Board 8 > It's now illegal to block people on GameFAQs. See ya later

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FFDragon posted...

My two cents is that i think the situation is dumb but zsig is completely in the right. Agree with leon, and dick move from emerald.

Genuinely baffling to think the right move is to give the thing to the guy multiple people in the thing have blocked.

I had forgotten what board drama was like, good topic

ZeroSignal posted...

It's not a weak move to give the keys to someone else.

lol

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Chris, I hope you realize I'm saying this without any intent of malice and with complete sympathy to your own personal situation.

But he is such a consistent liar about so much, and has made up so many things about what he's done and his life, so often, so consistently, that there's nothing that could be done to make be think any claim he made to you about a traumatic childhood wasn't something he just made up, and that you've fallen into that same category of people I was talking about in buying into his con.

That is an absolutely horrible assumption to make in general about people, but all things considered it's just too consistently his MO.

If you have actual in real life first hand encounters of Ulti's experience offline, looking into his eyes, this would be a different story, but otherwise.....no.

Do you think I'm being too harsh? I pissed him off one time and so he decided to spend a week going into topics pretending I was a pedophile to get back at me. I cannot be harsh enough.

First off, I saw nothing here to even begin to take offense to or as malice. Just so you know.

Ah, you misunderstand my intent a bit and I understand why. Even Ulti thinks I am defending him here, but my brain is merely attempting to properly categorize him. For me, he has said a lot of very cruel things to me. Talked about my medication taking publicly among other cruel things. He has said cruel things about people I care about that I think are vile. What he did to you was not acceptable and you have every right to think of him what you like.

My brain is a very weird place though, and seeing him thought as this great con man... it just itches me, I guess? It's an itch. Like... no. Ulti is not quite that clever or quite that cunning enough to pull that off. Not when I have been able to get him to behave himself in public consistently with things I know are triggers for him. Ulti I don't think has said so much as a cross word with me in 13+ years because we had a heart to heart and I told him personally I wouldn't put up with any of his shit, but also I understood. Since then many people can attest that I have condemned Ulti when he does wrong, even wanting to ban him from mafia for a year over comments. I don't think I am on Ulti's side here even if it may appear like it. I am on the side of reality, I guess? Nothng I say excuses a single thing ulti has done, but I have always been a proponent of know your enemy. Ulti is just a broken, traumatized man who has done horrendous shit. The shit can still be horrendous. You can still hate him or dislike him or do whatever it is you like. But thinking Ulti is cunning enough or mentally stable enough to be this evil doer when for me personally observing him for a long time his good behavior has trended up in a linear fashion as he got more medicine and more therapy signals to me my world view is likely more correct based on evidence.

Like I said, this is probably a point no one cares about. But I have learned recently this is my autistic urge for correct information to be said so you know here we are. You're good with me btw, I don't take offense easily and I have never known you to be a malice person.

This topic makes me self conscious about still being here more than probably anything posted here has in all my time being here.

We are all in our 30s and 40s at this point why do enough people care about this kinda drama to have this explode to 100 posts overnight. It's not even a dumb argument between 2 people someone like me can be blamed for. It's a bunch of people actually caring about this kinda drama.

Maybe I'm just getting old. I dunno.

(Chris is spot on about Ulti btw-- only posts in here worth reading)

how do I get someone to take over Ladder

foot ball

john madden

Also, I am taking over the nfl topic from Ulti as I have talked to him and he recognizes how bad it looks for him to have it.

This is all insanely stupid and like going back in time over a decade.

Lopen posted...

This topic makes me self conscious about still being here more than probably anything posted here has in all my time being here.

We are all in our 30s and 40s at this point why do enough people care about this kinda drama to have this explode to 100 posts overnight. It's not even a dumb argument between 2 people someone like me can be blamed for. It's a bunch of people actually caring about this kinda drama.

Maybe I'm just getting old. I dunno.

I mean, we're all regularly checking back to a pretty dead board that has very little going on in the day-to-day

if you're not playing a game that there's a topic for or like engaged with the NFL there's nothing else on the front page for a good few hours so it's not like this topic has any competition

This is off topic but I have to say Sir Chris is a great guy.

In fact when I met my husband I thought he might have actually been Sir Chris (my husband's name is Chris and he likes playing Paladin's in D and D. )

Alanna82 posted...

This is off topic but I have to say Sir Chris is a great guy.

In fact when I met my husband I thought he might have actually been Sir Chris (my husband's name is Chris and he likes playing Paladin's in D and D. )

lmao, I am trying very hard to live up to 'great guy' status. Doing better lately at least. Good to see you.

Gotta agree with the "there is nothing wrong with blocking people and not letting them participate in contests you run crowd"

Like Ulti aside there are people on my ignore list that were openly racist or hateful and I have no idea if they're still around but if they are I absolutely wouldn't want them participating in anything I run

It's an awful precedent to set. Should people who cheat in a contest be allowed to keep participating? One time Preston pmed me out of the blue to make fun of Columbine victims, should I be required to include him in contests?

Johnbobb posted...

Gotta agree with the "there is nothing wrong with blocking people and not letting them participate in contests you run crowd"

Like Ulti aside there are people on my ignore list that were openly racist or hateful and I have no idea if they're still around but if they are I absolutely wouldn't want them participating in anything I run

It's an awful precedent to set. Should people who cheat in a contest be allowed to keep participating? One time Preston pmed me out of the blue to make fun of Columbine victims, should I be required to include him in contests?

Yeah just to clarify that mod was very out of pocket and that was a very stupid take by said mod, so I am in that camp as well in terms of it being moddable

Tldr my issue with this is less about Ulti and more about being emerald being modded into needing to take someone off his block list because, as previously mentioned, block lists exist for a reason

Also hey Chris what up, good to see you

Shattered posted...

I'm not sure there's no problem.

If Emerald wants to participate he would now have to make the same accommodation to participate as he would have had to make if he were running it.

There's also several other people who now have to make the same accommodation because Ulti is the host.

So instead of it being an Ulti problem which stemmed from the consequences of his own actions. It is now an Emerald plus numerous other people problem. It's arguably a bigger problem now than it was previously.

I'm all for Ulti healing and changing as a person and for what it's worth, to me at least this seems to be the best attempt he has made at it. But part of that involves accepting there are consequences to your prior actions. I think that Emerald should have just allowed someone to submit on Ulti's behalf but he was certainly under no obligation to. And when that didn't happen, Ulti should have accepted the consequences of his actions and graciously stepped away. At the very least he should have recognized that him taking over the hosting was definitely not the right course of action.

Well, I am running it now so problem solved at least. Same for others, because I agree with you that's not fair at all.

@Shattered

Johnbobb posted...

Also hey Chris what up, good to see you

Lots of good things recently. New medications, feeling much better! Been able to write a lot recently which is a major sign of progress. Hope you've been well.

crestfooted posted...

john madden

aeiou

Ok see ya

Ok so things happened treat this like a mafia game and what's the summary

SirChris posted...

Lots of good things recently. New medications, feeling much better! Been able to write a lot recently which is a major sign of progress. Hope you've been well.

Glad to hear it! I've been doing alright, thanks man

Lmao I got modded

Crescent-Moon posted...

Ok so things happened treat this like a mafia game and what's the summary

Zsig is mafia doc I think?

I think emerald technically can't get modded if he doesn't mention Ulti. Possible he does but we won't know.

Ultimately the problem isn't that people are into a game but that claiming victories over board users (look how awesome I am I blocked/ignored them!!) is in their head space. Grow up. No one should need to use the block function-- if you're at peace ignore should be more than enough.

Anyway those are my two cents on this. We're not high schoolers anymore. No one on this board should mean that much to you in your leisure time here that you need to mention you ignored or blocked them, nor should you feel a need to block anyone. Break the cycle of negativity-- the more you feel need to explicitly mention people you don't like it just makes you feel bad. The person you're mentioning is unaware and does not care a damn about you.

Chris I greatly appreciate your candor, and even if we're not going to see eye to eye on the subject in question I'm glad you clarified some things.

tazzyboyishere posted...

Lmao I got modded

Ditto.

Apparently it's okay to tell the mods to eat shit though, so the mod that removed my post can eat shit

Crescent-Moon posted...

Ok so things happened treat this like a mafia game and what's the summary

Ulti was vigged. Flipped Mafia Conman
Revived 20 years later by ???
Ulti claiming Town Reformed Conman
Zsig claims Town Doctor, protects Ulti
Emerald, town Day vig, is furious and thinks Ulti is mafia and Zsig is Mafia Doctor
Host warns Emerald to play nice with Ulti, causing Town Mayor Steiner to ragequit
Neutral Survivor SirChris tries to explain everything, it goes a bit side ways.

Back before I began blocking a variety of accounts from a few people, I don't recall Ulti caring about who blocked him when he made CSAD-topics. It was my belief that was one of his ways to get people to unblock him, by leveraging a popular thread away from accounts that blocked him so he could have their attention again. Similar thing with all the accounts he uses -- he has historically wanted our attention while getting away with his bad behavior.

As somebody that used to defend his right to speak up and have debates in the Politics Containment topics (which felt like extensions of the previous patience often given to him in other years-long periods of wack behavior toward people he claims he cares about, beginning with the early days/years of lol x-stats)...he was acting in bad faith for over a decade. That's exhausting, and people are allowed to block and ban him. Ulti had three good years, and ever since then it has been hard to trust him or see when the benefit of the doubt succeeded with him.

People shouldn't be asking Emerald to unblock him, do work for him, and entertain him. Does Ulti have a history of doing the same that I don't know about -- being considerate to the people he's blocking or people blocking him that I'm not aware of?

By general experience with Ulti, Emerald sounds plenty justified. ZeroSig's compromise was fair, but I still don't blame Emerald.

This has now gone from Emerald to ZeroSig handing it off to Ulti though, right? I get that it's better for Ulti to run something fun than nobody run something fun, as a principle, and I get giving it to a long-time player. It still strikes me as a bad idea, but it's not my game.

Some of ya'll probably know more about Ulti's behaviors in recent years. Has he really changed much in the past, say, five years?

HaRRicH posted...

Back before I began blocking a variety of accounts from a few people, I don't recall Ulti caring about who blocked him when he made CSAD-topics. It was my belief that was one of his ways to get people to unblock him, by leveraging a popular thread away from accounts that blocked him so he could have their attention again. Similar thing with all the accounts he uses -- he has historically wanted our attention while getting away with his bad behavior.

As somebody that used to defend his right to speak up and have debates in the Politics Containment topics (which felt like extensions of the previous patience often given to him in other years-long periods of wack behavior toward people he claims he cares about, beginning with the early days/years of lol x-stats)...he was acting in bad faith for over a decade. That's exhausting, and people are allowed to block and ban him. Ulti had three good years, and ever since then it has been hard to trust him or see when the benefit of the doubt succeeded with him.

People shouldn't be asking Emerald to unblock him, do work for him, and entertain him. Does Ulti have a history of doing the same that I don't know about -- being considerate to the people he's blocking or people blocking him that I'm not aware of?

By general experience with Ulti, Emerald sounds plenty justified. ZeroSig's compromise was fair, but I still don't blame Emerald.

This has now gone from Emerald to ZeroSig handing it off to Ulti though, right? I get that it's better for Ulti to run something fun than nobody run something fun, as a principle, and I get giving it to a long-time player. It still strikes me as a bad idea, but it's not my game.

Some of ya'll probably know more about Ulti's behaviors in recent years. Has he really changed much in the past, say, five years?

My take, and it isn't a fact. But pretty much all of Ulti's behavior can be summed up as "super traumatized, then exposed to an environment where suddenly he had social standing and knowing not what to do with it, sought to keep it and any signs of it being threatened made him extremely vicious and manipulative as he coveted the feeling of being loved which was sorely lacking in his youth."

Sums it up for me, Ulti' getting better at not needing to be that person all the time anymore, and he still stumbles and has a ways to go but that's how I view Ulti. Nothing you said is incorrect though about people owing him a damn thing, which I hope Ulti himself will understand one day.

I'm gunna need to see votals.

Johnbobb posted...

Zsig is mafia doc I think?

Your guess is as good as mine, I've admittedly never played mafia.

Ulti broke the news to me first about Emerald giving the league over and asked if I was cool with him taking over. If I had seen Chris's DM first showing interest, I'd have talked to both of them at the same time. Believe it or not, I don't pay attention to 95% of drama on here, hence my decision to originally go with Ulti. I've had no reason to block him, but obviously a good number of you think differently, I get it.

Chris will run the league just as well as myself, l3fty, and Emerald did. To those who don't like me now as a result of the last 24 hours, I harbor no ill will towards you, but also won't ask for forgiveness for my actions.

As a mental health professional, you can see someone's trauma to help understand why they may act a certain way, but it can't excuse bad behavior. Unless that person is willing to work through said trauma and grow, then there's no reason to allow them to continue spreading their negativity to you. Ulti has done little to nothing to grow in two decades, and no amount of excuses we could give him on that front are going to help him. It's honestly just enabling him to continue being a *REDACTED* at this point.

tazzyboyishere posted...

As a mental health professional, you can see someone's trauma to help understand why they may act a certain way, but it can't excuse bad behavior. Unless that person is willing to work through said trauma and grow, then there's no reason to allow them to continue spreading their negativity to you. Ulti has done little to nothing to grow in two decades, and no amount of excuses we could give him on that front are going to help him. It's honestly just enabling him to continue being a *REDACTED* at this point.

All of this is true, and I hope none of my messages have come off as excusing the behavior, if so please let me clarify that was not my intent. Merely I think it is best for everyone to understand where it comes from but that's just me.

Except, Ulti has done a lot of work to get better, most of which a casual observer has no reason to know (or a reason to care about, even)

SirChris posted...

Ulti was vigged. Flipped Mafia Conman
Revived 20 years later by ???
Ulti claiming Town Reformed Conman
Zsig claims Town Doctor, protects Ulti
Emerald, town Day vig, is furious and thinks Ulti is mafia and Zsig is Mafia Doctor
Host warns Emerald to play nice with Ulti, causing Town Mayor Steiner to ragequit
Neutral Survivor SirChris tries to explain everything, it goes a bit side ways.

##Vote: Chris

An actually detailed summary like that I didn't expect but Indy claim is Indy claim~

Basically though given recent posts it seems like a classic situation of "bad person in a mod staff causing issues".

Fairly common thing really. My oldest internet hangout has had two phases of really bad mods messing things up.

Lopen posted...

I think emerald technically can't get modded if he doesn't mention Ulti. Possible he does but we won't know.

Ultimately the problem isn't that people are into a game but that claiming victories over board users (look how awesome I am I blocked/ignored them!!) is in their head space. Grow up. No one should need to use the block function-- if you're at peace ignore should be more than enough.

Anyway those are my two cents on this. We're not high schoolers anymore. No one on this board should mean that much to you in your leisure time here that you need to mention you ignored or blocked them, nor should you feel a need to block anyone. Break the cycle of negativity-- the more you feel need to explicitly mention people you don't like it just makes you feel bad. The person you're mentioning is unaware and does not care a damn about you.

In theory blocks should not be needed because moderators should be actively preventing harassment, bigotry, fascism, derailments, and so on. Unfortunately they are not.

I generally try to not have anybody blocked, but I absolutely had to block BlackTurtle at a certain point (hes banned now so Im sure I can say it) because he was constantly posting a bunch of abusive stuff in the Giant Bomb topics towards the staff (mostly aimed at women how straaaaange) and derailing the topics. Ultimately he did have to be excluded from those topics for the good of everybody as well as myself. This meant excluding him also from the Rate the VG Story topics I was doing at the time, but it was a fair trade and I didnt get modded. Of course he then got himself banned shortly after. In other words although there shouldnt be there are very good reasons to block someone even it means excluding them from a contest, even from somebody who tries not to block people generally.

SirChris posted...

He's not nearly so sinister and put together. He's just broken.

I remember making this conclusion within like a year of being here.

This topic made me feel young again.

Do most of you believe that this guy should have gotten modded for this? How about topics that are made to say a user has blocked them? Have never seen one of those modded

To be at least a little bit fair, there's quite a few people who have been around here with some obvious trauma, and that's a list I'm pretty obviously on myself. Functionally insane for 4 years, a doormat with no ability to assert herself for another 3. Shedding my enablers was very important to my growth.

I don't think he's quite as bad as he was when I first got here though. Used to harass me practically every time I posted.

UT1999 posted...

Do most of you believe that this guy should have gotten modded for this? How about topics that are made to say a user has blocked them? Have never seen one of those modded

I feel like if it's not Ulti it doesn't get modded which is a whole different can of worms.

Yeah this is the only time Ive ever heard of this happening.

Also, a question for the B8 historians: when exactly did Ulti get that way? People are mentioning two decades, though I arrived in early 2006 and to my memory it was still everybody fting him as king of the board for a bit. It seems around 2009-2010 to my memory that he started lashing out, derailing topics, extremely problematic views, literally obsessed, and so on. Is that right? Was there are turning point and if so when was it? Or was it just that I was 15 and didnt notice at first?

LightningStrikes posted...

Yeah this is the only time Ive ever heard of this happening.

Also, a question for the B8 historians: when exactly did Ulti get that way? People are mentioning two decades, though I arrived in early 2006 and to my memory it was still everybody fting him as king of the board for a bit. It seems around 2009-2010 to my memory that he started lashing out, derailing topics, extremely problematic views, literally obsessed, and so on. Is that right? Was there are turning point and if so when was it? Or was it just that I was 15 and didnt notice at first?

He lashed out from the start. I argued with him as early as 2003 and he brought up my usage of medications I told him in confidence publicly. Ulti was always like that it was just targeted until the targeted began to out number the non targeted. It was always unsustainable.

He stopped saying those things about me around the time I started to hit him where it hurt when he did so which made me understand him better admittedly. But he kept doing it to others for a very long time and even to this day carries some entitlement issues.

Ulti used to behave this way towards and about, like, people who enjoyed Shadow of the Colossus and people who picked Samus over Mario in 2005, and a bunch of people got annoyed but it was ultimately harmless game opinions so most people were just "oh that Ulti"

Then it became about "alpha males," attacking Heroic Palmer, and eventually full-blown Trumpism, so it stopped being funny

XIII_Rocks posted...

Ulti used to behave this way towards and about, like, people who enjoyed Shadow of the Colossus and people who picked Samus over Mario in 2005, and a bunch of people got annoyed but it was ultimately harmless game opinions so most people were just "oh that Ulti"

Then it became about "alpha males," attacking Heroic Palmer, and eventually full-blown Trumpism, so it stopped being funny

Now he likes the thought of universal healthcare. Ulti being drawn to charismatic movements and being led down bad paths makes complete sense to me tbh.

I remember Realo once said even though I wasn't a prototypical alpha that I was very alpha. I think that was his way of trying to reconcile his very flawed ideals with me as a person lol. It was cute in a terrible sort of way.

That's not even how alphas work in wolves bro.

As someone who arrived in 2005 Ulti was always this way, the thing I watched people change is how people reacted to it.

but if you look back at Old B8, things could be uh pretty garbage there in the old days. we like to reminisce on fr0q drawings but then you see the one for MYC and jesus fuck

actually page 2 of the current dillos topic I mentioned looking back on the legendary Kuge To Catch a Predatory topic and hooooly shit you got a lot of abhorrently misogynistic & pedophillic takes in there - although worth pointing out on #2, most the board was still teenagers so it more-so helps you relate to today's era of Tate boys

bringing up that topic though since we are talking about ulti it's worth noting he was a voice of reason when on-topic there (although historically if you remember anything about Ulti that shouldn't be a surprise on the topic of child predators). although even there he does the thing Chris mentions of side-track attacking Kuge for alcoholism & gambling.

LightningStrikes posted...

Also, a question for the B8 historians: when exactly did Ulti get that way?

My experience says September 13th, 2005:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/2122-tournament-quarterfinal-mario-vs-samus-aran

Ulti picked correctly here and deserved credit for the pick back in 2005. That said, the way he antagonized the stats-topic and the rest of the board with constant attacks over this and refusing to do anything short of meme'ifying "lol x-stats" for years afterward was flagrant. This was my first clue regarding the rest of his later downfall. It was one of the worst examples of a sore winner I ever had experience with, even up to today.

Little more context here: he won an entire contest the year before this, and in 2004 he was generous enough to even give a game or two of his earned prizes away. He gave my brother one anyway, and that was a kindness that was above and beyond. In 2005 though, he was non-stop completely rude about this one match without particular reason. Like...he wasn't singled out or harassed leading up to it or anything, just a pre-contest underdog that won big in a high-profile match where stats fell short to the logic of "It's Mario." It was just for Ulti's own bragging rights, and it was incessant for years.

A lot of his other problems came later. That started them for me.

My favorite part about Mario vs Samus is I'm the guy who actually got it right and argued hard for why it was right in the stats section of the board (hint it's not "it's freaking Mario") and have the proof immortalized

http://www.oraclechallenge.com/archives.php?contest=SC2k5&type=match&match=57

I think Ulti's analysis crew had Mario with like 53% or something.

But yeah no one associates me with that match because I wasn't a dick about being right lol

Grimlyn posted...

As someone who arrived in 2005 Ulti was always this way, the thing I watched people change is how people reacted to it.

but if you look back at Old B8, things could be uh pretty garbage there in the old days. we like to reminisce on fr0q drawings but then you see the one for MYC and jesus fuck

actually page 2 of the current dillos topic I mentioned looking back on the legendary Kuge To Catch a Predatory topic and hooooly shit you got a lot of abhorrently misogynistic & pedophillic takes in there - although worth pointing out on #2, most the board was still teenagers so it more-so helps you relate to today's era of Tate boys

bringing up that topic though since we are talking about ulti it's worth noting he was a voice of reason when on-topic there (although historically if you remember anything about Ulti that shouldn't be a surprise on the topic of child predators). although even there he does the thing Chris mentions of side-track attacking Kuge for alcoholism & gambling.

Yeah agreed on most if not all of this. Ulti was always more or less like this, but in the beginning there was some weird Ulti worship going on. I was a lot more timid back then, so it kinda put me off posting much back then (not that I post a ton now).

The alpha male stuff was a real low point for the board.

On an unrelated note, I don't get how people constantly fell for Kuge's stories back then when they were all obviously made up. I remember people going into the youtube comments of the To Catch a Predator video trying to explain it was Kuge and it was...strange.