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UnholyMudcrab
03/02/23 1:41:14 PM
#351:


It warms my heart to see this wonderful topic reach 350 posts. It's so rare to see discussion this consistently friendly and high-quality.

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Doom_Art
03/02/23 1:41:46 PM
#352:


hockeybub89 posted...
Think of all the resources that will have to be diverted from other features!
Quests are about to become even buggier now with all the resources this will gobble up


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hockeybub89
03/02/23 1:42:50 PM
#353:


Doom_Art posted...
Quests are about to become even buggier now with all the resources this will gobble up
Why are we even playing From games when we're such entitled babies?

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hockeybub89
03/02/23 1:51:41 PM
#354:


Nosferatu_Zodd posted...
Or, maybe people could understand there is a niche market for people who want to eat burgers without buns. And this place brings joys to those people. A reasonable person who doesn't want to eat their burger without a bun will still have thousands of other options of burger joints. Maybe instead of shouting at this one place to cater to them, and make this unique burger joint like every other burger joint, they could just go to one of the thousands of other burger joints and let the bun hating burger eaters enjoy this unique burger joint that creates burgers the way they want to, not the way the masses tell them to.
So if Miyazaki develops a new game that is released in the West, but not localized you'll defend it, right? "99.9% of games in the West are samey bullshit. Let us have our niche that brings us joy. This game isn't for people too lazy and casual to learn how to read Japanese!"

Or maybe it just won't have sound, or a stable framerate, or the ability to turn off motion blur. These aren't flaws or oversights. They're art! But only when From does it! They're not some weak ass Westerners that bend to the will of the players!


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Gwynevere
03/02/23 1:58:54 PM
#355:


People that want a pause button should boycott From Soft, since the last boycott was a resounding success

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Foppe
03/02/23 2:07:48 PM
#356:


Shamino posted...
I need the pause button when I need to make some soup.
A solution that works like a pause button has been posted multiple times, so you can go make some soup.

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neccis
03/02/23 2:44:03 PM
#357:


Can we pause this thread for a second, I need to make a sandwich.

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Shamino
03/02/23 2:46:56 PM
#358:


neccis posted...
Can we pause this thread for a second, I need to make a sandwich.

Ok, but while you try to make the sandwich soldiers and dogs will attack you.

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hockeybub89
03/02/23 2:47:51 PM
#359:


Foppe posted...
A solution that works like a pause button has been posted multiple times, so you can go make some soup.
You know what else works like a pause button? The ability to hit a button and pause, not a weird glitch that requires you to find an answer online.

Maybe the next Souls gone shouldn't have an obvious options menu either. Tired of all the handholding entitled gamers wanting logical menu design. 99.9% of games have that casual nonsense.

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neccis
03/02/23 2:49:19 PM
#360:


Shamino posted...
Ok, but while you try to make the sandwich soldiers and dogs will attack you.
But why? I want my sandwich and I want to be completely safe eating it. I'm entitled to it.
This is bullshit.


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Tappor
03/02/23 2:49:30 PM
#361:


neccis posted...
Can we pause this thread for a second, I need to make a sandwich.
It was paused for 36 minutes before you bumped it

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DezDroppedFreak
03/02/23 3:04:59 PM
#362:


hockeybub89 posted...
You know what else works like a pause button? The ability to hit a button and pause, not a weird glitch that requires you to find an answer online.

Maybe the next Souls gone shouldn't have an obvious options menu either. Tired of all the handholding entitled gamers wanting logical menu design. 99.9% of games have that casual nonsense.
Hitting start and selecting quit game is not a glitch that is literally how it is intended to work

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creativerealms
03/02/23 3:07:08 PM
#363:


For me if I need a break while playing a from software game I just let the enemy kill me. The only problem is will I make it back to the spot I died before I die again?

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Kloe_Rinz
03/02/23 3:40:00 PM
#364:


Nosferatu_Zodd posted...
Or, maybe people could understand there is a niche market for people who want to eat burgers without buns. And this place brings joys to those people. A reasonable person who doesn't want to eat their burger without a bun will still have thousands of other options of burger joints. Maybe instead of shouting at this one place to cater to them, and make this unique burger joint like every other burger joint, they could just go to one of the thousands of other burger joints and let the bun hating burger eaters enjoy this unique burger joint that creates burgers the way they want to, not the way the masses tell them to.
Theres no niche market for people who want to play games without a pause function
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GrandConjuraton
03/02/23 4:14:45 PM
#365:


Kloe_Rinz posted...
Theres no niche market for people who want to play games without a pause function
And the people who happily play Soul games are... what, then?

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Kloe_Rinz
03/02/23 4:27:38 PM
#366:


GrandConjuraton posted...
And the people who happily play Soul games are... what, then?
happy to play the game despite its flaws, not because of them
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GrandConjuraton
03/02/23 4:29:12 PM
#367:


Kloe_Rinz posted...
happy to play the game despite its flaws, not because of them
Thanks for speaking for us. Couldn't have done it without you.

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WolfFangHowell
03/02/23 4:30:02 PM
#368:


Kloe_Rinz posted...
Theres no niche market for people who want to play games without a pause function

Theres absolutely a market for immersive games without time-outs. You need friends.
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Makeveli_lives
03/02/23 4:31:24 PM
#369:


Not reading this whole topic but demons souls Remake has a photo mode button so that counts?

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pauIie
03/02/23 4:32:32 PM
#370:


Makeveli_lives posted...
Not reading this whole topic but demons souls Remake has a photo mode button so that counts?
people could say it's not developed by from software and not everyone agrees the remake is better

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Punished_Blinx
03/02/23 4:33:15 PM
#371:


Good lord now the lack of pause is because 'immersion'

There isn't a single person who would complain if their next game had pause. Sekiro is already an example that exists! It's a stupid thing they do because of the online! From Software are great but there's a lot of QOL stuff they don't figure out or overlook and it's not all 'part of the plan'

This post remains relevant;
Punished_Blinx posted...
If Pokemon fans make the same defenses for Game Freak in this topic they'd be called a lot worse than anything in this topic.

"They have done things this way for so long why would you expect anything different?"
"If you don't like it why don't you play some other games?!"

Like the reason people make these criticisms is because they otherwise like the games. It's a normal way to talk about games. For some reason the conversation around From has shifted to the point where people seem to take it personal for some bizarre reason.


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GrandConjuraton
03/02/23 4:35:40 PM
#372:


I wouldn't raise a stink about if they added one, but if it were personally up to me? There would never be one.

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Kloe_Rinz
03/02/23 4:59:04 PM
#373:


GrandConjuraton posted...
Thanks for speaking for us. Couldn't have done it without you.
So you bought Elden ring specifically because it cant be paused? That specific reason?
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Doom_Art
03/02/23 5:00:10 PM
#374:


"Elden Ring looks super awesome. Ew wtf a pause button? No thanks."

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GrandConjuraton
03/02/23 5:00:48 PM
#375:


Kloe_Rinz posted...
So you bought Elden ring specifically because it cant be paused? That specific reason?
I prefer it not having a pause button, but that's not the reason, no.

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Kloe_Rinz
03/02/23 5:03:06 PM
#376:


GrandConjuraton posted...
I prefer it not having a pause button, but that's not the reason, no.
You said there was a market for people who want to play games because they dont have a pause function
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GrandConjuraton
03/02/23 5:04:26 PM
#377:


Kloe_Rinz posted...
You said there was a market for people who want to play games because they dont have a pause function


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Punished_Blinx
03/02/23 5:11:40 PM
#378:


My hot take to make the experience more accessible while not compromising on any design;

  • Pause button when you are solo. Disabled if coop, invaded or opened yourself up for either of those scenarios
  • God mode cheat code
  • Tourist mode cheat code (all enemies removed from the world)
  • Riot mode cheat code (all enemies fight each other as well as you)
  • Stable 60fps framerate
Why have we lost our way with cheat codes. Now that is old school fun.

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Kloe_Rinz
03/02/23 5:16:36 PM
#379:


GrandConjuraton posted...
Yes thats what you look like making those claims
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Nosferatu_Zodd
03/02/23 6:11:06 PM
#380:


hockeybub89 posted...
So if Miyazaki develops a new game that is released in the West, but not localized you'll defend it, right? "99.9% of games in the West are samey bullshit. Let us have our niche that brings us joy. This game isn't for people too lazy and casual to learn how to read Japanese!"

Or maybe it just won't have sound, or a stable framerate, or the ability to turn off motion blur. These aren't flaws or oversights. They're art! But only when From does it! They're not some weak ass Westerners that bend to the will of the players!

To respond to this barely comprehensible, unhinged nonsense:

Yes. I would love for Miyazaki to go back to not listening to the small minded masses and make a truly unique vision again. Much like my boy Kojima continues to do, unshackled from Konami.

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Nosferatu_Zodd
03/02/23 6:14:31 PM
#381:


And to address the pause button and immersion:

If Resident Evil 2 didn't have a pause button, I wouldn't be able to finish it. I would be overwhelming by the horror of being chased by Mr X or what have you if I couldn't pause the game to recollect myself. But being able to pause whenever and regularly breaks the immersion and let's me gather my composure.

That also holds true for a boss fight. There have been plenty of games I have paused boss fights to compose myself. Break the immersion and recalibrate.

Fuck a pause button in a From game. If you have to take a piss, do it before you play, or simply walk to an area with no enemies and chill out.

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VirtuousWrath
03/02/23 7:00:06 PM
#382:


This immersion reasoning is pretty lulzy.

Guys, it's just bad coding. It's okay. From doesn't care and frankly, I don't care that much either. From still makes the best games.

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Doom_Art
03/02/23 7:09:55 PM
#383:


Nosferatu_Zodd posted...
To respond to this barely comprehensible, unhinged nonsense:

Yes. I would love for Miyazaki to go back to not listening to the small minded masses and make a truly unique vision again. Much like my boy Kojima continues to do, unshackled from Konami.
Kojima can code a pause function into his games tho

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Punished_Blinx
03/02/23 7:14:57 PM
#384:


VirtuousWrath posted...
This immersion reasoning is pretty lulzy.

Guys, it's just bad coding. It's okay. From doesn't care and frankly, I don't care that much either. From still makes the best games.

I think that's what cracks me up about it most of all. The weird fanaticism like there's some deep reasoning with the lack of pause.

Even though the games have plenty of bad coding and quirks like the lack of pause that people also just have to deal with.

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Akagami_Shanks
03/02/23 8:18:39 PM
#385:


if it was bad coding it wouldn't be in sekiro lol

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Punished_Blinx
03/02/23 8:25:55 PM
#386:


Akagami_Shanks posted...
if it was bad coding it wouldn't be in sekiro lol

Sekiro doesn't have online functionality

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Akagami_Shanks
03/02/23 8:59:17 PM
#387:


Punished_Blinx posted...
Sekiro doesn't have online functionality
and there are built in offline modes in the souls games. But I guess they just forgor skull emoje

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Punished_Blinx
03/02/23 9:41:44 PM
#388:


Akagami_Shanks posted...
and there are built in offline modes in the souls games. But I guess they just forgor skull emoje

I don't think they forgot but I bet the reasoning is something silly because of the online. Like they think if a game has online features it can't be paused.

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Kloe_Rinz
03/02/23 9:43:42 PM
#389:


Lots of online games have been pausable for years. Its a solved problem. From games would be the easiest shit to pause
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Fluttershy
03/02/23 9:45:40 PM
#390:


it's almost like it's intended and not a flaw or a coding error :o

again if we could be adults about this we'd have less posts about me mad about design decision and more actually trying to figure it out

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Kloe_Rinz
03/02/23 9:46:24 PM
#391:


Fluttershy posted...
it's almost like it's intended and not a flaw or a coding error :o

again if we could be adults about this we'd have less posts about me mad about design decision and more actually trying to figure it out
Youve already been told that a poor design choice is still a flaw
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Fluttershy
03/02/23 9:47:52 PM
#392:


and you've already been told that you not liking it doesn't actually make it a flaw.

i know it's a tough one to wrap your head around, but just because you don't like something doesn't make it objectively bad.

but i'm not exactly expecting you to be able to advance the discussion, kloe. you kinda just poke in when others are talking for loose attention. sorry to have given it to you.

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Punished_Blinx
03/02/23 9:56:12 PM
#393:


Is the bad optimization for all of their games also intended?

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Fluttershy
03/02/23 9:57:12 PM
#394:


game design and optimization are on different strata. be less desperate with your gotchas.

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Kloe_Rinz
03/02/23 10:02:24 PM
#395:


Fluttershy posted...
and you've already been told that you not liking it doesn't actually make it a flaw.

i know it's a tough one to wrap your head around, but just because you don't like something doesn't make it objectively bad.

but i'm not exactly expecting you to be able to advance the discussion, kloe. you kinda just poke in when others are talking for loose attention. sorry to have given it to you.
theres no other conclusion to reach about your posts other than youre trolling. Nobody is going to look at a basic feature like pausing and think that its not a flaw if the game is missing it. Youre just being a contrarian
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Punished_Blinx
03/02/23 10:13:59 PM
#396:


Fluttershy posted...
game design and optimization are on different strata. be less desperate with your gotchas.

I think figuring out how to implement pause for different online states in a specific game is a type of optimization that From Software do not bother with.

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hockeybub89
03/02/23 10:16:48 PM
#397:


Critics and anyone who has ever reviewed a piece of media are shook. Who knew they were being entitled by criticizing artistic choices? Maybe they should make their own media if they're so perfect and knowledgeable. There is no such thing as poor design or flaws, only conscious design you disagree with.

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Fluttershy
03/02/23 10:17:08 PM
#398:


I think figuring out how to implement pause for different online states in a specific game is a type of optimization

that's fine. they don't see it that way, so commentary like that doesn't really amount to much, but good on you for putting it in a post.

also holy shit lmao all these sealions.

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hockeybub89
03/02/23 10:19:27 PM
#399:


And "they haven't changed it in this long" isn't actually defense either. I'm a gigantic GTA fan and it's one of the most successful franchises in human history. You know what? Tapping X to run is still fucking bullshit and they should stop it. It's bad game design.

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hockeybub89
03/02/23 10:22:00 PM
#400:


Fluttershy posted...
I think figuring out how to implement pause for different online states in a specific game is a type of optimization

that's fine. they don't see it that way, so commentary like that doesn't really amount to much, but good on you for putting it in a post.

also holy shit lmao all these sealions.
It's ok, bro. Miyazaki is only human. He can make bad decisions and ignore small non-gameplay things that every single game in the last 30 years should have.

Do you truly think there is no such thing as bad design in video games? If it isn't. bug or glitch, it was designed and therefore above reproach? Love every bit of every video game or don't play them? All games matter?

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