Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 406: At the Stroke of Mitchnight

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Thorn posted...

CNN's panel of GOP voters had Vivek winning fwiw

I wonder if he will even gain 1% in the polls from this "win"

I didnt watch the debate but I know Viveks position on Taiwan is China should hold off invading until the US reaches semiconductor independence and then go nuts

What a guy

Vivek did a lot of Trump-like things with his behavior, he drew the most attention from yesterday's opponents as they each spoke, he got the most support in a focus group (CNN's?) right after the debate for who won, he's getting the most attention from pundits since the debate, he probably had the lowest name recognition going into the debate, and Donald's getting his mugshot taken today.

Donald's still going to be very far ahead of everybody this month, but Vivek is about to jump in the polls to my prediction of second place nationally after this...and if Donald goes to jail or dies from old age or something like that, then Vivek is in *the space* to best absorb Donald's voters.

In that scenario, if Vivek managed to win the primary, a thirty-nine year old would be against someone who is almost eighty-two years old. That worked well for Obama when he was forty-seven years old against a seventy-two year old John McCain, and this would be eighteen more years of difference.

Vivek had a very-not-good-kind-of-insane debate overall in my book, but he's not seeking my vote. He's about to rise, and I think he has a path forward to cause a lot of hell this election.

I thought Vivek was already in 2nd place nationally

I legitimately can't see him going anywhere once Republicans learn he is a vegetarian.

Like, this may sound absurd but I think him being a vegetarian is a bigger cultural divide than any religious angle.

Jakyl25 posted...

I thought Vivek was already in 2nd place nationally

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-r/2024/national/

DeSantis leads Ramaswamy here 14.8% to 10.3%.

On being a vegetarian: I can see Vivek blowing it off in a debate for self-promotion like "You think eating meat is helping Chris Christie? No. Look at my polling -- I don't need to eat meat when I eat expired soy boys like you alive on television."

And then the merch rolls out:

Vivek Ramaswamy
Eat You Alive
2024

Being a vegetarian would hurt with his voters, yeah...but insults, shows of strength, and fun merchandise would cover a lot of that up via memes and sound bites.

I feel like racism is going to kill any chances Vivek has of winning. not his racism unfortunately. But racism nonetheless.

Yeah honestly I don't know why anyone thinks he has a chance to get a Republican nom since he's not white.

The only time Rs are ever going to legitimately back a minority is if it's to win against another minority.

Why would anyone want to watch a debate to see which Hitler Jr is #1? Not a single one of them are worth anything good for Americans

My thought process there is a plurality works in a large field and Vivek is about to grow the most in name recognition. The one (very short) period Donald wasn't leading the RNC in the 2016 campaign was when he was behind to Ben Carson.

If Donald is alive and eligible while voters still support Donald, there is no chance for Vivek. In absence of Donald though, racists will likely support someone supporting their kind of racism in the same way racists did for Hershel Walker and the same way Christians did for Donald for their kind of Christianity. It just depends if Vivek convinces Republicans he is one of theirs or not, and I suspect he is doing that albeit being a divisive fool along the way too (like saying climate change is a hoax).

I won't keep on -- just don't want people to sleep on his chances either. He's about to become a bigger figure.

HaRRicH posted...

racists will likely support someone supporting their kind of racism in the same way racists did for Hershel Walker

This. Being a minority isn't a dealbreaker for Republicans as long as the minority is also racist.

Im honestly kinda curious for people who arent voting Trump, but are voting Republican what they get out of watching a debate like this. Theyre basically all the same guy running. Climate change isnt real. Pro Russia. Will enrich themselves & the wealthy at the expense of everyone else. Will try to remove as many rights from non-whites and LGBTQ as they can. Trump did nothing wrong.

Like what exactly makes any of them stand out from one another to R voters?

Xeybozn posted...

This. Being a minority isn't a dealbreaker for Republicans as long as the minority is also racist.

No, but his name is Vivek, which will be a dealbreaker. It 'sounds foreign' which will immediately turn off a lot of the Republican party. If his name were Victor Singh, they could probably get past it.

Don't forget that Hershel Walker was running against another black guy! I do not think Walker would have been the one they chose to run if Warnock were a white guy.

Fair, though some of that point gets dulled if Vivek was to be nominated against an eighty-two year old with a VP named Kamala. Obama also dulled this kind of point before by getting Biden as his VP -- Vivek has that move available as well if he ever gets that far.

https://twitter.com/mattgertz/status/1694735109327401362?s=21

What a guy

LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/mattgertz/status/1694735109327401362?s=21

What a guy

Every time I see his name I think it's Matt Gaetz.

Sounds like thats a common occurrence for him!

LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/mattgertz/status/1694735109327401362?s=21

What a guy

lol he's just trump again. cool

also,

"Vivek Ramaswamy stands at 5 feet 7 inches" this mfer ain't winning shit

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Don't forget that Hershel Walker was running against another black guy! I do not think Walker would have been the one they chose to run if Warnock were a white guy.

You guys are talking about senators here. You're talking about something totally different. People just see senators as a tool to pass their agenda in congress, and it's fine for someone like that to be a person of color. But a president? No. They see the presidency as a sort of god-king of America. It's completely different.

Of course, not every conservative thinks like this - for a decent portion of them these kind of racial grievances don't really matter anymore. But it matters to enough of them for there to be too much resistance for it to work. Again, for a senator? Doesn't matter. They can be one of the 'slave classes', as they see it. But for a president? For too many of them that has to be someone white who can rule over the country rightfully.

i think even moreso than race or dietary choices, being hindu is going to be a major hurdle for ramaswamy wrt the american conservative base

FoolFantastic posted...

I legitimately can't see him going anywhere once Republicans learn he is a vegetarian.

idk I can think of one vegetarian that a lot of Republicans really like

Trump's "official" height and weight, according to the Fulton County Jail: 6'3", 215 pounds.

lmao

They didn't weigh this fragile-ego motherfucker at all

Isn't that noticeably less than his previous claimed weight during his presidency? Weird thing to lie about. Surprising he didn't try to claim a taller height too.

Xeybozn posted...

Isn't that noticeably less than his previous reported weight during his presidency?

Yes, he was ~240+ as President, according to medical statements issued by his physician. He probably lied about that even back then, it's just hilarious to see him so true to form and lie so fucking absurdly this time around.

The Trump-weight oddsmakers (this may have actually been a thing) in shambles

YoBlazer posted...

Trump's "official" height and weight, according to the Fulton County Jail: 6'3", 215 pounds.

lmao

They didn't weigh this fragile-ego motherfucker at all

Yeah, I saw a reporter yesterday mention that Fulton County lets you self-report height and weight but that is a bold claim by him.

Re: his weight as president. He claimed 239 which was coincidentally the exact number that kept his BMI below what would be considered obese.

I don't see the big deal. Personally, I'm 6'8", weigh 175 pounds of pure masculine muscle, and have a chiseled six-pack. If you say I'm lying you're a snowflake.

Unironically it isn't a big deal, but as someone of basically the same height (maybe actually the same or even taller if you look at comparison photos of standing next to a 6'1" Obama) the idea that he's trying to claim he's lighter than me is just max lol.

mugshot just dropped per news agencies

https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1694872244017594392

lmao he's trying to look cool

it literally just looks like a promo shot for The Apprentice

Apparently this shook him enough that he has finally posted on Twitter again - with the mugshot and a fundraising link shill

Fox News is currently discussing how Trump's mug shot is a symbol of defiance against an unfair system. "It shows that even if you're rich, they can still jail you" - actual quote which was meant as a negative.

I don't know if it makes him shook, he was always going to run on this.

If there's one thing Trump's good at, it's turning something negative into entertainment/PR.

Oh, not the grifting off it, he was always going to do that. I mean returning to Twitter for the first time since his 1/6 ban (and Musk's unbanning)

He's been grifting constantly since then too but never went to Twitter for it.

Today was the scheduled hearing before Judge Chutkan in the 1/6 trial.

tl;dr: Chutkan has set the trial date for March 4, 2024
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1696183365311832385

The Special Counsel's office was asking for a trial date in January 2024 while Trump's legal team was asking for the completely non-serious trial date of April 2026. She also swatted down the ridiculous notion that Trump's personal and professional schedule had to be accomodated - with Chutkin say, "Setting a trial date does not depend and should not depend on a defendant's personal and professional obligations. Mr. Trump, like any defendant will have to make the trial date work, regardless of his schedule." She also expressed serious skepticism that the case was "complex" by noting it's one defendant and four charges and that while she's aware the defendant being a former President makes it historic that's not the same thing as legally complex and questioned Trump's side over what they felt made it complex since they kept asserting that as a reason why the trial had to be in 2026. Trump's lawyer allegedly kept trying to talk over the judge too which sure is a bold legal strategy.

Fun Fact: March 5 is Super Tuesday lol

Honestly his trial being the day before super Tueaday probably helps him in the primaries.

All the primary goers and conservative news will be talking about is how unfair it is to Trump. How he is a victim of injustice. Heck you probably have multiple R candidates saying it the day before the primary.

no one who wasn't already voting for trump cares tbqh

Yeah, but him winning the primaries was never in doubt. He's leading the field like 60-10-10-a bunch of other people splitting that last 20.

https://twitter.com/politics_polls/status/1696188081370513651?s=46&t=v9nzYLLBIiNYrqldFs9NWQ

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

https://twitter.com/politics_polls/status/1696188081370513651?s=46&t=v9nzYLLBIiNYrqldFs9NWQ

In that same message chain:

https://twitter.com/jayala_78/status/1696189229926154360

You gotta stop doomposting every chance you get.

There's no downside to doomposting, but the downside to overconfidence is 2016 part 2.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

There's no downside to doomposting, but the downside to overconfidence is 2016 part 2.

The downside of doomposting is that you encourage nihilism. If everything is just going to be terrible forever, what's the point of trying to make anything better? Why vote when the fascists are just going to win anyway?

at this point in the last election Harris was hailed for committing the political murder of Joseph Biden

lol

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

There's no downside to doomposting, but the downside to overconfidence is 2016 part 2.

I feel like whoever the Democrat candidate is will just soak up anti-votes the way Biden did in 2020. At least unless they're a white woman.

In a de-facto two party FPTP system (in other words in a FPTP system), most votes are anti-votes.

Anyway yeah there is definitely a downside to doomposting. Not only is it bad for your mental health it can encourage apathy and in terms of elections the evidence is that you are more likely to vote if you think you can win. Obviously indicating that its hopeless doesnt help that. With that said misplaced confidence is no good either.

Grimlyn posted...

at this point in the last election Harris was hailed for committing the political murder of Joseph Biden

lol

I forgot about that lmao

Life comes at you fast

Its pretty obvious trump supporters arent leaving and a decent chunk of people dont want Biden but dont want trump either and probably would eventually vote Biden

Trump 46 -44 is 10% of people saying they want neither

That 10% isnt breaking towards Trump