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FoolFantastic 08/14/22 11:33:02 AM #1: |
We are now ranking albums #51-75 from the Rank the Tracks project - you do not need to have actually participated there to submit a list here. Additionally, there is no need to listen to every single album. However, I use a win-loss formula to calculate the results, meaning score is determined by the winner of every potential individual pairing. As such, each additional album you rank means participation in an ever-growing number of matches. For example, with only 2 albums you would vote in exactly 1 match between those two. 3 albums, 3 matches - 4 albums, 6 matches - 5 albums, 10 matches, and so on. So, you do not have to rank everything, but your influence over the results increases massively with each additional album. You can either post your list in this topic or private message me. If you comment on the albums, I will include those in the final results. The deadline for submissions will be end of day September 16, but I will also extend the deadline if needed - I would rather have more participants. You can see previous results here: https://board8.fandom.com/wiki/Rank_the_Albums Albums #51-75, sorted by artist: Avenged Sevenfold - Avenged Sevenfold The Beatles - Rubber Soul Black Marble - It's Immaterial blink-182 - Enema of the State Phil Collins - Face Value The Cranberries - No Need to Argue Dream Theater - Images and Words Eagles - Hotel California Faith No More - Angel Dust Peter Gabriel - So Guns n Roses - Appetite for Destruction Japanese Breakfast - Jubilee Linkin Park - Hybrid Theory Love - Forever Changes Metallica - Master of Puppets Miracle Musical - Hawaii: Part II Mos Def - Black on Both Sides Opeth - Damnation Portishead - Third Sunspot - Singularity Taylor Swift - Folklore System of a Down - Toxicity VAST - Visual Audio Sensory Theater Jack White - Fear of the Dawn The White Stripes - Elephant Let me know if you have any questions. --- My top 100 games (with write-ups): https://foolfantastic.com/top-100-video-games-project/ Top 250 songs: https://foolfantastic.com/3290-2/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FoolFantastic 08/14/22 11:45:24 AM #2: |
Here's my own ranking; I will write comments as I reveal the results. The number in parentheses is either my all-time rank when I last updated it in January or a score out of 10. Any score above 8 means it is poised to enter my top 1500 albums next update. Jubilee, Angel Dust, and Black on Both Sides have all made notable jumps since my last all-time update, while Images and Words and Face Value both became new favorites. Love - Forever Changes (#16) Metallica - Master of Puppets (#105) Portishead - Third (#122) The White Stripes - Elephant (#208) Japanese Breakfast - Jubilee (#391) The Beatles - Rubber Soul (#363) Faith No More - Angel Dust (9.1/10 - was 7.8/10 before relisten) Mos Def - Black on Both Sides (#649) Taylor Swift - Folklore (#625) Peter Gabriel - So (#678) Eagles - Hotel California (#1011) Guns n Roses - Appetite for Destruction (#1037) System of a Down - Toxicity (#1086) Dream Theater - Images and Words (8.3/10) Phil Collins - Face Value (8.1/10) blink-182 - Enema of the State (7.9/10) Linkin Park - Hybrid Theory (7.5/10) Opeth - Damnation (7.5/10) The Cranberries - No Need to Argue (7.3/10) Jack White - Fear of the Dawn (7.1/10) Black Marble - It's Immaterial (sub-7/10) Miracle Musical - Hawaii: Part II (sub-7/10) Sunspot - Singularity (sub-7/10) VAST - Visual Audio Sensory Theater (sub-7/10) Avenged Sevenfold - Avenged Sevenfold (sub-7/10) --- My top 100 games (with write-ups): https://foolfantastic.com/top-100-video-games-project/ Top 250 songs: https://foolfantastic.com/3290-2/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlueCrystalTear 08/14/22 12:59:19 PM #3: |
tagging this, will prob have my rankings up sooner as opposed to later since I only gotta listen to a few I missed out on for one reason or another. Much of this is pretty straightforward for me. Already know my #1 - and it's not even one of the two I nominated. (I think it should be pretty obvious, or at least one of two choices >_>) --- [This post adds nothing to the discussion but for whatever reason I felt the need to say it anyway.] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Johnbobb 08/14/22 2:56:36 PM #4: |
Tag I missed a couple weeks in this grouping, but hopefully I can get at least a few of those listened to --- Khal Kirby, warlord of the Super Star Khalasar PSN/Steam: CheddarBBQ https://goo.gl/Diw2hs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FoolFantastic 08/15/22 2:01:28 PM #5: |
up --- My top 100 games (with write-ups): https://foolfantastic.com/top-100-video-games-project/ Top 250 songs: https://foolfantastic.com/3290-2/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FoolFantastic 08/16/22 12:43:19 PM #6: |
up --- My top 100 games (with write-ups): https://foolfantastic.com/top-100-video-games-project/ Top 250 songs: https://foolfantastic.com/3290-2/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MetalmindStats 08/16/22 6:32:27 PM #7: |
I'm working on my relistens and write-ups - might not be able to make the deadline as it stands, with only one album down so far, but still. --- "I believe in a universe that doesn't care and people who do." pronouns: she/her or they/them | never knows what to say ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlueCrystalTear 08/17/22 10:45:11 AM #8: |
These past few days, I went and gave a dip into the five albums I didn't listen to for this in any capacity (mostly because I was busy). Two of them I could not get through, two of them were 35 minutes a pop, and the other was... very "other" - and that's why it was such a short turnaround! I didn't feel I needed to relisten to everything, personally. I did have to play a few songs to jog my memory about a few of the others, the ones I was like "I remember feeling _ but don't recall why..." The bottom three was as easy as the top four. The top four have been ones I've enjoyed for a long time, and the bottom three were the only ones I couldn't get through entirely (#23 being a "not my thing" more than anything). Everything else in between is interchangeable within its tier. TIER 1: Beyond fucking awesome (1) TIER 2: Very much awesome (2-6) TIER 3: Pretty great (7-12) TIER 4: Good, not great (13-17) TIER 5: Mixed bags (18-20) TIER 6: Ehhh (21-23) TIER 7: I need ibuprofen (24-25)
I think I'm happy with this, but I intend to come back before deadline to re-rank things and compare against this list. I will let you know the results of that. A couple weeks of not thinking about this will purge it from my head, allowing me a fresh perspective. --- [This post adds nothing to the discussion but for whatever reason I felt the need to say it anyway.] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FoolFantastic 08/18/22 9:27:49 AM #9: |
Been running an all-time artist poll on another site, which turns out is a lot of work. 60 people have submitted lists for it with 50-250 artists ranked. --- My top 100 games (with write-ups): https://foolfantastic.com/top-100-video-games-project/ Top 250 songs: https://foolfantastic.com/3290-2/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Seanchan 08/18/22 1:19:33 PM #10: |
FoolFantastic posted... Been running an all-time artist poll on another site, which turns out is a lot of work. 60 people have submitted lists for it with 50-250 artists ranked. Good god! I hope you found a way to automate the win/lose matchup concept. --- "That was unnecessarily dramatic". - NY Mets motto (courtesy of InnerTubeHero) Congratulations to azuarc, the guru of gurus and winner of GotD 2020! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FoolFantastic 08/18/22 1:31:40 PM #11: |
Seanchan posted... Good god! I hope you found a way to automate the win/lose matchup concept. The artist list is luckily a straight poll. The main issue there is combining all the lists together - making sure all the votes for The Beatles end up on the same line, and also making sure there aren't any stray 'Beatles' or 'Beatles, The' votes in addition to 'The Beatles' votes. There's also a few fun cases like Antnio Carlos Jobim who is sometimes called Tom Jobim. Which, I'm luckily beyond that point - I'm now on the 'finding images and editing them into a consistent size for a proper presentation' step. --- My top 100 games (with write-ups): https://foolfantastic.com/top-100-video-games-project/ Top 250 songs: https://foolfantastic.com/3290-2/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FoolFantastic 08/20/22 1:54:15 AM #12: |
bump --- My top 100 games (with write-ups): https://foolfantastic.com/top-100-video-games-project/ Top 250 songs: https://foolfantastic.com/3290-2/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Raetsel_Lapin 08/20/22 5:30:53 PM #13: |
1.The Beatles - Rubber Soul 2.Peter Gabriel - So 3.Avenged Sevenfold - Avenged Sevenfold 4.Jack White - Fear of the Dawn 5.Linkin Park - Hybrid Theory 6.Taylor Swift - Folklore 7.Faith No More - Angel Dust 8.Phil Collins - Face Value 9.The Cranberries - No Need to Argue 10.Japanese Breakfast - Jubilee 11.Sunspot - Singularity 12.Black Marble - It's Immaterial 13.Guns n Roses - Appetite for Destruction 14.Eagles - Hotel California 15.Miracle Musical - Hawaii: Part II 16.The White Stripes - Elephant 17.Opeth - Damnation 18.Mos Def - Black on Both Sides 19.blink-182 - Enema of the State 20.Dream Theater - Images and Words 21.Portishead - Third 22.VAST - Visual Audio Sensory Theater 23.Love - Forever Changes 24.Metallica - Master of Puppets 25.System of a Down - Toxicity --- I'm not who you think I am And even if I thought you'd known, I never would have told you so ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MetalmindStats 08/21/22 5:56:07 PM #14: |
20% bump. --- "I believe in a universe that doesn't care and people who do." pronouns: she/her or they/them | never knows what to say ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FoolFantastic 08/22/22 2:25:31 PM #15: |
bump --- My top 100 games (with write-ups): https://foolfantastic.com/top-100-video-games-project/ Top 250 songs: https://foolfantastic.com/3290-2/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Fluttershy_Pony 08/24/22 11:10:11 AM #16: |
I should probably bump this too... --- A not very secret alt account for when Raetsel wants to be a pony ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FoolFantastic 08/25/22 3:53:21 PM #17: |
up --- My top 100 games (with write-ups): https://foolfantastic.com/top-100-video-games-project/ Top 250 songs: https://foolfantastic.com/3290-2/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FoolFantastic 08/27/22 11:31:14 AM #18: |
bump --- My top 100 games (with write-ups): https://foolfantastic.com/top-100-video-games-project/ Top 250 songs: https://foolfantastic.com/3290-2/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FoolFantastic 08/28/22 9:30:18 AM #19: |
up --- My top 100 games (with write-ups): https://foolfantastic.com/top-100-video-games-project/ Top 250 songs: https://foolfantastic.com/3290-2/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Fluttershy_Pony 08/29/22 7:55:12 AM #20: |
And also bump. --- A not very secret alt account for when Raetsel wants to be a pony ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MetalmindStats 08/29/22 11:37:45 PM #21: |
Halfway bump. I've found these relistens very helpful for collecting my thoughts thus far, though the latest album might be a challenge. --- "I believe in a universe that doesn't care and people who do." pronouns: she/her or they/them | never knows what to say ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FoolFantastic 09/01/22 9:44:38 AM #22: |
bump --- My top 100 games (with write-ups): https://foolfantastic.com/top-100-video-games-project/ Top 250 songs: https://foolfantastic.com/3290-2/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FoolFantastic 09/02/22 12:49:07 PM #23: |
up --- My top 100 games (with write-ups): https://foolfantastic.com/top-100-video-games-project/ Top 250 songs: https://foolfantastic.com/3290-2/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlueCrystalTear 09/02/22 1:05:11 PM #24: |
Just did a quick re-ranking to check against my previous. The top 4 were exactly the same, 5-8 where transposed (those four are pretty interchangeable, as they're all in the same tier of great), 9-11 were the same way, and everything else was pretty much identical, save for one pair being flipped because I didn't remember which one was which. I am happy with my above ranking. Now let's get some more in the next two weeks! Take your time, of course. --- [This post adds nothing to the discussion but for whatever reason I felt the need to say it anyway.] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FoolFantastic 09/05/22 4:05:33 PM #25: |
Bump --- My top 100 games (with write-ups): https://foolfantastic.com/top-100-video-games-project/ Top 250 songs: https://foolfantastic.com/3290-2/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MetalmindStats 09/07/22 12:05:00 AM #26: |
80% bump. --- "I believe in a universe that doesn't care and people who do." pronouns: she/her or they/them | never knows what to say ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LiquidOshawott 09/07/22 12:08:34 AM #27: |
9.The Cranberries - No Need to Argue 11.Sunspot - Singularity 12.Black Marble - It's Immaterial 15.Miracle Musical - Hawaii: Part II 22.VAST - Visual Audio Sensory Theater Small list that I gotta remember what I like from, everything else I am pretty familiar with --- I live on, THROUGH THIS SEASHELL! VeryInsane's mobile account ... Copied to Clipboard!
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neonreaper 09/07/22 11:36:14 AM #28: |
Faith No More - Angel Dust Opeth - Damnation Guns n Roses - Appetite for Destruction Metallica - Master of Puppets Dream Theater - Images and Words Linkin Park - Hybrid Theory System of a Down - Toxicity Eagles - Hotel California The Cranberries - No Need to Argue Love - Forever Changes Phil Collins - Face Value The Beatles - Rubber Soul Peter Gabriel - So Avenged Sevenfold - Avenged Sevenfold Taylor Swift - Folklore Jack White - Fear of the Dawn The White Stripes - Elephant Mos Def - Black on Both Sides Japanese Breakfast - Jubilee Black Marble - It's Immaterial Miracle Musical - Hawaii: Part II blink-182 - Enema of the State Sunspot - Singularity VAST - Visual Audio Sensory Theater Portishead - Third #1 and #2 were easy. 3-5 feel impossible to rank. 6-9 (nu metal, eagles, cranberries) were fairly easy. After that it's 8 albums that could float around my rankings if I did this same list in a year. Then Mos Def which I recognize as being very good. After that is the stuff I don't think I cared about a whole lot. Japanese Breakfast is possibly the only one from this part of the list that I felt confident in ranking at all. --- Donny: Are they gonna hurt us, Walter? Walter: No, Donny. These men are cowards. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FoolFantastic 09/08/22 10:43:49 AM #29: |
up --- My top 100 games (with write-ups): https://foolfantastic.com/top-100-video-games-project/ Top 250 songs: https://foolfantastic.com/3290-2/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FoolFantastic 09/09/22 10:14:46 AM #30: |
It's funny comparing the reactions to Portishead here and on the music-dedicated forum I frequent. There, we voted Third our #179 favorite album ever and the band itself #62 on the all-time artist poll I am currently hosting. (Their debut, Dummy, sits at #35, which I maybe should have nominated instead as a more accessible work - but Third also dominated its vote that week despite only being my third choice, so I'm thinking there are plenty of Portishead fans here who simply aren't actually participating in these polls) --- My top 100 games (with write-ups): https://foolfantastic.com/top-100-video-games-project/ Top 250 songs: https://foolfantastic.com/3290-2/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Seanchan 09/09/22 10:47:13 AM #31: |
FoolFantastic posted... It's funny comparing the reactions to Portishead here and on the music-dedicated forum I frequent. There, we voted Third our #179 favorite album ever and the band itself #62 on the all-time artist poll I am currently hosting. Youre not gonna like my ranking of it (but you probably already figured that) Ive had my ranking done for a while but I wanted to do some spot listens just to confirm and jog my memory so I could write a sentence or two. --- "That was unnecessarily dramatic". - NY Mets motto (courtesy of InnerTubeHero) Congratulations to azuarc, the guru of gurus and winner of GotD 2020! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FoolFantastic 09/09/22 10:50:02 AM #32: |
Seanchan posted... Youre not gonna like my ranking of it (but you probably already figured that) Yeah, I was including your inevitable last place vote in my statement. It's especially weird to me here, on a video game forum, where people have probably had greater exposure to purely atmospheric music. --- My top 100 games (with write-ups): https://foolfantastic.com/top-100-video-games-project/ Top 250 songs: https://foolfantastic.com/3290-2/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlueCrystalTear 09/09/22 10:58:33 AM #33: |
FoolFantastic posted... Yeah, I was including your inevitable last place vote in my statement.I like what Third does much of the time, but there are also things that are just strange about it in a contextless void. The atmospheric music often comes with an actual atmosphere and an album like that doesn't have that luxury. Third is the kind of album you either love or hate. In my case, it's both. And that's why it's in the middle of my list. That and the fact that I can't just listen to it any time and love it like I can several of those above it. --- [This post adds nothing to the discussion but for whatever reason I felt the need to say it anyway.] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FoolFantastic 09/09/22 11:11:35 AM #34: |
I'm really curious how my next batch of albums will go over - I plan to nominated my three favorite albums of 2022, but this year has kind of gotten out of hand and all three are rather...extreme. I don't even know how to describe my #1 for the year - I've listened to it several times and words fail me on so many levels to define the genre or even the emotions it makes me feel. It holds a 92 on Metacritic and has almost cracked the all-time top 100 on Rate Your Music, and it feels like the type of new sound that could grow to dominate this decade - but, boy, is it an overwhelming experience. The only solace is that it is going for more uplifting emotions (I think??) than Silent Shout and Third. My #3 is labelled 'brutal-prog' on RYM, which is a genre label I've never seen before but feels apt. Just, imagine the most aggressive progressive music known to man. Neatly in the middle is an album consisting of rather accessible indie folk rock, except for the fact that it's an 80 minute, 20-track stab at making the next White Album (and I don't think others here are particular fans of indie folk based on the underperformance of Fleet Foxes). So, I feel doomed for another controversial love-it-or-hate-it split. --- My top 100 games (with write-ups): https://foolfantastic.com/top-100-video-games-project/ Top 250 songs: https://foolfantastic.com/3290-2/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Seanchan 09/09/22 2:37:42 PM #35: |
FoolFantastic posted... Yeah, I was including your inevitable last place vote in my statement. Well thats one of the reason I need to revisit a few of these again. Especially when my reaction to that one was SO negative. Love it or hate it is still good though. Sometimes you get a pleasant surprise. Im the week after you and will very likely be doing some nice upbeat pop-ish albums that will likely elicit more milquetoast reactions of like or dont like rather than love or hate. --- "That was unnecessarily dramatic". - NY Mets motto (courtesy of InnerTubeHero) Congratulations to azuarc, the guru of gurus and winner of GotD 2020! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MetalmindStats 09/09/22 10:59:04 PM #36: |
FoolFantastic posted... Yeah, I was including your inevitable last place vote in my statement.Were you also including my inevitable *first* place vote in your statement? >_> ...To be fair, I really don't know how obvious I've actually made that, but at any rate, I guess Johnbobb and VeryInsane will be the swing votes. I'm not even that big on VGM, either! I take it the music forum vote you referenced is comprised of something like top-ten lists, though? If so, that format naturally favors an album as divisive as Third relative to ours, even if a majority of its listeners overall are likely on the favorable side of that divide. Also, your three favorite albums of 2022 all sound compelling to me, and I'm already looking forward to that slate! --- "I believe in a universe that doesn't care and people who do." pronouns: she/her or they/them | never knows what to say ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FoolFantastic 09/09/22 11:29:23 PM #37: |
To be honest, I nominated Third with the idea of it being universally beloved. I have never seen anyone express dislike for it until our poll - I had no idea it would be so controversial here! So, yes, the forum poll I mentioned is just top 500 lists being combined, but it's also rather high on RYM which is a direct 5-star rating scale. --- My top 100 games (with write-ups): https://foolfantastic.com/top-100-video-games-project/ Top 250 songs: https://foolfantastic.com/3290-2/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MetalmindStats 09/10/22 3:39:59 AM #38: |
MetalmindStats posted... but at any rate, I guess Johnbobb and VeryInsane will be the swing votes.Wow, I completely forgot HBJDubs, I'm sorry. Hopefully Jesse_Custer and/or Snake5555555555 will participate too. Anyways, I see Third's Rate Your Music rating distribution appears to be normal too, so point taken. I thought Third was obviously divisive - even if just on account of a small yet vocal minority - given factors such as our reactions and its deliberately unusual sound in general, but I guess not. I had misremembered Silent Shout being much more controversial for us than it actually was, which doesn't help matters, since I tend to mentally associate the two albums with each other. --- "I believe in a universe that doesn't care and people who do." pronouns: she/her or they/them | never knows what to say ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Snake5555555555 09/12/22 12:43:41 AM #39: |
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FoolFantastic 09/13/22 2:29:34 PM #40: |
just a few days left --- My top 100 games (with write-ups): https://foolfantastic.com/top-100-video-games-project/ Top 250 songs: https://foolfantastic.com/3290-2/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Johnbobb 09/13/22 8:06:28 PM #41: |
Didn't listen: Faith No More - Angel Dust Love - Forever Changes vague tier: personal favorites (1-4) excellent albums that are famous for a reason (5-8) could become personal favorites over time (9-10) very good (11-15) solid but forgettable (16-20) not really my thing (21-23) nothing in this section was outright bad though! unlike Vol. 1 and 2 which both had at least 1 or 2 duds --- Khal Kirby, warlord of the Super Star Khalasar PSN/Steam: CheddarBBQ https://goo.gl/Diw2hs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FoolFantastic 09/14/22 8:43:00 AM #42: |
A couple more days --- My top 100 games (with write-ups): https://foolfantastic.com/top-100-video-games-project/ Top 250 songs: https://foolfantastic.com/3290-2/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FoolFantastic 09/15/22 12:03:31 PM #43: |
time is almost up - though, as I said in the first post, just let me know if you need an extension. I would much rather have more votes than be timely, especially with the voting format I use for this --- My top 100 games (with write-ups): https://foolfantastic.com/top-100-video-games-project/ Top 250 songs: https://foolfantastic.com/3290-2/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LiquidOshawott 09/15/22 1:03:29 PM #44: |
I would like one until the 18th if possible --- I live on, THROUGH THIS SEASHELL! VeryInsane's mobile account ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FoolFantastic 09/15/22 4:07:53 PM #45: |
LiquidOshawott posted... I would like one until the 18th if possible Sure thing - though I might as well say September 23 at that point (since I want to do the calculating on a Saturday morning) --- My top 100 games (with write-ups): https://foolfantastic.com/top-100-video-games-project/ Top 250 songs: https://foolfantastic.com/3290-2/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Seanchan 09/15/22 11:11:30 PM #46: |
Ran across this randomly tonight: https://consequence.net/2022/09/best-albums-all-time-list/ By my count, we've covered 16 of the top 100 and 4 of the top 10. --- "That was unnecessarily dramatic". - NY Mets motto (courtesy of InnerTubeHero) Congratulations to azuarc, the guru of gurus and winner of GotD 2020! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MetalmindStats 09/16/22 6:13:43 AM #47: |
I have five write-ups left to finish before I post my ranking, most of which I feel warrant quite a bit of improvement. As such, I could post with comments by the end of the day tomorrow, but this delay should help me too. --- "I believe in a universe that doesn't care and people who do." pronouns: she/her or they/them | never knows what to say ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Seanchan 09/16/22 4:30:09 PM #48: |
I've started on my "spot" listens and write ups. Not sure I'll finish today but I guess I have more time now! I want to get this finished by the end of the weekend at the absolute latest though. --- "That was unnecessarily dramatic". - NY Mets motto (courtesy of InnerTubeHero) Congratulations to azuarc, the guru of gurus and winner of GotD 2020! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HBJDubs 09/17/22 1:05:18 AM #49: |
My plan is to have the list finished by end of Sunday --- Save in the name of true love ~Project 1000~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Seanchan 09/17/22 10:27:58 PM #50: |
On track to submit tomorrow. Just a few more albums to write up. Not that these write ups are particularly long or insightful, but it's nice to jog the memory. --- "That was unnecessarily dramatic". - NY Mets motto (courtesy of InnerTubeHero) Congratulations to azuarc, the guru of gurus and winner of GotD 2020! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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