute to a trump victory

I'm not. Don't lie.

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

I'm not. Don't lie.

youve already been told how abstaining from voting helps republicans more than it does democrats. Stop lying about how youre just an innocent centrist who doesnt vote

I despise it but In regards to Gaza I dont think anythings going to change regardless of who wins.

Im not sure what our governments full plains in the region are but whatever they are both parties seem to be in agreement that its worth whats happening now.

nocturnal_traveler posted...

So from what I'm gathering from this topic, it's a-ok for lgbtq people to die, women to have their rights stripped away, minorities to be oppressed, and Muslim Americans to die, just as long as the Dems are taught a lesson.

AND everything will be Bidens fault!

nocturnal_traveler posted...

So from what I'm gathering from this topic, it's a-ok for lgbtq people to die, women to have their rights stripped away, minorities to be oppressed, and Muslim Americans to die, just as long as the Dems are taught a lesson.

Indeed they are very brave in sacrificing my friends for their moral victory.

nocturnal_traveler posted...

So from what I'm gathering from this topic, it's a-ok for lgbtq people to die, women to have their rights stripped away, minorities to be oppressed, and Muslim Americans to die, just as long as the Dems are taught a lesson.

Yeah, it's crazy the sort of high stakes people are willing to gamble when they argue that politicians don't need to win votes and that they would just win by default.

Not me though. I think Biden and his campaign team should absolutely do their utmost best to appeal to voters and win that election.

But I'm guessing that's not what you meant.

Hornezz posted...

Yeah, it's crazy the sort of high stakes people are willing to gamble when they argue that politicians don't need to win votes and that they would just win by default.

Not me though. I think Biden and his campaign team should absolutely do their utmost best to appeal to voters and win that election.

But I'm guessing that's not what you meant.

And if he doesn't than my friends are simply a sacrifice you are more than happy to make.

havean776 posted...

And if he doesn't than my friends are simply a sacrifice you are more than happy to make.

How did people survive the first Trump administration?

havean776 posted...

And if he doesn't than my friends are simply a sacrifice you are more than happy to make.

The people arguing that Biden can safely cruise to a win without having to listen to his voters are making that gamble. Not me.

Telling a politician to listen to his voters isn't some crazy demand; it's how basic democracy works. Yet so many of you will resist that idea at all costs, and would gladly pull out all kinds of baseless accusations just because you believe your favorite politician is exempt from criticism.

ButteryMales posted...

How did people survive the first Trump administration?

Over a million did not.

ButteryMales posted...

How did people survive the first Trump administration?

havent there already been more maternal deaths since roe vs wade was overturned?

Hornezz posted...

The people arguing that Biden can safely cruise to a win without having to listen to his voters are making that gamble. Not me.

Demanding a politician to listen to his voters isn't some crazy demand; it's how basic democracy works. Yet so many of you will resist that idea at all costs, and would gladly pull out all kinds of baseless accusations just because you believe your favorite politician is exempt from criticism.

That's nice and if he does not im sure you will teach him a lesson by helping the man who will do worse than him and oppress my friends on top of that win. So brave of you.

The endless Trumpworse loop continues

- Biden doing bad things is okay, because Trump is worse
- Biden going against the wishes of his own base is okay, because Trump is worse
- Biden causing his voters to stay at home is okay, because Trump is worse
- Biden handing Trump the election win is... uh, well, Trump's worse

Trumpworse is the reason Biden is the default vote for humans with morals. I dont see you pressuring Trump to be better or saying Trump should earn votes

Hornezz posted...

The endless Trumpworse loop continues

- Biden doing bad things is okay, because Trump is worse
- Biden going against the wishes of his own base is okay, because Trump is worse
- Biden causing his voters to stay at home is okay, because Trump is worse
- Biden handing Trump the election win is... uh, well, Trump's worse

Correct Trump is worse. We have seen what he was like. We know he wants vengence and so petty he will hurt America to get it You should vote for the man who is better than him. The fact that you can threaten not to simply means you are in a privliged postion where that is not a threat to you. Congrats im not in that postion.

Rika_Furude posted...

Trumpworse is the reason Biden is the default vote for humans with morals. I dont see you pressuring Trump to be better

I'm pressuring Biden to win the election. Surely that's preferable to any sort of 'better Trump' that you're imagining.

Hornezz posted...

Yeah, it's crazy the sort of high stakes people are willing to gamble when they argue that politicians don't need to win votes and that they would just win by default.

Not me though. I think Biden and his campaign team should absolutely do their utmost best to appeal to voters and win that election.

But I'm guessing that's not what you meant.

I'm not wrong, though. America is stuck with a two party system. If you didn't want Biden on the ballot, enough of you should've voted in the primaries. Obviously most of you didn't. Y'all are free to try again next election cycle. That is, unless Trump wins, in which case you might not get the chance.

Hornezz posted...

I'm pressuring Biden to win the election. Surely that's preferable to any sort of 'better Trump' that you're imagining.

Thats nice. Will you refuse to vote for him if he doesn't do what you want?

Hornezz posted...

I'm pressuring Biden to win the election. Surely that's preferable to any sort of 'better Trump' that you're imagining.

you peoples suggestion has -always- been dont vote Biden because of his stance on Israel, along with stereotypical talking points like its bidens fault if I dont vote for him and trump wins. Every bad thing trump does is bidens fault

the fact of the matter is, if you support a trump win by not voting, you are accountable

nocturnal_traveler posted...

I'm not wrong, though. America is stuck with a two party system. If you didn't want Biden on the ballot, enough of you should've voted in the primaries.

At no point have I advocated for a third candidate. Not even the first time I've had to say this ITT:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80738550/979740351

There's also the option of Biden being pressured into changing his point. Which is what I've been hammering for dozens of posts.

None of you are actually reading anything, just reacting reflexively. See Biden criticism => must type "Trump worse"

Rika_Furude posted...

if you support a trump win by not voting

Telling a candidate to listen to a large amount of his own voter base is not supporting his opponent.

Bizarre mental gymnastics are needed to reach that conclusion.

Hornezz posted...

Telling a candidate to listen to a large amount of his own voter base is not supporting his opponent.

Bizarre mental gymnastics are needed to reach that conclusion.

YOU not voting for anyone means YOU are supporting a Republican win. We arent talking about anyone else. Stop strawmanning.

Rika_Furude posted...

YOU not voting for anyone means

Stop strawmanning.

Can you actually quote the post where I said I definitely would not be voting for anyone?

We don't want to be strawmanning right?

My stance has always been that threatening to withhold your vote should be an option on the table to pressure a politician into changing. That is not the same as 'not voting for anyone'. Biden has more than half a year to convince voters to come back.

KajeI posted...

You found someone on the ballot that isn't gonna be complicit yet?

Have you found a relevant response to my statement?

IceCreamOnStero posted...

Have you found a relevant response to my statement?

Yes actually.

KajeI posted...

You found someone on the ballot that isn't gonna be complicit yet?

Rika_Furude posted...

you peoples suggestion has -always- been dont vote Biden because of his stance on Israel, along with stereotypical talking points like its bidens fault if I dont vote for him and trump wins. Every bad thing trump does is bidens fault

the fact of the matter is, if you support a trump win by not voting, you are accountable

What if people don't care if you think they're accountable. I'm personally used to the dumb Bernie supporters are why Hillary lost bullshit.

KajeI posted...

Yes actually.

How is that at all relevant to someone downplaying a genocide?

Hornezz posted...

At no point have I advocated for a third candidate. Not even the first time I've had to say this ITT:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80738550/979740351

There's also the option of Biden being pressured into changing his point. Which is what I've been hammering for dozens of posts.

None of you are actually reading anything, just reacting reflexively. See Biden criticism => must type "Trump worse"

Suppose Biden doesn't change his position on Israel. What then? Punish him by not voting? FYI, outside of internet polls and some activists, most Americans don't give a shit about the Israel/Palestinian conflict. The Republicans harming them and inflation are all they care about.

ButteryMales posted...

What if people don't care if you think they're accountable. I'm personally used to the dumb Bernie supporters are why Hillary lost bullshit.

You people obviously care since theres been multiple meltdowns across multiple threads about how Biden needs to earn votes and its not enough to simply not be a racist sexist bigot who hates the LGBT community and wants to remove human rights

Hornezz posted...

Can you actually quote the post where I said I definitely would not be voting for anyone?

We don't want to be strawmanning right?

My stance has always been that threatening to withhold your vote should be an option on the table to pressure a politician into changing. That is not the same as 'not voting for anyone'. Biden has more than half a year to convince voters to come back.

Your entire stance about how Biden needs to earn your vote implies you wont vote for him if he doesnt

nocturnal_traveler posted...

Suppose Biden doesn't change his position on Israel. What then?

Complicity in genocide is never acceptable. No exceptions. There's no justification of supporting it whatsoever.

nocturnal_traveler posted...

FYI, outside of internet polls and some activists, most Americans don't give a shit about the Israel/Palestinian conflict.

Ok, so you don't actually have to argue against people protesting a genocide but you still choose to?

Hornezz posted...

Ok, so you don't actually have to argue against people protesting a genocide but you still choose to?

Almost makes you wonder what their real motivation is.

Rika_Furude posted...

You people obviously care since theres been multiple meltdowns across multiple threads about how Biden needs to earn votes and its not enough to simply not be a racist sexist bigot who hates the LGBT community and wants to remove human rights

People are tired of the circular arguments not that you're going to hold them accountable. Whatever that means.

Biden needs to earn votes just like Hillary did when she lost to Trump. You can keep thinking he doesn't and it won't change that Biden does.

Hornezz posted...

Complicity in genocide is never acceptable. No exceptions. There's no justification of supporting it whatsoever.

You didn't answer the question. What then? Punish him by not voting?

Ok, so you don't actually have to argue against people protesting a genocide but you still choose to?

Welcome to the Internet.