Current Events > It feels like we're on a collision course for a Trump win

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Sonic_Boom posted...

People are making mroe money now than BEFORE the pandemic... the wealth gap is closing...

I'm making the exact same amount of money as before with my cost of living increasing and my college payments about to crash in like the moon from Majora's Mask, so forgive me if I don't feel like the economy is particularly swell for me right now. Not foolish enough to think that orange man will make it all better though.

The economy is doing well if you're rich.

How can you not love these record profits baby?!

Btw we're letting you go.

Ooooooranges posted...

This is correct, but the people on this board don't ever care. They think legitimate discourse is trolling. Anything less than fealty to Biden means you're a right winger.

Are you still an anti-vaxxer?

CountCorvinus posted...

See Biden trying to appeal to Nikki's base after she dropped out?

Yeah, we're fucked.

Genocide Joe would rather court the fanbase of an anti-lgbtq forced birther that claims America was never a racist country and slavery didn't cause the civil war instead of trying to get back the young progressives that won him the election in 2020.

And I have you tagged as a trumper, so your concern trolling has been noted.

Sonic_Boom posted...

This is the reason people never trust Democrats on the ECONOMY though!!! We aren't allowed to BOAST about our accomplishments because we haven't fixed EVERYTHING, someone somewhere still has it bad, so it's "INSENSATIVE." THEN voters start to believe Republicans are better on economy than DEMOCRATS are EVEN THOUGH THE LAST THREE REPUBLICAN PRESDENTS ALL HAD RECESSIONS, and people VOTE for Republicans, and the people who need our help get even more hurt!!!

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/b7454c5a.jpg

THINGS ARE REALLY GOOD UNDER BIDEN, ESPECIALLY FOR THE BOTTOM 25% OF WORKERS! People are making mroe money now than BEFORE the pandemic... the wealth gap is closing... equality is increasing... people are employed... THINGS ARE GOOD, AND IT'S BECAUSE OF DEMOCRATIC POLICIES THAT THEY'RE GOOD, AND WE NEED TO SAY IT!!!! Otherwise we cant convince ppl to vote for us

This is closer to what we need to be doing IMO, but we have to be careful not to invalidate the struggles people are experiencing. We don't want to be saying that things are perfect now and that those who say otherwise are delusional or ignorant. We want to highlight the things he's done right and say there's more of that in the future to get to a better place.

https://twitter.com/ninaturner/status/1765449427584520299

Whoah. Nina Turner almost said the exact same thing as me.

Edit: fuck, she posted it before me. Now people are going to think I copied her.

No offense but wtf does Nina Turner know about anything

Doom_Art posted...

No offense but wtf does Nina Turner know about anything

More than you.

To think that the fate of democracy depends on enough Americans possessing critical thinking skills and object permanence.
...It truly is Joever, isn't it?

Perennial candidate Nina Turner

you know, i supported Bernie Sanders in 2020, i still think he's a pretty great guy with a ton of integrity. but the more time goes on, the more i doubt and wonder how great a President Bernie Sanders administration would have been. and it's nothing to do with Bernie -- it's because he had so many toxic people like Nina Fucking Turner who woulda ridden his coattails into power.

CountCorvinus posted...

Whoah. Nina Turner almost said the exact same thing as me.

Consider that a warning sign.

DrizztLink posted...

Consider that a warning sign.

What do you have against Nina Turner?

mybbqrules posted...

Are you still an anti-vaxxer?

I know nothing about that poster, but its always hilarious when people are like wow leftists will question if youre a right winger just because you believe in [ insert right wing opinion]

CountCorvinus posted...

More than you.

lol whose alt are you

it's impressive you lasted to 300+ karma

If Trump was to win, thats RIP USA. Trash tier country confirmed.

People focusing on genocide Joe or whatever is such an obvious gimmick anymore when the other guy said he wants to be a dictator, uses Hitler speeches, and said he'll finish the job in Gaza. He would make it so much worse. People haven't heard of damage minimization or something.

Rexdragon125 posted...

People focusing on genocide Joe or whatever is such an obvious gimmick anymore when the other guy said he wants to be a dictator, uses Hitler speeches, and said he'll finish the job in Gaza. He would make it so much worse. People haven't heard of damage minimization or something.

No, we're just supposed to ignore all of that because republicans are bad already so it totally doesn't matter.

It wasn't immediately obvious to me that this topic is actually "i'm taking part in a campaign to reduce enthusiasm for the democratic candidate and i'm feeling troubled to learn this might help trump win".

March 2 morning consult poll: biden 44%, donald 43%
also national attention has shifted to political and racial extremism which favors a biden presidency

Heineken14 posted...

No, we're just supposed to ignore all of that because republicans are bad already so it totally doesn't matter.

Point me to where I said this in this topic or elsewhere. You won't be able to because I never have. What you're supposed to do is tell people why Biden is good, not just why Trump is bad. And you're supposed to urge Biden to do popular and right things. That's what I want you to do, not ignore Republican fascism. I've said it outright, so I better not see you strawmanning again.

CheshireSimper posted...

It wasn't immediately obvious to me that this topic is actually "i'm taking part in a campaign to reduce enthusiasm for the democratic candidate and i'm feeling troubled to learn this might help trump win".

This type of attitude is one of the things that scares me the most. You're trying to enforce conformity and silence by asserting that the people talking about his flaws in time to potentially address them are themselves causing him to lose. Like we all have a duty to go whistling to our graves. Well that's wrong and antidemocratic.

Furthermore, regardless of issues I have with Biden, I wouldn't be making this topic if he had the same numbers he had in 2020. He doesn't though. I wanted Bernie to win in 2020 and yet I didn't make this type of topic. I wanted Bernie to win in 2016 and yet when Hillary failed to pull away as I fully expected, I ignored my instincts and suffered a terrible shock, as many others did. We don't want to repeat that mistake so we're sounding the alarm early. To accuse me of being part of a "campaign" to cause Biden to lose because of that is disgusting.

I work for the Biden administration as a civil rights attorney. If he loses, I'll be forced to either implement fascism at work or likely be fired and permanently excluded from federal employment. I'm a black leftist immigrant. A Trump win would be catastrophic to everyone I love. I don't think the way to prevent that is to stick my head in the sand and hope for the best. I think it's to push for a fix while it's still possible to do so.

legendary_zell posted...

Point me to where I said this in this topic or elsewhere.

Sorry, I know it's your topic but that post wasn't directed toward you.

It's not about conformity or silence. It's about having the slightest bit of political acumen. The US is not going to shift its policy on Israel. There is no chance this type of political action results in any meaningful policy change, because domestic policy is so low on the priority lists with this type of international clusterfuck. So really all you are doing is souring a voter base on the only possible adversary to Trump. And this is obvious to pretty much everyone except leftist activists, which is why every bad actor has hopped on the train.

Some of you guys need to log off and take a break from the doomscrolling. Were 8 months out.

Also, the sooner you realize CE is entirely irrelevant to any populace that will have any impact on this election at all the better. Literally nothing said here matters. It doesn't represent any group, any sentiment; any collective of any hoter base

Toonstrack posted...

Some of you guys need to log off and take a break from the doomscrolling. Were 8 months out.

Also, the sooner you realize CE is entirely irrelevant to any populace that will have any impact on this election at all the better. Literally nothing said here matters. It doesn't represent any group, any sentiment; any collective of any hoter base

This, though it doesnt hurt to have discussions as long as people dont get too passionate in their convictions that theyre sharing (to the point that the mods have to hand out punishments, that is) since thats the best way to reach a consensus and potentially change minds on a given issue, just sayin.

Toonstrack posted...

Literally nothing said here matters. It doesn't represent any group, any sentiment; any collective of any hoter base

This is probably true.

But I can almost guarantee you come November we'll have certain users trying to convince us that our vote "doesn't matter and both sides suck anyway", which is awfully strange effort to put in a niche site.

Umbreon posted...

This is probably true.

But I can almost guarantee you come November we'll have certain users trying to convince us that our vote "doesn't matter and both sides suck anyway", which is awfully strange effort to put in a niche site.

There are already posters here doing that.

Umbreon posted...

This is probably true.

But I can almost guarantee you come November we'll have certain users trying to convince us that our vote "doesn't matter and both sides suck anyway", which is awfully strange effort to put in a niche site.

Have you not seen the gamefaqs chud Reddit. A lot of people on this site are not stable

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

There are already posters here doing that.

Oh I know, just saying it will ramp up.

Axiom posted...

Have you not seen the gamefaqs chud Reddit. A lot of people on this site are not stable

I'd rather shoot myself than willing head over to that place for any length of time, but their unwellness is known.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

There are already posters here doing that.

Where?

CountCorvinus posted...

Where?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80712068

Check out post #23 as well as every other post by that user in that topic.

If someone is telling you not to vote for any reason, be wary of their intentions.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80712068

Check out post #23 as well as every other post by that user in that topic.

If someone is telling you not to vote for any reason, be wary of their intentions.

Hint: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80712357/979176869

Umbreon posted...

Hint: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80712357/979176869

oh yeah Im aware of that user now. His posts in my topic about not voting were the first time id encountered them, and then he followed up with shit topics like that

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80712068

Check out post #23 as well as every other post by that user in that topic.

If someone is telling you not to vote for any reason, be wary of their intentions.

The user that said he was right wing and made a post titled "Coming out as a Trump supporter"?

I thought you meant those of us who are critical of Biden and are voting uncommitted / Marianne Williamson in the primaries.

CountCorvinus posted...

The user that said he was right wing and made a post titled "Coming out as a Trump supporter"?

I thought you meant those of us who are critical of Biden and are voting uncommitted / Marianne Williamson in the primaries.

No, all i said was that there are already people here telling others to not vote.

i 100% support joe biden reaching out to nikki haley voters, even if it requires him to moderate

legendary_zell posted...

This is closer to what we need to be doing IMO, but we have to be careful not to invalidate the struggles people are experiencing. We don't want to be saying that things are perfect now and that those who say otherwise are delusional or ignorant. We want to highlight the things he's done right and say there's more of that in the future to get to a better place.

The simple fact of the matter is that there are exactly two sets of people who are "benefitted" by Republicans being in power:

1) Rich assholes who want another tax cut only for themselves, and

2) Bigots who want their bigotry enacted (or at least aggressively pandered to).

For absolutely everyone else, on every conceivable issue, Democrats are better than Republicans (while still having lots of room for improvement because "better than Republicans" is such a low fucking bar).

This is the reality that Republicans want everyone to ignore, and which the mainstream media will never report on.

So I think it's best to not engage with the GOP/mainstream media horse race crap at all. After all, US general elections aren't even politics any more. They are self-defense vs. Republican barbarians.

voters base their choices on trust, values, connection, authenticity, and identity. we have to meet them on that level.

legendary_zell posted...

I don't think the way to prevent that is to stick my head in the sand and hope for the best. I think it's to push for a fix while it's still possible to do so.

I think asking for someone other than Biden to be the D candidate this cycle is an unproductive pipe dream.

That said, there are things that Biden can do to help his prospects (executive orders, bully pulpit etc.) and his campaign needs to take that very seriously.

But the media is hostile and many people have the attention span of fruit flies, so the timing isn't so easy to decide, except that early enough to satisfy political junkies is almost certainly too early.

Mecha_Sonic posted...

i 100% support joe biden reaching out to nikki haley voters, even if it requires him to moderate

No. IMO Biden's message struck the right note i.e., "we'll disagree on many things, but if you don't think elections should be replaced by mobs in the street, we can agree on that."

But all of Haley's policy other positions are awful, and no compromise is desirable with that shit.

EPR-radar posted...

No. IMO Biden's message struck the right note i.e., "we'll disagree on many things, but if you don't think elections should be replaced by mobs in the street, we can agree on that."

But all of Haley's policy other positions are awful, and no compromise is desirable with that shit.

i 100% agree nikki haley's policy positions are bad. but there are more nikki haley voters, they have money to donate, their policies don't poll at -50, and they don't constantly shift the goalposts on why they want to justify staying mad at biden.

if i were confident the left-wing base had biden's back, i wouldn't suggest this. but i'm not.

realistically, biden needs to make tangible concessions to haley voters to win their support. if there are concessions he can make that don't break our coalition, he needs to make them. i would rather pass a temporary tax cut for the rich than allow true, brown-shirt fascism to take root in america, which will cause millions of people to suffer and die, and open up a very dark chapter. sorry not sorry. convince me the "Genocide Joe" wing is a reliable ally against trump and i'll consider the alternative.

CheshireSimper posted...

It's not about conformity or silence. It's about having the slightest bit of political acumen. The US is not going to shift its policy on Israel. There is no chance this type of political action results in any meaningful policy change, because domestic policy is so low on the priority lists with this type of international clusterfuck. So really all you are doing is souring a voter base on the only possible adversary to Trump. And this is obvious to pretty much everyone except leftist activists, which is why every bad actor has hopped on the train.

I refuse to concede that the US will always and forever do evil on this issue. To concede that is to concede that we don't have a democracy. We are not the ones souring the voter base, the politicians are souring the voter base. The solution to feeling the government is doing something horribly wrong is not to pipe down so other people don't start to think that as well, it's to speak up and do what you can to influence them. And though it's not enough, there's been some shift as polls have come out showing support for a ceasefire, the administration is finally using that language after declining to do so for months.

Right wingers always disingenuously attack perceived weaknesses. They pretend to be working class heroes now as the Democratic Party has become increasingly business friendly and technocratic, does that mean people shouldn't push the party to become a genuine worker party?

Whether it's conscious or not, you're advocating silence in the face of atrocities, abandoning any hope of democracy, and being governed by the worst impulses of the right.

Mecha_Sonic posted...

voters base their choices on trust, values, connection, authenticity, and identity. we have to meet them on that level.

Exactly.

Also, IMO, it is arrogant and self-centered to expect support from someone when you do nothing to help their community. So many moderates and leftists fall into the trap of preaching about "solidarity"....until it comes time to take a stand and defend the rights of their minority/foreign allies.

Pro-Palestinians aren't saying that they want Biden to lose, at least not most of them; they're just aware that the Democrats are seemingly desperate for their votes and they're using what collective power they have to strongarm them into a ceasefire. And if people actually stood on their principles, they would be there to back them up and we could all have what we want.

But instead, we just paint them as MAGA enablers because we want to feel more morally righteous than someone else. It's very frustrating.

Well the mass media will do anything for ratings. If it's another dumpster fire presidency then so be it.

So tc thinks that Trumps not even having a platform is going to sway voters because they think Biden doesnmt have an agenda?

k

divot1338 posted...

So tc thinks that Trumps not even having a platform is going to sway voters because they think Biden doesnmt have an agenda?

k

Unfortunately, right wingers attack people's lizard brains. All they need is to target people's prejudices, give them permission to be horrible bigots, spread and validate conspiracy theories, promise to preserve their social and economic privilege, and 45 percent of the voting population minimum will vote for them.

That is their platform. They don't care about platforms. They didn't have a platform last time and he got 74 million votes.

Let's just wait till after the primaries are locked in. I expect Biden to start seriously campaigning then. Also, look forward to tonight's State of the Union address.

EPR-radar posted...

But all of Haley's policy other positions are awful, and no compromise is desirable with that shit.

What policies is Joe Biden compromising on?

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Exactly.

Also, IMO, it is arrogant and self-centered to expect support from someone when you do nothing to help their community. So many moderates and leftists fall into the trap of preaching about "solidarity"....until it comes time to take a stand and defend the rights of their minority/foreign allies.

Pro-Palestinians aren't saying that they want Biden to lose, at least not most of them; they're just aware that the Democrats are seemingly desperate for their votes and they're using what collective power they have to strongarm them into a ceasefire. And if people actually stood on their principles, they would be there to back them up and we could all have what we want.

But instead, we just paint them as MAGA enablers because we want to feel more morally righteous than someone else. It's very frustrating.

I respect this well written post and the sentiments behind it. But I dont think most people paint those who criticize Bidens position or ask people to vote uncommitted are doing it to feel superior. I think they are-rightfully in my opinion-afraid that souring people on Biden in a close election will lead to a man who literally tried to overthrow the duly elected government and install himself in power being President again. Whether they want Biden to lose or not.

I disagree with President Biden on a lot of things. But I am not sure the electorate as a whole appreciates the gravity of what is at stake here. Electing a man like Trump to a second term-who has already tried to be an emperor, botched a health crisis, twice impeached 91 indictments and on and on is an actual catastrophe. Forget policy nuance-If we dont beat him at the ballot box this time, it could actually be the end of our government as we have known it all our lives.

The view that a politician needs to earn our votes through sound policy doesnt work as well when one side is a bad faith actor that just wants power while the world burns. I wish it were still the old formula-I was a political science major, and I have always loved it. But when your choice is Trump or the other guy, you choose the other guy and sort it out later. Because the consequences of a second MAGA presidency are that dire. And I am against anything that makes that presidency more likely, including harsh criticism of Biden over an issue he cant solve and that Trump would make a million times worse-along with creating chaos throughout the globe in other areas.

Politics should be different, but we let that ship sail when we let Newt Fox and Rush start building a propaganda fueled cult. Now we have to go with the lesser of two evils. It shouldnt be that way, but it absolutely is.

Did anyone post this yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wx_5Zr0Lzw
We're finished as a country if people like this are pretty saying yeah they'll vote for the known monster because Republican brainwashing and propaganda is fucking everywhere in this country it even works on non conservatives to an extent